i just cant see any reason or in any situation that you’ll pick DotE over brawler’s Recovery. you can’t kill any faster and yet, you drop faster to condi than dropping your pants when your nake gf is waiting for you on the bed
And less damage because you will have less reckless dodge which severed as an unblockable source of damage. It was also a nice was to try and start of a burst because it closes distance, unblockable damage, and ensures stick and move is active.
So less dodge rolls, less damage and harder to stick to targets. I would say the sigil was OP but everyone had access to it. Kind of funny how its nerf hits what is currently the weakest pvp class in the game the hardest. Or maybe it can be a benefit because less dodge rolls will be available to dodge the warrior skills with huge tells. A dream of course.
Well, it will make dodge counting more reliable. We already have a riable source of vigor. Maybe I will finally be able to drop energy sigil from my bar. IDK what else to take in its place though.
Using DotE when you have Brawler’s Recovery…Do not complain about conditions then.
This
Although if they wanted us as Boon hate profession, in order to fill this role, they have to do something about DotE, make it baseline or something not pairing it with a very important trait to warrior survival.
I wish we could have some more build diversity. Why not having 3 amulets instead of 1? Like, 1 amulet with high stats, 2 with low stats or something.
Then we would have so much more choice to play arround with.
I do like some of the new amulet stats, but I also going to mis celestial and soldier :’(
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For all of the players saying they are having issues with condis just a quick question. Are you using a greatsword with CI and Berserker spec? Because if you are not than thats probably your problem/.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
people will l2dodge and use something more offensive or leech..
Ya I don’t understand how someone can take brawlers recovery over what seems like usually at least a 12% damage increase, when you have CI /w berserker spec and can spam burst skills faster than you can swap.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
people will l2dodge and use something more offensive or leech..
Ya I don’t understand how someone can take brawlers recovery over what seems like usually at least a 12% damage increase, when you have CI /w berserker spec and can spam burst skills faster than you can swap.
i mean like people will l2dodge and not take sigil of energy instead take blood, leech, hydromancy, air or intelligence w/e..
As for why not just rely on CI, I find chill, blind, and even cripple can make the CI cleanse awfully unreliable… or kiters, they can be tricky too. I also like Brawlers to quickly purge Fear.
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As for why not just rely on CI, I find chill, blind, and even cripple can make the CI cleanse awfully unreliable… or kiters, they can be tricky too. I also like Brawlers to quickly purge Fear.
This is exactly why I think CI is only good with certain weapons. BR allows me to be modular in my approach and guarantees 2 conditions removed per 10sec.
The ~10% damage from DotE doesn’t matter if you are dead or can’t reach the target.
I can say I honestly don’t have that problem Arc Devider is too easy to land. Range is huge and it doesn’t need a target. From my testing its larger than the rated 450 range and it hits targets behind you.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
I can say I honestly don’t have that problem Arc Devider is too easy to land. Range is huge and it doesn’t need a target. From my testing its larger than the rated 450 range and it hits targets behind you.
Long bow and gs probably the easiest burst skills to hit reliably.
Right now DotE is way better than brawler’s recovery.
1 condi every 5 seconds doesn’t do kitten against the current condi classes, whereas every has a kittentons of boons making DotE effectively a +15% damage boost most of the time.
Right now DotE is way better than brawler’s recovery.
1 condi every 5 seconds doesn’t do kitten against the current condi classes, whereas every has a kittentons of boons making DotE effectively a +15% damage boost most of the time.
The most important condi in this game are duration stacked, so having BR for chill, weakness, burn, confusion, or torment is huge.
DotE does nothing for you when you hit protection as its bonuses are all mitigated anyway.
Also, if you are melting from condi, you will not be able to do any damage because you are forced to play defensive anyway.
But if you try brawlers recovery, you may like the cleansing. I was surprised at first how much mitigation it is, with the berserker stance and the heal sig resistance.
Play what you like, but I assure you, there is much benefit in BR
BR is good when you have other ways to reliably condi cleanse, but on its own it’s not nearly enough against the amount of condi a rev or reaper is able to put on you.
