Guild Wars 2

IB4 Grouchasaurus comes in to try and calm the masses with some vague reference to future updates that they’re unsure of and he used to hate hearing when he was a player….

brannigan.9810:

Get real WoW balanced way more often. You might not have liked what they did but WoW had like 10 million subs at its peak and tons of resources. This game has been out a year and a half and the pvp changes have been tiny.

Wow didnt get anything besides some bugfixes since 5.4, 4 months ago. Ahh ye they reverted one off the buffs they gave to warriors. So warriors dropped slightly from the 25% representation they aquired over night after 5.4 hit (they had a 2% representation before that).

I guess thats the type of balance patch you prefer?

I really hope they consider doing a balance patch before march/early april…this is ridiculous. Their blizzard style “strategy” of holding off on content to time with the release of another mmo is only going to hurt them…

This is exactly what blizzard does to WoW players before they announce an expansion or new patch…and it just so always happens to be right around the time of another new mmo. Last year blizzard released their mists of pandaria expansion pre patch literally 2 or 3 days before guild wars 2 launched. I feel like anet is trying to do the same….but they will fail at it…

The playerbase feels almost betrayed by the possible shady scheme that anets higher ups are trying to pull off. Just give us some balance changes already (specifically elementalist!!) The other “features” such as game modes should be held off for that march/april patch since anet is so sold on their strategy.

Is this some form of sick joke? were given streams on whats changing in pvp, the hype is unreal! and then we get left with no pvp update and 2 living story events that don’t work?

My god Anet youve done it again.

Josh Davis.6015:

Pyriall.5027:

IB4 Grouchasaurus comes in to try and calm the masses with some vague reference to future updates that they’re unsure of and he used to hate hearing when he was a player….

This was eerie. Are you in the air ducts?

We all are.

A-Net: Company that needs a kittening month to do something that a 15-year old with a bit of game-understanding could do in one day. Pathetic development, no excuses on this!

Nabbo.2845:

Josh Davis.6015:

Pyriall.5027:

IB4 Grouchasaurus comes in to try and calm the masses with some vague reference to future updates that they’re unsure of and he used to hate hearing when he was a player….

This was eerie. Are you in the air ducts?

We all are.

with sniper rifles….tom clancy style xD

Josh Davis.6015:

Pyriall.5027:

IB4 Grouchasaurus comes in to try and calm the masses with some vague reference to future updates that they’re unsure of and he used to hate hearing when he was a player….

This was eerie. Are you in the air ducts?

Not to be too forward, but was there some reasoning behind “rushing” to do a balance preview before a patch that wasn’t meant to contain the previewed balance changes? Especially with a “no ETA” policy?

I’m just wondering, because it seems like the balance preview could have either waited until next Friday’s (January 31) bi-weekly stream, or somebody could of just come out and said that today was going to be an empty balance patch with a few minor bug fixes.

Was there any sort of reasoning behind it? Scheduling purposes, anything?

Grouch is paid for typing on forums and doing those pvp streams about changes for 2020. Who wouldnt do that for money?

Anyway good luck with your speed of pvp development maybe next year you wont have to develop anything for pvp because there wont be any pvpers

Grouch any heads up on whats going on ?

Stop joking with us, thanks.
Make something happen instead of that kitten.

Grouch’s responses should show you exactly how ANET feels about its PVPers…

Josh Davis i really appreciate your hard job . . . and i know is not easy to get this patches and you all have very good reasons for this update.

But i really do not think that making sarcasm jokes is the best idea.

well making jokes vs their customers is simply unprofessional easy as that. I can accept it since he was “just” streaming guy till he get a job in ANET so he has no experience with behaviour to customers.

Josh Davis.6015:

The first ‘feature build’ as we’re calling it, won’t go live until the current Living World story arc wraps up. The next feature build will contain substantial PvP updates, the balance items we talked about on Friday, and hopefully even more things that we aren’t ready to talk about yet.

