i totally agree no matter which build i try its always lackluster and weaker than the original traits basically cuz u cant take anything other than strength/defense/disci for a decent power build, i also tried celestial and condi builds but didn’t work due to the very short time of applied burning and useless primal burst skills all of them are a weaker or a useless version of the original burst skills except maybe the mace primal burst for a condi build and the rifle for a hybrid build which is still not good enough and lastly yes i miss head butt 60% of the time due to the kitten short range, in conclusion berserker doesnt work for pve or pvp wither condi, clele or power build u r better of without the berserker trait line which is very sad as it was my last hope for my main war
am i missing something
I think the general consensus is that the warrior has too many mandatory traits (Defense & Discipline for solo play and pvp, then Tactics+Strength if you’re doing group pve…) to fit in another line. Our build choices are extremely crippled and limited because of this, making the Berserker feel rather subpar.
You guys really need to play warrior differently to utilize the berserker.
Make sure you are using your burst skills, both in berserker and out.
I know its something that many of us never did, simply because we deal more damage with a full adrenaline bar…. but this is amazing.
I find that “To the Limit!” when coupled with the Restorative Strength, and Phalanx Strength traits, provides an excellent way to utilize the burst skills and immediately replenish your adrenaline after while buffing your party with might stacks. The new skill, outrage, also works wonders with a build built around bursting.
My rotation is
100b->burst-> frenzy -> to the limit->zerk->burst->outrage->100b-> burst
And that’s probably not even the most optimal of rotations…. i’m still learning but it definitely works.
Try it out.
(edited by TheBlackLeech.9360)
You guys really need to play warrior differently to utilize the berserker.
Make sure you are using your burst skills, both in berserker and out.
I know its something that many of us never did, simply because we deal more damage with a full adrenaline bar…. but this is amazing.
I find that “To the Limit!” when coupled with the Restorative Strength, and Phalanx Strength traits, provides an excellent way to utilize the burst skills and immediately replenish your adrenaline after while buffing your party with might stacks. The new skill, outrage, also works wonders with a build built around bursting.
My rotation is
100b->burst-> frenzy -> to the limit->zerk->burst->outrage->100b-> burstAnd that’s probably not even the most optimal of rotations…. i’m still learning but it definitely works.
Try it out.
im sorry but no… and for many reasons
You guys really need to play warrior differently to utilize the berserker.
Make sure you are using your burst skills, both in berserker and out.
I know its something that many of us never did, simply because we deal more damage with a full adrenaline bar…. but this is amazing.
I find that “To the Limit!” when coupled with the Restorative Strength, and Phalanx Strength traits, provides an excellent way to utilize the burst skills and immediately replenish your adrenaline after while buffing your party with might stacks. The new skill, outrage, also works wonders with a build built around bursting.
My rotation is
100b->burst-> frenzy -> to the limit->zerk->burst->outrage->100b-> burstAnd that’s probably not even the most optimal of rotations…. i’m still learning but it definitely works.
Try it out.
im sorry but no… and for many reasons
One of those reasons being that you are xenophobic and/or afraid to try new things?
Warriors were once dps characters long before they took a back seat on the dps role to become a might/banner bot.
I really believe that berserker has the potential to put warriors back up in the dps ranks.
You guys really need to play warrior differently to utilize the berserker.
Make sure you are using your burst skills, both in berserker and out.
I know its something that many of us never did, simply because we deal more damage with a full adrenaline bar…. but this is amazing.
I find that “To the Limit!” when coupled with the Restorative Strength, and Phalanx Strength traits, provides an excellent way to utilize the burst skills and immediately replenish your adrenaline after while buffing your party with might stacks. The new skill, outrage, also works wonders with a build built around bursting.
My rotation is
100b->burst-> frenzy -> to the limit->zerk->burst->outrage->100b-> burstAnd that’s probably not even the most optimal of rotations…. i’m still learning but it definitely works.
Try it out.
im sorry but no… and for many reasons
One of those reasons being that you are xenophobic and/or afraid to try new things?
Warriors were once dps characters long before they took a back seat on the dps role to become a might/banner bot.
I really believe that berserker has the potential to put warriors back up in the dps ranks.
No because you don’t know how to do math. However what you are right about is berserker and its role for dps. That’s what it’s there for, it just can’t do it. I already went over this in the feedback thread. But by all means keep trying
You guys really need to play warrior differently to utilize the berserker.
Make sure you are using your burst skills, both in berserker and out.