DotE is a huge damage increase in this meta filled with boons, the fact that your target has protection or not is irrelevant since it would reduce your damage without DotE by just as much.
We can’t have a build with good sustain right now (this might change after patch), so imo it’s better to go all in on what warriors can currently do well : blow up a target.
And tbh I rarely die to condi, with zerker stance and proper dodging i dont eat that much condi, and when i do get condibombed I have signet of healing active.
atleast chibbi gets it. In the current meta you are not going to sustain nothing even with BR thats why its useless and everyone spams boons. Good luck even hurting bunkers without DOTE when everyone is on a bunker.
If this was to change and we go to a more burst meta, its not going to change for warriors becasue we already play that way. BR wont help you here either bcuz in a burst meta its kill or be killed.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Destruction of the empowered helps as much to kill people as brawlers recovery helps to survive – they don’t – the benefit is marginal.
And if we are going to a more burst meta, warrior will probably be even more useless. Doesn’t matter whether you run DotE or BR. Dps warrior always has and always had a huge disadvantage in a pvp – burst meta compared to classes who have access to instant-spikes/stealth/teleports.
Last time we had a burst meta, warrior was in a “good spot” but not really viable, tho. You had to run shoutbow then which is already nerfed to the ground.
Guess how it will be now.
which brings us back to the post i posted in another thread.
Getting laugh at in PvP matches before it even begins just make me feel…
A. Sad
B. Pathetic
C. Angry
D. Frustrated
E. Annoyed
F. All of the above.
Guys , please, be my guest, pick 1.
People went down on their knees and beg me to switch class in PvP match before it even begins just make me feel…
A. Sad
B. Pathetic
C. Angry
D. Frustrated
E. Annoyed
F. All of the above.
Guys, please, be my guest, pick 1.
Destruction of the empowered helps as much to kill people as brawlers recovery helps to survive – they don’t – the benefit is marginal.
And if we are going to a more burst meta, warrior will probably be even more useless. Doesn’t matter whether you run DotE or BR. Dps warrior always has and always had a huge disadvantage in a pvp – burst meta compared to classes who have access to instant-spikes/stealth/teleports.
Last time we had a burst meta, warrior was in a “good spot” but not really viable, tho. You had to run shoutbow then which is already nerfed to the ground.
Guess how it will be now.
In this meta DotE is on average a +18% bonus damage on most classes. It’s basically berserker’s power on steroid (active all the time) and it’s our biggest damage increase in a single trait. I wouldn’t say it doesn’t help to kill things and the benefit is marginal.
The only classes with a lot of boons who are viable in the current meta are scrapper, revenant and bunker mesmer. And even if you face only those classes you are far away from having average +18%.
Not to mention that this increased damage may look nice on the paper but has nearly no impact in fact. Especally, against scrapper,revenant and bunker mesmer, warrior is lacking massivly because of the amount of blocks, evades and invulnerability those classes bring with.
You probably could run both DotE and BR and you wouldn’t notice a significant difference that would make warrior not redundant.
That’s what I wanted to say – it doesn’t really matter which one of those two traits you pick. Their influence is too meaningless currently.
You clearly didn’t understand some point.None was saying that this trait doesn’t work.
We said that it’s influence is so marginal in the current meta that it doesn’t matter whether you take BR or DotE – both are equally bad/good. Damage numbers aren’t everything in pvp.
He hit me for 6.2k with 5 boons. Without DOTE he hit me for 5.2k. Anyone whoe thinks DOTE does not work or is not worth taking over BR has no idea what they are talking about.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
He hit me for 6.2k with 5 boons. Without DOTE he hit me for 5.2k. Anyone whoe thinks DOTE does not work or is not worth taking over BR has no idea what they are talking about.
Again, I don’t think anyone’s saying DotE doesn’t work. Whether it’s worth taking over BR depends on what you’re up against and what build you’re running.
