Guild Wars 2

Noob question perhaps, but it has me baffled ATM … why is it that my Warrior, alone among the classes it seems, always dies even after Rallying and defeating the mob he was fighting.

I can’t figure which Rally skill is causing him to rally mid-fight (as opposed to when he manages to kill the mob who downed him as the other classes seem to do) and then causes him to die even when he defeats the mob.

I don’t recall ever surviving a successful fight on this class.

down skill 3 rallys the warrior, but only gives you a smallish chance on kill to come back to life.

So dont use it unless you know you are going to die from that mob.

mickers.2715:

down skill 3 rallys the warrior, but only gives you a smallish chance on kill to come back to life.

So dont use it unless you know you are going to die from that mob.

Unless you have the Sweet Revenge trait in the Discipline tree.

Ooops, I hit ‘delete’ by mistake. /cry

Thanks, when I’m rallying I don’t feel I have the time to read the tooltips very much, I missed that until you guys pointed it out to me.

Thanks.

Unless they’ve patched it ‘Sweet Revenge’ is NOT 100%.

The trait for Vengeance does make it 100%. It’s such an epic trait <3

I just wish Vengeance charged up a lot faster. It is alright in dungeons, but in solo PvE and any form of PvP you are dead before you can get a chance to use it.

Oglaf.1074:

I just wish Vengeance charged up a lot faster. It is alright in dungeons, but in solo PvE and any form of PvP you are dead before you can get a chance to use it.

You knock them down with 2, then vengeance up. Unless of course you’re getting piled on then you’re pretty much doomed anyway.

By “piled on” you of course mean two enemies, right?

Oglaf.1074:

By “piled on” you of course mean two enemies, right?

No, just one. If someone finishes and then finishes again after being knocked down, even if you time it perfectly, vengeance will not have recharged.

That being said I think it’s kind of okay as-is, other classes have to deal with something like that ele imobilize thing on their third skill which is pretty kitten in comparison

For those of us who haven’t unlocked sweet revenge it’s a good way to take someone down with you if you know you’re dying anyway in WvW… or at least get a shot at it.

Sometimes it’s great when you’re defending because it gives you a chance to run back to the fortress and die inside. / cries in the corner*

Writetyper.1985:

Oglaf.1074:

By “piled on” you of course mean two enemies, right?

No, just one. If someone finishes and then finishes again after being knocked down, even if you time it perfectly, vengeance will not have recharged.

That being said I think it’s kind of okay as-is, other classes have to deal with something like that ele imobilize thing on their third skill which is pretty kitten in comparison

The Ele immobilize was originally the 2 skill, which it should’ve remained as or changed into a knockback or something, giving them vapor instantly available for use as soon as they’re downed was quite a dumb move, just a bandaid instead of actually tweaking the abilities.

Skill 3 should be available instantly imo, when 1vs1 for ex and you get downed skill 3 is in instant cd,you can do skill 2 one time to interrupt him trying to fnish,and usually there isnt enough time to even use skill 3.If we are bound to die anyways ( like it happens 99% of the time when rallying ) Atleast let us rally right away after being downed to make it seem like downed state isnt completely broken and useless for a warrior.

Caedmon.6798:

Skill 3 should be available instantly imo, when 1vs1 for ex and you get downed skill 3 is in instant cd,you can do skill 2 one time to interrupt him trying to fnish,and usually there isnt enough time to even use skill 3.If we are bound to die anyways ( like it happens 99% of the time when rallying ) Atleast let us rally right away after being downed to make it seem like downed state isnt completely broken and useless for a warrior.

You’ve got to time your knockdown correctly on the person trying to finish you. If you knock them right before they jump you’ll have just enough time for them to start again and then you vengeance and make a kill (guaranteed to rally if you’ve got the Sweet Revenge trait).

Viking Jorun.5413:

Caedmon.6798:

Skill 3 should be available instantly imo, when 1vs1 for ex and you get downed skill 3 is in instant cd,you can do skill 2 one time to interrupt him trying to fnish,and usually there isnt enough time to even use skill 3.If we are bound to die anyways ( like it happens 99% of the time when rallying ) Atleast let us rally right away after being downed to make it seem like downed state isnt completely broken and useless for a warrior.

You’ve got to time your knockdown correctly on the person trying to finish you. If you knock them right before they jump you’ll have just enough time for them to start again and then you vengeance and make a kill (guaranteed to rally if you’ve got the Sweet Revenge trait).

