Guild Wars 2

Title, just interested in the amount of people still playing power warr, be it core or berserker. Haven’t seen any since ranked started, I expected a few to still be playing that but from what I see it’s mostly a kittenload of random and the few not so random condi warrs everywhere.

Me. kitten condi, I hate the playstyle, it’s unrewarding and cheese mode. Closest I’ll get to touching a LB is in a LB/GS power setup.

POWER 4 LYFE

aaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

my first matches in S3 were yesterday and i was testing Condi War. Its strong but less fun than Power War. I will probably test power war for a few matches (unranked of course)

power zerk is perfectly fine, you get better adrenaline maintenance, more burst up-time, and slightly better condition management if you trait it.
you can take eternal champion for anti CC
bloody roar for burst/100b securing
and traited berserk mode stun break which may help you free a utility slot for stun breaking

hells yeah! nothing like landing those gigantic crits and watching the enemies drop
highest damage i’ve ever done in Spvp was a 32k 100b

Still running GS / axe+shield. Its a blast.

It’s funny seeing all these meta condi warriors showing up out of nowhere. Some people will only play what class is meta at the moment. I have a friend who does that, irritating.

Furajir.3815:

Me. kitten condi, I hate the playstyle, it’s unrewarding and cheese mode. Closest I’ll get to touching a LB is in a LB/GS power setup.

POWER 4 LYFE

That’s what I’m running in wvw again, and having a blast with it too. The power buffs they give the bow really restored what the build lost when they changed how burning works. The guaranteed BP, AH, CI benefits are pretty rad too.

I wonder if it would work in pvp… haven’t tried it.

EDIT: To be clear, I’m referring to power gs/lb

WWWWWWWW.6742:

Still running GS / axe+shield. Its a blast.

It’s funny seeing all these meta condi warriors showing up out of nowhere. Some people will only play what class is meta at the moment. I have a friend who does that, irritating.

Exactly. Here I am crapping all over these “meta” warriors with their “meta” builds as power. Just laughing as smash brawler and CI negates their damage with zero power.

Welcome to the fun chumps.

Power Warrior is not optimal. The class is only viable at the moment because of conditions builds. Grats on being able to beat people worse then you. I could play spirit weapon Guardian and beat keyboard turners but why should I?

Well yes, I actually do believe there are some few people with self respect!

I have been focusing on Power, but I can’t deny that condi is better for the team overall. It’s a boring playstyle but power War is just lacking compared to other classes. While I lose almost no 1v1s on power I lack the AoE condi application Mace/Shield + LB or Sword/Torch brings.

We are unfortunately the Reapers of this season, less insane than last seasons’ Reaper but the core role is the same, spam out condis faster than any one player can deal with.

They need to give power builds some sort of support to be worth using over a Rev or Thief.

EDIT: I do wanna point out though that Power War tends to counter Condi War. I know my mace/Shield + GS Demolisher build makes them look pathetic.

I like my mace / shield // axe / axe Build a lot, at least in the low tier I am in right now. So much easier to win than with my mesmer right now
I won’t go into condi warrior yet, because that’s not what I’m used to. So I prefer playing a good power warrior, rather than a bad condi warrior (who I would be, especially at the beginning)!

I play both power and condi warrior.

Condi Warrior>Power Warrior in general. A good powerwarrior can stall a good condi warrior for support to come in. But if u runwanderes amulet. Your condi’s can stick past thier resistance uptime.

I do admit that condi warrior doesn’t feel very warrior like. But then again we shouldn’t completely subject a specilisation to the job of the core spec. it’s called a specialisation for a reason. Still it feels kinda weird.

Haha what kind of question is that? It’s our bread and butter! I run power and yes, the current so-called “flavor of the month” condi-warr, which is currently getting torn apart to shreds for being “OP”, whatever that means.

I run power as well but condi is way too strong to the point where it’s almost unkillable.

power warr > condi warr in a 1v1 situation. Smash Brawler + CI = too good, i have zero issues with condi warrs

Furajir.3815:

power warr > condi warr in a 1v1 situation. Smash Brawler + CI = too good, i have zero issues with condi warrs

Not for Mace+shield+sword torch when figthing an equally skilled player. Condi warriors that use wanders amulet can easily stack conditions past your resistance uptime. Also mace+shield+sword+torch do not have any less CC or blocks then the power warrior variants. Condi warriors can apply bleeds and confusion on interrupts and berserker mace burst with smash brawler has blind, bleed confusion cripple starting at 6 to all the way to 11 seconds without any runes or sigils that increase condi duration. that’s basic wander amulet.

I can see you having a point for the longbow version tough as it’s primary condition is burinig.

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Furajir.3815:

power warr > condi warr in a 1v1 situation. Smash Brawler + CI = too good, i have zero issues with condi warrs

Not for Mace+shield+sword torch when figthing an equally skilled player. Condi warriors that use wanders amulet can easily stack conditions past your resistance uptime. Also mace+shield+sword+torch do not have any less CC or blocks then the power warrior variants. Condi warriors can apply bleeds and confusion on interrupts and berserker mace burst with smash brawler has blind, bleed confusion cripple starting at 6 to all the way to 11 seconds without any runes or sigils that increase condi duration. that’s basic wander amulet.