The more direct damage oriented your build is, the more valuable DotE is, and conversely so the more your stats migrate to condi or defense. You’re right when you say BR doesn’t help much against a condi bomb, but as noted earlier it can keep you from taking many thousands of damage by removing high burn or bleed stacks, reduce damage and improve healing by removing poison, or remove conditions that can plummet your dps by far more than you’d get from DotE, like chill, fear, blind and immob.
I think they’re both good traits, personally. I’ve no idea why there’s a controversy here.
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The only classes with a lot of boons who are viable in the current meta are scrapper, revenant and bunker mesmer. And even if you face only those classes you are far away from having average +18%.
The 5 most played classes right now are :
druid
elementalist
mesmer (bunker)
revenant
scrapper
All of those classes spam boons all the time, and most of the time they have more than 6 boons on them.
Not to mention all the boonshare going on in a teamfight.
Not to mention that this increased damage may look nice on the paper but has nearly no impact in fact. Especally, against scrapper,revenant and bunker mesmer, warrior is lacking massivly because of the amount of blocks, evades and invulnerability those classes bring with.
+18% damage is +18% damage, the fact that the ennemy has a lot of block or not is irrelevant.
Pls stop.
Elementalist for example is far away from having 6 boons consistently so you never will have +18% average.
And yes as I said, this dmg increase sounds nice on the paper but it has no high impact in fact.
Your 18% dmg increase becomes pretty much meaningless when a lot of your skills don’t hit in pvp because of invulnerability and because of the fact that you can not stand in a teamfight long enough.
You try to make believe of this would be the kitten-skill itself, allthough there is no difference between running this or brawlers recovery with reference to warrior’s viability.
The only thing I can think of as to why dominik is arguing is he is very inexperienced regarding this topic. ANd ya ele can maintain at least 4-6 boons + the several other boons they are getting from others.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
I think there are also other things that he doesn’t understand.
If I take a look on some certain posts of him about pvp and warrior …
Here is my TOP List.
Top 4
Warrior
Thief
Guardian
Revenant
Bottom
Necro
Engi
Ele
Ranger
Mesmer
His opinion is exactly the opposite one of those players who have already a lot of tournement-experience in pvp. Everyone of them are saying that warrior stays trash with the current changes -especally in a burstmeta and everyone of them considers scrapper, druid and reaper top tier.
It seems like he is completly delusional about warrior
He is right about one thing tho, the build that forgives the lack of BR the most is a berserker build with CI and GS. I’ve been running a custom berserker greataxe and tbh its only thanks to how often I can spam arc divider (and he doesn’t even take smash brawler, which imho is way better than savage instinct given you can take outrage which is hands down the best stun break in game and instantly break the self stun from headbutt+gain 1 more stab stack and 3 might stacks) that I can get away with not taking BR, and even then I still take BR, because I’d rather cleanse that 8-10 stacks of torment from a mallyx rev instantly than have to use arc divider.
That being said I really don’t see how useful DotE will be if necros actually become very popular and start taking corrupt boon (wouldn’t surprise me seeing how condi reapers are everywhere and corrupt boon just means more dmg for them especially considering how regen becomes poison and that’s an excellent way to lower sustain since you heavily cut their healing). I mean first, corrupt boon will kitten on us warrs hard if its effectively put to use (and given the crazy cd reduce I think it will), it completely craps on balanced stance/last stand proc as well as fully neutering sig of rage’s active and can be essentially used as an on demand fear on any warrior running eternal champion who’s currently in berserker mode. Let’s not forget how now boon corrupting turns any might into 10sec of weakness and given how warrs always have might you can expect our kitten to be constantly under weakness if you come across a necro with corrupt boon, yeah what the hell is your kitten gonna do when you constantly get 10 secs of weakness applied to you from corrupt boon (or scepter auto #3) alone when you don’t have BR? CI? Sure it will save you but until you get the adrenaline you’ll be hitting like a wet noodle and your endurance regen will be gutted. Another point is that those same necros will be playing with you, and if they bring corrupt boon, they’ll be lowering the number of boons on your targets, rendering DotE less effective. In addition, durability runes are gone, and so is the 25% boon duration which more bunkers benefited from.
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