warrior is weak in PvP

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Posted by: silentnight warrior.2714

silentnight warrior.2714

This is only my opinion on PvP, not PvE.

Playing PvP seams 1vmany with all the minions, pets, clones, spirit weapons. We can’t only fight against one target even if there is only another profession to deal but instead we must find the real mesmer, destroy minions or avoid spirit weapons and ranger pets, while their masters do damage to the warrior having CC/damage at distance and they only worry about one target only.

In adiction to the above i would like to say that almost every profession in the game has one elite skill that can change a battle (does the job for that profession) for the conquest of one spot, except warrior… They can easely kite wile they pets/minions/spirit weapons/Guild of thiefs/clones/turrets do their job and beside they have elites far superior to the warrior ones.

Are exemple of those elites:

Thief – Guild of thiefs; Dagger Storm
Guardian: Tome of Courage; Renewed Focus
Engenier: Supply Crate (this one is realy strong you need to dogde/block lots of things)
Ranger: Entangle, Rampage As One (Entangle is also very strong)
Elementalist: Glyph of Elementals; Tornado
Mesmer: Mass Invisibility, Moa Morph,Time Warp (moa morph makes the duel so much easy to the mesmer)
Necromancer: Lich Form, Summon Flesh Golem (Lich form hits very hard)

But there is none warrior elite that gives him advantage in the heat of battle. Not only one elite can match those elites above.

Beside that we can´t be efective dealing damage because its very hard to land a hit when you find good oponents. Every profession can mitigate damage better than warrior (endless doges, avoids, blocks, invulnerabilty, pets, regeneration, defensive CC).

If we cannot land the damage we can do and if we dont have any elite to give us what we need to change the tide of batle like other professions have we will be always the worst class in pvp.

And dont forget that almost every profession can finish a downed player without problems because they have skils/utilities that alow them to do that. Even in that warrior is the worst of all…

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Posted by: Alcy.3642

Alcy.3642

um. with great damage u have to sacrifice something.
btw If u set up shout heal, and rune that shout remove condition, with mace and shied u can be a super tank with slightly low but still average atk. I once hold 4ppl’s atk and killed one of them

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Posted by: Daecollo.9578

Daecollo.9578

um. with great damage u have to sacrifice something.
btw If u set up shout heal, and rune that shout remove condition, with mace and shied u can be a super tank with slightly low but still average atk. I once hold 4ppl’s atk and killed one of them

The problem with the “great damage” is its the easiest to avoid in the game.

In PvP we are almost at the bottom for damage.

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Posted by: Blackhat.4016

Blackhat.4016

I am not sure why you would mention elite skills as one of the major warrior problems.

Imo mesmers have the best elites in the game. Every single one is useful and able to change the fight.

The other professions have 1 or 2 good elites at best. Nothing spectacular but still better than nothing. This also includes warriors. Signet of Rage is one of the good elites in the game. It offers a lot on a very low CD.

And here is why your statement about elite skills doesn’t make sense:

Take a look at eles. Still one of the best tPvP professions in the game even though every single elite skill is pretty bad.

  • Conjure Fiery Greatsword – An escape tool on a 180 second CD. Great. No seriously, the skills you gain don’t make up for all the weapon skills you lose.
  • Tornado – Switch to a ranged weapon and kite until the ele is dead. No decent player will use this in PvP, trust me. Besides that a few stacks of Confusion mean you die in 2-3 secs.
  • Glyph of Elementals – The elementals either deal ~0 damage because they are kited a lot and deal low damage or die within 2 hits. Not a good elite either.

As you can see no good elite. In fact, most eles would prefer a 4th utility slot instead of the elite skill. Even though the elites are bad eles are still top tier in tPvP which means elites are not needed to be viable.

Low sustain and unreliable damage. Those are the 2 main problems warriors have. Not elites.

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Posted by: Kusaijshi.5918

Kusaijshi.5918

ok first i must say the elite from warrior are not the best but they are okkkkk

signet is ok but didnt helps your team in any way ^^.
banner is ok too but the problem is that the tanky/bunker warrior is useless because the bunker guards and eles are MUCH better. there is no need for a defensive warrior with a rez banner. your teammates will hate you if you say im the tank i will hold mid .
just chreate a new charakter if you wanna play tank. get guardian much better and easier + better teamsupport and better CC.

warrior need better ways to stay in fight as DD or be a better teamsupporter tank as bunker.

DDthief have stealth. warri have ……. ah shieldblock -.-
buner guard have buffs for all. heal for all. massive sustain
wassi have mmhhhh bit heal with shouts. no sustain and the CC is useless because you cant realy kick the enemys out of points like guardian ( sPVP)
its realy bad to have only 1 CC to kick the enemy away in a gamemode where its important to kick them out of a point.

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Posted by: silentnight warrior.2714

silentnight warrior.2714

I must agree that elementalist elites are by far the weekest on the list i wrote, but they can still be more usefull than warrior ones.

If we had elites like Dagger Storm, Supply Crate, Entangle, Moa Morph, Lich Form or Renewed Focus i belive we could be a lot better at pvp.
But elites is not the only problem. The biger problem is the amount of damage/CC that a warrior takes AT RANGE. We have some ranged weapons that not offer one single CC ranged skill. We need to always get on the marks/fields to fight against someone, but we are the weakest class in condition removal. (runes are not class specific and you sacrífice a lot just to use them (traits and utilities)).
My opinion is that PvP has it is now is not made for warrior.

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Posted by: Wooyadeen.6491

Wooyadeen.6491

um. with great damage u have to sacrifice something.
btw If u set up shout heal, and rune that shout remove condition, with mace and shied u can be a super tank with slightly low but still average atk. I once hold 4ppl’s atk and killed one of them

This must be a lie, or you talk about PVE (or you are elementalist and you are here to troll). Warrior cant tank, best bunkers (guardian) cant tank more then 2 good players.

Btw did you tank real players or few low lvl mobs in PVE??

There is no chance that warrior can tank anything with brain in tPvP.

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Posted by: silentnight warrior.2714

silentnight warrior.2714

“its realy bad to have only 1 CC to kick the enemy away in a gamemode where its important to kick them out of a point.”

Even in this case you need to get to the enemy to kick him, puting the warrior in the marks/fields/traps the enemy just put on that point. Its a kick that leads to your death. Btw its a skill with very low range.