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Posted by: Mahaedros.7085

Mahaedros.7085

The other day in WvW there was a warrior with longbow wrecking people and he was laying down stacks of torment.

He was kiting me and i could not chase him without my health going down fast and he kept reapplying torment so it was hard to keep it removed…

The guy was pretty kitten good but i was surprised at how much damage he was doing and how often he was stacking up torment, i guess he had high crit (?)

Are sigils and runes of torment that good? I would have liked to see his build and gear.

Anyone have comments/opinions to share regarding warrior using torment?

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing – Edmund Burke

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Posted by: HatSimulator.9362

HatSimulator.9362

Its called sword 4 and its op as kitten. Condi warriors are bigger jerks than old hambows

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Posted by: SonofNoob.3102

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Its called sword 4 and its op as kitten. Condi warriors are bigger jerks than old hambows

No they are not. Their condi pressure is all single target.

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Posted by: MiLkZz.4789

MiLkZz.4789

Condi warriors should get a nerf, way to easy to kill people with it.

Definitely because it is hard to remove all the torment because the stacks get applied 1 by 1.

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Posted by: azuzephyr.7280

azuzephyr.7280

Condi warriors should get a nerf, way to easy to kill people with it.

Definitely because it is hard to remove all the torment because the stacks get applied 1 by 1.

That’s it, I give up —- now it’s the “sword” warriors that are OP …. along with the Axe and GS warriors in PvE, and the Hammer ones in WvW and the Longbow ones … and the ones that pick their nose, and the ones with orange gear, (yes, the orange Warriors are especially OP too).

Christ in heaven, what a load of …………..

It’s nothing to do with the sword. It’s the fact that anything with Healing signet/cleansing ire can ignore playing well or gear defensively, stack zerker gear and faceroll through pvp. So yes, that amount of torment/bleed is far too much on top of how strong and forgiving signet/ire makes playing a warrior.

Nobody would be complaining about sword, or hammer, or longbow if they weren’t being carried by healing signet & cleansing ire. They need to be toned down before anything can be changed about weapons.

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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

killahmayne.9518

Condition Warriors are a bit over the top I admit, but only for roaming. They are pretty balanced in small scale fights and are pretty bad in larger fights. But then again, to single out warriors as the culprit would be ignorant because many other condition built classes are also just as ridiculous.

Other builds including hambow builds are fine.

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Posted by: Mahaedros.7085

Mahaedros.7085

well i really didn’t want to debate about nerfing or warriors being op

I’m still trying to figure out what build the guy was using- or what the best build would be with regards to using torment on warrior

I tried some stuff in the spvp mists but if anyone has some advice on build/ gear that would be great

(i might craft runes/sigils of torment just to raise crafting closer to 500 on some alts, have not bought recipes yet from the kessex hills vendor)

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing – Edmund Burke

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Posted by: Domey.9804

Domey.9804

Evry warrior skill is op! Nerf them!
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Posted by: ImNoir.5742

ImNoir.5742

For my condi build warrior I focus on torment and tend to be able to keep torment up fairly easily. I used both the torment sigil on LB and the torment rune set on my armour. I have a high crit rate and LB auto attack tends to be enough to keep the torment up. If that fails I either swap to S/S and #4 or close and heal.

For attributes, I focused on rabid and rampager gears/accessories for high crit chance and the condi damage. The sigils on my swords focus on precision/crit rate as do my traits. For food/utilities I bounce between precision and condi dmg.

I would never consider this OP but it is a fun build that suites my play style. It does make opponents squirm, but its not an instant win by a long shot ^^.

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Posted by: Obby Shards.9365

Obby Shards.9365

I don’t understand what people think crying will do. Obviously stop being a loser and roll a Warrior. Straighten your life out kitten …

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Posted by: Domey.9804

Domey.9804

Then i explain it to you: crying makes anet nerf other proffessions. Its Super effektive and you can Do it over and over again. Choose the easy way, you should be comfortable with it as you Main a warrior

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Posted by: Mahaedros.7085

Mahaedros.7085

People please stop.

The thread is not about crying about warriors, it’s about discussing Torment being used by warriors.

Any builds, gear, tips and tricks would really be welcome.

(thanks to ImNoir for the tips)

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Posted by: Flissy.4093

Flissy.4093

The thread is not about crying about warriors

But what you described is what the subforum has become since their viability in PvP situations.

