Guild Wars 2

This is why.

Kaldrys.1978:

Oh great now I’ll have warriors replacing my 30s might stacks with 6s might stacks. If you see a S/D or S/F ele in your party please don’t use this trait.

Get ready to kick these noobs.

I wouldn’t say its no good. I would say its niche. In an optimal party with an ele that is doing might stacking already it is suboptimal. But I will also add that the warrior can stack might better than an ele now. That being siad I currently believe no class in the game can buff bot or stack might as good as a warrior for a partys consumption.

So will we see guards not using staffs for empower anymore and see eles switch to more DPS orientated roles who knows but I do know one thing nothing else is more efficient right now at might stacking for a party than a warrior.
In a party without one it can fill that role and once again allows the warrior to carry the party.

A good guardian never uses a staff in PvE. Ever. At least not when hes playing seriously.

I’m not too familiar with eles, but, isn’t fire their DPS attribute anyways?

I think eles are using lighting hammer. So while it is equiped they are not throwing out fire fields. There is an ele build specifically designed for might stacking but its not a high dps build.

Warlord.9074:

I think eles are using lighting hammer. So while it is equiped they are not throwing out fire fields. There is an ele build specifically designed for might stacking but its not a high dps build.

I migggght be worthwhile having the warrior buff instead then. I know that eles when played well (note, well), has noticably higher DPS than warriors, and this Phalanx build is kind of an extension of an Empowered Allies build, so even in an organised party, if the Warrior doesn’t use strength but scholar runes (because having played for quite a while, I’m positive you can keep 25 stacks up even with scholar), it miiiggght be actually optimal. Hard to say without doing the maths, and I can’t do math at 5 am in the morning

What? an ele can easily give 18 stacks of might lasting 30 seconds while still running a super high DPS build, just do the S/D might stack combo then use your hammer, bonus points if a second staff ele is there to provide constant fire fields to blast your LH into, if not a guardian droping purging/hallowed works aswel. A warrior grabing that trait kills his DPS so badly its not even worth it, just take an ele and keep your DPS. Ele are better at might stacking since its longer might while not sacrafising as much DPS. Even with the weakest meta personal DPS build for S/D ele, they still do more DPS then a normal warrior let alone a “might stacking” warrior.

In an ideal PvE scenario it might be sub-optimal. I think it’s got some potential out in WvW, particularly smaller scale, where you’re not always going to be able to setup a specific might stacking combo in the middle of a skirmish.

warrior can run perma 25 might stacks.
with those new traits he can share all 25 mights to party members.

Yes, other classes can maintain quite a bit of might on the whole party, but the warrior can now do this passively while DPSing with a greatsword. In addition, the Tactics trait line allows access to Empower Allies as well as traited banners for even more offensive support.

JETWING.2759:

warrior can run perma 25 might stacks.
with those new traits he can share all 25 mights to party members.

For a gargantuan DPS cost. An Ele can stack this and still do higher DPS than even a Meta Warrior build.

No boss fight should last long enough where Might from an LH Ele doesn’t maintain until the boss dies. And if it does, your group doesn’t care about efficiency so you may aswell run dual axe shout heals.

For now, since we can re trait anytime, everyone should have learn a good axes build to switch when too many might stacking guy are in the party and problems are solved.

And actually, I don’t think elementalist can out-damage warrior every time, may be when elementalist have their elite swords up to a single target, but anyway over stacking might is not good to the party.

Flissy.4093:

JETWING.2759:

warrior can run perma 25 might stacks.
with those new traits he can share all 25 mights to party members.

For a gargantuan DPS cost. An Ele can stack this and still do higher DPS than even a Meta Warrior build.

No boss fight should last long enough where Might from an LH Ele doesn’t maintain until the boss dies. And if it does, your group doesn’t care about efficiency so you may aswell run dual axe shout heals.

Dual swords
pls.
dual axe is so 2013

And OT: Yes, phalanx strength has no place in speedruns, but defintely has a place in less tryhard runs with friends/guilds. Not everyone can handle LH ele, in fact most eles can’t. Most players can’t even handle ele or the master of faceroll, engineer. This is what leeds to people to belive that their solo 25 stacks of X build is really efficient… well it may be in their enviroment.