The scope of the balance changes going in is massive. Honestly, putting all of the changes we talked about on Friday straight into the game today would have been extremely kneejerk, and I’m sure many of you would agree that some of the changes needed additional eyes on them before they hit live. We want the time to go through the feedback and make adjustments, and we’re already doing that.

I’m sorry if we gave you the impression that there would be a balance update today – that was not our intent.

Ya that 8% nerf is massive.

Josh Davis.6015:

The first ‘feature build’ as we’re calling it, won’t go live until the current Living World story arc wraps up. The next feature build will contain substantial PvP updates, the balance items we talked about on Friday, and hopefully even more things that we aren’t ready to talk about yet.

The scope of the balance changes going in is massive. Honestly, putting all of the changes we talked about on Friday straight into the game today would have been extremely kneejerk, and I’m sure many of you would agree that some of the changes needed additional eyes on them before they hit live. We want the time to go through the feedback and make adjustments, and we’re already doing that.

I’m sorry if we gave you the impression that there would be a balance update today – that was not our intent.

Awesome, thanks for the reply

I can’t wait just to be able to read through those balance update notes lol.

Soo… is the balance preview thread going to be up soon?

Another ‘we arent rdy to talk’

Can’t wait.

SO As I said earlier guys: Nothing new for PVP til Mid-March at the earliest and even then don’t get your hopes up. The balance changes will be roughly the same size as usual. That “hopefully even more things that we aren’t ready to talk about yet.” he is referring to is probably a new map ala skyhammer and spirit watch even tho the community really needs a guild ladder/league system more than any map, in order to begin rebuilding some form of competitive scene. I would not anticipate seeing said ladder/league system until August at the earliest. Why am I so confident? Because this is exactly what ANET did last year and they are doing it almost exactly the same way this year…

Yo, they made it pretty clear that the changes they were discussing we’re in the planning stages only. They used language repeatedly throughout the stream to indicate that. I really hope that this is all some bad attempt at trolling, but by the sheer number of posts it seems like people are being genuine, which is downright baffling to be honest.

Personally, I’m pretty happy that we got an early peek at future balance ideas. It’s giving them plenty of time to their feedback and ideas from the community before they move forward, which is huge. Please take this time to review their proposals and tell the devs what you think so they can use that information in a positive way, and let’s cut down on these types of threads that don’t really help anyone, thanks.

The first ‘feature build’ as we’re calling it, won’t go live until the current Living World story arc wraps up. The next feature build will contain substantial PvP updates, the balance items we talked about on Friday, and hopefully even more things that we aren’t ready to talk about yet.

The scope of the balance changes going in is massive. Honestly, putting all of the changes we talked about on Friday straight into the game today would have been extremely kneejerk, and I’m sure many of you would agree that some of the changes needed additional eyes on them before they hit live. We want the time to go through the feedback and make adjustments, and we’re already doing that.

I’m sorry if we gave you the impression that there would be a balance update today – that was not our intent.

Your game needs massive changes now. Not in a month, not in 2, not at the end of the LS that remains bad until scarlet is finally killed. You’ve waited far too long and scrued up the game with every patch even more. What you have to do is reverting nearly every single balance patch that has been made the last six months. You need to restrict AI spam massively, restrict perma dodge and stealth massively, restrict condition spam massively and nerf all the stupid power creep in this game. Only afterwards there might be a little chance to balance the game.

So bring up these changes fast, no matter how much it might affect the entire gameplay on a negative or positive way. Anything would be better than the current estate of the game. Frankly, you did a very poor job.

And afterwards you can use the tons of good community feedback to make the game enjoyable again…

Josh Davis.6015:

Oidmetala.8426:

Josh Davis.6015:

Pyriall.5027:

IB4 Grouchasaurus comes in to try and calm the masses with some vague reference to future updates that they’re unsure of and he used to hate hearing when he was a player….

