First Offense- One hour
Second Offense- Two hours
Third Offense- Three hours
and so forth
Make it reset every 24 hours.
Also for the bad ISP argument. If you dc or lag out, just make it back before the game ends and it doesn’t count penalty.
And if I DC at 490-450? Any system that gives that kind of penalty to innocent people is never going to be implemented. Ever. Any dev that would even suggest that would soon find himself out of a job.
First Offense- One hour
Second Offense- Two hours
Third Offense- Three hours
and so forth
Make it reset every 24 hours.
Also for the bad ISP argument. If you dc or lag out, just make it back before the game ends and it doesn’t count penalty.
And if I DC at 490-450? Any system that gives that kind of penalty to innocent people is never going to be implemented. Ever. Any dev that would even suggest that would soon find himself out of a job.
Not really. Counter Strike has a similar system for leaving competitive games, but much worse. Can get up to a week.
You cannot penalize people for leaving until the main reasons for leaving are addressed.
(5v4s, premades vs pugs, afkers etc).
Another cautious issue is being placed in a group with a load of heal spec warriors and signet mesmers. Why should you spend the next 15 mins of your life as a corpse because of a bad team? I think I’d rather auto run into a wall and go do something productive.
You cannot penalize people for leaving until the main reasons for leaving are addressed.
(5v4s, premades vs pugs, afkers etc).
Another cautious issue is being placed in a group with a load of heal spec warriors and signet mesmers. Why should you spend the next 15 mins of your life as a corpse because of a bad team? I think I’d rather auto run into a wall and go do something productive.
That’s the luck of the draw. When you sign up for a tPvP you make a commitment to stick with your team throughout the match. By leaving you make it worse for them and punish them for playing.
When you sign up for a tPvP you make a commitment to stick with your team throughout the match.
Disagree sir. I’d say you sign up with the expectation of a fun and fair fight using arenanet’s sophisitcated matchmaking algorithms and rules. If that is delivered, then by all means fight with your team until the end. Close matches are everyone’s favorite, I’m sure. When that is not delivered I think a player has every right to walk away, since it’s not what they expected and certainly not why they are playing this game.
First Offense- One hour
Second Offense- Two hours
Third Offense- Three hours
and so forth
Make it reset every 24 hours.
Also for the bad ISP argument. If you dc or lag out, just make it back before the game ends and it doesn’t count penalty.
And if I DC at 490-450? Any system that gives that kind of penalty to innocent people is never going to be implemented. Ever. Any dev that would even suggest that would soon find himself out of a job.
that’s why your given a time limit to get back into the game or risk penalty thats how lol and dota does it
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First Offense- One hour
Second Offense- Two hours
Third Offense- Three hours
and so forth
Make it reset every 24 hours.
Also for the bad ISP argument. If you dc or lag out, just make it back before the game ends and it doesn’t count penalty.
And if I DC at 490-450? Any system that gives that kind of penalty to innocent people is never going to be implemented. Ever. Any dev that would even suggest that would soon find himself out of a job.
that’s why your given a time limit to get back into the game or risk penalty thats how lol and dota does it
I don’t really understand if there is anything to punish leavers at the moment (I’ve never left a game as of yet) so if anything like this is already in place forgive my ignorance.
Wouldn’t the simplest solution be to simply count a leave as a loss, or keep them in the match regardless of logging out/quitting/etc and tacking whatever happens to his team on him?
I’ve been seeing more and more people leave if things go wrong. Heck, people have been leaving on just a bad initial push. I’d like something to be done, however a two hour ban seems a little extreme.
When you sign up for a tPvP you make a commitment to stick with your team throughout the match.
Disagree sir. I’d say you sign up with the expectation of a fun and fair fight using arenanet’s sophisitcated matchmaking algorithms and rules. If that is delivered, then by all means fight with your team until the end. Close matches are everyone’s favorite, I’m sure. When that is not delivered I think a player has every right to walk away, since it’s not what they expected and certainly not why they are playing this game.
GW1 had a leaver’s penalty. It’s only a matter of time before they get one in GW2 as well. Players have the right to walk away of course. But there will be consequences to exercising that right.
Your team expects you to pull through and stay with them especially when they’re losing. Ditching them deserves punishment. Because remember you’re not in this by yourself in tPvP. Hotjoin, yes. tPvP no.
