Guild Wars 2

Something is wrong when a class with over 3k armor (heavy armour + toughnes amulet) is getting hit by illusions for over 6k constantly, sry but either strength runes or something else causes this problem, but other glass canons would just get oneshotted by npcs.

Blackjack.5621:

other glass canons would just get oneshotted by npcs.

:happenedToMe: :ele:

this is normal nowadays – look at this img …. crazy, this happend in 1sec

AI is waaay broken right now! They buffed them too much…

but playing AI based class takes skills guys. You have to calculate for how much time you can afk until your AI kills everything.

lvis.3824:

this is normal nowadays – look at this img …. crazy, this happend in 1sec

So you failed to dodge two attacks from his phant and failed to not attack while he was blocking. Yes, so OP. :/

a t s e.9614:

but playing AI based class takes skills guys. You have to calculate for how much time you can afk until your AI kills everything.

Seriously what else do you want from us? I play berserker : Takes no skill, phantasm op. I play bunker: You have no skill you just never die. I play condi : Pu mesmer Op nerf, no skill. By this point people only want me to stand still and bend over. I think I should just roll a warrior or necro or ranger, or guard and either Zoo pet the whole place, or Stun or spam bow, cus I no longer have cred. This , please Anet remove my phantasms and give me an actual leap without having to target something, give me 25% speed trait or signet, give me a trait like eles or warriors to cleanse cripple , chill, immobilized etc… Please Anet gift me the power to have actual attacks and not kitten clones and phantasms for heavy damage. So i can finally hex people to death and not get a big rant on how my class is Op.

Seriously , this is nothing new, its the new rune sets and might stacking, my phantasm hit some poor guy for 11k when i went down, do you know how much 11k is?

On another note, I wouldn’t mind giving up my phantasms and clones, for some viable attacks that don’t require targetting, actual legit cleanse and speed traiting. Oh and while we on that track, less RNG spam on conditions and more trusty reliable fields , ty all

Like what if mesmers were a hybrid of thief and warrior Initiative and Adrenaline, and our skills were more like hexes, and once in a while we could proc a phantasm to do a one time burst while we could actually use our weapons

lvis.3824:

this is normal nowadays – look at this img …. crazy, this happend in 1sec

Hey that’s me We talked in-game about this (I’m Hypnossa).

@Narsil
I completely agree with you. When I play PU mesmer everyone complains that it’s OP and all I do is stay stealthed all the time, when I go berserker shatter build everyone complains about me being too bursty, now everyone complains about phantasmal builds. I don’t know what build to use on my mesmer!

I told Ivis in-game that according to the wiki damage formula the phantasmal swordsman’s max crit damage should be 7k if I had 6 stacks of might and he had 6 stacks of vulnerability. This alone would suggest that there’s something buggy going on with the phantasmal’s damage. However, some other threads that I went through said that phantasmals use their own weapon with its own strength. If that weapon’s strength is higher than a one-handed sword, then this could be as intended, and not be a bug. At the moment, we can’t know for sure as I searched everywhere and couldn’t find any more info on the subject. I also need to note that the damage I deal on heavy golems post-patch is the same as the damage I used to deal on them pre-patch.

Narsil.6579:

a t s e.9614:

but playing AI based class takes skills guys. You have to calculate for how much time you can afk until your AI kills everything.

Seriously what else do you want from us? I play berserker : Takes no skill, phantasm op. I play bunker: You have no skill you just never die. I play condi : Pu mesmer Op nerf, no skill. By this point people only want me to stand still and bend over. I think I should just roll a warrior or necro or ranger, or guard and either Zoo pet the whole place, or Stun or spam bow, cus I no longer have cred. This , please Anet remove my phantasms and give me an actual leap without having to target something, give me 25% speed trait or signet, give me a trait like eles or warriors to cleanse cripple , chill, immobilized etc… Please Anet gift me the power to have actual attacks and not kitten clones and phantasms for heavy damage. So i can finally hex people to death and not get a big rant on how my class is Op.