I know its something that many of us never did, simply because we deal more damage with a full adrenaline bar…. but this is amazing.
I find that “To the Limit!” when coupled with the Restorative Strength, and Phalanx Strength traits, provides an excellent way to utilize the burst skills and immediately replenish your adrenaline after while buffing your party with might stacks. The new skill, outrage, also works wonders with a build built around bursting.
My rotation is
100b->burst-> frenzy -> to the limit->zerk->burst->outrage->100b-> burstAnd that’s probably not even the most optimal of rotations…. i’m still learning but it definitely works.
Try it out.
im sorry but no… and for many reasons
One of those reasons being that you are xenophobic and/or afraid to try new things?
Warriors were once dps characters long before they took a back seat on the dps role to become a might/banner bot.
I really believe that berserker has the potential to put warriors back up in the dps ranks.No because you don’t know how to do math. However what you are right about is berserker and its role for dps. That’s what it’s there for, it just can’t do it. I already went over this in the feedback thread. But by all means keep trying
I can tell that you have a hard time letting go of axe mace by the way you complain about having to drop tactics for berserker in the traits… instead of dropping arms.
Camp greatsword and you would have no issues with losing damage, since you won’t be swapping to weapons you aren’t traited in, and the increased attack speed hands down demolishes any attack speed increase axe autos would give over gs autos.
Imagine every time you would swap from gs to axe mace (since you burned your cooldowns), you instead went into berserker mode.
You’re doing it wrong.
;-)
You guys really need to play warrior differently to utilize the berserker.
Make sure you are using your burst skills, both in berserker and out.
I know its something that many of us never did, simply because we deal more damage with a full adrenaline bar…. but this is amazing.
I find that “To the Limit!” when coupled with the Restorative Strength, and Phalanx Strength traits, provides an excellent way to utilize the burst skills and immediately replenish your adrenaline after while buffing your party with might stacks. The new skill, outrage, also works wonders with a build built around bursting.
My rotation is
100b->burst-> frenzy -> to the limit->zerk->burst->outrage->100b-> burstAnd that’s probably not even the most optimal of rotations…. i’m still learning but it definitely works.
Try it out.
im sorry but no… and for many reasons
One of those reasons being that you are xenophobic and/or afraid to try new things?
Warriors were once dps characters long before they took a back seat on the dps role to become a might/banner bot.
I really believe that berserker has the potential to put warriors back up in the dps ranks.No because you don’t know how to do math. However what you are right about is berserker and its role for dps. That’s what it’s there for, it just can’t do it. I already went over this in the feedback thread. But by all means keep trying
I can tell that you have a hard time letting go of axe mace by the way you complain about having to drop tactics for berserker in the traits… instead of dropping arms.
Camp greatsword and you would have no issues with losing damage, since you won’t be swapping to weapons you aren’t traited in, and the increased attack speed hands down demolishes any attack speed increase axe autos would give over gs autos.
Imagine every time you would swap from gs to axe mace (since you burned your cooldowns), you instead went into berserker mode.
You’re doing it wrong.
;-)
but it doesnt work this way. The entire reason I wouldnt drop arms isnt because of axe mace, its because its the only thing that supports any kind of condi/1hs/bleeding. Why give us a condi/dps elite and not condi and and not improve dps? even if you CAN dps near or equal to warrior with berserker, which you cant, why bother? youre losing support and doing the same or less damage. It just doesnt make sense
You guys really need to play warrior differently to utilize the berserker.
Make sure you are using your burst skills, both in berserker and out.
I know its something that many of us never did, simply because we deal more damage with a full adrenaline bar…. but this is amazing.
I find that “To the Limit!” when coupled with the Restorative Strength, and Phalanx Strength traits, provides an excellent way to utilize the burst skills and immediately replenish your adrenaline after while buffing your party with might stacks. The new skill, outrage, also works wonders with a build built around bursting.
My rotation is
100b->burst-> frenzy -> to the limit->zerk->burst->outrage->100b-> burstAnd that’s probably not even the most optimal of rotations…. i’m still learning but it definitely works.
Try it out.
im sorry but no… and for many reasons
One of those reasons being that you are xenophobic and/or afraid to try new things?
Warriors were once dps characters long before they took a back seat on the dps role to become a might/banner bot.
I really believe that berserker has the potential to put warriors back up in the dps ranks.No because you don’t know how to do math. However what you are right about is berserker and its role for dps. That’s what it’s there for, it just can’t do it. I already went over this in the feedback thread. But by all means keep trying
I can tell that you have a hard time letting go of axe mace by the way you complain about having to drop tactics for berserker in the traits… instead of dropping arms.