This was eerie. Are you in the air ducts?

hi, how you have make that there is no more winter in the mists?!
it must be so hard to do, great job!
thats exactly why i love your game so much, fast and nice changes <3

I’ve been melting the snow with a hair-dryer since dawn. Meltin’ ain’t easy.

yeah, now i understand.
its rly hard to melt down the snow in the mists, because actualy theres so much players running around all the time.
sometimes some new playersr dont see the cable of your hair dryer and fall down.
but thats actualy only the much new coming players, they dont know that you melt down the snow this winter in the mists.
you should use a hair-dryer with battery next yeahr, just do it for the much new coming pvp players, because they dont know you after they come first time into the mists.

who will make the snow next winter?
can you pls tell me how he is doing it, because that must be also rly hard to do

hey give him also 1 Infraction Point not only me! :P

Amityel.5324:

well making jokes vs their customers is simply unprofessional easy as that. I can accept it since he was “just” streaming guy till he get a job in ANET so he has no experience with behaviour to customers.

Lol, pull the stick out of your kitten , wow!

The only thing i wouldve loved to see was a:

As requested by the community we (temporarely) removed skyhammer from the soloq rotation. We will work hard to remove the cheese and make it a more enjoyable experience even for players who dont enjoy minigames.

To make sure that our efforts arent in vain we recruited some intelligent and experienced pvp players to playtest this map during multiple playsessions. Based on the feedback during those rounds we will try to turn the map from unlikeable to a crowd (community) favourite.

If only

Josh,

I understand the balance changes will occur in the beginning of March. Based upon your build cycle, I believe that means these changes need to be locked down sometime in the next 3-3.5 weeks.

Can we get some preview discussion threads going soon? There are quite a few people who have concerns the upcoming sigil and rune changes.

For example, will a fire+air sigils, married with a thief backstab crit, insta-gib players?
Are you nerfing Sigil of Energy?
Will Lyssa remain in its current (OP) state?
If you don’t want mix-n-match runesets, why even bother having 6 runes? Why not just simplify it to a single rune?

Josh Davis.6015:

jcbroe.4329:

Snip.

The sooner we talk about the changes the longer we have to react to feedback, as we’re always approaching deadlines. We mentioned that the changes wouldn’t be going in until the feature build, but I suppose that not everyone is familiar with that terminology quite yet. As I mentioned in a previous post, we’ll work on being more clear when discussing our plans.

That’s fine, I figured you guys hadn’t had enough time to work on such a substantial patch with the time between now and December 10th, combined with people being on break and out of town and such.

Admittedly I just don’t like seeing when you guys bring on unnecessary flak from the community. People tend to go a little overboard when they don’t see what they want and when they want it.

Locuz.2651:

The only thing i wouldve loved to see was a:

As requested by the community we (temporarely) removed skyhammer from the soloq rotation. We will work hard to remove the cheese and make it a more enjoyable experience even for players who dont enjoy minigames.

To make this happen we recruited some intelligent and experienced pvp players to playtest this map during multiple playsessions. Based on the feedback during those rounds we will try to turn the map from unlikeable to a crowd (community) favourite.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA now, don’t overwhelm them with requests. The competitive community has only been complaining about this map since its release last spring/summer. Give them some time to process this simple request to remove this map and spirit watch until they can be properly balanced. This takes time ya know, like 6+ months…. GOSH /sarcasm

Serdoc.7261:

Lol, pull the stick out of your kitten , wow!

Josh Davis.6015:

The first ‘feature build’ as we’re calling it, won’t go live until the current Living World story arc wraps up. The next feature build will contain substantial PvP updates, the balance items we talked about on Friday, and hopefully even more things that we aren’t ready to talk about yet.

The scope of the balance changes going in is massive. Honestly, putting all of the changes we talked about on Friday straight into the game today would have been extremely kneejerk, and I’m sure many of you would agree that some of the changes needed additional eyes on them before they hit live. We want the time to go through the feedback and make adjustments, and we’re already doing that.

I’m sorry if we gave you the impression that there would be a balance update today – that was not our intent.

