Guild Wars 2

jportell.2197:

Choops.3710:

jportell.2197:

Choops.3710:

jportell.2197:

urinfamousr.7631:

jportell.2197:

Razor.6392:

jportell.2197:

As soon as bunker ele’s get their nerf bunker mesmers will take over! Full uptime on retaliation/regen/ 1/2 uptime protection and a personal tank! Then people will stop crying about shatter mesmers and start crying about bunker mesmers! HA. As if that will actually happen I can tell you right now that there are builds in other classes that may not out bunker an ele but the can certainly match it easily and not just my class (mesmers) but rangers and engis too people just haven’t tried to find them!

You have admitted that you don’t even play spvp, why are you here spreading your wisdom?

Actually sir I do. Just not as much as you HARDCORE elitist R45+ people. But I do it enough to know that A) A bunker Mesmer can easily push a bunker ele off a node. It can take a 100B warrior and a guardian and a thief to recap the node and more if I have the chance to get my ranger teammate to help me out from high ground. So yes I am saying there are viable builds that can push ele’s and it all comes down to who bunkers better. In a duel a bunker Mesmer and a bunker ele will literally fight forever (I’ve done it, we had to call the fight at a draw.)

Edit: This experience is from Tournies not hotjoins just in case you wanted to try and pull that card.

so ur basically saying if u had a 3v3 at a node u could hold it with 1 person being able to freely do dmg from on high? wow who would have thought that!! >.>

Actually it was a 1v3. And I did not say win I said that’s what it would take to push me back off the node. Please comprehend what I say and don’t make assumptions k thanks!

jportell.2197
Don’t some points count for more? Like the mid point. (Clocktower, Keep, Temple etc etc
3 days ago

I think we’re all good on PvP advice from you.

Oh hey its the OP 100nades engi! Yah I learned from more matches that they are all the same but that is in maps only. BTW I outbunkered your guardian and got my revenge on you toward the end of the match you guys wiped the floor with us points wise but knowing that I was playing against you made it slightly more personal and I don’t spend all my time in GW2 hovering on one map trying to get QP I actually like WvW best but do PvP when my guild asks me for fun not for status. But it was fun playing against you guys.

A mesmer calling an engi OP? You sure know how to make a guy blush

Hey that 100nades is no joke! And honestly engi’s should be able to walk all over mesmers CONDITIONS CONDITIONS CONDITIONS. Not only that but reliable AOE conditions that put the necro to shame.

Not every engi plays conditions

Bunker eles are atm absolutely insane and are more or less impossible to counter.

What do I mean with impossible to counter you might ask while raising the point that some ranger builds, a phantasmal build and one engi build could actually beat the bunker ele in 90 seconds

here is the deal: if a bunkerele pushes farpoint atm there is not a single viable counter to it once he gets the decap (and he will get a decap at some point in the game)
you can chase him off, sure, a mesmer and thief will easily force him to back off, double pistol engi can force him to leave after a while etc but here is the problem:

That ele never dies if he is half decent.

He’ll just escape away and either stand in the nearby vicinity of the point where nobody can catch and kill him or rotate back to mid and push far a the next given oppertunity, which is easy as hell considering rtl+blink.

Ele far gives an EXTREME amount of pressure, has absolutely NO form of punishment (as opposed to a dd damage ele, they DIE for the tradeoff of forcing two dpsers from mid to close+decap, the same applies to just about any class. This tankele is the only class that has almost no chance of dying) and is insanely easy to play. If the ele has the 50% hp armor of earth trait up there really is no effective way to spike him down (which would be the only way to kill him) because he’ll get protection that’ll block part of the thief burst, making the burst extremely easy to mist.

Bunker ele is absolutely kitten atm and dominates this meta to a disgusting degree. Anyone who disagrees has simply not played pvp at a decent level to discover this.

L2Necro

/15char

Oni.5429:

Bunker eles are atm absolutely insane and are more or less impossible to counter.