I agree with the op solo ques crap out our rating enough as it is without the jerks that que up and go make a samich. I think he means from being able to que again but a 2 hour game ban would be more effective.
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GW1 also had a resign feature which worked very well so as not to punish people that want to quit a game because they don’t like it. You don’t like the matchup and don’t want to be punished for leaving? Just use /resign and all problems are solved. If you just leave without warning a penalty is important, and needed.
Games are usually 5-20 minutes (15 minutes for 85% of them I reckon).
isnt the time limit for a SPvP game 15min? so you just CANT have a game longer than that i think you forgot that average game is about 10-12min usually
but true, ppl should be anyhow punished for leaving rated games
I’m still somewhat confused on why people that don’t understand TPvp (and don’t try to even learn it [there are plenty of youtube vids]) try to learn. There is no way you can ever “casually” play solo que ever and learn how to actually Tpvp, makes me miss paid tourny’s, but that’s another rant. I won’t lie and say I haven’t left some games because once you are down 200+ points, there is literally no reason to play unless you want them to glory farm you. I just hold out for a resign feature, but knowing this community, this will get exploited QUICK.
Yeah if they are winning really big by 200+ then sometimes I just stay dead instead of respawning or I respawn and /dance at the spawn point instead of letting them farm glory.
There should be a vote sytem to vote with at least 3 people majority(out of 5) to end the game(and get a loss without having to let them farm you for glory).
Games are usually 5-20 minutes (15 minutes for 85% of them I reckon).
isnt the time limit for a SPvP game 15min? so you just CANT have a game longer than that i think you forgot that average game is about 10-12min usually
but true, ppl should be anyhow punished for leaving rated games
I don’t really understand if there is anything to punish leavers at the moment (I’ve never left a game as of yet) so if anything like this is already in place forgive my ignorance.
Wouldn’t the simplest solution be to simply count a leave as a loss, or keep them in the match regardless of logging out/quitting/etc and tacking whatever happens to his team on him?
A leave counts as a loss, but it is a loss shared by all of your teammates, too. So, one leaver affects the MMR of all 5 people on the team.
Bad ISP = 2 hour time out!!
Wow how has this not been implemented!?!?!?!
Has a bad connection but continues to tpvp lol…
No I don’t but other people have bad connections.
Screw them right?
Well if they KNOW they have a bad connection and still go tpvp screwing up a whole team…then yes…screw them back..
I have a decent connection but sometimes i lag a lot, and when i lag i go hotzerg only, until everything works perfectly fine, because i know i could be a problem for my team and i could lead them to lose…..just saying…so yes, if you have a bad connection and you still go tpvp giving a kitten bout your team a punishment is definately needed too..
Can you really blame someone for leaving, if you get a premade vs pick up again and the score is something like 300 to 50? It’s a total waste of time.
Anet is to blame for not fixing this stupid system anytime soon.
I don’t really understand if there is anything to punish leavers at the moment (I’ve never left a game as of yet) so if anything like this is already in place forgive my ignorance.
Wouldn’t the simplest solution be to simply count a leave as a loss, or keep them in the match regardless of logging out/quitting/etc and tacking whatever happens to his team on him?
A leave counts as a loss, but it is a loss shared by all of your teammates, too. So, one leaver affects the MMR of all 5 people on the team.
I’m assuming that you mean the leave counts as a loss for the leaver, and then losing the game counts as a loss for the remainder of the team. Losing double would be unfortunate.
In all I don’t really see the issue then. Yes, it sucks when somebody leaves, but does it ruin my day? Not really. I really doubt leavers are why anybodies behind on the leaderboards, I get matched against 4 as often as I end up with 4 personally (well, probably end up with 4 a bit more due to premades).
Ideally though I think if somebody dropped from a team they could be ‘hot filled’ with another player in queue if both scores are under 100. Everybody’s happy no?
Even though my internet is good it sometimes does lose connection, I’ve lost connection during a mAT before. So even with good internet it does happen and a 2hour ban is just insane.
I don’t think people should be punished severely if they dc, if it’s avoidable. That’s the way it was in GW1, you could reconnect to a game and not be punished (usually, wasn’t a bugless system).
You shouldn’t be punished for a single leave/dc
If you return to the game you shouldn’t be punished
Reporting should be a feature
tPvP premade should not have punishment for leaving
Consistent leavers should be more severely punished
Actual bans (as in you can’t play gw2 at all) should only be given by anet through the report feature on their site.