Im glad you guys changed your style because for us, pvpers players, matchmaking, leaderboards, spectator mode only for hotjoins, skyhammer, soloq, dhuumfire patch was extremely kneejerk updates.

Im really thankfull you guys will not do that again and I’ll remember this post when the patch comes out.

Josh Davis.6015:

The first ‘feature build’ as we’re calling it, won’t go live until the current Living World story arc wraps up. The next feature build will contain substantial PvP updates, the balance items we talked about on Friday, and hopefully even more things that we aren’t ready to talk about yet.

The scope of the balance changes going in is massive. Honestly, putting all of the changes we talked about on Friday straight into the game today would have been extremely kneejerk, and I’m sure many of you would agree that some of the changes needed additional eyes on them before they hit live. We want the time to go through the feedback and make adjustments, and we’re already doing that.

I’m sorry if we gave you the impression that there would be a balance update today – that was not our intent.

thats all we hear since release and i bet in march you guyz say something like its not rdy but we will have pax and after pax maby …. and so on

i just don´t trust Arenanet anymore and its time to bring some results INGAME

Josh Davis.6015:

The first ‘feature build’ as we’re calling it, won’t go live until the current Living World story arc wraps up. The next feature build will contain substantial PvP updates, the balance items we talked about on Friday, and hopefully even more things that we aren’t ready to talk about yet.

The scope of the balance changes going in is massive. Honestly, putting all of the changes we talked about on Friday straight into the game today would have been extremely kneejerk, and I’m sure many of you would agree that some of the changes needed additional eyes on them before they hit live. We want the time to go through the feedback and make adjustments, and we’re already doing that.

I’m sorry if we gave you the impression that there would be a balance update today – that was not our intent.

and you have to implement everything at once because…?

Romek.4201:

silvermember.8941:

I feel like most of the people screaming ESO haven’t actually play the kitten game. The biggest threat do guild wars 2 is Wildstar, Eso seems to be one of those the glass is greener on the other side until you actually get there.

can´t be worse

It can be worse, but I feel like it is one of those things you should experience for yourself.

In any case always remember this “unreleased MMORPG are better than any MMORPG currently in the market…until they are released.” This has applied to almost every MMORPG that has been released since WOW and I don’t see any indication that this game will be the exception.

Josh Davis.6015:

The first ‘feature build’ as we’re calling it, won’t go live until the current Living World story arc wraps up. The next feature build will contain substantial PvP updates, the balance items we talked about on Friday, and hopefully even more things that we aren’t ready to talk about yet.

The scope of the balance changes going in is massive. Honestly, putting all of the changes we talked about on Friday straight into the game today would have been extremely kneejerk, and I’m sure many of you would agree that some of the changes needed additional eyes on them before they hit live. We want the time to go through the feedback and make adjustments, and we’re already doing that.

I’m sorry if we gave you the impression that there would be a balance update today – that was not our intent.

A feature build is a well defined software development term. Today was a feature build. Therefore “next feature build” refered to todays patch.

I’m sorry but there are only 2 ways this went down:
a) You guys lied
b) You guys don’t know basic software development terms

I’ll be gone till april then when the next quote feature build unquote will hit. Nobody cares about living story.

Josh Davis.6015:

jcbroe.4329:

Snip.

As I mentioned in a previous post, we’ll work on being more clear when discussing our plans.

You work on being more clear since release, but still nothing changed. Maybe pause the living story to finally build something for the PvP community, what already should have been done before release(automated tournaments, guild halls, different gamemodes).

Since release we got soloQ(good thing), private servers(im fine with them, but simply not nessesary), 2 new maps(good thing) and some balance updates(must have, but that can´t take much work).

So maybe be clear about how you justify what you´ve done for pvp, compared to what you´ve done for pve? And consider what you promised us before release, an amazing, never seen before pvp experience. Because thats the reason thousands of people bought this game, but all we see is more and more pve crap…

What about the whole balance preview then? When will that be posted? The day the quote feature build unquote will be released? lol

Shocked, stunned, amazed and appalled.

all i can say is i was a constant PvP player and as many other PvPer’s will say weve had enough of being held up so high by the developers and then dropped on our backs.

