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Posted by: Sad Swordfish.9743

Sad Swordfish.9743

I’m a bit annoyed seeing posts in the forums and people inside the gaming the argument that Warriors are OP’ed because of their popularity. It actually brings me back to the release of Guild Wars 1, of people asking for Warrior/Monks(Wammos) getting nerfed. It was of course pure stupidity. They were extremely popular because they where easy to play and easy to understand, but it was not a qualified justification to change the class because it worked.
The difference here is experience, and unlike in GW1 where the angry masses just blame everyone but themselves, the situation in GW2 with mainly the healing signet and the Hammer Warrior builds are featured in other threads.

What this thread is about, why Warriors are popular. Or rather why they have always been popular. Short answer is; Because they are extremely fun to play. Longer answer;

I’ve played a Warrior since day 1, and I feel that I saw a lot of Warriors everywhere back then as well. The preveleance of Warrior has changed. I recall that early this year Guardians started becoming popular, and I remember Mesmers suddenly being the class I saw most people play as. Then there was the Thief armies in WvW.

Warrior is a great class because there is a lot of ways to play. The Axes are great and fun. The sword is awesome for utility. The Warhorn is great. Many people have different views on the longbow and the Rifle. The Greatsword is legendary, and the Hammer is the current Flavor of the month. Mace is solid too! In fact it seems to me that the only weapon that doesn’t work that well in some circumstance, is actually the Shield.
But if you look at it in an overall perspective, it means that there is a lot of really great way to play Warriors. If you look at Ranger as an example, you are looking at a class with a lot more problematic weapon sets! Guardians come close to Warriors in build variety as well.

Another reason is that one of the main things about guild wars is the action combat. No other class than Warrior and Thief really facilitates that level of action and swordswinging mayham that well. Warrior really gives you that sense of swinging a weapon like it was a console action game. That’s what that class brings to the table. If you compare it to a Guardian weapons like Sword and Greatsword gives you a lot more instant action weapon attacks.m there are fewer cast bars, less of strained animation. You just get this fluid mess of PRESSING BUTTONS.

It makes Warrior an easy class to play, a good class to get variety as. I’ve run all sorts of builds. From bunkers, to shout healing warrior, to bleed condition, to shout cleanser, to banner buffer, to zerg stomper to zerker single target. It’s just a class that works and it’s a lot of fun to play.

Even the utilities mostly works. and every warrior I know runs their own thing. In fact, at any point in time I think Warrior in GW2 is the most fun class I have played in any MMO. Since Everquest and WoW and DAOC, what this class embodies is all I ever wanted. I was sick of sandwhich combat from day 1 and hated the wack-a-mole.

TL;DR – Warriors are not awesome because they are Warriors. Warriors are awesome because awesomeness is the epitome of the Warrior way of life.

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Posted by: toastycake.1683

toastycake.1683

i agree 100% percent!

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Posted by: Zacchary.6183

Zacchary.6183

People are playing warriors because its easy to play. You don’t have to put very much thought towards a warrior because 9 times out of 10 you’ll have all of your bases covered no matter what you do.

Other classes do not have that luxury and because anet is adamant on buffing warrior regardless of its actual state people will flock to it.

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Posted by: Kagusaki.3176

Kagusaki.3176

Warriors are alight. I just think engineers are much funner to play with all those buttons you have to press. It’s like playing an accordion on a unicycle while speaking welsh backwards.

Warriors are easy to play and for some players it might get boring just pressing 11111 all the time. They do have sexier armor though and that’s one of the reasons why I like the warrior class oh and they do great deal of damage.

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Posted by: Bweaty.9187

Bweaty.9187

Easy to play, super rewarding, lots of dev love, lots of spec choices that actually work.

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

Warrior is the class you can make the most builds with.

And you can make almost any stat combination, from glass cannon to bunker, and also make a tank build (tanky with viable damage). This has always been like this, buffs or not.

