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I’m relatively new to warrior and kinda just figured sw/sw /bow is the only way to do it on a condi build designed for solo-Small group roaming.

Moving on,

First off I decided on Rabid everything. Crit is needed with this, so dire is out the window, I decided that Antitoxin runes provide the mix between Melandru runes as well as applying extra offensive pressure needed in a condition setup.

Traits : 0/30/30/0/10

Arms:
III- Deep cuts 50% bleed duration
IX- Opportunist Fury on immobilze, which is handy on flurry and pin down
VIII- Blademaster – Really helps set off a flurry as it is in conjunction with fury, Providing 30% crit on top of the inherent 50% the amor/weps/trinks provides.

Defense:
II- Dogged March – Good health regen on top of the signet, reduces time on movement impairs, Always essential IMO.
IX- Clensing Ire – Another good skill, capped out flurry will remove 3 conditions.
XII- Spiked armor – I felt this skill important for thieves and mesmers due to the fact they can be hard to lock down. so why not let them damage themselves in the meantime?

Dicipline:
VI- Signet mastery- Reduced CD on signets, Bread and butter at the start of a fight. signet of rage, only for it to get ripped and stolen But either way, after thats ripped worst case scenerio this build still provides fury retaliation Stability and swiftness.

I decided that this setup would apply alot of pressure by applying bleeds consistantly both through duration of existing bleeds as well as easy application of new ones, which is why instead of dire armor I went rabid, for extra crit to stack more bleeds through precise strikes and deep cuts.

For my weapons i went Ofc, Full rabid with the longbow using a poison sigil(Sigil warriors beware) on wep swap, Generosity on main hand sword and +10 Condition on kill for the offhand.

The Doom sigil is probably my favorite. apply 15 stacks of bleed, let them cleanse, hit the bow and apply poison just before a heal. love it! I’ve found generosity is best used in conjunction with flurry as it has the highest odds of transferring the condition, and naturally getting +250 condition damage is always nice.

Then for utilities I went with bull’s charge, For the KD and extra movement, Signet of stamina for a condition clear, and then balanced state. With signet of rage being my elite. I really like this setup with the reduced CD on signets because balanced state and signet of rage can be alternated for almost full time 33% movement speed.

there are many similar versions of this setup that i’ve seen but this one has worked best for me. I’ve tried Melandru’s/lyssa runes as well as condition duration/damage sigils and I believe I found the best mix of runes/sigils to my taste and liking.

What do you guys think?

Alternate Trait setups:

0/25/30/0/15

So instead of running Spiked armor and Dogged march, I took into consideration that I am already using a condition duration reduction armor. Which also effects movement impeding conditions, and being as I have a long bow to deal ranged damage, I didnt feel that it was that big of a loss, and that spiked armor(While efficient) could pale in comparison to the other traits I’m currently looking at:

Sure footed,-Increases all stance durations by 25%

Last stand- Automatic Stability that lasts 10 seconds with sure footed applied, Cool thing about this is it applies and negates any CC that takes the form of a stun, so those trolling downed players will knock you on your kitten NO MORE!

Defy pain- Great automatic OSHI- Proc that applies at 25% and pops endure pain which is a 5 second direct damage negation utility (If traited) 4secs if not.

Dicipline line- I noticed two options here, Signet recharge or Vigor on popping a stance (Signet mastery and Vigorous focus respectively) This is where the build kinda defines your utilities however; (I also added 5 points for fast hands onto this as advised by the community)

You could use bezerkers to gain adrenaline and prevent conditions (Traited for 10seconds) on a 60 second cd, Or you could run signet of stamina and get a full clear on a 36 second CD traited.

So signet’s with reduced recharge or stances that give 6 seconds of vigor per pop,

*Obviously you can still run one or the other, just a matter of cohesion and benefits from traits to utilities come into play here.

and onto the heal:

Defiant stance is also modded by your trait line, Its situational and can fail and screw you over, but it can also save your life, Also can be used as a direct damage and condition barrier which negates damage and heals. Can also be screwed over by Defy pain at 25% proc.

Or you can just roll with the healing signet for passive regen which we all know is nice, but not effective for bursting.

Horrible HP, change all trinkets with prec-tough-vit-cond stuff then it will be good.

dostunuz.3982:

Horrible HP, change all trinkets with prec-tough-vit-cond stuff then it will be good.

20k Hp is horrible? I figured since warriors had one of the highest starting health pools that I didnt even need to touch it. Or at least that was prior advice. Ill play around with some trinkets this morning and post back some stats, see if i cant give a little more wiggle room.

kornfanxx.3751:

dostunuz.3982:

Horrible HP, change all trinkets with prec-tough-vit-cond stuff then it will be good.