Camp greatsword and you would have no issues with losing damage, since you won’t be swapping to weapons you aren’t traited in, and the increased attack speed hands down demolishes any attack speed increase axe autos would give over gs autos.
Imagine every time you would swap from gs to axe mace (since you burned your cooldowns), you instead went into berserker mode.
You’re doing it wrong.
;-)
but it doesnt work this way. The entire reason I wouldnt drop arms isnt because of axe mace, its because its the only thing that supports any kind of condi/1hs/bleeding. Why give us a condi/dps elite and not condi and and not improve dps? even if you CAN dps near or equal to warrior with berserker, which you cant, why bother? youre losing support and doing the same or less damage. It just doesnt make sense
So you are saying you wont replace arms with berzerker for two traits, the one that applies bleed and the other that deals more damage to bleeding foes…?
…and you don’t think that being able to use your burst skill every few seconds more than makes up for this? in addition to the burning? and the blood reaction trait?
You guys really need to play warrior differently to utilize the berserker.
Make sure you are using your burst skills, both in berserker and out.
I know its something that many of us never did, simply because we deal more damage with a full adrenaline bar…. but this is amazing.
I find that “To the Limit!” when coupled with the Restorative Strength, and Phalanx Strength traits, provides an excellent way to utilize the burst skills and immediately replenish your adrenaline after while buffing your party with might stacks. The new skill, outrage, also works wonders with a build built around bursting.
My rotation is
100b->burst-> frenzy -> to the limit->zerk->burst->outrage->100b-> burstAnd that’s probably not even the most optimal of rotations…. i’m still learning but it definitely works.
Try it out.
im sorry but no… and for many reasons
One of those reasons being that you are xenophobic and/or afraid to try new things?
Warriors were once dps characters long before they took a back seat on the dps role to become a might/banner bot.
I really believe that berserker has the potential to put warriors back up in the dps ranks.No because you don’t know how to do math. However what you are right about is berserker and its role for dps. That’s what it’s there for, it just can’t do it. I already went over this in the feedback thread. But by all means keep trying
I can tell that you have a hard time letting go of axe mace by the way you complain about having to drop tactics for berserker in the traits… instead of dropping arms.
Camp greatsword and you would have no issues with losing damage, since you won’t be swapping to weapons you aren’t traited in, and the increased attack speed hands down demolishes any attack speed increase axe autos would give over gs autos.
Imagine every time you would swap from gs to axe mace (since you burned your cooldowns), you instead went into berserker mode.
You’re doing it wrong.
;-)
but it doesnt work this way. The entire reason I wouldnt drop arms isnt because of axe mace, its because its the only thing that supports any kind of condi/1hs/bleeding. Why give us a condi/dps elite and not condi and and not improve dps? even if you CAN dps near or equal to warrior with berserker, which you cant, why bother? youre losing support and doing the same or less damage. It just doesnt make sense
So you are saying you wont replace arms with berzerker for two traits, the one that applies bleed and the other that deals more damage to bleeding foes…?
…and you don’t think that being able to use your burst skill every few seconds more than makes up for this? in addition to the burning? and the blood reaction trait?
and again, youre wrong. the burning durations are so low they barely stack into any decent damage. Theres no modifier for damage against burning foes. And you CANT use your burst skill every “few” seconds, they have kitten cd and berserker lasts 15 seconds. Sword absolutely sucks for the most part and the berserker is somewhat built around it, if the sword was BETTER baseline then no, you may not need arms, but due to the sword trait being in it, yes, we take it. Berserker helps so little with dps you need anything you can get. Please post a video of your burning doing over 80-12k ticks whi,e maintaining 2-5k hits via power. thats the only way Berserker dps is even close to what baseline warrior does.
I hope you dont think im attacking you because im not. Im happy you like the Berserker believe it or not, I really am. Im ecstatic actually. I have 1k hours on warrior but it was never my main until recently, I Really fell in love with it. I wanted to do NOTHING but play warrior and reaper this beta, and I ended up putting reaper to the side because it felt so good I barely needed to test it. Berserker broke my heart and I ended up spending time on Rev
You guys really need to play warrior differently to utilize the berserker.
Make sure you are using your burst skills, both in berserker and out.
I know its something that many of us never did, simply because we deal more damage with a full adrenaline bar…. but this is amazing.