I can see you having a point for the longbow version tough as it’s primary condition is burinig.

add to that RR + outrage and dead or alive( 30 sec cd), you get a beast.

So to put in in perspective, thats 5k hp from dead of alive every 30 sec which proc everytime they are against a power warrior.

+ 2.5 k Hp and 1000 toughness every 10 sec

+100% condi dmg.

I always chuckle over these anti-condi power zealots. Why wouldn’t you go Vipers with berserker spec. It’s a no-brainer.

As far as “self respect” goes I’ve got plenty. kitten the church of zerk gear in the kitten imho.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Furajir.3815:

power warr > condi warr in a 1v1 situation. Smash Brawler + CI = too good, i have zero issues with condi warrs

Not for Mace+shield+sword torch when figthing an equally skilled player. Condi warriors that use wanders amulet can easily stack conditions past your resistance uptime. Also mace+shield+sword+torch do not have any less CC or blocks then the power warrior variants. Condi warriors can apply bleeds and confusion on interrupts and berserker mace burst with smash brawler has blind, bleed confusion cripple starting at 6 to all the way to 11 seconds without any runes or sigils that increase condi duration. that’s basic wander amulet.

I can see you having a point for the longbow version tough as it’s primary condition is burinig.

add to that RR + outrage and dead or alive( 30 sec cd), you get a beast.

So to put in in perspective, thats 5k hp from dead of alive every 30 sec which proc everytime they are against a power warrior.

+ 2.5 k Hp and 1000 toughness every 10 sec

+100% condi dmg.

Yeah but rousing resiliance is not what condi warriors run. Atleast the mace shield sword torch variant. That’d be incredibly detrimental to our sustain. U’d get kittened by necro mancers and even conditon mallyx.

Not sure where u see that? Your build perhaps?

Well, anyone with experience knows that taking RR or CI depends on your camp. I am a power warrior, so most condi warrior i face take RR …

Fivedawgs.4267:

Well, anyone with experience knows that taking RR or CI depends on your camp. I am a power warrior, so most condi warrior i face take RR …

But that’s a non issue in pvp. Condi’s are pretty much part of the game. It has nothing to do with experience it simply makes little sense here. It’s not just the hard hitting conditions but soft lockdown conditions as well u’d be a sitting duck. Which condi warrior in pvp is gonna give up cleansing ire just because they face a power warrior? As if you are the single player they are gonna balance thier spec around?

U don’t even need rousing resilence AH is more then enough espically with wanderers amulet.

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Well, anyone with experience knows that taking RR or CI depends on your camp. I am a power warrior, so most condi warrior i face take RR …

But that’s a non issue in pvp. Condi’s are pretty much part of the game. It has nothing to do with experience it simply makes little sense here. It’s not just the hard hitting conditions but soft lockdown conditions as well u’d be a sitting duck. Which condi warrior in pvp is gonna give up cleansing ire just because they face a power warrior? As if you are the single player they are gonna balance thier spec around?

U don’t even need rousing resilence AH is more then enough espically with wanderers amulet.

Dude, which trait are you going to take?

2 revs 1 engi 1 ele 1 warrior ?? if you are a condi warrior?

or 2 rev 1 thief 2 Dh ? if you are a condi warrior

or 2 rev 1 warrior 2 DH??? if you are a condi warrior?

This isnt season 2, with necro roaming all over the place. What’s so hard to get???

Same here.

Most , i play together with my ele friend.
Power warri and ele = very strong combo

Power warri 4 ever

Furajir.3815:

power warr > condi warr in a 1v1 situation. Smash Brawler + CI = too good, i have zero issues with condi warrs

and condi wars have zero issues with all the classes that kick your butt aka daredevil etc. :P power war is pretty much condi war’s worst matchup.

I did and still have lots of fun.

Even if i play condi war, i will run sword, mace is too ugly to begin with.

I love my axe/shield/gs warrior…it is way more fast paced and fun to play then any condi build i have found (even though mace/lb is pretty fun) most people are expecting condi when they see a warrior now which i think makes it that much stronger

I’m running it. Build in sig.

Someone’s got to stand up to all those condi wars :D

I’ve also vs’d a few power wars. They weren’t inspiring :(

Ross Biddle.2367:

I’m running it. Build in sig.

Someone’s got to stand up to all those condi wars

I’ve also vs’d a few power wars. They weren’t inspiring

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Demozerker

Fyi this build has the same name as yours incase you want to change it

Chase.2798:

Ross Biddle.2367:

I’m running it. Build in sig.

Someone’s got to stand up to all those condi wars

I’ve also vs’d a few power wars. They weren’t inspiring

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Demozerker

Fyi this build has the same name as yours incase you want to change it

It’s ok. I don’t think metabattle is going to take off.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Chase.2798:

Ross Biddle.2367:

I’m running it. Build in sig.

Someone’s got to stand up to all those condi wars

I’ve also vs’d a few power wars. They weren’t inspiring

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Demozerker

Fyi this build has the same name as yours incase you want to change it

It’s ok. I don’t think metabattle is going to take off.

