warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Why warriors are not overpowered.
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Ugh your post is giving me a headache. As much as I dislike all the hate towards warriors what you have just posted is a mess.
You do know that SPAM isn’t just a type of horrible canned food but an actual word right?
The only thing being spammed is your use of the word “spam”
All of these classes have different mechanics, the only class that can spam anything is a thief and if they do they thief=dead.
Elementalist spamming skills? Again Ele=dead
Please revise your post.
Ugh your post is giving me a headache. As much as I dislike all the hate towards warriors what you have just posted is a mess.
You do know that SPAM isn’t just a type of horrible canned food but an actual word right?
The only thing being spammed is your use of the word “spam”
All of these classes have different mechanics, the only class that can spam anything is a thief and if they do they thief=dead.
Elementalist spamming skills? Again Ele=dead
Please revise your post.
Compared to a warrior almost anything can be labeled as spamming :P If you can reapply somthing over and over again with relatively short cool downs thats spamming. If you want to challenge that compare cool downs of mesmer invulnerability to anything that warrior has which technically warriors have no invulnerability skills. The only ones they have that are incorrectly called invuln skills are on 1 minute long timers.
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
(edited by Warlord.9074)
Ugh your post is giving me a headache. As much as I dislike all the hate towards warriors what you have just posted is a mess.
You do know that SPAM isn’t just a type of horrible canned food but an actual word right?
The only thing being spammed is your use of the word “spam”
All of these classes have different mechanics, the only class that can spam anything is a thief and if they do they thief=dead.
Elementalist spamming skills? Again Ele=dead
Please revise your post.
Compared to a warrior almost anything can be labeled as spamming :P If you can reapply somthing over and over again with relatively short cool downs thats spamming. If you want to challenge that compare cool downs of mesmer invulnerability to anything that warrior has which technically warriors have no invulnerability skills. The only ones they have that are incorrectly called invuln skills are on 1 minute long timers.
So….. I can spam damage with my auto attack? Nerf please
Edit: But I do see your point, but saying that is like saying a Mesmer can spam Mantras, or a Guardian can spam Meditations. Its a subset type of skills for a class. Only the thief is an exception and that is because of class design as well.
Edit2: Saying a Mesmer can spam mantras is hilarious.
Ugh your post is giving me a headache. As much as I dislike all the hate towards warriors what you have just posted is a mess.
You do know that SPAM isn’t just a type of horrible canned food but an actual word right?
The only thing being spammed is your use of the word “spam”
All of these classes have different mechanics, the only class that can spam anything is a thief and if they do they thief=dead.
Elementalist spamming skills? Again Ele=dead
Please revise your post.
Compared to a warrior almost anything can be labeled as spamming :P If you can reapply somthing over and over again with relatively short cool downs thats spamming. If you want to challenge that compare cool downs of mesmer invulnerability to anything that warrior has which technically warriors have no invulnerability skills. The only ones they have that are incorrectly called invuln skills are on 1 minute long timers.
So….. I can spam damage with my auto attack? Nerf please
Edit: But I do see your point, but saying that is like saying a Mesmer can spam Mantras, or a Guardian can spam Meditations. Its a subset type of skills for a class. Only the thief is an exception and that is because of class design as well.Edit2: Saying a Mesmer can spam mantras is hilarious.
Ya I never made the case they can spam mantras. Guardians spam boons, and heals. I think guards are in a good spot. No problem with guards becasue they mostly spam defensive abilities.
ya the auto attack thing is funny, but ya auto attack on a warrior 130 range, and besides maybe axes none of the autos are decent. Good luck landing a axe chain on any of the professions i mentioned. But any class can auto attack so that doesn’t really give warriors a 1 leg up on the competition.
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
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The second edit was just me realizing my own mistake in saying that Mesmers could ever spam mantras. Because you know they have long cast times. But in my post I was reffering to the type of skill, not the effect those skills produce. Even if they are mostly the same.
I think a more accurate way of describing what I am saying is simply compare the weapon sets of Other professions vaible builds or builds that can counter warriors. To warrior weapon sets. And you will see the other professions weapon sets. And no don’t compare 100 blades to anything. The skill isn’t that easy to pull off and requires us to use CC swap weapons and most cases you wont land all the hits.
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Lets examine other professions abilities and how these mechanics are not only extremely annoying but under the control of competent players are strait up over powered.
Mesmer, Invulnerability spam (evading is close enough) Stealth spam, Blink and teleport spam, Clone spam. Range, Confusion, interrupts, CC Kiting
Thief, Blind Spam, (Blind spam is the big one.) Its ridiculously overpowered in the right hands. stealth spam.
Elementalist, AOE spam, CC spam, Regen spam, boon spam, Range ( D/D and S/D is 300/600 range. Before you make the case that is melee compare it to warrior or melee cleave =130 range Kiting
Necro. Condi Spam, Fear Spam, Army of pets. Multiple HP bars. AOE spam.
Ranger not worth mentioning.
Guardians are in a good place.
Engis are in a good spot. The AOE CC spam is a bit much.
There you have it. What does warrior spam? Pretty much nothing and everything is telegraphed.
Lets compare other classes and warriors in a graph.
As you can see the graph the only players warriors have no problem beating are bad players. It is much harder for a warrior to beat a competent player of another profession than it is for a competent player of another profession to beat a warrior.
just got off work so i’m kinda tired but browsed the fourms and found this so I want to comment I apologize if I say or word anything wrong.