Seriously , this is nothing new, its the new rune sets and might stacking, my phantasm hit some poor guy for 11k when i went down, do you know how much 11k is?

On another note, I wouldn’t mind giving up my phantasms and clones, for some viable attacks that don’t require targetting, actual legit cleanse and speed traiting. Oh and while we on that track, less RNG spam on conditions and more trusty reliable fields , ty all

Like what if mesmers were a hybrid of thief and warrior Initiative and Adrenaline, and our skills were more like hexes, and once in a while we could proc a phantasm to do a one time burst while we could actually use our weapons

Oh look at that! Now you know how warriors feel! Have fun!

What is taking ANET so long here? Nerf passive skills, buff active ones. It isn’t that hard.

The QQ never ends…..

ghaleon.2861:

The QQ never ends….. PvE farmers i swear

Said the guy who QQ about thieves in all his other posts. Teef OP pls Nerf. At least thieves have to press buttons to win. Its not the faceroll AI that does all the work.

a t s e.9614:

ghaleon.2861:

The QQ never ends….. PvE farmers i swear

Said the guy who QQ about thieves in all his other posts. Teef OP pls Nerf. At least thieves have to press buttons to win. Its not the faceroll AI that does all the work.

You got me confused with somebody else kid.

Maybe we can get a fix in the next feature pack.

Everyway mesmers play its allways AI abuse and they get hate accordingly. Except that all the other AI classes cant do 7k+ Damage with their pets.. or insta cast them… or cast them on a dodge roll… or go invisible that long or on such short CD. There is the life advantage tho.

How do ppl get these numbers?
I’ve tried to make a phantasm build (complete mesmer newb btw, only know how to play pure shatter build) by taking all phantasm traits and dmg increase traits I can combined with strength runes and a celestial amulet (don’t like zerker, too kitten squishy) and I can’t get my illu swordie to crit any higher than maybe 5ishk on the unsuspecting glassy thief.

On a side note; what is this (current) PU build?
Usually when I fight mesmers I tend to blow em up so I can’t really tell who’s running what build (most I see just spam gs skills and the occassional sword shatter burst in between). XD

Glenn.3417:

and a celestial amulet

This is your problem. Phantasms are scaling from your stats, so you have to use Berserker or at least Valkyrie Amulet. We are not like MM Necros or Rangers who can go as tanky or condi heave as they want, and still have our AI deal direct damage, we have to go as offensive as possible.

Teutos.8620:

Glenn.3417:

and a celestial amulet

This is your problem. Phantasms are scaling from your stats, so you have to use Berserker or at least Valkyrie Amulet. We are not like MM Necros or Rangers who can go as tanky or condi heave as they want, and still have our AI deal direct damage, we have to go as offensive as possible.

Yeah going full glass cannon as mesmer is so risky because of no escape buttons.

Pride.1734:

Everyway mesmers play its allways AI abuse and they get hate accordingly. Except that all the other AI classes cant do 7k+ Damage with their pets.. or insta cast them… or cast them on a dodge roll… or go invisible that long or on such short CD. There is the life advantage tho.

I wont defend Phantasm Mesmers, but there are so many errors in your post, I don’t even know where to begin:

1. @AI abuse. Besides of Rangers, Mesmer are the only profession, whose class-mechanic is tied to AI. If Mesmers wouldn’t use AI, they only could use 3/5 of their weapon skills. At max. As I said, I do not want to defend Phantasm Builds or PU, but the reason those builds are populat is only, because they are easy to play and in additon, Builds like Shatter or Lockdown are usally overshadowed or countered by thieves.

2. There is no Phantasm you can instacast. There are only some skills, where Mesmers can instacast Clones. Are you rly complaining about clones, which do ~0 Damage and get destroyed with 2 hits?

3. Yea, Mesmer are the profession with the longest lasting stealth skill. Ever heared of Shadow Refuge? Have you ever heared of Thief in general?

