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Posted by: Lord Pain.3480

Lord Pain.3480

Hey guys, I have a build that I created by looking at a bunch of others and messed around with it and i was wondering if any of you WvW commanders (Warriors ofc) can make suggestions about anything or post their own builds. I’m running hammer and Sword/Warhorn for stuns, decent dps, and lots of support on the warhorn. Check it out and let me know! Thanks!

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vIEQNBiYDbkpjOPr8wxD6QDIoHaYWsFmC/Q6BawGpBA-zECBYLERz0yBiKQZO7pIaslRFRjVvATXiIq2DoIa1kC4ixAA-w

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Posted by: Flissy.4093

Flissy.4093

It’s a terrible build:

  • Great Fortitude is an awful trait, remove it
  • You are lacking Cleansing Ire – replace Last Stand
  • Healing shouts are still awful for a 30 point investment
  • I personally don’t like Defy Pain, it’s unreliable and will often proc when you do not need it due to conditions. Merciless Hammer would be better, or putting points in a different line
  • Full Soldier is the worst idea in the world. Replace your trinkets for Berserker
  • Impact Sigil is not a good choice. Players spend very little time on their backs – why would you take it over Force? I’d use Hydromancy on the Hammer, though. And why on earth is this on your Sword? Hydromancy is also good here.
  • If you’re using Melandru runes (right choice) you should be using Lemongrass Poultry soup.
  • Dolyak Signet is absolutely much worse than Balanced Stance as you don’t have Signet Mastery.

That is all.

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Posted by: Radian.2478

Radian.2478

I guess it depends on what you are planning on doing and the size of zergs you are wanting to command. The build isn’t that terrible but Merciless hammer and Cleansing Ire are pretty mandatory for a hammer build. If you want my build, I use GS+S/Shield like this:

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fIMQNAR8ejkOtwxQqQMRCE0DN8K2CTheQVAPSKEjBE-jEyAorITMCE5AO7VEN2yYR0Y1LY6SioaPeR0qjBgJ-w

While full soldier is bad in many places, it’s actually not bad for a commander build. It turns out that the diminishing returns is actually still worth it to take. As a commander, you don’t want to be taking a death. A dead commander is a useless commander. If you are commanding a bunch of clueless pugs, they will become even more useless when you are dead. Enemy zergs will see your commander tag and focus you, which is one reason why I’m full defense. I pretty much just charge in front and try to get as many of the enemy zerg on me as possible to negate damage from my teammates while I pop my invulnerability. This build can also banner a champ by popping all 3 of the stances and it will work every time. You just swap banner in before you need it while ooc. It’s also a fast moving build and can escape when needed. Hammer is probably the best zerg vs zerg weapon for warrior because of it’s CC but I don’t use it for my commanding set up since I want to be as fast as possible.

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Posted by: Flissy.4093

Flissy.4093

As a commander, you don’t want to be taking a death. A dead commander is a useless commander. If you are commanding a bunch of clueless pugs, they will become even more useless when you are dead. Enemy zergs will see your commander tag and focus you, which is one reason why I’m full defense.

  • If a Commander is relying on full soldier for survival, your positioning is poor and that needs improving rather than being more tanky.
  • Dead commander useless commander? That’s like the old “dead dps = no dps” argument.
  • Enemy zergs won’t see your commander tag. Only a couple of players who actually have accidentally targetted you may notice your buff – they can’t actually see the dorito over your head.
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Posted by: KarlusDavius.1024

KarlusDavius.1024

Apologies but I disagree with most of that flissy says. Shout builds are ok for commanders if your looking for a starter build to practice with. They are not redundant or awful at all.

Personally I run a 10/0/30/0/30 build with s~sh/hammer. PVT (soldiers) armor with berserker trinkets and melandru runes. I do hefty damage and can absorb a lot of damage AT&T be same time. I run healing signet, balanced, endure and berserkers stance.

I can’t give you a build link as I’m on my iPad however can probably pop back tomorrow. Just remember your are only as good as the people around you. Your build could and should play off the others around you. Party composition is important now due to buff sharing, so if your dying or struggling, don’t assume it’s your build that’s an issue!

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Posted by: Radian.2478

Radian.2478

As a commander, you don’t want to be taking a death. A dead commander is a useless commander. If you are commanding a bunch of clueless pugs, they will become even more useless when you are dead. Enemy zergs will see your commander tag and focus you, which is one reason why I’m full defense.

  • If a Commander is relying on full soldier for survival, your positioning is poor and that needs improving rather than being more tanky.
  • Dead commander useless commander? That’s like the old “dead dps = no dps” argument.
  • Enemy zergs won’t see your commander tag. Only a couple of players who actually have accidentally targetted you may notice your buff – they can’t actually see the dorito over your head.

Like I said, I like to take full aggro and get as much people on me as possible so that they focus me while I pop my defense skills and allow my teammates in my zerg to not be getting hit as much which is one reason I have full PTV. Of course a dead commander is a useless commander, especially when commanding pugs. The commander is the one dropping siege and telling people where to go so if you die, you might as well ask for another zergling to tag up while trying to shout directions and hope that people do what you say. Also, I have definitely noticed commanders are more likely to get hit in zerg vs zerg. Every zerg has players that tab around specifically to find the commander and then try to kill the commander since he/she is considered the most useful person in the zerg. Of course they can’t see the blue tag over my head but it’s extremely easy to tab over to find the commander when the commander is in front (like me) and just targeting the nearest person usually gets me too. In an average zerg vs zerg it takes me 7 seconds of tabbing to find the commander.

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Posted by: Julie Yann.5379

Julie Yann.5379

Not a terrible build, I would use soldier runes if you want to go healing shouts. Might as well make the most of those shouts and help cleanse your people. I would change change some of the trinkets to knights and the sigils on your weapons. Drop Great Fortitude and put those points into Discipline to get either Signet Mastery or Inspiring Shouts. Also change the warhorn trait for Empower Allies, it’s a great DPS boost for you and your teammates. Cleansing ire is a must, Merciless hammer is recommended but if have your heart set on having Defy Pain or Last Stand put in the last slot and forgo the hammer trait (Last Stand is better IMHO cause mobility is the key to survial). The build looks like this, your are still an incredible meat shield but your skills and traits will have better synergy with the rest of your group.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vIEQNBiYDbkpjOPr8wxD6QDIoHaYVwFqC2R6BaQGpBA-z0CBYLERzEEw0yA0HQUBJL7pIasVWFRjVvATXSQVdKx+DFRrmUAXMGA-w

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Posted by: TheJewpacabro.2907

TheJewpacabro.2907

Just max cleansing and stability , start tank then keep adding damage til you start dropping.

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Posted by: Beleth.8249

Beleth.8249

This:

Just max cleansing and stability , start tank then keep adding damage til you start dropping.

But not a bad build, it will do but could be fine tuned a little.

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Posted by: Shifu.4321

Shifu.4321

You can also use 0/0/20/30/20,which I prefer due to fast hands.

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Posted by: KarlusDavius.1024

KarlusDavius.1024

I use a 0/0/25/30/15 for fast hands. Minor trait in defence is worth it

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