That’s why warriors are fun despite the lack of buttons to press.

Every class should have this freedom of choice.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

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Posted by: phaeris.7604

phaeris.7604

Why warriors are popular.

1) Easiest class to play and do well at.
2) Massive room for error due to armour values and healing signet.
3) Best Pve class.
4) Best WvW class.
5) Best mobility in game with a weapon which in itself does huge damage.
6) Aoe stuns on a 5 second timer (let’s be real, when isn’t adrenaline at full).
7) Melandru and food means conditions last for about 1 second if that.
8) Takes no effort at all to do well.

That about covers it. ( I do own a warrior, played him since day 1, but now it’s a joke how many are played in WvW and PvE.)

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Posted by: bigmonto.4215

bigmonto.4215

You got it the other way around. Warrior is popular because it is OPed.

Warrior was popular few patches back before the buff. No one ever complain about that. Now, warrior population exploded in Pve and Wvw way above their population before. You see fresh warrior with little experience jump into Wvw and 1v3 1v5, of course people want to play this class more, so they can win. And winning is fun. Even people who has no interested in playing warrior before is leveling one now. With the way things are going you will basically see no other classes around in Wvw. Is that what you want for this game? Is that healthy?

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

You got it the other way around. Warrior is popular because it is OPed.

Warrior was popular few patches back before the buff. No one ever complain about that. Now, warrior population exploded in Pve and Wvw way above their population before. You see fresh warrior with little experience jump into Wvw and 1v3 1v5, of course people want to play this class more, so they can win. And winning is fun. Even people who has no interested in playing warrior before is leveling one now. With the way things are going you will basically see no other classes around in Wvw. Is that what you want for this game? Is that healthy?

I was saying why warrior was fun before the patch.

Now it’s awkward to try to make a build aboiding all the op things (not playing hammer or mace or condi damage mostly, but also reducing condi removal by using different runes and not playing in wvwvw)

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

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Posted by: PookieDaWombat.6209

PookieDaWombat.6209

Here’s the thing with warriors as they are now: I’m a fairly decent Guardian. Not great, but fairly decent. Although my build is set to be big support in group play/open field combat in WvW, I have been able to stand up to others 1v1 and sometimes 1v2 in WvW. That is if none of those are warriors. With all my healing, damage reduction, blocking and retaliation I still cannot stop a war from running up on me and interrupting me to death. A lot of the time its not even that they are actively trying to stop me from performing skill “x”, they are just rolling through their knockdowns and interrupts with a few melee swings in between. If they come into a fight after I’ve engaged someone else, then forget about it, they completely throw off the balance of that fight and make it impossible to win. NO other class has that ability in the game, and it has nothing to do with skill since even a single unskilled player can cause enough damage and lay down enough cc to completely derail another player in another class even if they brought along 3 stun breakers (which no one ever will). I used to think the perma stealth crit monkey thief was the biggest pain in my rear in WvW, but they are manageable for me as a Guardian. The warriors are just impossible to deal with in their current form and when you have one to two of them running into a fight with anyone else, if you don’t have a large enough group to counter them, you’re going to get wiped.

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Posted by: Artaz.3819

Artaz.3819

It’s the perception that Warriors are the beloved ANet dev superchild. In reality, they were broken 6-months ago and were laughed at.

Warriors will be horrible again in 3 months or less.

Enjoy and farm, Warriors will always be PvE solo/PUG farm worthy. Just do not invest too much into your Warrior unless you are a masochist and enjoy the look.

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Posted by: Harper.4173

Harper.4173

It’s the perception that Warriors are the beloved ANet dev superchild. In reality, they were broken 6-months ago and were laughed at.

Warriors will be horrible again in 3 months or less.

Enjoy and farm, Warriors will always be PvE solo/PUG farm worthy. Just do not invest too much into your Warrior unless you are a masochist and enjoy the look.

They will not – it has been clearly stated that they are alright now – and that other classes will be balanced around them.