What do I mean with impossible to counter you might ask while raising the point that some ranger builds, a phantasmal build and one engi build could actually beat the bunker ele in 90 seconds

here is the deal: if a bunkerele pushes farpoint atm there is not a single viable counter to it once he gets the decap (and he will get a decap at some point in the game)
you can chase him off, sure, a mesmer and thief will easily force him to back off, double pistol engi can force him to leave after a while etc but here is the problem:

That ele never dies if he is half decent.

He’ll just escape away and either stand in the nearby vicinity of the point where nobody can catch and kill him or rotate back to mid and push far a the next given oppertunity, which is easy as hell considering rtl+blink.

Ele far gives an EXTREME amount of pressure, has absolutely NO form of punishment (as opposed to a dd damage ele, they DIE for the tradeoff of forcing two dpsers from mid to close+decap, the same applies to just about any class. This tankele is the only class that has almost no chance of dying) and is insanely easy to play. If the ele has the 50% hp armor of earth trait up there really is no effective way to spike him down (which would be the only way to kill him) because he’ll get protection that’ll block part of the thief burst, making the burst extremely easy to mist.

Bunker ele is absolutely kitten atm and dominates this meta to a disgusting degree. Anyone who disagrees has simply not played pvp at a decent level to discover this.

And anyone that complains about the ele has flat out never played one.

Ele is the only char i have to 80, and has got to be the least fun class to play in spvp.
You are pigeon holed into playing 30 water, and atleast 20 Arcane.
You are only going to beat bad players or glass cannons, everything else you will
run away from.

If you want to kitten about something, then kitten about ANET not giving options.

First..I dunno to what you refer when you talk about “decent levels” of PvP..whoever think to be a “pro” player has never really played a PvP game.
GW2 it’s an extreme dumbed down version of GW1, aka it was made to accomodate low skill level casual players compared to GW1, many of these casual players have grouped together farming QP for months..and now believe to be some kind of pro player…

Where I come from at high level of competition, the top players used to get paid $3000 for a single match, we’re talking about people with an unrealistic reaction time, in a game where you don’t find bullkitten like Heart seeker, 100b and clone spamm on dodge.

To make a comparison, a GW2 “Top” player got the same skill level of a r5 hero from GW1 more or less, up to this very moment I haven’t met yet a single bunker ele able to survive more than one opponent where I was involved, maybe the words “decent player” shouldn’t be used so lightly and maybe people can’t leave the comfort zone of their wambo zambo leet combo and actually play the profession….that must be the reason the ele is the easiest enemy to counter for me…no clones…no stealth..no wambo zambo combo that one shot you in 1s…I simply need to read their movements and predict their next move..aka finally being able to play a real version of PvP game..no the hide and seek bullkitten that Anet has created to satisfy all the ninja wannabe out there

P.S @Oni…psl take this tank ele and show me how you don’t die, I dare you!

Choops.3710:

NevirSayDie.6235:

Choops.3710:

A mesmer calling an engi OP? You sure know how to make a guy blush

I did a couple paids tonight with three engies, a necro, and a warrior. After we won a match one of them was calling us names in map chat for using “OP classes.” It was…humorous.

lol, I get that sometimes because of the 100 nades burst. I think the OP calling would drop a little if people knew how often things go wrong for that setup before you finally get 1 that lines up perfectly.

The best thing is, only one of us was even using grenades…

Here @Oni…you oh mighty top GW2 player..take example from this humble player who doesn’t bother to record 5vs5 matches without ELO rating and self proclaim himself to be a top player:

@Kailin
Lately I have been running boon stripping/converting on my necro and chewing up the currently viewed as OP eles, guardians, and sometimes mesmers. This really got me thinking about how much a build effects how I view other classes. Thieves were a pain till I went into aoe and fears to counter them too. But what if I was a power necro? All these things wouldn’t be in my build and those classes with there builds would feel really OP. Right now rangers are kicking my kitten and I hear a power burst build helps with that. The whole thing makes me wonder how much of the QQ is build related.Also how much of it would go away if classes had more viable builds.Right now even the most complete classes only have a couple viable builds and its just not enough.