Finally, I’d like to say, that Mesmer is probably the GW2 profession with the most bugs. The somtimes insane Phantasm Damage is probably a bug, but there also a lot of bugs, which harm Mesmers, like iLeap, IE, or Phatasmal Warden and Temporal Curtain (not stacking swiftness).

Syde.5961:

Narsil.6579:

a t s e.9614:

but playing AI based class takes skills guys. You have to calculate for how much time you can afk until your AI kills everything.

Seriously what else do you want from us? I play berserker : Takes no skill, phantasm op. I play bunker: You have no skill you just never die. I play condi : Pu mesmer Op nerf, no skill. By this point people only want me to stand still and bend over. I think I should just roll a warrior or necro or ranger, or guard and either Zoo pet the whole place, or Stun or spam bow, cus I no longer have cred. This , please Anet remove my phantasms and give me an actual leap without having to target something, give me 25% speed trait or signet, give me a trait like eles or warriors to cleanse cripple , chill, immobilized etc… Please Anet gift me the power to have actual attacks and not kitten clones and phantasms for heavy damage. So i can finally hex people to death and not get a big rant on how my class is Op.

Seriously , this is nothing new, its the new rune sets and might stacking, my phantasm hit some poor guy for 11k when i went down, do you know how much 11k is?

On another note, I wouldn’t mind giving up my phantasms and clones, for some viable attacks that don’t require targetting, actual legit cleanse and speed traiting. Oh and while we on that track, less RNG spam on conditions and more trusty reliable fields , ty all

Like what if mesmers were a hybrid of thief and warrior Initiative and Adrenaline, and our skills were more like hexes, and once in a while we could proc a phantasm to do a one time burst while we could actually use our weapons

Oh look at that! Now you know how warriors feel! Have fun!

Mesmers have been being complained about like this since Warriors were free kills in PvP. This isn’t new at all.

Like back when Phantasms could be cast without line of sight, or when confusion did full damage in WvW.

Glenn.3417:

How do ppl get these numbers?
I’ve tried to make a phantasm build (complete mesmer newb btw, only know how to play pure shatter build) by taking all phantasm traits and dmg increase traits I can combined with strength runes and a celestial amulet (don’t like zerker, too kitten squishy) and I can’t get my illu swordie to crit any higher than maybe 5ishk on the unsuspecting glassy thief.

No idea what the exact numbers are on zerker…. but as engineer my standard condi dmg goes down by 25% and my burns by 20% if i switch to celestial. So that might be a substantial part of the difference youre seeing.

You tanked full damage from a zerker amulet wearer, while probably wearing zerker yourself, and therefore died.

They can nerf phantasm when they buff shatter damage or preferably bring back pre-hotfix powerblock.

Sucks the most for honest Shatter mesmers like me :/
I get hate tells from pvehotjoin heros all the time,
“omg ur so skill, ai ftw, gg”

Most of the time they die because they eat 4 Mind wrack 3 Cry of confusion instantly..(Roughly 16k damage with Blurred frenzy going)
Highest warlock crit I’ve seen so far in game was 8k, on a thief, with 25 vuln (oh yea, sit in my chaos storm bro) and 19 might on me.

Pro tips: Don’t sit in chaos storm, Each time you’re dazed? That’s 8 vuln. if you get 25 vuln on you, My auto attacks start hitting for 2.6k.

SteepledHat.1345:

lvis.3824:

this is normal nowadays – look at this img …. crazy, this happend in 1sec

So you failed to dodge two attacks from his phant and failed to not attack while he was blocking. Yes, so OP. :/

Getting instasliced without a nanosecond to react by 8k dmg is something you can’t dodge. That is the truth. Now go back to your thief/warrior and eat cats.

