Guild Wars 2

Shout-warrior= dead
banner-warrior= dead ( or at least in PvP and www)
DPS warrior= alive…IF you play with GS, longbow, mace ( well, who would have seen that one comming) and to some extend axe

Following weapons dead in the water: Hammer, sword, rifle, warhorn
Shield is still alive in PvP, dead in PvE and www.

so much for build diversity……….

Shield is phenomenal in wvw unless you spend all of your time in a zerg, and sword is solid for roaming (trades damage for mobility).

axe shield warrior is still very very good, if i played this game i would delete my guardian to make one warrior.

I think you focus too much on playing super optimal build recommended by hardcore grinding guilds. If that is what you look for you pretty much have to go with the build your guild requires from you.

Other than that weapons you claim to be not viable are still viable, but not as optimal as meta builds. Then meta builds still suck if one doesn’t know how to play them and you can see it pretty clear in spvp, because people run with particular weapon and skillset but have no idea how to use it.

Go do tequatl event and see how meta builds lie down by his feet asking for revive

I hate to state the obvious, but you all seem to miss the point about 1 role
You comment on what weapons are viable, not what role are viable.
weapons are well weapons of choice, some like rifle some dont..thats not the point.
Show me a solid supportbuild, please.

PS is a support build.

That aside, you made a number of claims about weapons that a few of us seem to think you’re wrong about. So we commented about that.

I have no problem on my rifle/GS war under the current META. Climbing in rank, and in win ratio.

Yes, DPS warrior is alive.

This post is silly. Sure warrior weapons have limited uses, but all of them, (except maybe offhand sword and mace) have a place.

Warhorn
Commanders in WVW. Also its actually a pretty solid roaming weapon

Sheild
A solid all around weapon. It’s not needed atr all in PVE, but can still be usefull there as well. I have no idea where you heard that sheild sucked in anything but PVP. Thats just wrong

Sword
Amazing in PVE. Also good in PVP if you know what you are doing. it’s byu no means meta, but it’s great from condi’s. off hand needs a major change though.

Mace
Great weapon. And Skull Grinder is OP as hell. Off hand it’s pretty bad. I’ll give you that.

Axe
Main hand is still amazing in almost all game modes. It’s not really that great for raids though. Off hand is awesome in PVE. Especially on Condi builds. with torch on swap. I would not recomend it for PVP or WVW.

Hammer
Oh, my poor hammer, How I miss you. Still it’s a really good weapon to keep on swap in a hybrid build in WVW if you are running without HoT.

Greatsword
Has and still is the most versatile weapon in the warrior’s kitten nal. It’s a great weapon

Torch
It’s a great weapon. my only complaint is that it does not fit warrior at all.

Rifle
If you have a problem with rifle, I’m sorry. It’s a good weapon in all game modes, but it’s overshadowed by better options. This does not mean the weapon is crap, it means there are better options out there. Playing the rifle for awhile i’m genueinly suprised at how versatile it is. i get an evade, a knock back, a massive damage burst, constant good damage, and adrenaline gain? Yes please! It’s just too bad that people think you have to have signet of might to make it work. You don’t. And if you say you do, you need to practice.

Longbow
Scorched Earth. That’s all I need to say. The weapon is Awesome in PVP, WvW, and PVE. It’s not meta anymore, but it’s still a great weapon.

emkelly.2371:

It’s just too bad that people think you have to have signet of might to make it work. You don’t. And if you say you do, you need to practice.

Playing without signet of might is simply crippling yourself.

Rifle is about applying pressure and if you apply that pressure to let’s say a m/sh+gs warrior he will eventually pop endure pain (either from passive or active), that 4s of dps loss for you, and 4s of passive regeneration for him.

Then he will block you with shield, that’s another 3 seconds. Add to that regen from adrenal health.

If you run rifle without signet of might this basically resets the encounter. Unblockable attacks are one of the best tools that warrior has and it is really short cooldown additionaly boosting your power when you don’t need it. In my opinion in pvp every single warrior build benefits from unblockable attacks, as I said you can play without it but you simply cripple your performance. Not to mention it is a bane of dragonhunters and mesmers.

Even as a new player I can see the amount of projectile hate in this game, making signet of might pretty much necessary for a lot of fights, if you are playing ranged. The windows of opportunity you can have to actually hit things can be very small, there are so many blocks, evades, and reflects on short cooldowns. With enemies chain stealthing things are made even worse.