Arheundel.6451:

Thedenofsin.7340:

Arheundel.6451:

@Thedenofsin.7340
I run a 20/20/0/0/30 shatter spam build using sword + focus

Another glass cannon mesmer whining that he can’t win against bunkers on his own?
Try to play something else other than glass cannon if you can’t play the build, yours is simply a l2p issue that you don’t want to address and rather prefer to come whining on the forums in the hope whatever you can’t beat..get nerfed, to a more manageable level for you current skills.

Mesmer using your build and beating the “invincible ele” with 80% HP ( TO NOTICE THE EXTREME LOW DMG DONE BY THE ELE AT 1.05 A 1.7k BURNING SPEED -15S CD, ONE OF THE BIG HIT SKILLS ON D/D)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjUtDw8e8kI

Another failed forum poster that knows less than he thinks. FYI I’ve been running a bunker mesmer build recently. I think you need to learn to play if you think bunker ele is fine atm. They have as much tankiness (if not more) as any other bunker, but have far greater damage output and far greater mobility.

So let me get this straight…where a glass cannon mesmer receive max 1.7k dmg from a bunker ele , you find a bunker mesmer complaining about dmg from a bunker ele?!
Do pls show us this amazing dmg you receive from these bunker eles and how it surpass the dmg from a bunker mes.

Of course you’ve got no screenshot or video as proof of your words therefore for the moment you win the following prizes:

For the level of intelligence displayed in this thread:
http://i.imgur.com/t9nxsbS.jpg

And for the failed troll attempt with the same thread
http://i.imgur.com/Nye3tuZ.jpg

Congratulations I only give these prizes to the most hardcore elites on this forum

Wow, I’m honored. Those must be prizes from your personal collection. I think it’s best you keep them. It’s clear that you’ve earned them and I wouldn’t want to take the only prizes you’ve ever won.

Back on topic, ignoring the above troll.

No other tank spec has so much mobility + damage output. That’s the fundamental problem, and it completely imbalances the gameplay.

Thedenofsin.7340:

Arheundel.6451:

Thedenofsin.7340:

Arheundel.6451:

@Thedenofsin.7340
I run a 20/20/0/0/30 shatter spam build using sword + focus

Another glass cannon mesmer whining that he can’t win against bunkers on his own?
Try to play something else other than glass cannon if you can’t play the build, yours is simply a l2p issue that you don’t want to address and rather prefer to come whining on the forums in the hope whatever you can’t beat..get nerfed, to a more manageable level for you current skills.

Mesmer using your build and beating the “invincible ele” with 80% HP ( TO NOTICE THE EXTREME LOW DMG DONE BY THE ELE AT 1.05 A 1.7k BURNING SPEED -15S CD, ONE OF THE BIG HIT SKILLS ON D/D)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjUtDw8e8kI

Another failed forum poster that knows less than he thinks. FYI I’ve been running a bunker mesmer build recently. I think you need to learn to play if you think bunker ele is fine atm. They have as much tankiness (if not more) as any other bunker, but have far greater damage output and far greater mobility.

So let me get this straight…where a glass cannon mesmer receive max 1.7k dmg from a bunker ele , you find a bunker mesmer complaining about dmg from a bunker ele?!
Do pls show us this amazing dmg you receive from these bunker eles and how it surpass the dmg from a bunker mes.

Of course you’ve got no screenshot or video as proof of your words therefore for the moment you win the following prizes:

For the level of intelligence displayed in this thread:
http://i.imgur.com/t9nxsbS.jpg

And for the failed troll attempt with the same thread
http://i.imgur.com/Nye3tuZ.jpg

Congratulations I only give these prizes to the most hardcore elites on this forum

Wow, I’m honored. Those must be prizes from your personal collection. I think it’s best you keep them. It’s clear that you’ve earned them and I wouldn’t want to take the only prizes you’ve ever won.

Back on topic, ignoring the above troll.