Also that setup is awful XD

Fivedawgs.4267:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Well, anyone with experience knows that taking RR or CI depends on your camp. I am a power warrior, so most condi warrior i face take RR …

But that’s a non issue in pvp. Condi’s are pretty much part of the game. It has nothing to do with experience it simply makes little sense here. It’s not just the hard hitting conditions but soft lockdown conditions as well u’d be a sitting duck. Which condi warrior in pvp is gonna give up cleansing ire just because they face a power warrior? As if you are the single player they are gonna balance thier spec around?

U don’t even need rousing resilence AH is more then enough espically with wanderers amulet.

Dude, which trait are you going to take?

2 revs 1 engi 1 ele 1 warrior ?? if you are a condi warrior?

or 2 rev 1 thief 2 Dh ? if you are a condi warrior

or 2 rev 1 warrior 2 DH??? if you are a condi warrior?

This isnt season 2, with necro roaming all over the place. What’s so hard to get???

But those comps are not quite representive of the comps u meet this season. That’s wishfull thinking. Power has not replaced conditions. Necromancers and Mesmers are still quite present. But yeah if u encountered pure power teams then yeah u can run rousing resiliance, the warriors might make me reconsider since they can be another warrior.

You’re right. This is season 3 In which u see Condi Mesmers, Other Condi Warriors, Condi Necro’s(1 to maby 2 max in a team) running around. Condi Mesmers are a guarantee to show up really and the other 2 have a high chance of appearing. Heck even elementalist can deal quite a bit of chill and burn that will chip away at you and in a teamfight when u get hardfocused. So even in those comps u proposed u still have to actually reconsider taking rousin resilence or Cleansing ire or not, there are things like lockdowns.

This discussions seems to happen every time there is some successful warrior build that does not use Power Greatsword in some way.

Strictly speaking from a sPvP perspective since anything works in WvW to some degree:
How do people build up all of this defensive, well sorry, arrogance to justify running the less powerful build?
I certainly take being an asset on my team, to allow them to win over my personal pride in playing something I consider more “skillful”.

I’m still playing a core gs/lb build, although condi warrior is definitely stronger. People run whatever they enjoy most, I just don’t find spamming primal bursts all that fun. With that said, I can’t really begrudge anyone for taking condizerker in a competitive setting, especially since warrior as a whole wasn’t particularly viable until the recent patches.

I’m mostly just sad that it looks like everyone’s getting on the nerf train for condi warrior now, and knowing ArenaNet’s balance team, whatever “fixes” they apply will probably quash core warrior back into oblivion too (RIP moa). Oh well, it’ll be fun being viable for one season…

I play power berzerker gs/axe/shield, played only 5 games(saphire), all wins and its working pretty well. Though my opponents were very bad tbh so not sure yet how well it works in higher tiers.

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Well, anyone with experience knows that taking RR or CI depends on your camp. I am a power warrior, so most condi warrior i face take RR …

But that’s a non issue in pvp. Condi’s are pretty much part of the game. It has nothing to do with experience it simply makes little sense here. It’s not just the hard hitting conditions but soft lockdown conditions as well u’d be a sitting duck. Which condi warrior in pvp is gonna give up cleansing ire just because they face a power warrior? As if you are the single player they are gonna balance thier spec around?

U don’t even need rousing resilence AH is more then enough espically with wanderers amulet.

Dude, which trait are you going to take?

2 revs 1 engi 1 ele 1 warrior ?? if you are a condi warrior?

or 2 rev 1 thief 2 Dh ? if you are a condi warrior

or 2 rev 1 warrior 2 DH??? if you are a condi warrior?

This isnt season 2, with necro roaming all over the place. What’s so hard to get???

But those comps are not quite representive of the comps u meet this season. That’s wishfull thinking. Power has not replaced conditions. Necromancers and Mesmers are still quite present. But yeah if u encountered pure power teams then yeah u can run rousing resiliance, the warriors might make me reconsider since they can be another warrior.

You’re right. This is season 3 In which u see Condi Mesmers, Other Condi Warriors, Condi Necro’s(1 to maby 2 max in a team) running around. Condi Mesmers are a guarantee to show up really and the other 2 have a high chance of appearing. Heck even elementalist can deal quite a bit of chill and burn that will chip away at you and in a teamfight when u get hardfocused. So even in those comps u proposed u still have to actually reconsider taking rousin resilence or Cleansing ire or not, there are things like lockdowns.

Tf is wrong with you? How is my experience which is back by data wishful thinking?? Wtf are you?? Amber? ? Why don’t you scan the pvp section and see what type of games most people are having. The 50/50 thread in pvp section, there is no condi class whatsoever on both camp???

Or do you even watch other players?? Shin, hibify the dude who optimized the mace shield sw torch condi build both uses RR.

Tf stop being narrow minded., calling someone anecdotal experience wishful thinking is rude kid, especially when you have nothing but ur anecdotal experience to back it.