20k Hp is horrible? I figured since warriors had one of the highest starting health pools that I didnt even need to touch it. Or at least that was prior advice. Ill play around with some trinkets this morning and post back some stats, see if i cant give a little more wiggle room.

No it isn’t horrible, don’t listen to that guy. I run a 20k hp condi warrior with no problems.

Way to post the condi build everyones been using for months…

well he has the guts to actualy post something that isnt critical damage based on a mind closed forum so he has my respect.

I would definitely add some Dire Sats to boost up your HP and why any warrior would go without fast hands is beyond my comprehension.

My suggestion: drop 5 points from Arms, add 5 points to Discipline. Fast Hands is a must have.

Carpboy.7145:

Way to post the condi build everyones been using for months…

Could have fooled me. I have been running condition warrior for months but I rarely see other warriors running it and have never seen one running my build.

I run 0/25/20/10/15 with rabid and undead. I would post the full build etc but on my phone at the moment and I hate posting on phones. No internet until Wednesday, in the process of moving.

Condi war/DPS Guard/thief/perplex+Dire necro or engi/condi pu mesmers.

Fight night in a nutshell. (As a reply to the current discussion).

Dire armor + rabid trinks/weps is a good set up to still maintain crit and get the vit from dire.

K U T M.4539:

Condi war/DPS Guard/thief/perplex+Dire necro or engi/condi pu mesmers.

Fight night in a nutshell. (As a reply to the current discussion).

Dire armor + rabid trinks/weps is a good set up to still maintain crit and get the vit from dire.

Well, that may be true in WvW or may be true on your server, my expierence is mostly spvp, where it is in fact rare.

Ashanor.5319:

K U T M.4539:

Condi war/DPS Guard/thief/perplex+Dire necro or engi/condi pu mesmers.

Fight night in a nutshell. (As a reply to the current discussion).

Dire armor + rabid trinks/weps is a good set up to still maintain crit and get the vit from dire.

Well, that may be true in WvW or may be true on your server, my expierence is mostly spvp, where it is in fact rare.

OP was a wvw roaming build. In duel rooms, condi wars are common.

I run a similar build. Try swapping Furious in for Blade Master. You will be able to use Flurry and Combustive Shot on cooldown. The continuous up time on the fire field is pretty amazballs.

Ashanor.5319:

Carpboy.7145:

Way to post the condi build everyones been using for months…

Could have fooled me. I have been running condition warrior for months but I rarely see other warriors running it and have never seen one running my build.

I run 0/25/20/10/15 with rabid and undead. I would post the full build etc but on my phone at the moment and I hate posting on phones. No internet until Wednesday, in the process of moving.

You obviously don’t pvp much if you don’t see many condi warrs. Most common build with the most common profession. And that 0/25/20/10/15 is more or less the generic condi build, give or take a couple traits.

I PvP a fair bit and I still mostly see hambows.

kyubi.3620:

well he has the guts to actualy post something that isnt critical damage based on a mind closed forum so he has my respect.

The guts? Wow how brave…if you look at my post history ive made at least 30 different posts on condi warr. Any lone who still doesn’t think condi warr is really powerful has had their head in the dirt. I just get mad when people post the generic condi build and act like Nike said, “an angel appeared to them in the night and revealed unto them the most OP warrior build evar!!!” When in actuality people have been running this since before torment was introduced.

what are the pros and cons of a condi build?

Poxheart.2845:

My suggestion: drop 5 points from Arms, add 5 points to Discipline. Fast Hands is a must have.

Good point, ill try that today

Carpboy.7145:

kyubi.3620:

well he has the guts to actualy post something that isnt critical damage based on a mind closed forum so he has my respect.

The guts? Wow how brave…if you look at my post history ive made at least 30 different posts on condi warr. Any lone who still doesn’t think condi warr is really powerful has had their head in the dirt. I just get mad when people post the generic condi build and act like Nike said, “an angel appeared to them in the night and revealed unto them the most OP warrior build evar!!!” When in actuality people have been running this since before torment was introduced.

Well thats great dude, i’m glad its a popular build, its really fun. The post was made to post my decisions when making or altering this build, what i was thinking when i made the changes and what you guys think about it.

kornfan, just ignore the complainers. Always good to see new builds and ideas.