No other tank spec has so much mobility + damage output. That’s the fundamental problem, and it completely imbalances the gameplay.

READ AND LEARN!

@Kailin
Lately I have been running boon stripping/converting on my necro and chewing up the currently viewed as OP eles, guardians, and sometimes mesmers. This really got me thinking about how much a build effects how I view other classes. Thieves were a pain till I went into aoe and fears to counter them too. But what if I was a power necro? All these things wouldn’t be in my build and those classes with there builds would feel really OP. Right now rangers are kicking my kitten and I hear a power burst build helps with that. The whole thing makes me wonder how much of the QQ is build related.Also how much of it would go away if classes had more viable builds.Right now even the most complete classes only have a couple viable builds and its just not enough.

Learn to adapt rather than crying everytime you kiss the floor, so far I haven’t faced a single “unkillable” bunker ele, because not only I know the profession but I can apply viable strategies accordingly to which profession I’m playing with…stop crying and start playing..like this dude did

Just remove the obscene buff stacking (namely the protection and 2 types of stacking regen) and everything would be hunky dory.
Then atleast they could run,but not tank.

Its interesting to mention that what Helseth(oni) talks about is the clerics s/d bunker and is completely different from the d/d you see (mostly the na folks)..
He also probably wanted to say “my current teams comp has no counters” instead of there are no counters.. :P
The thing is that ele can only be viable as a defencive ,fast roaming tank or defencive,roaming dps right now ..and apparently people think thats too good for the game.You cant make an effective ele that is not along those lines since cond eles,burst eles,glass canon eles plain suck while tank eles with no mobility are overshadowed by the guardian..
So if your problem is with the whole concept of a fast roaming tank and not JUST the effectiveness of it then we might as well delete the class and get over with it.Does anyone disagree?Is there something im missing ?

Then go ahead and give the counter, kost. My team is completely capable of multiclassing, do you really think we havent tried other things t odeal with this nonsense?

No matter how we attempt to counter it it always ends up as a concession on our part somehow (example; I go phantasmal with glamour recharge, my point is safe but our teamfighting will be much worse)

As I have suggested already..to proclame yourself as a pro player doesn’t automatically makes you one, to say :" I can multiclass" means that you can’t play well any of those classes…

There’s a counter to ele contest, but only one viable. And that’s … ele cantrips ! fight the evil with the same evil !
Or mesmer and thief.

More seriously, it’s stupid when you don’t have choice. It’s like when bug svanir and bug block was there, you don’t have any possibility, you HAVE to do the same or you’ll get countered.

Oni.5429:

Then go ahead and give the counter, kost. My team is completely capable of multiclassing, do you really think we havent tried other things t odeal with this nonsense?

No matter how we attempt to counter it it always ends up as a concession on our part somehow (example; I go phantasmal with glamour recharge, my point is safe but our teamfighting will be much worse)

But if you already are aware that specific classes can wear him down and force him to leave the point even solo then the problem must be the fact that he can use the mobility to decap and force a guy of yours to constantly stay near home point,right?
The thing is that, will that change after the nerfs?S/d bunker will still be abunker and the mobility of dagger oh will still be there.You still wont be able to take him down fast solo and he ll still force 2 people to far point.That was my point.
Im not at your level obviously but thats what i would do..

Apart from the obvious strat of having your own ele do the same thing :P
you could have another mobile class track the ele down which would mean -1 player off the team fights for you and the enemy team.If he decides to reinforce a fight somewhere so does your guy etc.So basically complete position awaraness would completely prevent the decap ..but at this point when im thinking of a guy training the bunker ele d/d cantrip ele comes to mind :P
and you have to face tornados and crap which are used in eu:P

So now that i failed being specific ( i admit it) tell me what you would change to ele bunker that would prevent the massive far point pressure he can apply?

Arheundel.6451:

As I have suggested already..to proclame yourself as a pro player doesn’t automatically makes you one, to say :" I can multiclass" means that you can’t play well any of those classes…

The problem is no one takes you seriously because you troll any thread that suggests that eles shouldn’t stay exactly how they are. Maybe less personal attacks, more hard facts. Just my 2 cents.