I find that “To the Limit!” when coupled with the Restorative Strength, and Phalanx Strength traits, provides an excellent way to utilize the burst skills and immediately replenish your adrenaline after while buffing your party with might stacks. The new skill, outrage, also works wonders with a build built around bursting.
My rotation is
100b->burst-> frenzy -> to the limit->zerk->burst->outrage->100b-> burstAnd that’s probably not even the most optimal of rotations…. i’m still learning but it definitely works.
Try it out.
I ’ve played Condi and Hybrid warrior builds for quite long, I still do for fun. I am used to play warrior differently compared to the good-old GS burst builds.
To keep this post small and avoid mentioning stuff that have been told many times I will simply say the following…
1) Play the Warrior as you like, play the Berserker Warrior however you want… No matter what, as Warrior is right now, your damage output will be significantly less than that of a GS burst build. If you drop Strength, no matter what you pick (even the new Berserker) won’t be as good.
2) Most of the time (in PvP/WvW) you are forced to go Discipline (for Fast Hands & Warrior’s Sprint) and Defense (for double Endure Pain & traited stances/ire) just to have acceptable survivability and versatility. If you drop one of these in favor of Berserker, you just die quite fast.
3) Berserker damage is lacking compared to the popular Warrior burst builds. Eventhough Berserker utilizes burning, its damage is low as its duration is low. Try to pair it with Sword or Mace into a condi heavy build and will still be lacking. Rage skills aren’t that good to replace stances. Actually Rage skills, although interesting to some extend, can’t convince anyone to drop stances for them.
On a battlefield were most professions have active defenses, half use ranged attacks and everyone deal lots of damage (no matter how much armor and health you got), a Warrior, that has so limited defense options (stances, shield block and GS evade) best chance is to deal equally high amount of damage.
(edited by Ilias.8647)
You guys really need to play warrior differently to utilize the berserker.
Make sure you are using your burst skills, both in berserker and out.
I know its something that many of us never did, simply because we deal more damage with a full adrenaline bar…. but this is amazing.
I find that “To the Limit!” when coupled with the Restorative Strength, and Phalanx Strength traits, provides an excellent way to utilize the burst skills and immediately replenish your adrenaline after while buffing your party with might stacks. The new skill, outrage, also works wonders with a build built around bursting.
My rotation is
100b->burst-> frenzy -> to the limit->zerk->burst->outrage->100b-> burstAnd that’s probably not even the most optimal of rotations…. i’m still learning but it definitely works.
Try it out.
im sorry but no… and for many reasons
One of those reasons being that you are xenophobic and/or afraid to try new things?
Warriors were once dps characters long before they took a back seat on the dps role to become a might/banner bot.
I really believe that berserker has the potential to put warriors back up in the dps ranks.No because you don’t know how to do math. However what you are right about is berserker and its role for dps. That’s what it’s there for, it just can’t do it. I already went over this in the feedback thread. But by all means keep trying
I can tell that you have a hard time letting go of axe mace by the way you complain about having to drop tactics for berserker in the traits… instead of dropping arms.
Camp greatsword and you would have no issues with losing damage, since you won’t be swapping to weapons you aren’t traited in, and the increased attack speed hands down demolishes any attack speed increase axe autos would give over gs autos.
Imagine every time you would swap from gs to axe mace (since you burned your cooldowns), you instead went into berserker mode.
You’re doing it wrong.
;-)
but it doesnt work this way. The entire reason I wouldnt drop arms isnt because of axe mace, its because its the only thing that supports any kind of condi/1hs/bleeding. Why give us a condi/dps elite and not condi and and not improve dps? even if you CAN dps near or equal to warrior with berserker, which you cant, why bother? youre losing support and doing the same or less damage. It just doesnt make sense
So you are saying you wont replace arms with berzerker for two traits, the one that applies bleed and the other that deals more damage to bleeding foes…?
…and you don’t think that being able to use your burst skill every few seconds more than makes up for this? in addition to the burning? and the blood reaction trait?
And you CANT use your burst skill every “few” seconds, they have kitten cd and berserker lasts 15 seconds.
Since you dont care about the burning anyway…
Smash Brawler Trait.
come on man…
The gs primal burst has a 5sec cd which is reduced to basically nothing when traited. You can burst ~3 times while in berserker mode, and then it goes on cd for 15 seconds, which is when you use your normal bursts which have a cd of ~7seconds.
to the limit, signet of fury, frenzy, headbutt + outrage all restore your adrenaline at such a pace where you are indeed bursting every few seconds.