Warriors are popular because of many things – OP gets it right.

They are a simple – straight forward no gimmick class. Of course they’re popular. They also look great.

If here they fall they shall live on when ever you cry “For Ascalon!”

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Posted by: bigmonto.4215

bigmonto.4215

You got it the other way around. Warrior is popular because it is OPed.

Warrior was popular few patches back before the buff. No one ever complain about that. Now, warrior population exploded in Pve and Wvw way above their population before. You see fresh warrior with little experience jump into Wvw and 1v3 1v5, of course people want to play this class more, so they can win. And winning is fun. Even people who has no interested in playing warrior before is leveling one now. With the way things are going you will basically see no other classes around in Wvw. Is that what you want for this game? Is that healthy?

I was saying why warrior was fun before the patch.

Now it’s awkward to try to make a build aboiding all the op things (not playing hammer or mace or condi damage mostly, but also reducing condi removal by using different runes and not playing in wvwvw)

I was addressing the OP. But yeah I agree with you totally. I agree warrior is fun and should be effective. However its power is currently over the top, there is really no point rolling other classes against it. I am not sure how this ever get pass Anet’s QA.

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Posted by: NargofWoV.4267

NargofWoV.4267

Sadly, after struggling to play a "ranged " class that was suppose to be THE best ranged class in the game, I came to realize the Warrior had the play style that was best suited for MY play style in the game.

And I can tank.

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Posted by: Syhnz.4928

Syhnz.4928

hmmm easy to answer that question op….

1.Armor sets = Sexy
2. Square Jaw’ed hammer dunkin is leet
3. … FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
4. did i mention we look sexy…even when downed..i mean them female warriors lying on the ground helpless after killing so many people…make me wanna pop a finisher amirite?

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Posted by: knight.4379

knight.4379

Welcome to the thief club. We’ve been getting kittened about since launch.

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Posted by: Syhnz.4928

Syhnz.4928

Welcome to the thief club. We’ve been getting kittened about since launch.

lol :P im pretty sure 70% off the people who moan are Ranger’s/ele’s atm…well ele’s i understand your pain…but face it getting our hands on you was like nailing jello to the effin wall …and that jello was a unstable mass ready to explode and kill everything nearby…:( and rangers…well i guess they woulda gotten the clue…Ranger does not SPECIFICALY MEAN ARCHER…u kno RANGER/ARCHER same number off letters…NOT the same thing try the RRR ranger…or a Spirit build…hell Trappers rock ALOT off unsuspecting foes :P

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Posted by: knight.4379

knight.4379

Welcome to the thief club. We’ve been getting kittened about since launch.

lol :P im pretty sure 70% off the people who moan are Ranger’s/ele’s atm…well ele’s i understand your pain…but face it getting our hands on you was like nailing jello to the effin wall …and that jello was a unstable mass ready to explode and kill everything nearby…:( and rangers…well i guess they woulda gotten the clue…Ranger does not SPECIFICALY MEAN ARCHER…u kno RANGER/ARCHER same number off letters…NOT the same thing try the RRR ranger…or a Spirit build…hell Trappers rock ALOT off unsuspecting foes :P

Nope. Since launch everyone cried for thieves to be nerfed. Thus we have continually been nerfed since then. Where now we only have 1-2 viable competitive builds. And even then the builds are not that great. So yea, we’ve been kittened about till finally we have been pidgeoned holed. Now it seems warriors taking the heat. Elementalists had it a little bit, guardians had it more. But thieves had it the worst.

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Posted by: Viking Jorun.5413

Viking Jorun.5413

The argument that warriors are the fastest in game is a fallacy. My thief runs a chasing build that can travel twice the distance a greatsword warrior can in the same period of time due to readily available and spammable teleports, and shadowstep chaining to travel a 6k distance in less than a second when a target is available every 25 seconds.

Another thing to note is that people explain the warrior and it’s strengths as if they’re all readily available in one build. Keep this in mind before you post your QQ.