Kiting/Stealth classes using ranged attacks seem like the biggest counter to the Warrior’s strengths, it negates so much of what the Warrior relys on. It denies Adrenal Health, and Cleansing Ire due to loss of constant hits/adrenaline supply. They can also just sit back and wait out the cooldowns on our abilities, like Ignore Pain, Healing Signet, and even Berserk Mode.

PS, you forgot Bow.

Sorry fellows
forgot to say that this thread was mainly about PvP
That being said—
Anyone come up with a solid supportbuild yet, since i can only seem to make it work with DPSbuilds ( with different weapons)?

sneakytails.5629:

Even as a new player I can see the amount of projectile hate in this game, making signet of might pretty much necessary for a lot of fights, if you are playing ranged. The windows of opportunity you can have to actually hit things can be very small, there are so many blocks, evades, and reflects on short cooldowns. With enemies chain stealthing things are made even worse.

Kiting/Stealth classes using ranged attacks seem like the biggest counter to the Warrior’s strengths, it negates so much of what the Warrior relys on. It denies Adrenal Health, and Cleansing Ire due to loss of constant hits/adrenaline supply. They can also just sit back and wait out the cooldowns on our abilities, like Ignore Pain, Healing Signet, and even Berserk Mode.

PS, you forgot Bow.

you are correct. Fixed it. (or will after posting this.)

PvP wise, i would agree and even say axe is trash. I tried running axe/shield but mace simply does more damage and im running zerker ammy so whats even the point of it?

I then tried axe off hand and the 5 skill simply doesnt do enough damage to anything to be useful. I believe the 4 skill is a double axe come down where it gives fury but the range is like 130 and is frustrating to hit when everyone moves so fast now.

Also the rifle is a meh weapon in PvP. As someone who has been playing ele mostly in the ranked system. Its almost laughable when a warrior brings rifle, you have magnetic aura on warhorn/staff/focus. You have a shout to give it to team mates. A overload with stability to give to team mates and a Elite shout to give it to team mates.

Ive only seen 2 rifle warriors against my team this season i both have killed themselves in the game as if im not watching them. I literally run to who ever they are targeting and give the auras and wait for them to switch weapons.

Rifle imo is was better in S3 and was really its only usable time for good level PvP.

Romgaard.1965:

Shout-warrior= dead
banner-warrior= dead ( or at least in PvP and www)
DPS warrior= alive…IF you play with GS, longbow, mace ( well, who would have seen that one comming) and to some extend axe

Following weapons dead in the water: Hammer, sword, rifle, warhorn
Shield is still alive in PvP, dead in PvE and www.

so much for build diversity……….

Pretty much agreee with OP…..more or less anyways. I mean the OP probably is just making a point…..obv some variations are still relevant in some roles but not really for the meta or compared to what other classses can bring with their meta roles.

still see plenty of gunflame in pvp that rek people. ANd I still love my gunflame build in wvsw….just 1 shot everyone and butcher them with my gs…MAKES YOU FEEEEEL GOOOOOD compared to the meta.
Sword OH need some love. i can run bow mace/sword in wvsw just fine tho……its fun, gets boring tho and im back to gunflame. Condi in general is boring in anything other than pvp/pve imo. most of the warrior condi builds rely on single target stuns/focus…..so you can’t use them for wvsw type situations and expect to do well. Except if you run bow and rely on fire fields….in which case ur killing things that didn’t bring resistance to a fight and could be 1ko’d with a rifle…. or spending 5 minutes playing with anything that did……pretty boring.

kdaddy.5431:

PvP wise, i would agree and even say axe is trash. I tried running axe/shield but mace simply does more damage and im running zerker ammy so whats even the point of it?

I then tried axe off hand and the 5 skill simply doesnt do enough damage to anything to be useful. I believe the 4 skill is a double axe come down where it gives fury but the range is like 130 and is frustrating to hit when everyone moves so fast now.

Also the rifle is a meh weapon in PvP. As someone who has been playing ele mostly in the ranked system. Its almost laughable when a warrior brings rifle, you have magnetic aura on warhorn/staff/focus. You have a shout to give it to team mates. A overload with stability to give to team mates and a Elite shout to give it to team mates.

Ive only seen 2 rifle warriors against my team this season i both have killed themselves in the game as if im not watching them. I literally run to who ever they are targeting and give the auras and wait for them to switch weapons.

Rifle imo is was better in S3 and was really its only usable time for good level PvP.

