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Posted by: vorpal.1497

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I’ve only played half the classes so far, but the ones I’ve played I have put quite a bit of time into. Still, most of that is into warrior, mostly because it’s the underdog and the fun of trying to make a broken thing work.

During discussions where people are like, “X class is the best roamer, if you want burst bring Y, for home/mid defense pick two of Z class” and warrior is never in these lists and rightly so (well warrior is a good roamer, but it requires an amazing effort from a good warrior to wrest that side-point-defender who is probably themselves just casually mashing their abilities, and may themselves be average to below average at their class).

Anyway, this isn’t about what is wrong with warrior, but something I’ve noticed that it does better than any of the other classes I’ve played… a lot better. And that is the despised mechanic of Downed State. I dont mean warrior’s Downed State itself, but the dynamic of Downed State in the context of team fights. Warrior has a particular knack for controlling the flow of who gets rezzed and who doesn’t, IMO. If a warrior can hold onto some clutch abilities until someone goes down, he can swing the direction of the team fight in his favor.

Think of downed enemies as a sort of bait… keep your eye on them, and when someone goes in for the rez, pop your stability and start cleaving the hell out of them with greatsword, axe, or to a lesser extent sword. All of our stances are useful in this situation, but I just rely on stability stance personally. If you’re a longbow devotee, then this is even better with your cleaves hitting both targets and the fire field going. Stomp, as of this patch, is also really awesome in this role now – if your fire field is going, the physical damage ticks will count towards removing blind, making Stomp that much more likely to launch those kittens in different directions/off the node. So often you can turn one downed player into two or even three killed players if you can hold onto your abilities until the right moment, with this philosophy of controlling Downed State. And there are more ability/weapon combos that facilitate this “role”, like hard CC type stuff.. but I find those weapons personally to be too buggy/clunky at the moment.

The same abilities and weapons that are good at baiting and punishing enemies, are good at getting friendlies up. If you suspect a thief is stomping invis, or someone is stability stomping, just fire field > cleave the area around your buddy, then pop one or more stances/CC before going in to the actual friendly rez. You may not save him, but you’ve severely punished and drawn out stun breakers of the enemies.

Of the classes I’ve played, only thief approaches the capability of controlling other peoples’ Downed State, but he’ll get severely punished if he tries and the opposing team aren’t kittened. I admit I haven’t played Guardian yet, which might be good at it?, although they’re the ones I punish the most when they think they can rez their buddies. In general, all the classes I’ve played besides warrior, feel extremely vulnerable when stomping or friendly rezzing, and I think this Downed State control gameplay might be ANet’s idea of warrior’s role in sPvP and probably the reason why they won’t take Downed State (which everyone hates) out of this game mode.

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Posted by: Viking Jorun.5413

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You sound like an elementalist! Saying warriors are good in sPvP, and giving explicit supporting evidence in a generic scenario that most every forum warrior complains about. I call sorcery!

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Posted by: vorpal.1497

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Actually I dont think warriors are good in sPvP in a general sense. But this one aspect of heavily punishing enemies trying to rez, and getting your own members up, is something my warrior outperforms any of the other classes I’ve played so far.

So what I am suggesting is a sort of philosophy of how to play in the current state of things of; go to the main teamfight, play conservatively with regards to cooldowns/keep your distance (like a thief basically, dont brawl), then when someone goes down bring the pain like an angry bull.

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Posted by: Enmity.3428

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Dying is what sPvP Warriors do best.

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Posted by: Viking Jorun.5413

Viking Jorun.5413

Actually I dont think warriors are good in sPvP in a general sense. But this one aspect of heavily punishing enemies trying to rez, and getting your own members up, is something my warrior outperforms any of the other classes I’ve played so far.

So what I am suggesting is a sort of philosophy of how to play in the current state of things of; go to the main teamfight, play conservatively with regards to cooldowns/keep your distance (like a thief basically, dont brawl), then when someone goes down bring the pain like an angry bull.

That’s definitely one way to do it. I personally have my own build that I developed specifically to keep me in the fight, even if it’s 5v1. I can preach shout heals all day, but most warriors won’t listen. I do agree that, if you’re playing a DPS build it’s a necessity for any class to play conservatively like a thief, and most warriors don’t understand that. When in melee you want to stay behind your opponent at all times, or he’s going to lock you down.

