Guild Wars 2

Wait I thought the Warrior community collectively wanted better condition builds.

so why isnt Berserker more popular these last two betas?

Because its still weaker than almost every other class condi spec

because it didnt give condition builds. We got condi bursts of burning and thats it. Base warrior can barely out put any condi damage, so we can only do decent to good burning every time we go in berserk mode. its not like we have good condi, and then it turns amaazing. Yes, the burning can absolutely burst someone down because of how strong burning is, but its not as viable or potent as a guardian.

Plus our offhand torch doesnt even give that much burning. We still have the Mace problem, where its a power weapon thats primal burst does condi.

Sword is both too weak at condi and at power. AA is the only part of it that does any condi besides its (normally) garbage F1.

The Longbow is actually worse in berserk mode.

Basically, as Robert Gee said, Berserker was built for condi, but was changed to both support condi and power. Sometime during that transition a rough patch was hit, because the condi isnt that strong and the traits barely support power. The few good traits seem mandatory, and the GM traits are pretty awful.

When you play berserker it seems like its supposed to function like Sinister Engi, except Sinister engi was 100% more damage and from range

because it didnt give condition builds. We got condi bursts of burning and thats it. .

This.

Cortano.5419:

because it didnt give condition builds. We got condi bursts of burning and thats it. .

This.

I ll beg to differ

sword/sword
ax/shield
zerker performed very well in pvp

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQRAsc3en8cAlki1kCuhAElilrATJH06aBIBgEQB49zmabtA-TZRCABkVGI5nAQFnAAAOIA1s/AA

this is the build I used

also- the zerker elite is on a 20 sec CD— which also means you get the a nice stun and krait elite cond application 2x/minute.

And…. well not many people stand still in pvp so the torment conds do wonders=)

Condition warrior is actually very strong.. In 1v1 situations. Lol.

punahou.3986:

Cortano.5419:

because it didnt give condition builds. We got condi bursts of burning and thats it. .

This.

I ll beg to differ

sword/sword
ax/shield
zerker performed very well in pvp

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQRAsc3en8cAlki1kCuhAElilrATJH06aBIBgEQB49zmabtA-TZRCABkVGI5nAQFnAAAOIA1s/AA

this is the build I used

also- the zerker elite is on a 20 sec CD— which also means you get the a nice stun and krait elite cond application 2x/minute.

And…. well not many people stand still in pvp so the torment conds do wonders=)

You’re pretty much wasting the GM berserker slot in that build, as you only have base crit chance with no other sources.

gm zerk slot is the best I felt compared to the other 2=P

I’m not a fan of anets laughable 1s to 3s gifts they throw out that are based on being in a certain mode.

Anyhow- the main query of the post asking about cond builds not being viable?
I’m primarily a pvper and main a necro and ranger— and during beta I wanted to test drive all the elites.

I found this build to be very effective in spvp.

I sure if you changed up your utilities you could get more AOE team support.

Issues with Condi Berserker :

1) Almost any condi profession performs better that a condi warrior
2) Almost any power warrior build performs better than a Condi warrior build

Surely, Berserker performs better that the typical S/S LB builds do nowadays but generally I don’t think its performance is the same or at least close to a GS warrior to actually call it “a viable alternative”.

Even though I didn’t spent enough time on a Berserker during BWE#3 (I did so in BWE#2 thought), I believe that the design of the Sword main-hand skills is lacking in terms of damage. This hampers the overall performance of the Sword/Torch combo.

Why? Simply because most other professions can inflict lots of stronger condis (torment, confusion) even with their main-hand weapon skills! The sword instead inflicts the weakest damaging condition (bleeding) for long durations but in a not-so-great quantity, which means its easy to be cleansed and even if you don’t do that immediately the damage it inflicts is relatively lower than any other condi.

Apart from that, a condi warrior has to stand at melee range half of the time to inflict condis while having less defensive means (no evades, no blinds, no protective boons).

Conclusion? The Berserker is an improvement over traditional Condi Warr but is way behind Condi Mesmers and Well behind Power Warriors. Berserker is a fun thing to play for a change but no way it can be an alternative to a power warrior, at least at its current state.

Ilias.8647:

Issues with Condi Berserker :

1) Almost any condi profession performs better that a condi warrior
2) Almost any power warrior build performs better than a Condi warrior build

Surely, Berserker performs better that the typical S/S LB builds do nowadays but generally I don’t think its performance is the same or at least close to a GS warrior to actually call it “a viable alternative”.

Even though I didn’t spent enough time on a Berserker during BWE#3 (I did so in BWE#2 thought), I believe that the design of the Sword main-hand skills is lacking in terms of damage. This hampers the overall performance of the Sword/Torch combo.

Why? Simply because most other professions can inflict lots of stronger condis (torment, confusion) even with their main-hand weapon skills! The sword instead inflicts the weakest damaging condition (bleeding) for long durations but in a not-so-great quantity, which means its easy to be cleansed and even if you don’t do that immediately the damage it inflicts is relatively lower than any other condi.

Apart from that, a condi warrior has to stand at melee range half of the time to inflict condis while having less defensive means (no evades, no blinds, no protective boons).

Conclusion? The Berserker is an improvement over traditional Condi Warr but is way behind Condi Mesmers and Well behind Power Warriors. Berserker is a fun thing to play for a change but no way it can be an alternative to a power warrior, at least at its current state.

I don’t think it is an upgrade. U either have to sacrifice defense traits like endure pain , dogged march, last stand, cleansing ire, or shield mastery. Arms traits for bonus condi damage (the trait name alude me at this time ) or signet mastery which is there is a solid signet condi build that make it work really well. Or u give up tatics which u lose burning arrow and leg specialist.

Condition Berserker is good, the problems on berserker come most from normal Warrior problems and the lack of survivability that berserker offers. Also the new rage (physical) skills are pretty much terrible and will never see any use.

In PvP, WvW condition Berserker is really strong, in PvE it might need some buffs.