I just tried this in PvP, granted I’m inexperienced but I noticed that in hairball fights with many players I had a hard time staying alive despite the very high toughness I was able to gear up to. Maybe due to a lack of CC? How do you handle that?

ive actualy been running condition warrior since game release. Sword was all about bleeding damage and didnt had final trust yet but was still fun to play (who didnt like the gimmick of sword shield in GW1? i was running it as a Wa/Mo in the early days). It still was good but most people prefered critical to it so it somewhat remained an unused spec. I seriously think sword shield is an underused spec right now and deserve some love. Maybe if they reduced the shield cooldowns further for someone who specificaly specialised into it (next to no one specialise shield how sad).

Qaelyn.7612:

kornfan, just ignore the complainers. Always good to see new builds and ideas.

I just tried this in PvP, granted I’m inexperienced but I noticed that in hairball fights with many players I had a hard time staying alive despite the very high toughness I was able to gear up to. Maybe due to a lack of CC? How do you handle that?

Id advise looking into you defense line and swapping out your traits with the ones i just mentioned.

Bow5 is rediculously awesome, I always use Bow5 to kite after i’ve applied bleeds, I ALWAYS pop sword 5 on thieves/warriors w/e, Itll save you from prematurely popping your automatic stability and could save you some HP off backstabs or alpha strikes. I havent tried this build in Spvp, but ill give it a shot today and see how it goes for me.

I just copied and pasted my original post to identify the skills:

Sure footed,-Increases all stance durations by 25%

Last stand- Automatic Stability that lasts 10 seconds with sure footed applied, Cool thing about this is it applies and negates any CC that takes the form of a stun, so those trolling downed players will knock you on your kitten NO MORE!

Defy pain- Great automatic OSHI- Proc that applies at 25% and pops endure pain which is a 5 second direct damage negation utility (If traited) 4secs if not.

kornfanxx.3751:

Id advise looking into you defense line and swapping out your traits with the ones i just mentioned.

Sorry not sure what you mean here. I was already playing 0/10/30/30/0 which is about as defensive as it gets.

It may just be my lack of experience with warrior. I’m somewhat used to trickier classes like mesmer/thief where we have lots of “get out of jail free” cards.

Seems a weapon with stuns/dazes like hammer might also be a bit more forgiving. But I’m a sucker for condition builds, what can I say.

Qaelyn.7612:

kornfanxx.3751:

Id advise looking into you defense line and swapping out your traits with the ones i just mentioned.

Sorry not sure what you mean here. I was already playing 0/10/30/30/0 which is about as defensive as it gets.

It may just be my lack of experience with warrior. I’m somewhat used to trickier classes like mesmer/thief where we have lots of “get out of jail free” cards.

Seems a weapon with stuns/dazes like hammer might also be a bit more forgiving. But I’m a sucker for condition builds, what can I say.

Well not your trait points, but your traits themselves adept/master/grandmaster, I posted two options when using traits, what were your specific traits within defense?

II/IV/XII, which I think is the same as yours.

I may just be expecting something unrealistic from a class not really designed to handle 1vX encounters.. or I’m just bad at warrior right now. A couple of good offensive characters will always take me down, even if it takes a bit of time.

Qaelyn.7612:

II/IV/XII, which I think is the same as yours.

I may just be expecting something unrealistic from a class not really designed to handle 1vX encounters.. or I’m just bad at warrior right now. A couple of good offensive characters will always take me down, even if it takes a bit of time.

I really need to clean up my original post, Might not be a bad idea to go III VII XI for auto stability, as well as 25% endure pain. then you could run another endure pain from your utility bar, as well as Another absorb from defiant stance if thats how you choose to heal.

edit: my warrior can sometimes take a couple of people but if they are really bursty you could have issues. But as long as you keep the condition pressure on them it’ll die eventually.

As much as I wish that the build you posted was the only condi warrior roaming around in WvW, the real trolls run perplexity warrior…

You basically want the build that Sensotix demonstrates in this video, except with perplexity runes for 9 stacks of confusion (or 12 with the on hit proc) on one interrupt every 10 seconds, and 4 on every other interrupt.

Don’t shoot me, aim your rage at anet!

Also, don’t get me wrong, perplexity isn’t necessarily better than s/s, longbow. You lose the burning condition and 6 stacks of bleeding, and the additional sustain from lyssa runes, which free you up to take endure pain or something. However, you gain a ton of blocks and stuns, which more than make up for the lack of lyssa, and a ton of confusion almost makes up for the lack of burning and pin down.

Siroso.2769:

As much as I wish that the build you posted was the only condi warrior roaming around in WvW, the real trolls run perplexity warrior…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzaCLMVuOmc

You basically want the build that Sensotix demonstrates in this video, except with perplexity runes for 9 stacks of confusion (or 12 with the on hit proc) on one interrupt every 10 seconds, and 4 on every other interrupt.