I love facing eles with my rifle. They expect to be able to hide behind their projectile hate, but sig of might shuts down those dreams. Then, they’re silly thinking rifle is fully ranged. You then smack them with rifle butt, knocking them off point, then slap them with rifle 4 to imob them there. The point decaps, and they’re instantly a wasted space on the opposing team.

You’re also forcing their hand too. Oh, that kitten has brought a rifle, now I HAVE to swap to my projectile hate, and kitten that damage is hurting, well there goes all my invulns. Before that ele’s are having the time of their life, pursuing their dreams, using the skills they want to use. Then the kitteng warrior shows up and kittens all over them. It’s great! :D

Warrior has 2 viable builds for spvp, which is 1 more than many other classes.

Ross Biddle.2367:

kdaddy.5431:

PvP wise, i would agree and even say axe is trash. I tried running axe/shield but mace simply does more damage and im running zerker ammy so whats even the point of it?

I then tried axe off hand and the 5 skill simply doesnt do enough damage to anything to be useful. I believe the 4 skill is a double axe come down where it gives fury but the range is like 130 and is frustrating to hit when everyone moves so fast now.

Also the rifle is a meh weapon in PvP. As someone who has been playing ele mostly in the ranked system. Its almost laughable when a warrior brings rifle, you have magnetic aura on warhorn/staff/focus. You have a shout to give it to team mates. A overload with stability to give to team mates and a Elite shout to give it to team mates.

Ive only seen 2 rifle warriors against my team this season i both have killed themselves in the game as if im not watching them. I literally run to who ever they are targeting and give the auras and wait for them to switch weapons.

Rifle imo is was better in S3 and was really its only usable time for good level PvP.

I love facing eles with my rifle. They expect to be able to hide behind their projectile hate, but sig of might shuts down those dreams. Then, they’re silly thinking rifle is fully ranged. You then smack them with rifle butt, knocking them off point, then slap them with rifle 4 to imob them there. The point decaps, and they’re instantly a wasted space on the opposing team.

You’re also forcing their hand too. Oh, that kitten has brought a rifle, now I HAVE to swap to my projectile hate, and kitten that damage is hurting, well there goes all my invulns. Before that ele’s are having the time of their life, pursuing their dreams, using the skills they want to use. Then the kitteng warrior shows up and kittens all over them. It’s great!

If you are a bad ele yes but no there is absouletly no real reason to lose to a warrior in a 1 vs 1

kdaddy.5431:

Ross Biddle.2367:

kdaddy.5431:

PvP wise, i would agree and even say axe is trash. I tried running axe/shield but mace simply does more damage and im running zerker ammy so whats even the point of it?

I then tried axe off hand and the 5 skill simply doesnt do enough damage to anything to be useful. I believe the 4 skill is a double axe come down where it gives fury but the range is like 130 and is frustrating to hit when everyone moves so fast now.

Also the rifle is a meh weapon in PvP. As someone who has been playing ele mostly in the ranked system. Its almost laughable when a warrior brings rifle, you have magnetic aura on warhorn/staff/focus. You have a shout to give it to team mates. A overload with stability to give to team mates and a Elite shout to give it to team mates.

Ive only seen 2 rifle warriors against my team this season i both have killed themselves in the game as if im not watching them. I literally run to who ever they are targeting and give the auras and wait for them to switch weapons.

Rifle imo is was better in S3 and was really its only usable time for good level PvP.

I love facing eles with my rifle. They expect to be able to hide behind their projectile hate, but sig of might shuts down those dreams. Then, they’re silly thinking rifle is fully ranged. You then smack them with rifle butt, knocking them off point, then slap them with rifle 4 to imob them there. The point decaps, and they’re instantly a wasted space on the opposing team.

You’re also forcing their hand too. Oh, that kitten has brought a rifle, now I HAVE to swap to my projectile hate, and kitten that damage is hurting, well there goes all my invulns. Before that ele’s are having the time of their life, pursuing their dreams, using the skills they want to use. Then the kitteng warrior shows up and kittens all over them. It’s great! :D

If you are a bad ele yes but no there is absouletly no real reason to lose to a warrior in a 1 vs 1

“lose”, at worst it ends up a stalemate with the ele running around his decaped point. Which in conquest is a win if you missed it ;D

Romgaard.1965:

Shield is still alive in PvP, dead in PvE and www.

LOL Shield is the best off hand weapon for WvW roaming.