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Posted by: SmoothHussler.6387

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Actually I dont think warriors are good in sPvP in a general sense. But this one aspect of heavily punishing enemies trying to rez, and getting your own members up, is something my warrior outperforms any of the other classes I’ve played so far.

You’ve never played engineer then.

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Posted by: vorpal.1497

vorpal.1497

You would be correct ;-P

Warrior, Necro, Mesmer, Thief, Ranger I’ve spent considerable time with.

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Posted by: Lighter.5631

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do best at increasing your skill level? 90% of my matches played with warrior. just made a necro and played for 3 hour, people at the same rank or higher started to calling me good and pain in the kitten when not in their team..never felt like actually being in a team and helping a team that much before…

what are you doing anet!

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Posted by: Orangensaft.7139

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Dying is what sPvP Warriors do best.

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in every topic you only post bad things about a warrior and i agree it is not the best pvp class and that there are quite some things that could need change but you just exaggerate in every post…

you have to be the worst warrior in the game if you never win and only die (as the first one in your team)

from all your comments i have seen only 1 with constructive criticism

the rest is just brainless hate and exaggeration

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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

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dying could be one of them ... lol ... but nah, if specced, Warriors can chain CC better than any other class ... which is obviously useless during stability and blinds.

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Posted by: Enmity.3428

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Dying is what sPvP Warriors do best.

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in every topic you only post bad things about a warrior and i agree it is not the best pvp class and that there are quite some things that could need change but you just exaggerate in every post…

you have to be the worst warrior in the game if you never win and only die (as the first one in your team)

from all your comments i have seen only 1 with constructive criticism

the rest is just brainless hate and exaggeration

Clearly my remark was tongue-in-cheek… but it has some truth in it, doesn’t it?

Perhaps I should post only good, positive things about the Warrior and ignore how bad the class actually is. If no one’s complaining, the class must be fine as it is, right?

Maybe I am the worst Warrior in the game, but where have I said that I never win and only die? (incidentally, even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.) It’s amusing how you accuse me of exaggerating then go on to exaggerate to make your own point.

As for “constructive criticism” – tell me again how the countless good ideas and suggestions the community have made over the last few months have been taken on board by the Developers who have in turn used them to improve the Warrior. Oh that’s right, they haven’t. What value does all this constructive criticism have when in the end the Developers choose to ignore it?

They’ve had ten months to fix the class and they have abjectly failed. But you carry on making positive, constructive posts if that’s what you want to do; carry on being happy with any scraps you’re thrown; carry on meekly accepting “a step in the right direction” month after month as the other classes actually grow in power. You do that, I won’t. I will simply call it as I see it – and yet through all of my “brainless hate and exaggeration,” the fact remains that Warriors are still the worst class in PvP. Full stop.

But just for you, I’ll try once again; what do Warriors do best in sPvP? Practically nothing that another class can’t do better.

How’s that?

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Posted by: stof.9341

stof.9341

The only thing Warriors do that I didn’t really see anyone else do is chain stun/knockdown someone to death.

If you can catch them at all, aren’t blind yourself, they are not under stability and out of stun break CDs, and you got some DPS assist to burn their tankyness.

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Posted by: Enmity.3428

Enmity.3428

The only thing Warriors do that I didn’t really see anyone else do is chain stun/knockdown someone to death.

If you can catch them at all, aren’t blind yourself, they are not under stability and out of stun break CDs, and you got some DPS assist to burn their tankyness.

1. If you can catch them.
2. If you haven’t been blinded.
3. If they haven’t got stability.
4. If they’re out of stun breaks.
5. If you have help.

In other words, only if the stars align can Warriors do something better than any other class. Yeah, that sounds about right.

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Posted by: Kazuno.9218

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I run a Zerker CC build in spvp and i love it, all the stun time + mace/shield defense skill give me a quite good sustainability while i’m doing big chunk of damage with the CC chain. I feel that i can stand my ground against any class.
I’m enjoying it rather than my old terror necro, because it’s a very dynamic and rewarding playstyle.

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Posted by: stof.9341

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In other words, only if the stars align can Warriors do something better than any other class. Yeah, that sounds about right.