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Posted by: Mahaedros.7085

Mahaedros.7085

The thread is not about crying about warriors

But what you described is what the subforum has become since their viability in PvP situations.

what in the hell are you talking about? I don’t give a kitten what you think of this subforum. This thread is not to debate anything about warriors in general or the forums or anything besides warriors use of torment and how to make it most effective.

please limit your posts to: " discussing Torment being used by warriors.
Any builds, gear, tips and tricks would really be welcome."

please stay on topic

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Posted by: Flissy.4093

Flissy.4093

The thread is not about crying about warriors

But what you described is what the subforum has become since their viability in PvP situations.

what in the hell are you talking about? I don’t give a kitten what you think of this subforum.

Woah Mr Big Shot, calm your horses. All I suggested was a reason your topic was being answered how it was, no need to get all Mr Hard-over-the-internet on me, it doesn’t suit you.

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Posted by: Mahaedros.7085

Mahaedros.7085

Do you have anything to say about the topic of this thread?

please stay on topic

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Posted by: Scoobaniec.9561

Scoobaniec.9561

I hear axe offhand is op.

On a serious note sword 4 (impale) is easy to dodge. U can see coming it from miles when warrior raises his hand up and his sword fall back

http://youtu.be/IxBU1sgjtBc?t=11m36s

And anyone that saying this skill is op.. Buy glasses or something

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Posted by: Mosharn.8357

Mosharn.8357

i think they will nerf condi war after they nerf babyeasymode condi thief with pistol/dagger. You could be half awake, hands tied, on acid, and still kill someone without trying

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Posted by: Marxx.5748

Marxx.5748

Here is the build I use:
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAT8cjkOtuFPCPMRCEkCNsKOFSCli5wOSKODzA-j0DBYhQYiAIOw0CQk0A00w5QFRjtMqIasaZw6ZQ6jYqUI6YB1YOQ2zwSBsk0I-w

Torment is one of my best skills. The block on sword 5 is as well since its a long bleed.
With Koi cakes and 25 stacks of condi damage, torment will hit for about 15k over its full duration(17.5 seconds in my case) if not cleared.

Since im pure condi, I wear Dire. That ups my HP and Toughness without hurting condi damage at all. You can see the damage on Sword 4. Depending on what enemies are out there, I will change between Koi Cake(added condi damage and duration) and Potato and Leek soup(decrease condi duration)

Most damage is short range AOE since sword cleaves. This has been the best build I have found for 1vsX. Its not the signet alone, its mainly that most my damage is AoE if the enemy stays too close together.

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Posted by: Forzani.2584

Forzani.2584

Here is the build I use:
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAT8cjkOtuFPCPMRCEkCNsKOFSCli5wOSKODzA-j0DBYhQYiAIOw0CQk0A00w5QFRjtMqIasaZw6ZQ6jYqUI6YB1YOQ2zwSBsk0I-w

Torment is one of my best skills. The block on sword 5 is as well since its a long bleed.
With Koi cakes and 25 stacks of condi damage, torment will hit for about 15k over its full duration(17.5 seconds in my case) if not cleared.

Since im pure condi, I wear Dire. That ups my HP and Toughness without hurting condi damage at all. You can see the damage on Sword 4. Depending on what enemies are out there, I will change between Koi Cake(added condi damage and duration) and Potato and Leek soup(decrease condi duration)

Most damage is short range AOE since sword cleaves. This has been the best build I have found for 1vsX. Its not the signet alone, its mainly that most my damage is AoE if the enemy stays too close together.

Not one piece of Dire in your build

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Posted by: GSSBlunaspike.4153

GSSBlunaspike.4153

The other day in WvW there was a warrior with longbow wrecking people and he was laying down stacks of torment.

He was kiting me and i could not chase him without my health going down fast and he kept reapplying torment so it was hard to keep it removed…

The guy was pretty kitten good but i was surprised at how much damage he was doing and how often he was stacking up torment, i guess he had high crit (?)

Are sigils and runes of torment that good? I would have liked to see his build and gear.

Anyone have comments/opinions to share regarding warrior using torment?

This is what I used to use. I’m not sure if it still works as well. I just browse the forums mostly. You can see if it’s what you might be looking for though.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAscTjkOVvJPOP4wBE0DNsKEwThkI9ANOj0A-jUCBoOCi00AUHRMTtIasVTFRjVJDQ3ATxaR1eEMa1A-w

Oh and to people thinking warrior condi damage is op, they are wrong. It’s just how stat allocation works in this game that creates the problem.

Consider in order to build traditional dps you need power, precision, crit damage. Now you can deal a ton of damage,but you have low survival. With condi builds you can build straight damage, while building toughness/vitality. If they changed stat allocation so that (example) crit damage was a portion of power, then things like power/precision/toughness or power/precision/vitality would allow traditional dps to do similar. That won’t really happen though. They tried to do this with allowing gems/runes/ascended gear.