Resign feature needs introduction
So a 20 minute ban (from pvp) for leaving 2 games (or reported enough) and then it increases if you continue to leave.
If they get reported by the site and clearly are trying to lose games then game bans can be induced.
I feel strongly that >20m bans from pvp on dc players extremely unfair and should never be considered. Not everybody can afford $100+ a month for internet. Some people have brothers or sisters who trip over internet cables. Some people have an emergency while playing.
Players who leave purely to disrupt the game or are angry should be banned or given a time out.
you have time to log back in to avoid a penalty, rift does this. if you can’t log back in within the time they give you you are either afk or have a horrid connection and shouldn’t be doing matches.
The beauty of GW2 is that it is actually 3 games in one. So, if a player happens to be a dou’che to his team and leaves mid-match, and they get tourney-banned for 2 hours, they can still enjoy hot join PvP, WvW, and PvE. They’ll just be barred from the most competitive aspect of the game temporarily.
Counter strike and league of legends have harsh punishments for leaving/afking/dc, but they’re team/E-sports so thats expected…. If GW2 was to be an E-sport (which doubtfully will happen in the next 2-4 years) then that function would be expected and the penalty would be as severe. If you have connection issues and/or want to play on another regions server in which you have bad latency with, unfortunatly you are better off not competing…your connection will cause you losses and you will cripple you from advancing anyway, and you will ruin atleast 4 other players experience. If you have this problem, best off playing hotjoin/custom arenas for your spvp needs or gamble getting suspended or worst.
This is just how it is in competitive modes for E-sport games, it is not new, and it is necessary for the greater good.
LoL punishment is too hard. I heard they even ban accounts completely. For Guild Wars 2 it would be enough with some sort of timed penelty that prevents you from joining for some time.
If they really want esports there would be premade teams that just “ban” the players from their team if the players are bad and disconnect often because of bad connection.
Really don’t need to completely ban them from tPvP if it only happens in randoms. The rating drop should be enough if they do it too often since they always get losses.
The rating drop should be enough if they do it too often since they always get losses.
Except the rating of the other 4 teammates drops the same. They move down the ladder together because of that one leaver. Nothing is isolating the leaver from legit players who want to compete. It, literally, drags everybody down.
And the opposing team who wins gets no satisfaction from winning a 5v4. That one leaver affects 10 players in a bad way.
LoL punishment is too hard. I heard they even ban accounts completely. For Guild Wars 2 it would be enough with some sort of timed penelty that prevents you from joining for some time.
If they really want esports there would be premade teams that just “ban” the players from their team if the players are bad and disconnect often because of bad connection.
Really don’t need to completely ban them from tPvP if it only happens in randoms. The rating drop should be enough if they do it too often since they always get losses.
too hard? yet the game is immensely more popular/ successful. Definitely not too hard.
the only people who ever fight against penalties like these are those who know they would be hit with it often and shouldnt be doing rated gameplay to begin with.
The rating drop should be enough if they do it too often since they always get losses.
Except the rating of the other 4 teammates drops the same. They move down the ladder together because of that one leaver. Nothing is isolating the leaver from legit players who want to compete. It, literally, drags everybody down.
And the opposing team who wins gets no satisfaction from winning a 5v4. That one leaver affects 10 players in a bad way.
If the system was working somehow… then the the other players should not get leavers all the time… meaning the leaver would go down in ranking faster and eventually he well meet other leavers down there forming teams of only leavers at the bottom of the ranking(and would need a premade to help him get out of there).
But I don’t think that is possible. That elo or similar systems are not made for teams vs teams. They are used for 1 vs 1. to rank individuals and according to wiki they are also used in some sports to rate teams but I doubt the calculate an individual’s rating there based on some team perforcance because you just don’t know how much one player helped the team to get a win.
That Trueskill system from Microsoft I made a thread about also mentions these flaws of Elo, Glicko and stuff like that but I don’t know if there system is better(it says it would be better).
LoL punishment is too hard. I heard they even ban accounts completely. For Guild Wars 2 it would be enough with some sort of timed penelty that prevents you from joining for some time.
If they really want esports there would be premade teams that just “ban” the players from their team if the players are bad and disconnect often because of bad connection.