Dont be surprised if you lose a decent amount of players to other games because of this MONUMENTAL kitten up.

Well played and GG

Yeah, another customer lost. Fracking pve players get constant updates every 2 weeks yet we pvp players can’t even get balance changes once a month? That’s ridiculous

One dev mentioned that he fixed the bug which prevented rank points from tournament wins to count towards the title.

Why was it not in this patch, huh?

For 800 gems you can now clutter the screen more when you use a finisher!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3DPwhSO1N4

Noc.2459:

One dev mentioned that he fixed the bug which prevented rank points from tournament wins to count towards the title.

Why was it not in this patch, huh?

Good one, they did nothing as always.

XGhoul.7426:

For 800 gems you can now clutter the screen more when you use a finisher!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3DPwhSO1N4

omg looooooooool

This is aimed at the spirit ranger market

Since a dev so kindly responded to this topic i will ask 1 question

Will ranger be actualy viable as a heavy damage spec other then with swords and could the development team use our META build in dungeon when they actualy test their own features. Or so that way they can see what is going wrong for themselves. Everytime you guys did a test none of you seemed to actualy know how to play your class to begin with x.x makes everyone on the forum starts to question if you know what you are doing. To actualy feel like your players and understand your players you need to stand in their shoes.

Btway peoples i did do the Beta test for TESO. I wont reveal anything important however save for the fact it kept many of the lovely stuff elder scrolls game hold so dear and doesnt entirely feels like an MMO.

Ive played guild wars since guild wars 1 prophecies I believe in ANET and i know that ill still be playing reguardless of if i buy TESO or not. Ive always been cheering for Anet philosophy of a free sub buy and play game wich included freedom of choice and build creativity and will keep cheering and telling people to buy this game.

People complain about viability of builds however i know Anet cares for its community and will always work toward achieving a better game. Give them time and keep believing.

The game needs a major change that will stay and be significant to keep on par with the competition. Hasnt anet achieved those challange before? If they mean the change will be significant it will be. They had a year to prepare the content in the lab. It wont just be a fix to some mechanics it will likely be entirely new class skills and combat. Maybe well actualy get to see a gladiatorial dungeon style instance wich will put the emphase on surviving the longuest as possible and will reward the player based on achieved time! We might see dueling pvp or 5 v 5 death match the same as Guild wars 1. A Total rebirth of the random arena in a guild wars 2 fashion.

Builds are to restrictive due to the very small number of possible skill and utility. But if anet adds new utility and new traits we likely will expend further.

Traits choice are limited by their viability and either should either be revamper either balanced around. I know you guys working on it keep at it and well soon get a balance .

Many in game mechanics cannot be repaired (aka turrets and pets) to the player perfect expectation but can still be improved to mend up the mortal wound to something more looking like a scar at worse. Ive seen how beast mastery was improved in guild wars one with significant upgrade and im sure you guys will manage throught.

I will likely buy TESO. But i WONT stop playing Guild Wars 2 anytime soon. This games do deserve a place in one computer files and is worth to keep playing.

Locuz.2651:

Romek.4201:

they have to hold back content for the patch 1-2 weeks before teso release on 4.4.2014^^

22th march you will see everything you want

Exactly what ive been saying since that eurogamer interview. They are saving up goodies for that patch to keep people excited for GW2 when Wildstar and teso are releasing.

My guesses:

- Full fledged balance patch including some bigger changes.
- New uttilities and weaponcombinations.
- New pvp gamemodes
- New Laddersystem.
- Edge of the mists wvw map.
- Some kind of progression PvE.
- New zone (cough cantha cough)

There is 0% chance of Wildstar releasing in March

I think this forum thread simplified in its entirety is..

ANET being shotgun naded . . . for false hope and lousy execution.