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Posted by: Artaz.3819

Artaz.3819

The argument that warriors are the fastest in game is a fallacy. My thief runs a chasing build that can travel twice the distance a greatsword warrior can in the same period of time due to readily available and spammable teleports, and shadowstep chaining to travel a 6k distance in less than a second when a target is available every 25 seconds.

Another thing to note is that people explain the warrior and it’s strengths as if they’re all readily available in one build. Keep this in mind before you post your QQ.

Warrior’s have the fastest travel time out of combat but not in combat. You are forgetting weapon-swap Warrior’s Sword ‘2’ Leap (or Hammer F1) and Greatswords low cooldown talent. Technically, Warrior’s have the greatest potential for in combat distance creation except for Elementalists which have RoL/GFS (3, 4)/Lightning Flash which is all on long cooldowns or a Thief (with a properly placed Shadow Trap) or Mesmer (with a properly placed portal). However, practicality of Thief and Mesmer abilities being better is next to slim and none outside of sPvP.

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Posted by: LadyRhonwyn.2501

LadyRhonwyn.2501

I really must be doing something very wrong, as I have not died as much on any character (beside my ele) than on my warrior. I find it a very difficult class to play as I don’t seem to be able to take any hits… While my rangers could stand in a barrage of attacks and survive, my warrior takes two or three hits and goes down. And when she’s down, she will stay down because the downed skills are horrible.

Having said that, I do like playing her. The animations are just awesome. I just hope she’ll gain some more staying power when she grows up…

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Posted by: Rym.1469

Rym.1469

Welcome to the thief club. We’ve been getting kittened about since launch.

lol :P im pretty sure 70% off the people who moan are Ranger’s/ele’s atm…well ele’s i understand your pain…but face it getting our hands on you was like nailing jello to the effin wall …and that jello was a unstable mass ready to explode and kill everything nearby…:( and rangers…well i guess they woulda gotten the clue…Ranger does not SPECIFICALY MEAN ARCHER…u kno RANGER/ARCHER same number off letters…NOT the same thing try the RRR ranger…or a Spirit build…hell Trappers rock ALOT off unsuspecting foes :P

Sup, Archer Rangers perform best vs. stunlock warriors

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Posted by: Ryan.8367

Ryan.8367

Welcome to the thief club. We’ve been getting kittened about since launch.

lol :P im pretty sure 70% off the people who moan are Ranger’s/ele’s atm…well ele’s i understand your pain…but face it getting our hands on you was like nailing jello to the effin wall …and that jello was a unstable mass ready to explode and kill everything nearby…:( and rangers…well i guess they woulda gotten the clue…Ranger does not SPECIFICALY MEAN ARCHER…u kno RANGER/ARCHER same number off letters…NOT the same thing try the RRR ranger…or a Spirit build…hell Trappers rock ALOT off unsuspecting foes :P

Sup, Archer Rangers perform best vs. stunlock warriors

Actually BM is the most suitable build against a stun warrior because BM is the only ranger you can slot stun breaks into it and still be viable.

Traps, you cant because you need, voila, traps in your utilities which arent stun breaks
Spirits, you cant because you need, voila, spirits in your utilities which arent stun breaks.

Good warriors know when rampage as one is up, and if theyre running shield w/ reflect trait they’ll wait it out until that elite is done and then proceed back into the fight offensively..

Given that BM , spirit build, traps are really the only decent builds and to be honest they’ve been nerfed into the ground over the past year (and also lets be honest, even then you have classes that completely counter all 3 of them, that includes well played warriors) I wouldn’t count on it.

Anybody who mentiosn trapper against a stunlock warrior shouldn’t be taken seriously at all because they have no idea what they’re talking about.

Now enough about rangers and back onto warriors.

Warrior isn’t necessarily hard to play at the moment, but I don’t know if it’s op or just other classes need to be brought up to that level of gameplay.