Agony.3542:

Flissy.4093:

JETWING.2759:

warrior can run perma 25 might stacks.
with those new traits he can share all 25 mights to party members.

For a gargantuan DPS cost. An Ele can stack this and still do higher DPS than even a Meta Warrior build.

No boss fight should last long enough where Might from an LH Ele doesn’t maintain until the boss dies. And if it does, your group doesn’t care about efficiency so you may aswell run dual axe shout heals.

Dual swords
pls.
dual axe is so 2013

And OT: Yes, phalanx strength has no place in speedruns, but defintely has a place in less tryhard runs with friends/guilds. Not everyone can handle LH ele, in fact most eles can’t. Most players can’t even handle ele or the master of faceroll, engineer. This is what leeds to people to belive that their solo 25 stacks of X build is really efficient… well it may be in their enviroment.

I play all 8 professions and I main ele for a year so I really don’t think fire shield might combos and LH is that hard to handle. But you are right, not everyone can do it. You can assume your partys are all pro, but that is not always the case. Phalanx strength is not for partys that already have might spammer, but for partys without might spammer. With it, you might make a normal run to become a speed run.

This is important that you can replace an elementalist’s roll in a party without it. You may not do as much damage as elementalist but you can still provide other supports to your party such as banners, fury. The overall damage from your party will increases, which might cover your single dps loss.

To Sum up, I think it is too early to say one trait is useless simply because there is a substitute one. In a 5 man party, everything can happen and warriors should learn and take advantages from your new traits and find a suitable role for your party, not just yourself.

Flissy.4093:

JETWING.2759:

warrior can run perma 25 might stacks.
with those new traits he can share all 25 mights to party members.

For a gargantuan DPS cost. An Ele can stack this and still do higher DPS than even a Meta Warrior build.

No boss fight should last long enough where Might from an LH Ele doesn’t maintain until the boss dies. And if it does, your group doesn’t care about efficiency so you may aswell run dual axe shout heals.

Try sword/horn and long bow with battle sigils, strength runes and berserker amulet. Put 20 defense (cleansing ire and ?), 30 tactics (quick breathing, phalanx strength and ?) and 20 discipline (signet mastery and ???, may be destruction of empowered)
Use stomp for get control, stun break, stability and blast finish in one single slot, and of course signet of rage

You will provide high support with horn and might without to loose dps. After you get 25 might stacks your power and condition damage will up increasing the dps via power and conditions.

Good luck

Going Forceful Greatsword to get the extra might stacking is not worth it. 4/4/0/6/0 Forceful Greatsword setup gives you a measly 6.6k. By comparison, something like 2/6/0/6/0 A/M setup gives a 8k and you still stack plenty of might via FGJ + Strength/Battle sigils combined with Strength rune duration bonus. By comparison, a full-Scholar max-DPS warrior gets about 10.5k, and the more practical EM DPS spec is about 9.5k.

Losing 1.5k for ~17 extra stacks of party might is decent but really dependent on whether you already have an engineer or elementalist in your party that can stack might for you, since those classes can do it without any real loss in DPS.

I have to LoL about suggestions to run scholar runes and bring no defense, i.e. no means to clear conditions, on warriors.

mooty.4560:

I have to LoL about suggestions to run scholar runes and bring no defense, i.e. no means to clear conditions, on warriors.

Eh? Leave that to the other classes. Bring your axes, zerker gear, scholar runes and banners plx. Nothing more is required from a warrior. Ele will take care of fury/might. Guard will take care of condis.

fadeaway.2807:

Eh? Leave that to the other classes. Bring your axes, zerker gear, scholar runes and banners plx. Nothing more is required from a warrior. Ele will take care of fury/might. Guard will take care of condis.

In an ideal world. Most dungeon pugs and even guild groups cannot be counted on to offer group-wide support, let alone a simple res when things go awry. If you then try to make suggestions on people’s builds, you might find yourself in a strained argument. Either way, I personally wouldn’t use Runes of the Scholar on my warrior in any situation.

Putting this out there and it will be noticed.

Ele is inferior to warriors might stacking in a big way. Eles can come not close to how good warriors stack might now. To the point I think eles shouldn’t do this anymore. Anyone who disagrees with this hasn’t tried it. That being said Eles do more damage than warriors anyways anyone who thinks warriors do more damage than and Ele hasn’t tried it. In fact warriors come no where close to the damage output of ele DPS even with a DPS build.