Here are the post you should check:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/50-50-algo-promotes-mmr-tanking/first#post6164625

Fivedawgs.4267:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Well, anyone with experience knows that taking RR or CI depends on your camp. I am a power warrior, so most condi warrior i face take RR …

But that’s a non issue in pvp. Condi’s are pretty much part of the game. It has nothing to do with experience it simply makes little sense here. It’s not just the hard hitting conditions but soft lockdown conditions as well u’d be a sitting duck. Which condi warrior in pvp is gonna give up cleansing ire just because they face a power warrior? As if you are the single player they are gonna balance thier spec around?

U don’t even need rousing resilence AH is more then enough espically with wanderers amulet.

Dude, which trait are you going to take?

2 revs 1 engi 1 ele 1 warrior ?? if you are a condi warrior?

or 2 rev 1 thief 2 Dh ? if you are a condi warrior

or 2 rev 1 warrior 2 DH??? if you are a condi warrior?

This isnt season 2, with necro roaming all over the place. What’s so hard to get???

But those comps are not quite representive of the comps u meet this season. That’s wishfull thinking. Power has not replaced conditions. Necromancers and Mesmers are still quite present. But yeah if u encountered pure power teams then yeah u can run rousing resiliance, the warriors might make me reconsider since they can be another warrior.

You’re right. This is season 3 In which u see Condi Mesmers, Other Condi Warriors, Condi Necro’s(1 to maby 2 max in a team) running around. Condi Mesmers are a guarantee to show up really and the other 2 have a high chance of appearing. Heck even elementalist can deal quite a bit of chill and burn that will chip away at you and in a teamfight when u get hardfocused. So even in those comps u proposed u still have to actually reconsider taking rousin resilence or Cleansing ire or not, there are things like lockdowns.

Tf is wrong with you? How is my experience which is back by data wishful thinking?? Wtf are you?? Amber? ? Why don’t you scan the pvp section and see what type of games most people are having. The 50/50 thread in pvp section, there is no condi class whatsoever on both camp???

Or do you even watch other players?? Shin, hibify the dude who optimized the mace shield sw torch condi build both uses RR.

Tf stop being narrow minded., calling someone anecdotal experience wishful thinking is rude kid, especially when you have nothing but ur anecdotal experience to back it.

Here are the post you should check:

First of all, Don’t u kittening strawman me and berate me for bieng ’’rude’’ and get all uptity with me, based on your own failed reading comprehension. They are curently 3 condi builds that are kittening meta. With an added double melee condi berserker variation that is not meta in metabattle but doing quite well and can be argued to be meta. Condition builds are here. And no amount of ranting is gonna change that.

I’m calling things as I see it. I never denied your anedecotl experience rather i argue it’s not representive of the kittening league. Learn to kittening read. Next time act normal.

I tested the “demozerker” buid today. We won against premade that had necro, mesmer, ele, druid and dh or scrapper iirc. We had whatever, no thought up synergy or balance really. Granted, besides the mesmer, that gave me some trouble the team wasn’t awfully good.

Was more fun to play than the condi one’s. You can setup some insane bursts with powerwar and surprise ppl since it seems all are running the one of the current condi builds now. And I think that was what happened it that match also. I haven’t seen one power war so far and I’ve played about 100 games since tuesday.

I have 3 warriors pre-setup: 2 condi and the power one. So I can just relog if I wanna switch from condi to power depending on the enemy team.

I play condi warrior even though i don’t like. Last season i played my power warrior (Gunflame) and those filthy necros destroyed everything…. now it’s our season, let them burn!

BurrTheKing.8571:

EDIT: I do wanna point out though that Power War tends to counter Condi War. I know my mace/Shield + GS Demolisher build makes them look pathetic.

I wrote about this on Wednesday that i honestly feel Demolisher GS Axe/shield power war with pack runes will be the counter to Condi Wars in Season 3.

Spartacus.3192:

The problem i feel with the wanderer build now vs merc build before is that power damage is very low so if you are up against a class that has good condi cleanse/resistance then you’re almost worthless.

For eg. who do you think will win in a 1v1? This build vs a Power GS Axe/Shield War . The power war has the same trait setup so has great condi clear and resistance uptime BUT can do a huge amount of power damage against you while negating most of your damage. (i accept that pvp is not 1v1 so dont flame me. im just asking the question)

Using Pack Runes and a sigil of agility (swiftness/quickness one) you will have more run speed to help counter anyone who wants to kite you.

Sometimes (at least for soloQ) a good build may be one that counters the meta rather than the actual meta.

Yesterday i decided to test it vs my guildie who is a Warrior main forever, even in S1 and S2. Whereas i didnt touch Warrior in S1 and S2. So there is an experience level to take into account here.

I played power GS/Axe/Shield he played the new Condi War setup.

He won more of the duels but i got him to very low on several occasions. The reason i lost was because i failed to land some of my bursts to cleanse the condi and proc AH. While he could simply use LB burst and proc AH. So fault was my skill level.

After a few duels i was definitely getting better at it. I think in the hands of a less rusty warrior player a power GS Axe/Shield war can beat a condi war with relative ease.

I also confirmed my choice of sigils is IMO optimum for this setup. (forgive me if its obvious, im not claiming originality here)

I used Pack runes for the fury and swiftness of course. But i also put the sigil of agility (the one that gives 5 sec of swiftness and 1s of quickness on weapon swap) on the GS (plus hydromancy). This helped to land the Arcing slice BUT more importantly it gives 100% uptime on swiftness in combat which means enemies have a harder time to kite you which is the biggest weakness of melee power war.