Then explain a 2vs1 situation when you are downed ? And no im not changing my entire build just to get the vengance trait.

We should get something similar to the Guardian ability. Y’know, the bigass shield that knocks everyone around you back?

Maybe the downed Warrior farts hard enough to knock everyone around him? Or stomps with his leg, whatever…

Caedmon.6798:

Skill 3 should be available instantly imo, when 1vs1 for ex and you get downed skill 3 is in instant cd,you can do skill 2 one time to interrupt him trying to fnish,and usually there isnt enough time to even use skill 3.If we are bound to die anyways ( like it happens 99% of the time when rallying ) Atleast let us rally right away after being downed to make it seem like downed state isnt completely broken and useless for a warrior.

That would be way too OP. If you could vengeance straight away it would have a lot shorter duration and probably not allow stomping.

Vayra.3290:

Caedmon.6798:

Skill 3 should be available instantly imo, when 1vs1 for ex and you get downed skill 3 is in instant cd,you can do skill 2 one time to interrupt him trying to fnish,and usually there isnt enough time to even use skill 3.If we are bound to die anyways ( like it happens 99% of the time when rallying ) Atleast let us rally right away after being downed to make it seem like downed state isnt completely broken and useless for a warrior.

That would be way too OP. If you could vengeance straight away it would have a lot shorter duration and probably not allow stomping.

It would not be op at all,if you do not use the trait there is little chance you will outlive the rally anyways.Most classes can get up after getting downed,stealth away to keep dragging it,What do we got ? a useless kd that wont do a thing in a 2vs1 situation.If we are able to get up right after we have been downed we can still make a difference,and i dont even care if i die afterwards,its the point of making skill 3 into something usefull.

Caedmon.6798:

Vayra.3290:

Caedmon.6798:

Skill 3 should be available instantly imo, when 1vs1 for ex and you get downed skill 3 is in instant cd,you can do skill 2 one time to interrupt him trying to fnish,and usually there isnt enough time to even use skill 3.If we are bound to die anyways ( like it happens 99% of the time when rallying ) Atleast let us rally right away after being downed to make it seem like downed state isnt completely broken and useless for a warrior.

That would be way too OP. If you could vengeance straight away it would have a lot shorter duration and probably not allow stomping.

It would not be op at all,if you do not use the trait there is little chance you will outlive the rally anyways.Most classes can get up after getting downed,stealth away to keep dragging it,What do we got ? a useless kd that wont do a thing in a 2vs1 situation.If we are able to get up right after we have been downed we can still make a difference,and i dont even care if i die afterwards,its the point of making skill 3 into something usefull.

^This guy. This guy gets it.

Warrior downed state is useless in PvP.

Oglaf.1074:

We should get something similar to the Guardian ability. Y’know, the bigass shield that knocks everyone around you back?
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Trust me, as a guardian main, it’s not as useful as you think. Down skill 3, on the other hand, has saved my life more than once.

Tomkatt.1684:

Oglaf.1074:

We should get something similar to the Guardian ability. Y’know, the bigass shield that knocks everyone around you back?
.

Trust me, as a guardian main, it’s not as useful as you think. Down skill 3, on the other hand, has saved my life more than once.

It is a lot more useful than a single-target Knockdown, that’s for sure. It would allow you to get a Vengeance in perhaps one out of ten downs or something.

Oglaf.1074:

Tomkatt.1684:

Oglaf.1074:

We should get something similar to the Guardian ability. Y’know, the bigass shield that knocks everyone around you back?
.

Trust me, as a guardian main, it’s not as useful as you think. Down skill 3, on the other hand, has saved my life more than once.

It is a lot more useful than a single-target Knockdown, that’s for sure. It would allow you to get a Vengeance in perhaps one out of ten downs or something.

I’d be happy if they got rid of the cast times on Vengeance and Hammer Toss and fixed it so that Hammer Toss worked more often. I’ve lost track of the amount of times I’ve been stomped due to the knockdown failing to hit the dude even though he doesn’t have stability, stealth, or evasion

Oh, it’d also be great if the chance to rally off Vengeance worked 100% of the time when killing a player without the bloody trait.

Still better than the necro downed state though.

Perhaps removed the Knockback and replace it an AoE fear? This way it’s equal to the Guardians knockback.
I guess it could work via Shouting and scaring your enemies or something?