@kost

I’m fine with the idea of ele forcing a 2v1 on our close, that’s the way the game has been for a long time and ele isnt the only class that can force it (ranger is another example)

The problem is that the eles don’t even die 2v1. They get auto armor of earth (giving them about a second to react to our burst which is easy to do if they expect it, and considering that it’s the only counter in the standard setup they DO expect it if they’re decent) mist+rtl away and instantly going full hp, making us accept a concession (2v1ing our close, possibly blowing portal) in exchange for absolutely no return. If a dd valk ele comes we can actually sync a burst using diversion for 25 vunerablity stacks, thief burst and mindwrack in a coordinated 321spike to instantly kill him without him being able to react in time (or at the very least, making it extremely difficult for him to!)

What would I mainly want to hit? There are some minor things but specificly both rtl cd and pushing up the armor of earth at 50% trait to require more points than the silly 10 point amount.

Choops.3710:

Arheundel.6451:

As I have suggested already..to proclame yourself as a pro player doesn’t automatically makes you one, to say :" I can multiclass" means that you can’t play well any of those classes…

The problem is no one takes you seriously because you troll any thread that suggests that eles shouldn’t stay exactly how they are. Maybe less personal attacks, more hard facts. Just my 2 cents.

I believe you still don’t get it…

This is a PvP player:

@Kailin
Lately I have been running boon stripping/converting on my necro and chewing up the currently viewed as OP eles, guardians, and sometimes mesmers. This really got me thinking about how much a build effects how I view other classes. Thieves were a pain till I went into aoe and fears to counter them too. But what if I was a power necro? All these things wouldn’t be in my build and those classes with there builds would feel really OP. Right now rangers are kicking my kitten and I hear a power burst build helps with that. The whole thing makes me wonder how much of the QQ is build related.Also how much of it would go away if classes had more viable builds.Right now even the most complete classes only have a couple viable builds and its just not enough.

You and people like you can only complain….talking to you it’s like talking to a wall, blinded by their own arrogance and vision of grandeur :" QQ I farmed 100 QP , I’m pro and know what I’m talking about"

No…you are neither a Pro player and neither you know what you’re talking about, the guy quoted above was the norm in GW1, people like you are the norm in GW2, therefore without any doubts I can say that the PvP level in GW2 is galaxies away from GW1, to talk about balance with any “top player” in GW2 it’s like talking about balance with a r2 gladiator from GW1
This is a result of Anet attempt to make PvP more accessible compared to GW1…an official forum plagued by whine threads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJJVutOIQs
Well done Anet! You were successful in making this game more PvP accessible for the masses(lol even a 10 years old can play a thief, the same profession that “top” players consider hard to use)..but pls forget about e-sport with such community..

They just gata lower their ability to remove cond and burst heal with friggen 2 perma regenerations. Atleast let them be killable, then I doubt ppl will mind their insane burst/mobility/cc etc..

Arheundel.6451:

Choops.3710:

Arheundel.6451:

As I have suggested already..to proclame yourself as a pro player doesn’t automatically makes you one, to say :" I can multiclass" means that you can’t play well any of those classes…

The problem is no one takes you seriously because you troll any thread that suggests that eles shouldn’t stay exactly how they are. Maybe less personal attacks, more hard facts. Just my 2 cents.

I believe you still don’t get it…

This is a PvP player:

@Kailin
Lately I have been running boon stripping/converting on my necro and chewing up the currently viewed as OP eles, guardians, and sometimes mesmers. This really got me thinking about how much a build effects how I view other classes. Thieves were a pain till I went into aoe and fears to counter them too. But what if I was a power necro? All these things wouldn’t be in my build and those classes with there builds would feel really OP. Right now rangers are kicking my kitten and I hear a power burst build helps with that. The whole thing makes me wonder how much of the QQ is build related.Also how much of it would go away if classes had more viable builds.Right now even the most complete classes only have a couple viable builds and its just not enough.