On the Axe/Shield set i used Leeching and doom. You hope that the doom can help somewhat with reducing the healing but we know condi war cleanse condi well.

I also tested in unranked and beat an enemy condi war easily. It destroyed enemy necros no problem.

Its definitely more fun to play than condi war BUT i will be honest to say that for team fights the condi war brings more to the table.

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Well, anyone with experience knows that taking RR or CI depends on your camp. I am a power warrior, so most condi warrior i face take RR …

But that’s a non issue in pvp. Condi’s are pretty much part of the game. It has nothing to do with experience it simply makes little sense here. It’s not just the hard hitting conditions but soft lockdown conditions as well u’d be a sitting duck. Which condi warrior in pvp is gonna give up cleansing ire just because they face a power warrior? As if you are the single player they are gonna balance thier spec around?

U don’t even need rousing resilence AH is more then enough espically with wanderers amulet.

Dude, which trait are you going to take?

2 revs 1 engi 1 ele 1 warrior ?? if you are a condi warrior?

or 2 rev 1 thief 2 Dh ? if you are a condi warrior

or 2 rev 1 warrior 2 DH??? if you are a condi warrior?

This isnt season 2, with necro roaming all over the place. What’s so hard to get???

But those comps are not quite representive of the comps u meet this season. That’s wishfull thinking. Power has not replaced conditions. Necromancers and Mesmers are still quite present. But yeah if u encountered pure power teams then yeah u can run rousing resiliance, the warriors might make me reconsider since they can be another warrior.

You’re right. This is season 3 In which u see Condi Mesmers, Other Condi Warriors, Condi Necro’s(1 to maby 2 max in a team) running around. Condi Mesmers are a guarantee to show up really and the other 2 have a high chance of appearing. Heck even elementalist can deal quite a bit of chill and burn that will chip away at you and in a teamfight when u get hardfocused. So even in those comps u proposed u still have to actually reconsider taking rousin resilence or Cleansing ire or not, there are things like lockdowns.

Tf is wrong with you? How is my experience which is back by data wishful thinking?? Wtf are you?? Amber? ? Why don’t you scan the pvp section and see what type of games most people are having. The 50/50 thread in pvp section, there is no condi class whatsoever on both camp???

Or do you even watch other players?? Shin, hibify the dude who optimized the mace shield sw torch condi build both uses RR.

Tf stop being narrow minded., calling someone anecdotal experience wishful thinking is rude kid, especially when you have nothing but ur anecdotal experience to back it.

Here are the post you should check:

First of all, Don’t u kittening strawman me and berate me for bieng ’’rude’’ and get all uptity with me, based on your own failed reading comprehension. They are curently 3 condi builds that are kittening meta. With an added double melee condi berserker variation that is not meta in metabattle but doing quite well and can be argued to be meta. Condition builds are here. And no amount of ranting is gonna change that.

I’m calling things as I see it. I never denied your anedecotl experience rather i argue it’s not representive of the kittening league. Learn to kittening read. Next time act normal.

lol, are we still debating if CI or RR depends on camps or what? And here you are pulling there are 3 condi build:

Well here are 3 meta battle build:
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Bleed_%26_Burn
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Burnbow
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Macebow
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Ragezerker

2 out of those 4 use RR. So what are you grasping at? i never said, there was only 1 condi build… or Have you ever watched shin or hibify stream?

lmao what you meant by wishfull thinking then?

Wishful thinking is the formation of beliefs and making decisions according to what might be pleasing to imagine instead of by appealing to evidence, rationality, or reality. It is a product of resolving conflicts between belief and desire.

According to wikepedia, so tell me hows that not denying my anecdotal experience or this player anecdoatal experience. Since, we are, supposedly, making our claims out of thin air or do you not comprehend the meaning of the word you use?

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Spartacus.3192:

BurrTheKing.8571:

EDIT: I do wanna point out though that Power War tends to counter Condi War. I know my mace/Shield + GS Demolisher build makes them look pathetic.

I wrote about this on Wednesday that i honestly feel Demolisher GS Axe/shield power war with pack runes will be the counter to Condi Wars in Season 3.

Spartacus.3192:

The problem i feel with the wanderer build now vs merc build before is that power damage is very low so if you are up against a class that has good condi cleanse/resistance then you’re almost worthless.

For eg. who do you think will win in a 1v1? This build vs a Power GS Axe/Shield War . The power war has the same trait setup so has great condi clear and resistance uptime BUT can do a huge amount of power damage against you while negating most of your damage. (i accept that pvp is not 1v1 so dont flame me. im just asking the question)

Using Pack Runes and a sigil of agility (swiftness/quickness one) you will have more run speed to help counter anyone who wants to kite you.

Sometimes (at least for soloQ) a good build may be one that counters the meta rather than the actual meta.

Yesterday i decided to test it vs my guildie who is a Warrior main forever, even in S1 and S2. Whereas i didnt touch Warrior in S1 and S2. So there is an experience level to take into account here.