Which is the reason why I like my warrior even if I lose SO much with it in sPvP. When the stars align, the joyful feelings you get for those kills are so great

Paradoxal I suppose.

In the mean time, to get my daily wins in a more timely maner I just switched to a condition necro I never played in PvP before and am having a lot of success with little effort.

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Posted by: redslion.9675

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30 points in tactics, superior rune of mercy =

Warrior is now an armored nurse.XD

However, you can’t take hold of the flow of battle through downed allies/enemies… if you are the first one to be downed.

Hundred Blades works when you are trying to prevent someone from ressing: if you it the ressed one, you deal more damage than the damage healed, nullifying the attempt and almost downing the resser. That won’t work when you are trying to save an ally from a stomp, unless you can down the stomper.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

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Posted by: Jzaku.9765

Jzaku.9765

I remember in Beta people were theorycrafting Warrior with Runes of Mercy and that Tactics trait calling it the “Jesus Warrior”.

I wish it was still possible to be optimistic.

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Posted by: PistolWhip.2697

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Teaching.

Warrior is a very clear cut class. It teaches you as a player how big or small some risks are and whether they’re worth it. They teach you how to manage your cool downs and teach you how punishing one mistake can be in a fight. They teach you when to dodge and how, and all the victories a warrior takes are ripped from the teeth of a fight where the warrior must watch carefully and counter everything in the best way they can for one mistake too many is certain death.

Warrior is a class many come to learn on, and a class many quit, because everything is far more viable in comparison to it at their roles in pvp, and they are generally a roadstop for players to harness their skill level.

In short, it teaches you how to play skillfully or die is what it seems to be good for. But hey, for Anet a fixing buff isn’t tackling the actual issues with the warrior class but instead giving them more base hp in pvp… That was the dumbest idea to come out of the SoTG recently -_-

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Posted by: redslion.9675

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Teaching.

Warrior is a very clear cut class. It teaches you as a player how big or small some risks are and whether they’re worth it. They teach you how to manage your cool downs and teach you how punishing one mistake can be in a fight. They teach you when to dodge and how, and all the victories a warrior takes are ripped from the teeth of a fight where the warrior must watch carefully and counter everything in the best way they can for one mistake too many is certain death.

Warrior is a class many come to learn on, and a class many quit, because everything is far more viable in comparison to it at their roles in pvp, and they are generally a roadstop for players to harness their skill level.

In short, it teaches you how to play skillfully or die is what it seems to be good for. But hey, for Anet a fixing buff isn’t tackling the actual issues with the warrior class but instead giving them more base hp in pvp… That was the dumbest idea to come out of the SoTG recently -_-

Yeah, just don’t go 1v1 against some classes.

Let’s make an example: against some enemies, while you are busy avoiding their attacks, they’ll heal through all the damage you dealt to them. And will be ready to pressure you again if you try to push them.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

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Posted by: Copenhagen.7015

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Warrior has very good damage, CC, and mobility. Very few classes can run away like a Warrior can.

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Posted by: Daecollo.9578

Daecollo.9578

Dying.

They are not allowed in tournament play.

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Posted by: Lighter.5631

Lighter.5631

Dying is what sPvP Warriors do best.

Easily Killed Frequently.™

in every topic you only post bad things about a warrior and i agree it is not the best pvp class and that there are quite some things that could need change but you just exaggerate in every post…

you have to be the worst warrior in the game if you never win and only die (as the first one in your team)

from all your comments i have seen only 1 with constructive criticism

the rest is just brainless hate and exaggeration

Clearly my remark was tongue-in-cheek… but it has some truth in it, doesn’t it?

Perhaps I should post only good, positive things about the Warrior and ignore how bad the class actually is. If no one’s complaining, the class must be fine as it is, right?

Maybe I am the worst Warrior in the game, but where have I said that I never win and only die? (incidentally, even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.) It’s amusing how you accuse me of exaggerating then go on to exaggerate to make your own point.

As for “constructive criticism” – tell me again how the countless good ideas and suggestions the community have made over the last few months have been taken on board by the Developers who have in turn used them to improve the Warrior. Oh that’s right, they haven’t. What value does all this constructive criticism have when in the end the Developers choose to ignore it?