You and people like you can only complain….talking to you it’s like talking to a wall, blinded by their own arrogance and vision of grandeur :" QQ I farmed 100 QP , I’m pro and know what I’m talking about"

No…you are neither a Pro player and neither you know what you’re talking about, the guy quoted above was the norm in GW1, people like you are the norm in GW2, therefore without any doubts I can say that the PvP level in GW2 is galaxies away from GW1, to talk about balance with any “top player” in GW2 it’s like talking about balance with a r2 gladiator from GW1
This is a result of Anet attempt to make PvP more accessible compared to GW1…an official forum plagued by whine threads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJJVutOIQs
Well done Anet! You were successful in making this game more PvP accessible for the masses(lol even a 10 years old can play a thief, the same profession that “top” players consider hard to use)..but pls forget about e-sport with such community..

So your response to me stating you should use facts and stop personally attacking people was to call me and people like me (whatever that means) arrogant. Brilliant.

Choops.3710:

Arheundel.6451:

Choops.3710:

Arheundel.6451:

As I have suggested already..to proclame yourself as a pro player doesn’t automatically makes you one, to say :" I can multiclass" means that you can’t play well any of those classes…

The problem is no one takes you seriously because you troll any thread that suggests that eles shouldn’t stay exactly how they are. Maybe less personal attacks, more hard facts. Just my 2 cents.

I believe you still don’t get it…

This is a PvP player:

@Kailin
Lately I have been running boon stripping/converting on my necro and chewing up the currently viewed as OP eles, guardians, and sometimes mesmers. This really got me thinking about how much a build effects how I view other classes. Thieves were a pain till I went into aoe and fears to counter them too. But what if I was a power necro? All these things wouldn’t be in my build and those classes with there builds would feel really OP. Right now rangers are kicking my kitten and I hear a power burst build helps with that. The whole thing makes me wonder how much of the QQ is build related.Also how much of it would go away if classes had more viable builds.Right now even the most complete classes only have a couple viable builds and its just not enough.

You and people like you can only complain….talking to you it’s like talking to a wall, blinded by their own arrogance and vision of grandeur :" QQ I farmed 100 QP , I’m pro and know what I’m talking about"

No…you are neither a Pro player and neither you know what you’re talking about, the guy quoted above was the norm in GW1, people like you are the norm in GW2, therefore without any doubts I can say that the PvP level in GW2 is galaxies away from GW1, to talk about balance with any “top player” in GW2 it’s like talking about balance with a r2 gladiator from GW1
This is a result of Anet attempt to make PvP more accessible compared to GW1…an official forum plagued by whine threads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJJVutOIQs
Well done Anet! You were successful in making this game more PvP accessible for the masses(lol even a 10 years old can play a thief, the same profession that “top” players consider hard to use)..but pls forget about e-sport with such community..

So your response to me stating you should use facts and stop personally attacking people was to call me and people like me (whatever that means) arrogant. Brilliant.

More facts that the ones posted by dozen of people for the last couple of months?…right, it’d be easier to admit that you’ll keep complaining regardless of any fact because your truth…it’s the only truth

Arheundel.6451:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJJVutOIQs
Well done Anet! You were successful in making this game more PvP accessible for the masses(lol even a 10 years old can play a thief, the same profession that “top” players consider hard to use)..but pls forget about e-sport with such community..

I was expecting a video of a thief doing a backstab burst in 2v1’s. Instead I saw a thief dying and doing pretty much nothing the entire game except breaking his stealth in downstate and getting stomped. That skill cap!

Edit: The kid’s 10, not being hard on him, just the idea that this is “playing a thief”

Nikkle.4013:

Arheundel.6451:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJJVutOIQs
Well done Anet! You were successful in making this game more PvP accessible for the masses(lol even a 10 years old can play a thief, the same profession that “top” players consider hard to use)..but pls forget about e-sport with such community..

I was expecting a video of a thief doing a backstab burst in 2v1’s. Instead I saw a thief dying and doing pretty much nothing the entire game except breaking his stealth in downstate and getting stomped. That skill cap!