Darnis.4056:

Sucks the most for honest Shatter mesmers like me :/
I get hate tells from pvehotjoin heros all the time,
“omg ur so skill, ai ftw, gg”

Most of the time they die because they eat 4 Mind wrack 3 Cry of confusion instantly..(Roughly 16k damage with Blurred frenzy going)
Highest warlock crit I’ve seen so far in game was 8k, on a thief, with 25 vuln (oh yea, sit in my chaos storm bro) and 19 might on me.

Pro tips: Don’t sit in chaos storm, Each time you’re dazed? That’s 8 vuln. if you get 25 vuln on you, My auto attacks start hitting for 2.6k.

Interesting…Let’s forget about the ridiculous Phantasm damage on their own.

You say you can also do 16k damage “instantly” while evading attaches AND stack multiple conditions in a 240 range AND build 19 might AND add more vulnerability for a daze AND have your auto attacks hit for up to 2.6k if your opponents make a mistake.

Ooops…I forgot about your “Cry of Confusion” too (it’s actually Cry of Frustration, FYI).

Is all this massive damage and good stuff on 180 second cooldown? No?
60 seconds? No? 45 seconds? Nope?

Can’t you also be stealthed, harder to target, and/or blink out of range too???

If it only works on PvE heroes, then please elaborate further why you play this build…

Thanks for being a self-proclaimed “honest shatter mesmer”. I understand the profession has a few counters at high level, but here’s the problem….

If a newbie gets penalized this bad for making a mistake and it can happen to them over and over and over….every 30 seconds at least…then I think you highlighted a big problem and, ironically, gave yourself the evidence of why you get those PMs.

Soooo, how long until this is fixed Anet? I love being hit for 7k on iBerserk. That’s the same damage I expect from Backstab thieves, but it’s ranged and it’s on a freaking AI. Let’s also not forget it doesn’t need a setup, at all

Yeah, the damage on AI is broken right now.

Ranger pets, AI from rune bonuses, Mesmer clones, summoned AI such as the glyph elementals, svanir/chieftain and the legacy keep npc’s are all hitting WAY too hard at the moment.

I hope this gets fixed before the Tournament of Legends

SPESHAL.9106:

You say you can also do 16k damage “instantly” while evading attaches AND stack multiple conditions in a 240 range AND build 19 might AND add more vulnerability for a daze AND have your auto attacks hit for up to 2.6k if your opponents make a mistake.

He never said he could do all of those things at the same time although it is possible to do a couple of them at the same time. Getting all of this to happen though isn’t as easy as you make it out to be. Since most people aren’t braindead.

SPESHAL.9106:

Is all this massive damage and good stuff on 180 second cooldown? No?
60 seconds? No? 45 seconds? Nope?

Why would it be? Mesmers have to use multiple skills to set up high burst so why would it all be on such a long cooldown when this is supposed to be a fast paced game?

SPESHAL.9106:

Can’t you also be stealthed, harder to target, and/or blink out of range too???

And other classes can’t possibly do this………

SPESHAL.9106:

If a newbie gets penalized this bad for making a mistake and it can happen to them over and over and over….every 30 seconds at least…then I think you highlighted a big problem and, ironically, gave yourself the evidence of why you get those PMs.

You’re right. It’s a big problem that people don’t know what mesmer’s highly telegraphed skills do. Maybe if they are really having that much trouble they could, oh I don’t know, look it up? There’s so much information as to what our weaknesses are and how long our cooldowns are but people don’t know any of it out of pure ignorance. If I’m having trouble against a spec, I look up what makes it strong and then take advantage of its weaknesses. If you aren’t willing to do the same then don’t complain.

lvis.3824:

this is normal nowadays – look at this img …. crazy, this happend in 1sec

Btw, am I the only one, who is more impressed by the illusionary riposte, than by the Swordsmen?

EverythingEnds.4261:

lvis.3824:

this is normal nowadays – look at this img …. crazy, this happend in 1sec

Btw, am I the only one, who is more impressed by the illusionary riposte, than by the Swordsmen?

It certainly shows how glassy they both were.