I played power GS/Axe/Shield he played the new Condi War setup.

He won more of the duels but i got him to very low on several occasions. The reason i lost was because i failed to land some of my bursts to cleanse the condi and proc AH. While he could simply use LB burst and proc AH. So fault was my skill level.

After a few duels i was definitely getting better at it. I think in the hands of a less rusty warrior player a power GS Axe/Shield war can beat a condi war with relative ease.

I also confirmed my choice of sigils is IMO optimum for this setup. (forgive me if its obvious, im not claiming originality here)

I used Pack runes for the fury and swiftness of course. But i also put the sigil of agility (the one that gives 5 sec of swiftness and 1s of quickness on weapon swap) on the GS (plus hydromancy). This helped to land the Arcing slice BUT more importantly it gives 100% uptime on swiftness in combat which means enemies have a harder time to kite you which is the biggest weakness of melee power war.

On the Axe/Shield set i used Leeching and doom. You hope that the doom can help somewhat with reducing the healing but we know condi war cleanse condi well.

I also tested in unranked and beat an enemy condi war easily. It destroyed enemy necros no problem.

Its definitely more fun to play than condi war BUT i will be honest to say that for team fights the condi war brings more to the table.

I first ran vanilla axe/shield but yesterday I respecced back to my berserker axe shield with rage runes, here’s the build. I feel like this variant is pretty much superior in every way to the runes of pack/demolisher amulet one. That toughness does nothing vs condi builds and runes of rage not only give you perma fury without needing to use arcing slice but also pump your crit damage to 239.4% when you’re in berserker mode aaaaand give you a 5% dmg increase when under fury. I don’t know why but recently I can’t seem to be able to stick to marauder or demolisher amulet. I find the damage drop way too significant to warrant the slight sustain increase.

And lol Fivedawgs and Xanctus stahp kittenting on eachother lol

Rekt.5360:

I first ran vanilla axe/shield but yesterday I respecced back to my berserker axe shield with rage runes, here’s the build. I feel like this variant is pretty much superior in every way to the runes of pack/demolisher amulet one. That toughness does nothing vs condi builds and runes of rage not only give you perma fury without needing to use arcing slice but also pump your crit damage to 239.4% when you’re in berserker mode aaaaand give you a 5% dmg increase when under fury. I don’t know why but recently I can’t seem to be able to stick to marauder or demolisher amulet. I find the damage drop way too significant to warrant the slight sustain increase.

And lol Fivedawgs and Xanctus stahp kittenting on eachother lol

The problem with using Berserker amulet and Strength runes is that its really a YOLO build. With the amount of Thieves running around you will get bursted down much quicker unless you are on your shield set and can block the rest of the burst.

Also the PRIMARY reason i take pack runes is for the switfness uptime. Its very hard for someone to kite me when i have 100% uptime on swiftness while on your set you have no swiftness and are double melee.

I switch between Condi and Power to mix things up a bit, but there’s no doubt that Condi is more effective overall against equally skilled opponents. Sure Power is a lot more fun to play, but all you have to do is avoid the easily avoided Bursts of the Power build and they are sitting ducks… With LB you don’t have that concern.

Also… the RR and CI debate… You guys are being ridiculous! Each have their own merits, and fit particular builds/comps. There isn’t just ONE way to play b/c not every match is identical… and if you play like there is only one, then you’re going to get wrecked.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Well, anyone with experience knows that taking RR or CI depends on your camp. I am a power warrior, so most condi warrior i face take RR …

But that’s a non issue in pvp. Condi’s are pretty much part of the game. It has nothing to do with experience it simply makes little sense here. It’s not just the hard hitting conditions but soft lockdown conditions as well u’d be a sitting duck. Which condi warrior in pvp is gonna give up cleansing ire just because they face a power warrior? As if you are the single player they are gonna balance thier spec around?

U don’t even need rousing resilence AH is more then enough espically with wanderers amulet.

Dude, which trait are you going to take?

2 revs 1 engi 1 ele 1 warrior ?? if you are a condi warrior?

or 2 rev 1 thief 2 Dh ? if you are a condi warrior

or 2 rev 1 warrior 2 DH??? if you are a condi warrior?

This isnt season 2, with necro roaming all over the place. What’s so hard to get???

But those comps are not quite representive of the comps u meet this season. That’s wishfull thinking. Power has not replaced conditions. Necromancers and Mesmers are still quite present. But yeah if u encountered pure power teams then yeah u can run rousing resiliance, the warriors might make me reconsider since they can be another warrior.

You’re right. This is season 3 In which u see Condi Mesmers, Other Condi Warriors, Condi Necro’s(1 to maby 2 max in a team) running around. Condi Mesmers are a guarantee to show up really and the other 2 have a high chance of appearing. Heck even elementalist can deal quite a bit of chill and burn that will chip away at you and in a teamfight when u get hardfocused. So even in those comps u proposed u still have to actually reconsider taking rousin resilence or Cleansing ire or not, there are things like lockdowns.

Tf is wrong with you? How is my experience which is back by data wishful thinking?? Wtf are you?? Amber? ? Why don’t you scan the pvp section and see what type of games most people are having. The 50/50 thread in pvp section, there is no condi class whatsoever on both camp???