I also think that a perma 25 stacks outweighs the DPS build + the less might statcks that an ele brings. Builds need to be refined sure and the builds are not final yet but fact reamins Warrior>ele as far as group support.

Ele can do around what 15-18 stacks.
Warrior can do perma 25 stacks + 150 Power to all allies + banners.

Warrior > ele for now on sorry eles your jobs are ours.

A bit off topic but, I think this kind of highlights a major weakness in game mechanics: you don’t need to give up anything to give what’s considered vital and useful support.

That’s one of the reasons why we have so little build diversity. If guardians have to build differently to give aegis, blind and reflect up times that are considered vital in FotM, if eles had to lose considerate DPS themselves to stack might and benefit the whole party, and etc for other classes then we’ll have a lot more considerations to think about and have more build diversity.

I think Phalanx Strength is where the game should aim to when making support builds viable. You lose considerate DPS yourself but your party in the lack if other might stacks gain hugely in DPS, so there’s that weighting of benefits and consideration of the situation at hand, which makes things more interesting.

Xae Isareth.1364:

A bit off topic but, I think this kind of highlights a major weakness in game mechanics: you don’t need to give up anything to give what’s considered vital and useful support.

That’s one of the reasons why we have so little build diversity. If guardians have to build differently to give aegis, blind and reflect up times that are considered vital in FotM, if eles had to lose considerate DPS themselves to stack might and benefit the whole party, and etc for other classes then we’ll have a lot more considerations to think about and have more build diversity.

I think Phalanx Strength is where the game should aim to when making support builds viable. You lose considerate DPS yourself but your party in the lack if other might stacks gain hugely in DPS, so there’s that weighting of benefits and consideration of the situation at hand, which makes things more interesting.

I have to /disagree here.

If you use fire combos for might, an active way which requires you to have timing, coordination and teamwork, you can cut all the “gimmicks” like boon duration or traits like PS.
If you don’t want to put that much effort in it you are free to use passive mightstackers, like PS or Empowering might, but you will have to sacrifice some damage in return.
You actually have a choice, putting in more effort is rewarded, playing in a more passive way comes with a cost.

Honestly this trait is the only viable one we received. I can see people actually actively using this in groups. We have several means to add might to ourselves or people around us. Skills like “for great justice” go from giving 3 to 6 now. “Signet of rage” use to be a self buff but now it can give 5 might. “Forceful greatsword” can give an easy 4~8 might every 8 seconds or so. We have always been might producing machines. And this trait shares our vast wealth.

Oh great now I’ll have warriors replacing my 30s might stacks with 6s might stacks. If you see a S/D or S/F ele in your party please don’t use this trait.

Agony.3542:

Xae Isareth.1364:

A bit off topic but, I think this kind of highlights a major weakness in game mechanics: you don’t need to give up anything to give what’s considered vital and useful support.

That’s one of the reasons why we have so little build diversity. If guardians have to build differently to give aegis, blind and reflect up times that are considered vital in FotM, if eles had to lose considerate DPS themselves to stack might and benefit the whole party, and etc for other classes then we’ll have a lot more considerations to think about and have more build diversity.

I think Phalanx Strength is where the game should aim to when making support builds viable. You lose considerate DPS yourself but your party in the lack if other might stacks gain hugely in DPS, so there’s that weighting of benefits and consideration of the situation at hand, which makes things more interesting.

I have to /disagree here.

If you use fire combos for might, an active way which requires you to have timing, coordination and teamwork, you can cut all the “gimmicks” like boon duration or traits like PS.
If you don’t want to put that much effort in it you are free to use passive mightstackers, like PS or Empowering might, but you will have to sacrifice some damage in return.
You actually have a choice, putting in more effort is rewarded, playing in a more passive way comes with a cost.
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That’s exactly the same issue with zerker gear. And we know and Anet knows how much that’s corrupted most of the game.

Skill and effort should be rewarded, but there needs to be a choice even at the highest end of skilful play, otherwise like now, you’ll have everyone playing exactly the same or rather, aiming to play exactly the same, and thus no build diversity in PvE at all.