The only time you wont see a bursts every 2-3 seconds is if foes aren’t dying, ie a boss encounter.
which isn’t even that big of a deal if you are the one grabbing the ib.
(edited by TheBlackLeech.9360)
You guys really need to play warrior differently to utilize the berserker.
Make sure you are using your burst skills, both in berserker and out.
I know its something that many of us never did, simply because we deal more damage with a full adrenaline bar…. but this is amazing.
I find that “To the Limit!” when coupled with the Restorative Strength, and Phalanx Strength traits, provides an excellent way to utilize the burst skills and immediately replenish your adrenaline after while buffing your party with might stacks. The new skill, outrage, also works wonders with a build built around bursting.
My rotation is
100b->burst-> frenzy -> to the limit->zerk->burst->outrage->100b-> burstAnd that’s probably not even the most optimal of rotations…. i’m still learning but it definitely works.
Try it out.
im sorry but no… and for many reasons
One of those reasons being that you are xenophobic and/or afraid to try new things?
Warriors were once dps characters long before they took a back seat on the dps role to become a might/banner bot.
I really believe that berserker has the potential to put warriors back up in the dps ranks.No because you don’t know how to do math. However what you are right about is berserker and its role for dps. That’s what it’s there for, it just can’t do it. I already went over this in the feedback thread. But by all means keep trying
I can tell that you have a hard time letting go of axe mace by the way you complain about having to drop tactics for berserker in the traits… instead of dropping arms.
Camp greatsword and you would have no issues with losing damage, since you won’t be swapping to weapons you aren’t traited in, and the increased attack speed hands down demolishes any attack speed increase axe autos would give over gs autos.
Imagine every time you would swap from gs to axe mace (since you burned your cooldowns), you instead went into berserker mode.
You’re doing it wrong.
;-)
but it doesnt work this way. The entire reason I wouldnt drop arms isnt because of axe mace, its because its the only thing that supports any kind of condi/1hs/bleeding. Why give us a condi/dps elite and not condi and and not improve dps? even if you CAN dps near or equal to warrior with berserker, which you cant, why bother? youre losing support and doing the same or less damage. It just doesnt make sense
So you are saying you wont replace arms with berzerker for two traits, the one that applies bleed and the other that deals more damage to bleeding foes…?
…and you don’t think that being able to use your burst skill every few seconds more than makes up for this? in addition to the burning? and the blood reaction trait?
And you CANT use your burst skill every “few” seconds, they have kitten cd and berserker lasts 15 seconds.
Since you dont care about the burning anyway…
Smash Brawler Trait.
come on man…The gs primal burst has a 5sec cd which is reduced to basically nothing when traited. You can burst ~3 times while in berserker mode, and then it goes on cd for 15 seconds, which is when you use your normal bursts which have a cd of ~7seconds.
to the limit, signet of fury, frenzy, headbutt + outrage all restore your adrenaline at such a pace where you are indeed bursting every few seconds.
The only time you wont see a burts every 2-3 seconds is if foes aren’t dying, ie a boss encounter.
which isn’t even that big of a deal if you are the one grabbing the ib.
Or ya know, when it’s not optimal to use a burst. What you’re basically advocating for is what can happen under perfect conditions however as you can imagine that often isn’t the case. The point of bursts are supposed to be a big hit or a something special used when the times right not spastic button mashing just to try to get in 3 bursts before Berserk ends.
Not to mention some of the new primal bursts just make no sense at all, GS’s, LB’s, Axes, Hammer, 1h Sword… all much much worse than their normal versions. I mean there is no real reason to use them at all if not for the Berserkers Power buff.
This isn’t a matter of us not being able to adapt to change the Berserker just overall very poorly designed. I mean try playing a Reaper or a Chronomancer or something and come back to Berserker, it’s the difference between a Ferrari and a Honda Civic that had a engine swap and big dumb exhaust put on it and nothing else. Bad analogy aside it’s clear one is designed to work as a whole and the other is meaningless “improvements” that don’t actually make the baseline function better.
Oh and don’t even get me started on how utterly and completely pointless most of our new rage, (lets just call them what they are) sparkly physical skills are.
(edited by Atticus.7194)
Ive said it dozens of times already zerker is the new shoutbow in PVP. With last blaze, carrion, balthazar runes I was owning people. Everyone wants to run GS/hammer or some such. I have only positive feedback for zerker… Except their useless heal skill.