Or do you even watch other players?? Shin, hibify the dude who optimized the mace shield sw torch condi build both uses RR.

Tf stop being narrow minded., calling someone anecdotal experience wishful thinking is rude kid, especially when you have nothing but ur anecdotal experience to back it.

Here are the post you should check:

First of all, Don’t u kittening strawman me and berate me for bieng ’’rude’’ and get all uptity with me, based on your own failed reading comprehension. They are curently 3 condi builds that are kittening meta. With an added double melee condi berserker variation that is not meta in metabattle but doing quite well and can be argued to be meta. Condition builds are here. And no amount of ranting is gonna change that.

I’m calling things as I see it. I never denied your anedecotl experience rather i argue it’s not representive of the kittening league. Learn to kittening read. Next time act normal.

lol, are we still debating if CI or RR depends on camps or what? And here you are pulling there are 3 condi build:

Well here are 3 meta battle build:
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Bleed_%26_Burn
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Burnbow
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Macebow
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Ragezerker

2 out of those 4 use RR. So what are you grasping at? i never said, there was only 1 condi build… or Have you ever watched shin or hibify stream?

lmao what you meant by wishfull thinking then?

Wishful thinking is the formation of beliefs and making decisions according to what might be pleasing to imagine instead of by appealing to evidence, rationality, or reality. It is a product of resolving conflicts between belief and desire.

According to wikepedia, so tell me hows that not denying my anecdotal experience or this player anecdoatal experience. Since, we are, supposedly, making our claims out of thin air or do you not comprehend the meaning of the word you use?

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/224830/zzzz.png

Again your kittening reading comprehension fails again. Jesus kittening Christ. I wasn’t even talking about the different warrior condi builds. What the kitten did you think I was talking about. About the fact that condi Builds are a thing. Why did u think i named necro’s chrono and other classes in my previous posts. It’s because of kitten like this u get all emotional while there is simply no need to. But since we are busy with those anways. Notice now the mace+shield+sword+torch variant has it’s weakness listed as a condi bomb? I know that. And why the kitten would you bring a test build here that uses arms. And an outright outdated build. the Mecenary Burnbow is the same kittening thing as the current macebow.. U cannot even kittening be honest with youtself here. This kitten on top of a kittening strawmen. BTW I never even accused you of claiming that there was just 1 condi build.

At the moment LB Zerker, Mace shield+Sword Torch with varriing amulets wanders,vipers are bieng used. Those that use rousing resilence share the same weakness of condi bombs as i pointed out earlier. Espically the bleed burn bow which doesn’t even have disispline a highly inpractical build. Nothing more then the pre-evolution of the current LB zerkers we see now.

Ok. read my sentence again. Did I did i not kittening claim that which u claimed when u illulstrated is not representive of the league? Do you know know that. I’m accusing you of wishfull thinking because that which u experienced. So when I add the league. And explain that which u encounterd does represent the league. Then what do you think that the bigger picture is here? U have your anectocal evidence which is really nothing more then your reality and what u percieve. So I come with the reality check which u so much need. Hence wishfull thinking.

>Metabattle illulstrates multiple condi builds.

>The PvP section complains about conditions

>They outright complain about condi builds.

Jesus christ. It’s like I have to kittening explain half of what i say twice.

Comical. Entertaining.

Well, lets see:

Furajir.3815:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Furajir.3815:

power warr > condi warr in a 1v1 situation. Smash Brawler + CI = too good, i have zero issues with condi warrs

Not for Mace+shield+sword torch when figthing an equally skilled player. Condi warriors that use wanders amulet can easily stack conditions past your resistance uptime. Also mace+shield+sword+torch do not have any less CC or blocks then the power warrior variants. Condi warriors can apply bleeds and confusion on interrupts and berserker mace burst with smash brawler has blind, bleed confusion cripple starting at 6 to all the way to 11 seconds without any runes or sigils that increase condi duration. that’s basic wander amulet.

I can see you having a point for the longbow version tough as it’s primary condition is burinig.

add to that RR + outrage and dead or alive( 30 sec cd), you get a beast.

So to put in in perspective, thats 5k hp from dead of alive every 30 sec which proc everytime they are against a power warrior.

+ 2.5 k Hp and 1000 toughness every 10 sec

+100% condi dmg.

Yeah but rousing resiliance is not what condi warriors run. Atleast the mace shield sword torch variant. That’d be incredibly detrimental to our sustain. U’d get kittened by necro mancers and even conditon mallyx.

Not sure where u see that? Your build perhaps?

Proved you wrong there, two Meta battle build uses RR and shin Condi build uses RR as well, and he made it during S2 when there was necro all over the place. Do not forget that warrior get 9 second resistance from Bezerker stance + 6 sec of resistance from HS.
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_Ragezerker (sword torch mace shield build)
Shin build is similar to that one, http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQRAsf5enEdAlkidhAWhAEliFjADZEsCWeGBgNYO7t4mcfuA-TJBHwAlfCAAOJAq3fIZZAA
so is hibify build. So it’s not only my build, newbie? It’s two pro build and one from meta battle. And they climbed with it DURING S2.

