on my mark - 25s recharge time
Its 24 second cd with trait I believe.
So I dont get it.
Its 24 second cd with trait I believe.
So I dont get it.
with 25 seconds base recharge time, it would be 20 seconds after the trait.
conditions are very easily removed, so the 5 seconds reduction to the 30 seconds base recharge time is totally justified.
plus this shout is only a single target skill, not multiple targets.
furthermore, applying one type of condition only.
So you want a buff. Why?
So you want a buff. Why?
and why not?
besides, it is not a buff, but balancing.
it was clearly way under powered all along.
condition are so very easily removed, lowering the base recharge time by 5 seconds is very reasonable and fair.
So you want to remove what little variety exist in the shoutbow build. Correct?
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I got it !
All reflected projectiles by you and 4 other allies are directed at marked foe ! Another reason to hate rangers !
So you want to remove what little variety exist in the shoutbow build. Correct?
hmmm what exactly are you talking about?
anyway, with only 4 different shouts to go around with, there was not much choice of variety to begin with in the first place.
reducing the base recharge time by 5 seconds would not hurt.
I got it !
All reflected projectiles by you and 4 other allies are directed at marked foe ! Another reason to hate rangers !
sorry i have no idea what you are talking about here.
make “on my mark!” 25 seconds instead of 30 seconds.
discuss!
Make “On my Mark” not a shout, then you can make it 20 CD.
I can only gather from his reasoning that he doesn’t know what he is talking about either.
If he perchance finds some some of actual argument for this change then maybe there could be some sort of discussion. Otherwise nothing to see here.
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make “on my mark!” 25 seconds instead of 30 seconds.
discuss!
Make “On my Mark” not a shout, then you can make it 20 CD.
25 seconds is standard recharge time for warrior shouts.
make “on my mark!” 25 seconds instead of 30 seconds.
discuss!
Make “On my Mark” not a shout, then you can make it 20 CD.
25 seconds is standard recharge time for warrior shouts.
That’s why I’m ahead of you.
Make it 20 CD and not a shout then the CD issue is compensated.
Otherwise nope.
make “on my mark!” 25 seconds instead of 30 seconds.
discuss!
Make “On my Mark” not a shout, then you can make it 20 CD.
25 seconds is standard recharge time for warrior shouts.
“Fear Me!” is 60 though!
Maybe “On My Mark!” should be closer to 40 to balance it out so people don’t feel forced to choose all 3 low cd shouts?
make “on my mark!” 25 seconds instead of 30 seconds.
discuss!
Make “On my Mark” not a shout, then you can make it 20 CD.
25 seconds is standard recharge time for warrior shouts.
That’s why I’m ahead of you.
Make it 20 CD and not a shout then the CD issue is compensated.
Otherwise nope.
why not?
make “on my mark!” 25 seconds instead of 30 seconds.
discuss!
Make “On my Mark” not a shout, then you can make it 20 CD.
25 seconds is standard recharge time for warrior shouts.
“Fear Me!” is 60 though!
Maybe “On My Mark!” should be closer to 40 to balance it out so people don’t feel forced to choose all 3 low cd shouts?
but fear me is not a standard warrior shout.
no, on my mark is too weak to be 40 s recharge.
it is not worth 30 s as well.
25 s is just right.
None of this even matters… Your last utility spot is going to be a Banner of Dicipline soon anyways as a shoutbow, so very little sense in trying to milk buffs on an already very potent build.
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
On my Mark is a bad skill hardly anyone uses, why is that not a good enough reason to reduce the cooldown.
Right now in shoutbow, Balanced stance/endurepain/fear me take the third spot….In very rare occasions someone might use on my mark…but I personally never see it. Reducing the cooldown would make it more likely to get picked but it’s still not going to be good enough to always be picked. Defending against stun heavy comps with stab or burst heavy comps with cc…or canceling guard heal with Fear me…is going to be better than a short CD shoutheal a lot of the time.
In the end, if you reduce the cooldown, For Great justice is still the better shout…
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On my Mark is a bad skill hardly anyone uses, why is that not a good enough reason to reduce the cooldown.
Right now in shoutbow, Balanced stance/endurepain/fear me take the third spot….In very rare occasions someone might use on my mark…but I personally never see it. Reducing the cooldown would make it more likely to get picked but it’s still not going to be good enough to always be picked. Defending against stun heavy comps with stab or burst heavy comps with cc…or canceling guard heal with Fear me…is going to be better than a short CD shoutheal a lot of the time.