Seems if you’re talking 1on1 situations the best are at the moment: Mesmer, thief and warrior.

In groups/zerg play they’re amazing as well due to on demand stuns / dmg and blast finishers on top of good tank that accomodates the zerg/group nicely especially when runnign with eles and guardians.

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Posted by: Harper.4173

Harper.4173

The argument that warriors are the fastest in game is a fallacy. My thief runs a chasing build that can travel twice the distance a greatsword warrior can in the same period of time due to readily available and spammable teleports, and shadowstep chaining to travel a 6k distance in less than a second when a target is available every 25 seconds.

Another thing to note is that people explain the warrior and it’s strengths as if they’re all readily available in one build. Keep this in mind before you post your QQ.

So true. I wish more people would understand.

If here they fall they shall live on when ever you cry “For Ascalon!”

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Posted by: Necrotize.2974

Necrotize.2974

The argument that warriors are the fastest in game is a fallacy. My thief runs a chasing build that can travel twice the distance a greatsword warrior can in the same period of time due to readily available and spammable teleports, and shadowstep chaining to travel a 6k distance in less than a second when a target is available every 25 seconds.

Another thing to note is that people explain the warrior and it’s strengths as if they’re all readily available in one build. Keep this in mind before you post your QQ.

So true. I wish more people would understand.

Still, warriors aren’t exactly slow by any sense of the word. Definitely above classes like guard and mesmer. Mesmer especially with their only reliable swiftness being temporal curtain which doesn’t stack or apply if you already have swiftness…

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

Well, there is also one more reason warriors are popular.

Gutts from Berserk.

I dare you to find another character representing another class which is half as awesome as that guy.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

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Posted by: Viking Jorun.5413

Viking Jorun.5413

The argument that warriors are the fastest in game is a fallacy. My thief runs a chasing build that can travel twice the distance a greatsword warrior can in the same period of time due to readily available and spammable teleports, and shadowstep chaining to travel a 6k distance in less than a second when a target is available every 25 seconds.

Another thing to note is that people explain the warrior and it’s strengths as if they’re all readily available in one build. Keep this in mind before you post your QQ.

So true. I wish more people would understand.

Still, warriors aren’t exactly slow by any sense of the word. Definitely above classes like guard and mesmer. Mesmer especially with their only reliable swiftness being temporal curtain which doesn’t stack or apply if you already have swiftness…

Guardians and mesmers are meant to be the slowest classes in the game, as well (hehe. It’s a pun) as necros. The ranger is actually faster than the warrior when autotargetting is off and they’re using sword/dagger+greatsword to maximize movement, as well as have permanent swiftness with shorter cooldowns than rush or whirlwind strike. The warrior however just takes less skill to be fast than thief or ranger. Elementalist is short behind warrior sitting at 4th place assuming a skilled player is behind the wheel and tied with engineer when it comes to speed and skill it takes to do so. Considering the fact that, when a skilled player is utilizing a mobile build, warrior is in 3rd place, I don’t see the issue. Ever had an engineer just up and leave when he starts losing a fight? They’re definitely fast.

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Posted by: Necrotize.2974

Necrotize.2974

The argument that warriors are the fastest in game is a fallacy. My thief runs a chasing build that can travel twice the distance a greatsword warrior can in the same period of time due to readily available and spammable teleports, and shadowstep chaining to travel a 6k distance in less than a second when a target is available every 25 seconds.

Another thing to note is that people explain the warrior and it’s strengths as if they’re all readily available in one build. Keep this in mind before you post your QQ.

So true. I wish more people would understand.

