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“We also realize that we can make mistakes but we dont care because I HAVE THE POWAAA!!”
You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…
because he doesn’t know it himself
because he doesn’t know it himself
I would rather have SoM on my Warrior then the current HS.
Whirling Axe healing me for 9750 with no healing power!? YES PLEASE!
What your forgetting is: Opportunity Cost
Heavy Armor is almost nothing in this game btw…
Yeah, actually, it’d heal for 100*15 = 1500 health, assuming you hit every hit, which you won’t if you’re playing against somebody half-competent.
As the commenter below mentioned to you, there is a fairly significant reduction in damage taken between heavy armor and light armor (it’s actually more like ~14.2%, but he/she was close enough). If every class was the exact same (exact same traits, weapons, attacks, etc), except for the armor, then, assuming ceteris paribus, the warrior would be doing about ~16.5% more damage over the course of its lifetime due to the increased armor lengthening his lifespan. A lot of top builds, in comparison to one another, end up being somewhere around that distance from one another within classes. For example, when comparing my tank build versus Jumper’s DPS build, I do ~20% more damage over the course of my lifetime than he does. That doesn’t necessarily make my build superior, as there are a wide variety of strategies that opponents can take up that can do things like turn toughness (for example) into a lost opportunity cost. It also results in a sort of “trinity” of build superiority over other builds, ie Tank wins against DPS, Bunker Wins against Tank, DPS wins against Bunker. Of course, even that statement in and of itself is somewhat inaccurate, but it gives you a rough idea of the scheme of things.
Also, @Ashanor: I wouldn’t be so sure that vitality is “the least desirable stat in HotM”, or that, if it is, it’s only due to pathetic biases on the behalf of sPvP players. At base, for a Medium armor class, Vitality increases real health for about twice of how much toughness increases real health. It takes about 900 vitality for an individual point of toughness to be able to amplify real health by the same amount that an individual point of vitality does.
Total Armor: Light=920 Medium=1064 Heavy=1211
The difference between Light/Medium/Heavy Armor is about 150 Toughness per tier, less then you get with a Signet buff.
Please don’t type on these forums unless you know what your talking about, thank you
150 toughness is not even 5% damage reduction, 300 won’t be 16%.
Toughness facts
Heavy armor classes get +36% armor by adding 798 toughness
Medium armor classes +39% armor by adding 798 toughness
Cloth classes +42% armor by adding 798 toughness
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Total Armor: Light=920 Medium=1064 Heavy=1211
The difference between Light/Medium/Heavy Armor is about 150 Toughness per tier, less then you get with a Signet buff.Please don’t type on these forums unless you know what your talking about, thank you
150 toughness is not even 5% damage reduction, 300 won’t be 16%.
Toughness facts
Heavy armor classes get +36% armor by adding 798 toughness
Medium armor classes +39% armor by adding 798 toughness
Cloth classes +42% armor by adding 798 toughness
Y’know, I’m okay with people being an kitten to me about subjective ideas, but when it comes to mathematics, you’re really screwing with the wrong guy here.
For a medium armor class, adding 150 toughness results in:
(1980)/(1980+150) = 1980/2130 = ~92.96% of the damage you would’ve taken originally, or about 7% damage reduction.
Also, I stated that 300 toughness from the base for a light-armored class is about 14% reduction in damage, not 16%, but nonetheless:
(1836)/(1836+300)= 1836/2136 = 85.96% damage from previously, or about 14.04% damage reduction from base (I said 14.2% originally because of a slight error in the amount of armor I thought that lightly armored classes have. Nonetheless, the difference is only extremely small, about .16%).
Of course, you didn’t even factor in kittening base toughness into your numbers, which is hugely problematic. Grow the hell up.
Where the hell are your kitten equations? Don’t spit in the face of half a year of research into the game when your pebble-sized brain can’t even comprehend basic division.
Total Armor: Light=920 Medium=1064 Heavy=1211
The difference between Light/Medium/Heavy Armor is about 150 Toughness per tier, less then you get with a Signet buff.Please don’t type on these forums unless you know what your talking about, thank you
150 toughness is not even 5% damage reduction, 300 won’t be 16%.
Toughness facts
Heavy armor classes get +36% armor by adding 798 toughness
Medium armor classes +39% armor by adding 798 toughness
Cloth classes +42% armor by adding 798 toughnessY’know, I’m okay with people being an kitten to me about subjective ideas, but when it comes to mathematics, you’re really screwing with the wrong guy here.