Don’t shoot me, aim your rage at anet!

Also, don’t get me wrong, perplexity isn’t necessarily better than s/s, longbow. You lose the burning condition and 6 stacks of bleeding, and the additional sustain from lyssa runes, which free you up to take endure pain or something. However, you gain a ton of blocks and stuns, which more than make up for the lack of lyssa, and a ton of confusion almost makes up for the lack of burning and pin down.

I thought about perplexity but crossed it off my list,
Confusion is a good condition, but I’m not the biggest fan because it’s a reactive condition, not one that continues to tick, While it’d be great in spvp like we see in your video.

I feel it wouldnt be quite as effective in a roaming solo build where a ranged root as well as the 6 stack of bleed would follow a running target. not to mention the combo field for fire is nice to have as well. I like the fact that he has those blocks, but at the same time if traited for endure pain and stability, you could just run a signet of stamina and bezerkers and still be well off in cleansing and have some decent mitigation if your low on HP and your trying to recoupe, Defiant stance wouldnt be a bad alternative either.

I just like my condition damage to stay consistant while i lay supporting dps through the other sword/LB attacks. that and i dont like being stuck with just a meele weapons, if im rooted i want to still be able to lay out damage.

one last thing is I prefer the Antitoxin runes due to the fact that they provide condition damage and duration reduction, and the 5 stacks of might on a poison or torment is pretty sick.

not saying my build is more viable than his or his more than mine, I think it comes down to personal preference of what you would enjoy more.

i kinda wanna try that build in spvp though.

Carpboy.7145:

Ashanor.5319:

Carpboy.7145:

Way to post the condi build everyones been using for months…

Could have fooled me. I have been running condition warrior for months but I rarely see other warriors running it and have never seen one running my build.

I run 0/25/20/10/15 with rabid and undead. I would post the full build etc but on my phone at the moment and I hate posting on phones. No internet until Wednesday, in the process of moving.

You obviously don’t pvp much if you don’t see many condi warrs. Most common build with the most common profession. And that 0/25/20/10/15 is more or less the generic condi build, give or take a couple traits.

You know, usually I don’t say things like this because I find them annoying but it seems appropriate here. Haters gonna hate.

Also, just a quick fyi, I have been playing warrior and thief since release, and guess what, that includes condition warrior on occasion. I made it my main build out of boredom a few months back and determined I enjoyed it more currently.

Carpboy.7145:

Way to post the condi build everyones been using for months…

Says the guy that copied “his” build name from Christos.

Carpboy.7145:

Ashanor.5319:

Carpboy.7145:

Way to post the condi build everyones been using for months…

Could have fooled me. I have been running condition warrior for months but I rarely see other warriors running it and have never seen one running my build.

I run 0/25/20/10/15 with rabid and undead. I would post the full build etc but on my phone at the moment and I hate posting on phones. No internet until Wednesday, in the process of moving.

You obviously don’t pvp much if you don’t see many condi warrs. Most common build with the most common profession. And that 0/25/20/10/15 is more or less the generic condi build, give or take a couple traits.

Oh, and you are right, 2700 games isn’t that much. I don’t know what I was thinking.

kornfanxx.3751:

dostunuz.3982:

Horrible HP, change all trinkets with prec-tough-vit-cond stuff then it will be good.

20k Hp is horrible? I figured since warriors had one of the highest starting health pools that I didnt even need to touch it. Or at least that was prior advice. Ill play around with some trinkets this morning and post back some stats, see if i cant give a little more wiggle room.

Don’t bullkitten me. It is 18ish hp or something which i could dominate you easily with any dps class. But if you listen to me and get some dire ascended trinkets it will be just fine.

18k isnt enough hp as some guys stated. So you need to find a way to get more health via your build or itemization. I think your focussing too much on dmg and to little on survival. There is such a thing as overkill in terms of damage….esp in wvw.

Build wise i would go deeper in to tactics:

I think one of the most “broken” things in wvw are immobs. So i really recommend running with leg specialist at least. When running with groups (or solo for that matter) its amazing to lock down ppl for a longer period of time.

Combine that with burning arrows for a shorter CD on pinbow. Something that will increase your dmg (shorter CD on the massive bleeds from pindown) AND it will add up to the immob stacking.

After that id mix my gear up a bit to reach 22-25kish HP. Youll do more than enough damage still….but your survivability will go up substantially.

And as other people mentioned, you will need fast hands aswell.