I’m easily doing 7k dmg with iBerserk, on other glass cannos. Previews it was 4k~6k. Now it’s more like 5.5k~8k

Deym,, People really just want to F the mesmer some more.

People whined about Confusion
People whined about Power Block
Destroyed Glamour Builds
People Whined about PU
People whined about shatter being too bursty

Whats Next?

Seriously anyone know whats the common ages of people playing this game?

Majority of them act like cry babies.

Evan Lesh.3295:

There is currently a bug with all NPC damage in PvP being higher than intended. We are shooting to get this fixed before the Tournament of Legends.

Yup. Noticed this on everything except necro minions. I wonder, anyone been hit like crazy by an engi turret lately? I wouldn’t know being as I am always on the giving end of that one. But I am curious.

StickerHappy.8052:

Deym,, People really just want to F the mesmer some more.

People whined about Confusion
People whined about Power Block
Destroyed Glamour Builds
People Whined about PU
People whined about shatter being too bursty

Whats Next?

Seriously anyone know whats the common ages of people playing this game?

Majority of them act like cry babies.

So you feel this damage is ok?

Evan Lesh.3295:

There is currently a bug with all NPC damage in PvP being higher than intended. We are shooting to get this fixed before the Tournament of Legends.

What numbers are we talking?

Lordrosicky.5813:

Evan Lesh.3295:

There is currently a bug with all NPC damage in PvP being higher than intended. We are shooting to get this fixed before the Tournament of Legends.

What numbers are we talking?

High numbers, like 2 shotting glass cannons

lvis.3824:

this is normal nowadays – look at this img …. crazy, this happend in 1sec

Rofl, I found a new main! Let AI do the deeps for me while I go eat lunch.

Evan Lesh.3295:

There is currently a bug with all NPC damage in PvP being higher than intended. We are shooting to get this fixed before the Tournament of Legends.

Any chance mesmer will get any bug fixes before the ToL? Seeing as power block was nerfed and our damage will go back to pre patch.

Asomal.6453:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Evan Lesh.3295:

There is currently a bug with all NPC damage in PvP being higher than intended. We are shooting to get this fixed before the Tournament of Legends.

What numbers are we talking?

High numbers, like 2 shotting glass cannons

Because heaven forbid precious thieves get 2 shotted.

That explain my ele bunker dying to engi turrets while engi just sit and watch.

That never happened before the patch.

Evan Lesh.3295:

There is currently a bug with all NPC damage in PvP being higher than intended. We are shooting to get this fixed before the Tournament of Legends.

Hmm really fast

Bug Fix
Fixed a bug that caused NPCs and player-summoned creatures to hit for excessive damage in sPvP.

Can anyone reveal what was causing the bug? I was one of many that didn’t notice the increase, and I played on the receiving end.

Proven.2854:

Can anyone reveal what was causing the bug? I was one of many that didn’t notice the increase, and I played on the receiving end.

I don’t know. but all AI make + 50% +- DMG

PhDusk.2590:

Evan Lesh.3295:

There is currently a bug with all NPC damage in PvP being higher than intended. We are shooting to get this fixed before the Tournament of Legends.

Any chance mesmer will get any bug fixes before the ToL? Seeing as power block was nerfed and our damage will go back to pre patch.

It was a bugfix not a nerf. If you thought the way it was working before made any sense then there is no hope for you.

Now the damage on zerker is 2k :/ Warlock is 1.8k on ele.

gg Mesmers.

Darnis.4056:

Now the damage on zerker is 2k :/ Warlock is 1.8k on ele.

gg Mesmers.

Kinda hilarious how Mesmer were sort of “viable” because of bugs. Now we are worse than eles haha.

Was this sPvP only? That would kind of explain why nearly no one knew about it, then.

Carighan.6758:

Was this sPvP only? That would kind of explain why nearly no one knew about it, then.

the official patch update does say its only spvp

RIP 10k Ranger Wolf crits :[

I know its just a bugfix but it feels like nerfs. /sadness