Really don’t need to completely ban them from tPvP if it only happens in randoms. The rating drop should be enough if they do it too often since they always get losses.
too hard? yet the game is immensely more popular/ successful. Definitely not too hard.
the only people who ever fight against penalties like these are those who know they would be hit with it often and shouldnt be doing rated gameplay to begin with.
LoL you can just make a new account for free. I often do it to troll because it’s fun. Guild Wars 2 the players pay for the account. I doubt it would get more popular by banning a lot of players.
1st disconnect a day: Nothing happens.
2nd disconnect a day: maybe 30 minutes temp blocked from joining matches.
and then increasing every further disconnect a day. That would be enough. People W-LAN should not use W-LAN and I doubt there are other reasons for bad connection… I know a lot of people still using W-LAN and then complaining if something is interfering with W-LAN signal and causing connection problems.
There can’t be that bad providers that it is the problem of the provider if you disconnect 100 times a day.
The beauty of GW2 is that it is actually 3 games in one. So, if a player happens to be a dou’che to his team and leaves mid-match, and they get tourney-banned for 2 hours, they can still enjoy hot join PvP, WvW, and PvE. They’ll just be barred from the most competitive aspect of the game temporarily.
Am I not merciful?
Nope, not at all no need for punishment due to d/c and bad latency. If a player decides to ragequit in a match then their lost is not being on that team anymore and they will have to find a new team or do not rage quit again. Now having it displayed on leaderboards how many times this player has ragequit would be priceless xD.
Now through spectator mode we can see if the player really did ragequit or got d/c. I think the Devs got the control of that data.
The beauty of GW2 is that it is actually 3 games in one. So, if a player happens to be a dou’che to his team and leaves mid-match, and they get tourney-banned for 2 hours, they can still enjoy hot join PvP, WvW, and PvE. They’ll just be barred from the most competitive aspect of the game temporarily.
Am I not merciful?
Nope, not at all no need for punishment due to d/c and bad latency. If a player decides to ragequit in a match then their lost is not being on that team anymore and they will have to find a new team or do not rage quit again. Now having it displayed on leaderboards how many times this player has ragequit would be priceless xD.
Now through spectator mode we can see if the player really did ragequit or got d/c. I think the Devs got the control of that data.
quick note, another thing to add maybe is perhaps leave the names of those who DID leave on the scoreboard, but greyed out or sth. just so people are more aware? actually. donno if that’d be a good thing. would onyl be beneficial if there were to be a reporting system.
but then again, you don’t aptly deal with those you happened to DC.
is it too sophisticated to perhaps ask for a system where it can tell if someone just DC-ed or the user actively chose to “leave”? and then the system acn put a cost on those who do choose to leave deliberately?
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As said many times before – first split premades from solo que, then impose punishments.
On a side note, I hope you realize that leaving is only ever punished in arenas that are random by nature, and what that tells about TPVP. As for me, I see no reason to punish leaving when it becomes obvious it’s a waste of time.
Adding the option to resign would be great if/once they split up the arenas, because having to sit out a losing match of 500-50 is just meow.
Besides, I recommend that everyone who is doing guess work and theory crafting on what could be implemented should refer to GW1 dishonour system. It’s not perfect, but it’s a pretty solid solution.
On the argument of punishing DCs…yea that one doesn’t hold water. It happens. Mind that a d/h system wouldn’t be needed to start with if tpvp was actually team arenas instead of random arenas.
P.S. Hate to brake it to you, but the ‘most competitive aspect’ of this game is pve (including wvw), not pvp. You are free to show me this amazing competitiveness you’re seeing in pvp though. I’m all eyes.
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the way dota2 does it they give you a penalty of low match making so you get low priority on que and you also lose out on the ability of getting rank and items after matches maybe anet could introduce this method
And before says my build doesn’t work, when Ele’s get nerfed it will be -Schwahrheit
Maybe 2 hour is too harsh, instead I would rather make penalty in form of rank loss.
For example if you lose game, but you stay and fight, then you lose normal amount of rank.
But if you leave then you lose 3x rank. That way leavers will sink to bottom and we wont have to deal with them in higher and more serious rank range.
Also I feel like solo q ranking is nonsense. Maybe add like filter on page, where u can see solo q ranking, something like amateur league.
i think you forgot that
average game is about 10-12min usually