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Well, anyone with experience knows that taking RR or CI depends on your camp. I am a power warrior, so most condi warrior i face take RR …

But that’s a non issue in pvp. Condi’s are pretty much part of the game. It has nothing to do with experience it simply makes little sense here. It’s not just the hard hitting conditions but soft lockdown conditions as well u’d be a sitting duck. Which condi warrior in pvp is gonna give up cleansing ire just because they face a power warrior? As if you are the single player they are gonna balance thier spec around?

U don’t even need rousing resilence AH is more then enough espically with wanderers amulet.

First, your opponents cant see the build you are using, they have no way of telling if you are power or not. So it’s come down to going RR when facing a Power camp or CI when facing a Condi camp. To answer your question: Shin (pro warrior does), Final Form warrior (during ESL did) even though he faced NOS one of the best necro NA. And everyone using the metabattle ragezerker do as well.

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Again your kittening reading comprehension fails again. Jesus kittening Christ. I wasn’t even talking about the different warrior condi builds. What the kitten did you think I was talking about. About the fact that condi Builds are a thing. Why did u think i named necro’s chrono and other classes in my previous posts. It’s because of kitten like this u get all emotional while there is simply no need to. But since we are busy with those anways. Notice now the mace+shield+sword+torch variant has it’s weakness listed as a condi bomb? I know that. And why the kitten would you bring a test build here that uses arms. And an outright outdated build. the Mecenary Burnbow is the same kittening thing as the current macebow.. U cannot even kittening be honest with youtself here. This kitten on top of a kittening strawmen. BTW I never even accused you of claiming that there was just 1 condi build.

At the moment LB Zerker, Mace shield+Sword Torch with varriing amulets wanders,vipers are bieng used. Those that use rousing resilence share the same weakness of condi bombs as i pointed out earlier. Espically the bleed burn bow which doesn’t even have disispline a highly inpractical build. Nothing more then the pre-evolution of the current LB zerkers we see now.

Ok. read my sentence again. Did I did i not kittening claim that which u claimed when u illulstrated is not representive of the league? Do you know know that. I’m accusing you of wishfull thinking because that which u experienced. So when I add the league. And explain that which u encounterd does represent the league. Then what do you think that the bigger picture is here? U have your anectocal evidence which is really nothing more then your reality and what u percieve. So I come with the reality check which u so much need. Hence wishfull thinking.

>Metabattle illulstrates multiple condi builds.

>The PvP section complains about conditions lie, folks in the pvp section are complaining about condi warrior; necro and Mesmer have already being toned down

>They outright complain about condi builds. lie again, they are complaining about condi warrior, I have yet to a see a post complaining about condi Mesmer, or necro since S3 started

Jesus christ. It’s like I have to kittening explain half of what i say twice. Well, i am not surprised since you dont know what you wrote, writing, said or saying

First bolded statement:

First of all, Don’t u kittening strawman me and berate me for bieng ’’rude’’ and get all uptity with me, based on your own failed reading comprehension. They are curently 3 condi builds that are kittening meta. With an added double melee condi berserker variation that is not meta in metabattle but doing quite well and can be argued to be meta.

So, you weren’t talking about 3 different condi build but you talked about them.. yeah, I am confused as well.

Second Bolded statement:
Iol, I didn’t say they were viable or not. I just showed you condi build with RR, which was the subject of our convo.. if you want to tango alone, then do so. Lol, talking about reading incomprehension.

Third bolded statement:
Asinine logic on point. I ve provided a screenshot from another player. So, there is a huge difference between Wishfull thinking(something made out of thin air) and you know what “that might be a possibility.”

Well, have a nice day sir… I am open for further discussion if you are still confused, but for now i’ll focus on life.

Mashedwarf.8235:

I switch between Condi and Power to mix things up a bit, but there’s no doubt that Condi is more effective overall against equally skilled opponents. Sure Power is a lot more fun to play, but all you have to do is avoid the easily avoided Bursts of the Power build and they are sitting ducks… With LB you don’t have that concern.

Also… the RR and CI debate… You guys are being ridiculous! Each have their own merits, and fit particular builds/comps. There isn’t just ONE way to play b/c not every match is identical… and if you play like there is only one, then you’re going to get wrecked.

My point exactly.

I’m not a fan of Axe, not a big fan of weapons that are based around spamming your auto. Decapitate is also a really underwhelming skill. When I run power I use either this or this (sometimes I still stick with Heightened Focus on this one) depending on the enemy team comp.

Having Unblockable CC in a meta where MANY classes have a block skill that is vital to their sustain. Skull Cracker actually does good damage on Demo ammy and the other condis are still useful, especially the blind. Both versions of the build can also make condi wars a total joke. The CI version is easier but you have so much CC that they never get to get off a good combo. It’s also good against Mesmers as well. Arc Divider 1 shots most clones which heavily hinders their abilities.

Not as good as condi in team fights but if you focus on +1s and 1v1s you can be successful. You tend to get marginalized if focused in team fights.

I run hoelbrek runes on my build really helps shed those condi stacks while in berserker stance