For a medium armor class, adding 150 toughness results in:
(1980)/(1980+150) = 1980/2130 = ~92.96% of the damage you would’ve taken originally, or about 7% damage reduction.
Also, I stated that 300 toughness from the base for a light-armored class is about 14% reduction in damage, not 16%, but nonetheless:
(1836)/(1836+300)= 1836/2136 = 85.96% damage from previously, or about 14.04% damage reduction from base (I said 14.2% originally because of a slight error in the amount of armor I thought that lightly armored classes have. Nonetheless, the difference is only extremely small, about .16%).
Of course, you didn’t even factor in kittening base toughness into your numbers, which is hugely problematic. Grow the hell up.
Where the hell are your kitten equations? Don’t spit in the face of half a year of research into the game when your pebble-sized brain can’t even comprehend basic division.
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Total Armor: Light=920 Medium=1064 Heavy=1211
The difference between Light/Medium/Heavy Armor is about 150 Toughness per tier, less then you get with a Signet buff.Please don’t type on these forums unless you know what your talking about, thank you
150 toughness is not even 5% damage reduction, 300 won’t be 16%.
Toughness facts
Heavy armor classes get +36% armor by adding 798 toughness
Medium armor classes +39% armor by adding 798 toughness
Cloth classes +42% armor by adding 798 toughnessY’know, I’m okay with people being an kitten to me about subjective ideas, but when it comes to mathematics, you’re really screwing with the wrong guy here.
For a medium armor class, adding 150 toughness results in:
(1980)/(1980+150) = 1980/2130 = ~92.96% of the damage you would’ve taken originally, or about 7% damage reduction.
Also, I stated that 300 toughness from the base for a light-armored class is about 14% reduction in damage, not 16%, but nonetheless:
(1836)/(1836+300)= 1836/2136 = 85.96% damage from previously, or about 14.04% damage reduction from base (I said 14.2% originally because of a slight error in the amount of armor I thought that lightly armored classes have. Nonetheless, the difference is only extremely small, about .16%).
Of course, you didn’t even factor in kittening base toughness into your numbers, which is hugely problematic. Grow the hell up.
Where the hell are your kitten equations? Don’t spit in the face of half a year of research into the game when your pebble-sized brain can’t even comprehend basic division.
That only decreases your case, because your not adding toughness from gear you can get. That only makes the numbers between the armor EVEN WEAKER
In other games, mages usually have 1/4 the armor, when in this game its more like 9/10th.
Please just grow up, your proving a base amount and not what people realistically use, Provide the numbers after 2750 armor, because your obviously not taking in diminishing returns here.
At the very base of toughness: 6-9%
At the high end of toughness: 1-3%
Factor this in please, because toughness/armor gets worse and worse the more you get.
2750 Armor = 33% Damage Reduction.
Protection = 33% Damage Reduction.
Your class, the one you come in and complain about, has protection, so they take a lot less damage then warriors do, in fact warriors should get access to it.
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Total Armor: Light=920 Medium=1064 Heavy=1211
The difference between Light/Medium/Heavy Armor is about 150 Toughness per tier, less then you get with a Signet buff.Please don’t type on these forums unless you know what your talking about, thank you
150 toughness is not even 5% damage reduction, 300 won’t be 16%.
Toughness facts
Heavy armor classes get +36% armor by adding 798 toughness
Medium armor classes +39% armor by adding 798 toughness
Cloth classes +42% armor by adding 798 toughnessY’know, I’m okay with people being an kitten to me about subjective ideas, but when it comes to mathematics, you’re really screwing with the wrong guy here.
For a medium armor class, adding 150 toughness results in:
(1980)/(1980+150) = 1980/2130 = ~92.96% of the damage you would’ve taken originally, or about 7% damage reduction.
Also, I stated that 300 toughness from the base for a light-armored class is about 14% reduction in damage, not 16%, but nonetheless:
(1836)/(1836+300)= 1836/2136 = 85.96% damage from previously, or about 14.04% damage reduction from base (I said 14.2% originally because of a slight error in the amount of armor I thought that lightly armored classes have. Nonetheless, the difference is only extremely small, about .16%).
Of course, you didn’t even factor in kittening base toughness into your numbers, which is hugely problematic. Grow the hell up.