Still, warriors aren’t exactly slow by any sense of the word. Definitely above classes like guard and mesmer. Mesmer especially with their only reliable swiftness being temporal curtain which doesn’t stack or apply if you already have swiftness…

Guardians and mesmers are meant to be the slowest classes in the game, as well (hehe. It’s a pun) as necros. The ranger is actually faster than the warrior when autotargetting is off and they’re using sword/dagger+greatsword to maximize movement, as well as have permanent swiftness with shorter cooldowns than rush or whirlwind strike. The warrior however just takes less skill to be fast than thief or ranger. Elementalist is short behind warrior sitting at 4th place assuming a skilled player is behind the wheel and tied with engineer when it comes to speed and skill it takes to do so. Considering the fact that, when a skilled player is utilizing a mobile build, warrior is in 3rd place, I don’t see the issue. Ever had an engineer just up and leave when he starts losing a fight? They’re definitely fast.

I know, I’m basically saying that while they aren’t the fastest, their speed combined with their rooting power(stuns/immob/cripple) is a lot to throw on top of their passive regen. Basically means that unless you are 100% positive you can properly disengage, all you will accomplish in trying will be having a warrior who just regenned a good chunk of his health while you were trying to escape.

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Posted by: Tammuz.7361

Tammuz.7361

just because something is popular does not mean that it is a good idea: without giving too much away here are a few fun facts about what some of the guilds are running:
1) my guild runs 25-30% wars in our wvw group maximum
2) warriors are not even our most populous class (only coming in at #2)
3) other good guilds tend to run pretty close to the same ratio or even less warriors: and while they can confirm or refute this on their own, a few examples include

a) Scnd tends to run about our class ratio more or less
b) VII seems to run even fewer warriors than we do

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Posted by: Sad Swordfish.9743

Sad Swordfish.9743

Well, there is also one more reason warriors are popular.

Gutts from Berserk.

I dare you to find another character representing another class which is half as awesome as that guy.

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Posted by: Tremain.4623

Tremain.4623

With zero experience playing a warrior i started using one (standard hammer/LB) in spvp and my winning percentage shot way up. Not just that but the actual effort required to play was a mere fraction of what i had to put in as a thief or engineer, the two classes i have the most experience with. Warriors are popular because they are very very strong and require very little skill to be good at.

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Posted by: Julie Yann.5379

Julie Yann.5379

Funny how warrior used to be a very difficult class to master despite the simple mechanics (PvP, WvW). We were a “lol look another free kill” for so long that those who stuck with it got real good in order to win. Now that we got buffed those that did stick with it are just crushing those who used to lolz stomp us. Now they flood the forums with “OMG OP PLZ NERF I WANT MY EZ KILLZ BACK” threads.

I will admit that the warrior has become strong but I don’t think it is OP. I still get my kitten handed to me by some good players. You just have to work a little harder for your kill.

Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
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Posted by: avilo.1942

avilo.1942

I paraphrase what my GF told me in regards to why she likes her Warrior more than her Thief: “I don’t like clicking so many buttons and having to do all that stuff and move around so much”

lol

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Posted by: Daerian.6523

Daerian.6523

Well, there is also one more reason warriors are popular.

Gutts from Berserk.

I dare you to find another character representing another class which is half as awesome as that guy.

Challenge accepted.
Elementalist – Lina Inverse (Slayers)
Necromancer – Sandro (Heroes of M&M)
Mesmer – hard, illusionist are scarcely found. kitten ones even more.
Thief – Kuro Shinigami (Darker than Black), Shiki Tohno (Tsukihime) , Shiki Ryougi (Kara no Kyoukai)
Ranger – Link (Zelda series), Hawkeye (Marvel),
Engineer – Gilgamesh Wulfenbach (Girl Genius)
Guardian – Saber (Fate/Stay Night), Michael Carpenter (Dresden Files)

Bold ones can give Guts a run for his money in kittenery ;-)

Edit: Okey, bada** should be allowed ;-)

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Posted by: JETWING.2759

JETWING.2759

I see why warriors are so easi to kill…

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Posted by: Black Teagan.9215

Black Teagan.9215

I see why warriors are so easi to kill…

… :Bad playing players with predictable build?

This is at least my personal experience.

Caleb Ferendir
-Charr Thief-
It’s good to be bad!

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