Because shout bows already don’t need a buff in any shape right now. And I doubt anyone wants opposite “compensation” (aka nerfs) on other shouts just to make way for silly ol “On my mark!” because reducing the cooldown buffs healing and condition removal. Make it a 3 second reveal. Then it might get more use without upsetting healing and conditioning n removal balances.
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
You’d take a shout that did nothing at all if it was on 20 sec or lower recharge (trained) so this isn’t about the balance on ‘On my mark’ it is about getting more use out of a hyper focused build.
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On my Mark is a bad skill hardly anyone uses, why is that not a good enough reason to reduce the cooldown.
Right now in shoutbow, Balanced stance/endurepain/fear me take the third spot….In very rare occasions someone might use on my mark…but I personally never see it. Reducing the cooldown would make it more likely to get picked but it’s still not going to be good enough to always be picked. Defending against stun heavy comps with stab or burst heavy comps with cc…or canceling guard heal with Fear me…is going to be better than a short CD shoutheal a lot of the time.
Because shout bows already don’t need a buff in any shape right now. And I doubt anyone wants opposite “compensation” (aka nerfs) on other shouts just to make way for silly ol “On my mark!” because reducing the cooldown buffs healing and condition removal. Make it a 3 second reveal. Then it might get more use without upsetting healing and conditioning n removal balances.
It’s not a buff, because currently no one uses on my mark. At best, it will put on my mark at the same level as the other utility skills someone is likely to pick up in shoutbow…thus giving the build more variety. the problem with having tri-shout and zero stab/immunity or CC is that shoutbow is heavily countered by heavy CC + burst. That’s why the third utility slot is never On My Mark despite the short cooldown it has. It’s worthless beyond the heal it gives when traited. Especially when 10% means nothing to a shoutbow that does low auto attack damage in the first place.
Having said that, buffing the skill would be a better option than reducing the CD…So at least it seems like a meaningful choice that isn’t only picked up for the heal it provides when traited.
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On my Mark is a bad skill hardly anyone uses, why is that not a good enough reason to reduce the cooldown.
Right now in shoutbow, Balanced stance/endurepain/fear me take the third spot….In very rare occasions someone might use on my mark…but I personally never see it. Reducing the cooldown would make it more likely to get picked but it’s still not going to be good enough to always be picked. Defending against stun heavy comps with stab or burst heavy comps with cc…or canceling guard heal with Fear me…is going to be better than a short CD shoutheal a lot of the time.
In the end, if you reduce the cooldown, For Great justice is still the better shout…
That’s why I propose OmM not being a shout, so you can buff whatever you want on this skill without affecting the balance.
Deimos, even 20 sec wont bring the shout into play.
“On my mark” as a shout is underpowered and i dont remmeber to see this shout in any viable build ever.
If you use this on a shout build you would loose some of the other shouts (1 break stun and condition cleanse, other buffs you and allies with might and the other is a fear).
I would not bring that shout into play even if it was 15 sec cd. Thats how bad that shout is. I dont even see that change as a buff to warrior.
You would have more healing with shoubow but less defense-condition clear / less damage – less might/ less control – no fear.
For “On my mark” to be used you must change his functionality. (reveal – boon removal – area denial – taunt), something that can be used by players.
I chose On My Mark over Fear Me because of the recharge time. I have the trait that heals per shout and reduces recharge and I still prefer to heal as much as possible than one burst of fear and heal, followed by a lengthy wait time. What really bothered me about Fear is it doesn’t work on all PvE enemies, so that makes that skill a longer short heal, which I don’t like. I’m fine with the small vulnerability boost. It’s small, though I’d like to think every little bit counts.
You can use shoutheal in pve if you want, but this was about pvp.
If PvP, than I see where the argument stands, the argument that On My Mark’s effect is underwhelming. I think the recharge would still be fine.
I don’t think it should have reduced cooldown but I do think it should do more than just 10 vuln.
I don’t think it should have reduced cooldown but I do think it should do more than just 10 vuln.
This is where I am, too. Personally I like the idea of reveal specifically because it calls out a target, but I could see other meaningful additions too.
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
people would probably start using it when it has 5 seconds less CD then for great justice
people would probably start using it when it has 5 seconds less CD then for great justice
Don’t think I agree with that. It’s a lot easier and more likely for an enemy to cleanse 10 vuln along with whatever else you apply than it is for you + your teammates’ fury and might to be stripped in a general setting. I see FGJ as far superior of a selection regardless of whether or not OMM’s cooldown is reduced or remains as is.
IMO the real problem is the Vulnerability condition itself (it needs to be redone because you need at least 10x of it to notice any difference) and it’s not the cooldown of the shout that’s an issue at all.
What if it Revealed the target?
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