They’ve had ten months to fix the class and they have abjectly failed. But you carry on making positive, constructive posts if that’s what you want to do; carry on being happy with any scraps you’re thrown; carry on meekly accepting “a step in the right direction” month after month as the other classes actually grow in power. You do that, I won’t. I will simply call it as I see it – and yet through all of my “brainless hate and exaggeration,” the fact remains that Warriors are still the worst class in PvP. Full stop.

But just for you, I’ll try once again; what do Warriors do best in sPvP? Practically nothing that another class can’t do better.

How’s that?

woot, respect.

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Posted by: Fenrir.5493

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What does warrior do best (sPvP)?

Dying

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Posted by: JETWING.2759

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“I’m the best at what i do. And what i do best are…
Dye”

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Posted by: Phaeton.9582

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“I’m the best at what i do. And what i do best are…
Dye”

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Posted by: redslion.9675

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Well, warrior is the best suited class for being a warrior in any field.XD

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Posted by: VNMax.4927

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whenever i look at the warrior threads i always laugh my kitten off at how everyone keeps saying warrior is the worst class.

ive been playing ranger since beta’s

you want a crap proffesion , grab a ranger , warrior is by no means the worst class in pvp , ive been playing warrior now for the last month and pvp is so much more fun with warrior , the burst damage is just amazing and people can be downed in seconds.
you got enough mobility to catch up to anyone who is trying to run from you , holding points till reinforcements arrive is doable with shield and endure pain .

honestly i just love the warrior in pvp :p

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Posted by: redslion.9675

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Sure, people can be downed in seconds if they stand still. Or if you are in a big group fight.

Where were you until 6/25, with all those rangers and their pets? I considered the idea of asking ANet to make me a pet those days.XD

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Posted by: Ashanor.5319

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whenever i look at the warrior threads i always laugh my kitten off at how everyone keeps saying warrior is the worst class.

ive been playing ranger since beta’s

you want a crap proffesion , grab a ranger , warrior is by no means the worst class in pvp , ive been playing warrior now for the last month and pvp is so much more fun with warrior , the burst damage is just amazing and people can be downed in seconds.
you got enough mobility to catch up to anyone who is trying to run from you , holding points till reinforcements arrive is doable with shield and endure pain .

honestly i just love the warrior in pvp :p

Except BM Rangers are still one of the most powerful builds in the game, even post nerf.

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Posted by: Blackhat.4016

Blackhat.4016

Kill new players really fast and die rather fast against more experienced players. Warriors aren’t completely useless although some people think that way.

tPvP however is a different story…

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Posted by: lmaonade.9207

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they are good at bringing the cheese since they’ve got 100 blades worth of it.

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Posted by: Hell Avenger.7021

Hell Avenger.7021

AND Anet want to have a league for this game… While one of their classes are completely barred from the TPVP theme. Go figures. FIX your class balance before start whining about cannot start a league.

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Posted by: PistolWhip.2697

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whenever i look at the warrior threads i always laugh my kitten off at how everyone keeps saying warrior is the worst class.

ive been playing ranger since beta’s

you want a crap proffesion , grab a ranger , warrior is by no means the worst class in pvp , ive been playing warrior now for the last month and pvp is so much more fun with warrior , the burst damage is just amazing and people can be downed in seconds.
you got enough mobility to catch up to anyone who is trying to run from you , holding points till reinforcements arrive is doable with shield and endure pain .

honestly i just love the warrior in pvp :p

I always laugh when anyone says the ranger is bad at pvp.

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Posted by: Fenrir.5493

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whenever i look at the warrior threads i always laugh my kitten off at how everyone keeps saying warrior is the worst class.

ive been playing ranger since beta’s

you want a crap proffesion , grab a ranger , warrior is by no means the worst class in pvp , ive been playing warrior now for the last month and pvp is so much more fun with warrior , the burst damage is just amazing and people can be downed in seconds.
you got enough mobility to catch up to anyone who is trying to run from you , holding points till reinforcements arrive is doable with shield and endure pain .

honestly i just love the warrior in pvp :p

I always laugh when anyone says the ranger is bad at pvp.

Yes, its not like they can be immortal if they want.

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