I have all 8 professions and I completely agree with you.
warrior has so many common myths about them it’s laughable actually had someone tell me warriors have the highest dps in the game. which if false.
at best warriors are about half way in that department. hell a power necro gets easier access to might and more dps then a warrior on a single target. the only comparable skill between power necro and warrior is axe mainhand. which is slow 3+ sec to complete a entire chain. vs 2.1 sec for dagger.
merciless hammer nerf… warrior have a grand total of 2 skills that can make any decent to good use of that trait they are the infamous skull crack and earthshaker. with that said warrior do get pummel bash and shield bash both which add a gran total of 1 sec stun each one attack is basically all your likely ot get out of the hammer. (knock down doesn’t count)
yeah 100 blades hits like a truck over a 3 sec time limit but lets face it one two steps back wards and your golden.
i’ll admit necro’s attacks don’t cleave but dear bloody hell lich form is better then any elite the warrior has dps wise. (i’ll concede that battle standard can be better). on top of that you get minions bone minions explode hits like a brick and also is a blast finisher allowing for aoe blind retal or weakness depending on the field your running.
mesmers are the king of small fights their clones can easily disorient any player long enough for a Mesmer to reek havoc unless you have powerful enough aoe which in case of the warrior depends on the build. that is ofc if a Mesmer knows what it’s doing.
hell their 2.5 sec invul skill is on a 12 sec cd.
we get a 3 sec invuln (traitable to 5) on a minute.
thieves take your pick enough evade skills to avoid a lot of dps unless the actually spam or capable of stealthing easily. as with the Mesmer can kill what you can’t actually hit.
that’s just some of the stuff that could be mentioned when they bring up (high armor and highest health pool although necro does actually have a higher one since death shroud fill up easily and can be used as a extra life bar (although that is bad play on a necros part as they shoud be making use of death shroud but you are going to take a hit or two in it)
people gripe about how much mobility the warrior which lets be honest while i’ll admit warrior can get somewhere fast there is more to mobility then swiftness and rush skills. warrior has no teleports meaning their movements are predictable and a cripple or chill will redce the range of their movement. it has 1 good source of vigor war horn and they have no evade skills minus whirling blade.
(edited by wildfang.9670)
Ugh your post is giving me a headache. As much as I dislike all the hate towards warriors what you have just posted is a mess.
You do know that SPAM isn’t just a type of horrible canned food but an actual word right?
The only thing being spammed is your use of the word “spam”
All of these classes have different mechanics, the only class that can spam anything is a thief and if they do they thief=dead.
Elementalist spamming skills? Again Ele=dead
Please revise your post.
Compared to a warrior almost anything can be labeled as spamming :P If you can reapply somthing over and over again with relatively short cool downs thats spamming. If you want to challenge that compare cool downs of mesmer invulnerability to anything that warrior has which technically warriors have no invulnerability skills. The only ones they have that are incorrectly called invuln skills are on 1 minute long timers.
So….. I can spam damage with my auto attack? Nerf please
Edit: But I do see your point, but saying that is like saying a Mesmer can spam Mantras, or a Guardian can spam Meditations. Its a subset type of skills for a class. Only the thief is an exception and that is because of class design as well.Edit2: Saying a Mesmer can spam mantras is hilarious.
what he’s saying is that profession are defensive in very different ways. a common complain being warrior has too much health too much armor. yet the more fragile professions are much better at damage mitigation then a warrior.
if you play a theif like you play a warrior theif is going to go down no questions asked. yet you can not play a warrior like you play a thief a Mesmer or a necro.
it’s not that only bad players play warriors it’s that warrior play differently because they lack certain things.
things like stealth clones simply can not be measured by simple numbers. things like death shroud when measured will shw that a necro can have much higher health then a warrior in performance.
it’s a lot of grass is greener on the other side then actually understanding warriors strengths and weaknesses.
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All I can read is “spam” “spam” “spam”.
Irony.
“Dear ANet, nerf Paper, Scissors is fine. Sincerely, Rock”
Elysaurus | Warrior | [LOL] | League of the Legendary | Gandara (EU)
All I can read is “spam” “spam” “spam”.
Irony.
Thats because that is what they do. Over and Over and over.
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Lowest skill cap class is necro not warrior . From ez mode to hard mode list
- necro
- warrior and thief same skill cap
- ranger
- guard
- Mesmer
- engi
-ele
Necromancer is first? I admit their condition variations are fairly face roll, but if you can somehow get on them, they’re dead. There is no kiting for heals or immunities, they are dead.
From easiest to hardest imo: Warrior, Necromancer, Guardian, Thief, Ranger, Mesmer, Engineer, Ele.
Warrior would definitely be first on my list. I put thief far higher on that scale because there is far more room for error since they have to exchange blows at the same time as their opponents (no cc’s built in). Their major heals and condition removals are also in their stealth usage which gives their opponents an equally long break.
Warrior is just a big ball of almost everything, the opportune moment to kill them is during their cc’s and hope they don’t catch on fast enough to retreat for heals. At OP, warriors are not overpowered, they’re simply far too effective for the amount of effort they require to play forcing their opponents to make minimal mistakes against someone with less skill. If warriors become less effective against better opponents, then buff their active abilities and nerf the living daylights out of all this passive game play.
Makonne – Hybrid Regen Ranger
All anybody does in these Profession forums anymore is defend their class and attack others, and god forbid if someone comes-a-knockin’ dissing your profession.
You are all a bunch of children and you should be ashamed of yourselves.