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Posted by: Burnnn.1903

Burnnn.1903

This is what I use:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-s;4NKkM0a4ZL-60;9;59T9J;12;018A3;025-1tW6-s0-gnDvgnDvq-kxNE57;0asc0W5XBYDZM_Ra0q-Fk1e;57YBmVWBN;9;9;9;9-kk0;44s5P

If I had to guess the guy you fought probably just used the torment sigil on the bow and the occasional sword 4. Remember that sword 4 puts that little sword icon on your condi bar and it can’t be cleansed, as long as it is there you will continue to get stacks of torment so blowing your cleanse early is almost pointless.

As far as condi warriors are concerned, the fact that we can get so much defense out of 30 points in defense (dogged march, adrenal health, cleansing ire and defy pain) is what makes warrior so good. At that point you can stack pretty much all your gear traits to offensive stats and still be more tanky than most classes.

Is this fair? Maybe, we are a heavy class that is supposed to be offensive as opposed to guardians defensive nature, but cleansing ire is probably the best condi clear in the game when combined with fast hands and versatile rage and conditions are generically the best way to attack single targets. Add to that the fact that sword main and longbow are great at applying cone/aoe conditions and you have a very versatile fighter.

But before you go thinking warrior is teh uber leets condi killer you should look at the 3 kit condi engineer. If it wasn’t for the fact that I kill with fewer button presses with my warrior I would definitely play my engi. It might be harder but if played right it never dies.

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Posted by: Forzani.2584

Forzani.2584

The other day in WvW there was a warrior with longbow wrecking people and he was laying down stacks of torment.

He was kiting me and i could not chase him without my health going down fast and he kept reapplying torment so it was hard to keep it removed…

The guy was pretty kitten good but i was surprised at how much damage he was doing and how often he was stacking up torment, i guess he had high crit (?)

Are sigils and runes of torment that good? I would have liked to see his build and gear.

Anyone have comments/opinions to share regarding warrior using torment?

This is what I used to use. I’m not sure if it still works as well. I just browse the forums mostly. You can see if it’s what you might be looking for though.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAscTjkOVvJPOP4wBE0DNsKEwThkI9ANOj0A-jUCBoOCi00AUHRMTtIasVTFRjVJDQ3ATxaR1eEMa1A-w

Oh and to people thinking warrior condi damage is op, they are wrong. It’s just how stat allocation works in this game that creates the problem.

Consider in order to build traditional dps you need power, precision, crit damage. Now you can deal a ton of damage,but you have low survival. With condi builds you can build straight damage, while building toughness/vitality. If they changed stat allocation so that (example) crit damage was a portion of power, then things like power/precision/toughness or power/precision/vitality would allow traditional dps to do similar. That won’t really happen though. They tried to do this with allowing gems/runes/ascended gear.

No speed if you are a roamer. Gonna get run over

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Posted by: NoxInfernus.2361

NoxInfernus.2361

The other day in WvW there was a warrior with longbow wrecking people and he was laying down stacks of torment.

He was kiting me and i could not chase him without my health going down fast and he kept reapplying torment so it was hard to keep it removed…

The guy was pretty kitten good but i was surprised at how much damage he was doing and how often he was stacking up torment, i guess he had high crit (?)

Are sigils and runes of torment that good? I would have liked to see his build and gear.

Anyone have comments/opinions to share regarding warrior using torment?

I use a S. Sigil of Torment on my Rifle Warrior. Originally the idea was to use the torment as a buffer for the Bleed (rifle#1) against opponents that unwisely took limited cleansing. I found that with a high crit. my torment was going off fairly consistently and was a nice topper to the bleed damage
All in all it, was a happy accident and one I’ll experiment with my bow to see if I get similar results.

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Posted by: doc phil.8015

doc phil.8015

sorry I didn’t read all the posts, but the first ones were so funny I just had to write.
hm now everyone is whining about a condi warrior?we really don’t have anything else left after stun warrior got nerfed into oblivion.stop crying guys learn how to play and deal with it.I don’t think it would be fair if the warrior would be moved again to where it used to be.
Just change your way of playing this game. Now you can skip the stun breaker and try something against conditions….every class should be able to win against every other class right?
warrior used to be nothing and now they’re just competitive. really no reason to cry about it.a condition warrior is not dealing good damage if you handle conditions well so go ahead and try something new

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Posted by: GSSBlunaspike.4153

GSSBlunaspike.4153

The other day in WvW there was a warrior with longbow wrecking people and he was laying down stacks of torment.

He was kiting me and i could not chase him without my health going down fast and he kept reapplying torment so it was hard to keep it removed…

The guy was pretty kitten good but i was surprised at how much damage he was doing and how often he was stacking up torment, i guess he had high crit (?)