Where the hell are your kitten equations? Don’t spit in the face of half a year of research into the game when your pebble-sized brain can’t even comprehend basic division.
That only decreases your case, because your not adding toughness from gear you can get. That only makes the numbers between the armor EVEN WEAKER
In other games, mages usually have 1/4 the armor, when in this game its more like 9/10th.
Please just grow up, your proving a base amount and not what people realistically use, Provide the numbers after 2750 armor, because your obviously not taking in diminishing returns here.
At the very base of toughness: 6-9%
At the high end of toughness: 1-3%Factor this in please, because toughness/armor gets worse and worse the more you get.
Of course, but you’re missing out two bolded words you put into this thread earlier: Opportunity Cost.
Do you know why D/X thieves always die so easily? It’s because, in the current meta, they’re given virtually 0 additional toughness to what they have, even though they could easily survive much longer. But didn’t you just say that, realistically speaking, people have over 2750 armor? Well that’s obviously not true, because if you take that much toughness, you have to sacrifice other stats like power and precision. You can’t wear full Soldier’s gear while also wearing full Zerker gear.
That’s why it’s far more appropriate to compare armor when additional toughness is 0. It’s because, when additional toughness is 0, you haven’t inflicted any opportunity costs upon yourself yet. That’s when build formulation comes in, and that’s entirely variable across everybody.
You want to act like everybody’s running around with +2750 armor? Fine, but you’d better provide the evidence for it, or shut the hell up.
Total Armor: Light=920 Medium=1064 Heavy=1211
The difference between Light/Medium/Heavy Armor is about 150 Toughness per tier, less then you get with a Signet buff.Please don’t type on these forums unless you know what your talking about, thank you
150 toughness is not even 5% damage reduction, 300 won’t be 16%.
Toughness facts
Heavy armor classes get +36% armor by adding 798 toughness
Medium armor classes +39% armor by adding 798 toughness
Cloth classes +42% armor by adding 798 toughnessY’know, I’m okay with people being an kitten to me about subjective ideas, but when it comes to mathematics, you’re really screwing with the wrong guy here.
For a medium armor class, adding 150 toughness results in:
(1980)/(1980+150) = 1980/2130 = ~92.96% of the damage you would’ve taken originally, or about 7% damage reduction.
Also, I stated that 300 toughness from the base for a light-armored class is about 14% reduction in damage, not 16%, but nonetheless:
(1836)/(1836+300)= 1836/2136 = 85.96% damage from previously, or about 14.04% damage reduction from base (I said 14.2% originally because of a slight error in the amount of armor I thought that lightly armored classes have. Nonetheless, the difference is only extremely small, about .16%).
Of course, you didn’t even factor in kittening base toughness into your numbers, which is hugely problematic. Grow the hell up.
Where the hell are your kitten equations? Don’t spit in the face of half a year of research into the game when your pebble-sized brain can’t even comprehend basic division.
That only decreases your case, because your not adding toughness from gear you can get. That only makes the numbers between the armor EVEN WEAKER
In other games, mages usually have 1/4 the armor, when in this game its more like 9/10th.
Please just grow up, your proving a base amount and not what people realistically use, Provide the numbers after 2750 armor, because your obviously not taking in diminishing returns here.
At the very base of toughness: 6-9%
At the high end of toughness: 1-3%Factor this in please, because toughness/armor gets worse and worse the more you get.
Of course, but you’re missing out two bolded words you put into this thread earlier: Opportunity Cost.
Do you know why D/X thieves always die so easily? It’s because, in the current meta, they’re given virtually 0 additional toughness to what they have, even though they could easily survive much longer. But didn’t you just say that, realistically speaking, people have over 2750 armor? Well that’s obviously not true, because if you take that much toughness, you have to sacrifice other stats like power and precision. You can’t wear full Soldier’s gear while also wearing full Zerker gear.
That’s why it’s far more appropriate to compare armor when additional toughness is 0. It’s because, when additional toughness is 0, you haven’t inflicted any opportunity costs upon yourself yet. That’s when build formulation comes in, and that’s entirely variable across everybody.
You want to act like everybody’s running around with +2750 armor? Fine, but you’d better provide the evidence for it, or shut the hell up.
D/P Thieves die easy? …
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Nerf-Black-Powder-Heartseeker/page/5#post2521117
Are we playing the same game?
Calm down kid, no need to cuss.
Also, yes I can. I just did. Its always better to compare to what the most they can get and not the least.
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