@above post that itself doesn’t matter. Anyone running this will have 9 -12 second might stacks unless they don’t use food, and those stacks will be constantly refreshed anyways.

So unless you’re all running around like headless chickens (which would screw over field might stacking anyways) that should not be a problem.

If someone intends to use ele to stack most of the might for a group, can I see a video where your group stacks might correctly during the encounters like archdiviner at fotm 41+ when you often have a hammer guardian?

Let’s be practical, for dungeons ele is the definite choice for might stacking but eles can’t do it so well in high scales fractals. If you see your party stack mights correctly, it takes few seconds to change your build.

And most importantly, can ele stack mights underwater as good as PS warrior?

haviz.1340:

If someone intends to use ele to stack most of the might for a group, can I see a video where your group stacks might correctly during the encounters like archdiviner at fotm 41+ when you often have a hammer guardian?

Let’s be practical, for dungeons ele is the definite choice for might stacking but eles can’t do it so well in high scales fractals. If you see your party stack mights correctly, it takes few seconds to change your build.

And most importantly, can ele stack mights underwater as good as PS warrior?

Good point. I use my warrior in high level fractals and I can definitely see how this trait could be useful in FOTM where a) stacking in one spot isn’t as prevalent, b) fights go on for an extended period of time, c) s/(d/f) ele’s just aren’t as common, so it’s unlikely that the party is hitting 25 stacks consistently.

To be honest, eles that can stack might properly are actually quite rare in a pug, even for dungeons.

I still find plenty of groups that barely maintain 10stacks of party might. This trait will be useful.

Xae Isareth.1364:

To be honest, eles that can stack might properly are actually quite rare in a pug, even for dungeons.

and most of time pugs will put down combo fields beside fire which screw up might blasting.

rainynoble.6531:

Xae Isareth.1364:

To be honest, eles that can stack might properly are actually quite rare in a pug, even for dungeons.

and most of time pugs will put down combo fields beside fire which screw up might blasting.

To be honest, that’s not their fault half the time. Guardians have a trait which auto drops a light field at 50% HP, and it’s a 5 point trait in a meta build line so you have to take it.

looooooooooooooooooooool

the think is that the most classes do 6-8 k dmg per sec, if y can play, but the warri push themself to 20+ might, so fact is the most other classes with 25might make 2x more dmg as a warri. and now its going craxy, if the warrior with heavy armor, double hp and half dps going now more tank.. loool. you need only might for max 20sec. and thats all. i would vote phalanx for kick if i would ever play random. lupicus themself is a max 30 sec kill without probs. with the runes y lose 10%dmg, with power trait 30 y lose 15%dmg, with whole traits 30% or more, all in all 50% dmg…. omg! the think with eles is that they do not only stack i make with last hammer blow 17k damage , all 3 sec , the first 2 hits make 8-10k , i make 37k in 3 sec. with firegreatsword i make 3k x 80 thats =250k , with all greatsword skill on 10sec mayby so 300k , … palanx warrior ???? 30k on 10sec ….go home …. mayby wvw ^^

StaniMorell.2681:

the think is that the most classes do 6-8 k dmg per sec, if y can play, but the warri push themself to 20+ might, so fact is the most other classes with 25might make 2x more dmg as a warri. and now its going craxy, if the warrior with heavy armor, double hp and half dps going now more tank.. loool. you need only might for max 20sec. and thats all. i would vote phalanx for kick if i would ever play random. lupicus themself is a max 30 sec kill without probs. with the runes y lose 10%dmg, with power trait 30 y lose 15%dmg, with whole traits 30% or more, all in all 50% dmg…. omg! the think with eles is that they do not only stack i make with last hammer blow 17k damage , all 3 sec , the first 2 hits make 8-10k , i make 37k in 3 sec. with firegreatsword i make 3k x 80 thats =250k , with all greatsword skill on 10sec mayby so 300k , … palanx warrior ???? 30k on 10sec ….go home …. mayby wvw ^^

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Phalanx strength and the forceful greatsword trait, runes, sigils, build might like 10 times faster than an Ele. I won’t share my build but you could probably figure it out, but in WvW I can keep up 25 stacks of might up consistently, simply through cleave damage. It drains pretty quick though.