Are sigils and runes of torment that good? I would have liked to see his build and gear.

Anyone have comments/opinions to share regarding warrior using torment?

This is what I used to use. I’m not sure if it still works as well. I just browse the forums mostly. You can see if it’s what you might be looking for though.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAscTjkOVvJPOP4wBE0DNsKEwThkI9ANOj0A-jUCBoOCi00AUHRMTtIasVTFRjVJDQ3ATxaR1eEMa1A-w

Oh and to people thinking warrior condi damage is op, they are wrong. It’s just how stat allocation works in this game that creates the problem.

Consider in order to build traditional dps you need power, precision, crit damage. Now you can deal a ton of damage,but you have low survival. With condi builds you can build straight damage, while building toughness/vitality. If they changed stat allocation so that (example) crit damage was a portion of power, then things like power/precision/toughness or power/precision/vitality would allow traditional dps to do similar. That won’t really happen though. They tried to do this with allowing gems/runes/ascended gear.

No speed if you are a roamer. Gonna get run over

I would mostly just defend. I could usually go 3v1 and kill 1 or 2 if they didn’t run away. For roaming I would change it up.

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Posted by: Conncept.7638

Conncept.7638

Condi warriors should get a nerf, way to easy to kill people with it.

Definitely because it is hard to remove all the torment because the stacks get applied 1 by 1.

That’s it, I give up —- now it’s the “sword” warriors that are OP …. along with the Axe and GS warriors in PvE, and the Hammer ones in WvW and the Longbow ones … and the ones that pick their nose, and the ones with orange gear, (yes, the orange Warriors are especially OP too).

Christ in heaven, what a load of …………..

It’s nothing to do with the sword. It’s the fact that anything with Healing signet/cleansing ire can ignore playing well or gear defensively, stack zerker gear and faceroll through pvp. So yes, that amount of torment/bleed is far too much on top of how strong and forgiving signet/ire makes playing a warrior.

Nobody would be complaining about sword, or hammer, or longbow if they weren’t being carried by healing signet & cleansing ire. They need to be toned down before anything can be changed about weapons.

Not likely, just look at the elementalist. They’re going to nerf absolutely everything else, then finally admit that the signet is the actual problem and deal with it, probably in a really stupid way (like how they spread cantrips defense over every utility skill) and not a single one of the massive stack of previous nerfs will be undone, no matter how nonsensical (like a doubled cooldown on your one of your only three escape skills). Because that’s just how ANets PvP team seems to work.

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Posted by: mini.6018

mini.6018

Seriously condition warriors are a bad joke compared to necro or engie.Anyone loosing to a condi warrior especially in this condi spam meta (bcuz no excuse to not gave maximized for condi clear in this meta) should feel terrible about themselves.

If you can’t deal with a condi warrior than what are you going to do against a necro, engie mesmer ranger?

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Posted by: GSSBlunaspike.4153

GSSBlunaspike.4153

Seriously condition warriors are a bad joke compared to necro or engie.Anyone loosing to a condi warrior especially in this condi spam meta (bcuz no excuse to not gave maximized for condi clear in this meta) should feel terrible about themselves.

If you can’t deal with a condi warrior than what are you going to do against a necro, engie mesmer ranger?

Well I know what I do against a mesmer.

I die.

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Posted by: Mahaedros.7085

Mahaedros.7085

anyone using a build with the runes of torment?

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Posted by: WeaponXI.4076

WeaponXI.4076

well i really didn’t want to debate about nerfing or warriors being op

I’m still trying to figure out what build the guy was using- or what the best build would be with regards to using torment on warrior

I tried some stuff in the spvp mists but if anyone has some advice on build/ gear that would be great

(i might craft runes/sigils of torment just to raise crafting closer to 500 on some alts, have not bought recipes yet from the kessex hills vendor)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Sword-Sword-warrior-roaming-small-group-video/first#post3468078

I run a condi build in this video and I’m pretty sure you were just experiencing sword 4. I do not use torment runes because shouts removing conditions (soldier runes) is just too clutch at the moment.. It is pretty easy to keep torment on most classes for more than half the fight. It is even easier if they have a torment skill to reflect. If I can land torment and then switch to longbow and land my other conditions even if my opponent is cleansing torment can get to 5 stacks in a hurry and is protected by my other condis. Hope this helps

Edit: good example of the torment is in the 1v1 with condi mes. At 5:29 I apply torment and you can see it ticking up to 5 stacks until it finally falls off at 5:49. This fight is sped up to 1.25x regular speed so that’s 25 seconds real time of torment from one application.

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