Edit: The kid’s 10, not being hard on him, just the idea that this is “playing a thief”

Ohhh…..so there is skill cap for thieves…but no for eles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ&list=PLBF2912D72F052EC7&index=12
Still from these threads all you can get is that you make an ele, go in and dominate people with whichever trait or utility.
And pls all I can see is :" Ele is OP", so make an ele, pick traits randomly like the thief does in the video, go in and dominate others…

Arheundel.6451:

Nikkle.4013:

Arheundel.6451:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJJVutOIQs
Well done Anet! You were successful in making this game more PvP accessible for the masses(lol even a 10 years old can play a thief, the same profession that “top” players consider hard to use)..but pls forget about e-sport with such community..

I was expecting a video of a thief doing a backstab burst in 2v1’s. Instead I saw a thief dying and doing pretty much nothing the entire game except breaking his stealth in downstate and getting stomped. That skill cap!

Edit: The kid’s 10, not being hard on him, just the idea that this is “playing a thief”

Ohhh…..so there is skill cap for thieves…but no for eles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ&list=PLBF2912D72F052EC7&index=12
Still from these threads all you can get is that you make an ele, go in and dominate people with whichever trait or utility.
And pls all I can see is :" Ele is OP", so make an ele, pick traits randomly like the thief does in the video, go in and dominate others…

Classic straw man while posting a 6 month old video before RTL was fixed and eles didn’t have vapor form on 2, featuring an ele with 4 signets.

LOL

Thieves are good at low levels of play.
Big deal ? :/

He probably built a thief and didn’t actually use his kitten build he showed…
You really think some one would do that? Just go on the Internet and tell lies?

Arehundel your anecdotal outdated videos from eons ago really say a lot about how strong your argument really is.

@Choops.
Arh is a classic ‘l2p’ poster.

He logs into the forum, spams l2p posts in all the threads about balance.

Then walks away thinking ‘wow, i must be the bestest’.

Arheundel.6451:

And pls all I can see is :" Ele is OP", so make an ele, pick traits randomly like the thief does in the video, go in and dominate others…

Well you could ignore the op and other’s in this thread who make the ridiculous suggestions and comment on helseth’s posts.

@Helseth
Well, I only do Free’s and am on NA. So what you see is quite a bit different from what I see. I have ran the valk and cleric’s builds but I currently do not because I don’t enjoy that kind of play. I don’t find rtl cd to be op. Any nerfs to that will severely hurt the ele specs that no one really qq’s about. I find the problem is in the burst healing, especially when there is two ele’s on point. There burst healing is aoe so two ele’s work really well together. Soothing mists and regen are unique so only one effect is present, although it will be applied more often. I think the thing to target is the healing coefficients on cleansing wave (EA dodge -water) and water trident with a little boost to the base to compensate ele’s that run only a little +healing.

I’m interested to know why you think earth’s embrace is op. It has a 90s cd. It might be from your perspective as a mesmer where your shatters are several attacks meaning it will be proced very close to 50%. From a thief’s perspective I assume it’s not the issue as they usually spike with a backstab way past 50% so the protection is up when they are closer to 30% then 50%.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Arheundel.6451:

Nikkle.4013:

Arheundel.6451:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJJVutOIQs
Well done Anet! You were successful in making this game more PvP accessible for the masses(lol even a 10 years old can play a thief, the same profession that “top” players consider hard to use)..but pls forget about e-sport with such community..

I was expecting a video of a thief doing a backstab burst in 2v1’s. Instead I saw a thief dying and doing pretty much nothing the entire game except breaking his stealth in downstate and getting stomped. That skill cap!

Edit: The kid’s 10, not being hard on him, just the idea that this is “playing a thief”

Ohhh…..so there is skill cap for thieves…but no for eles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ&list=PLBF2912D72F052EC7&index=12
Still from these threads all you can get is that you make an ele, go in and dominate people with whichever trait or utility.
And pls all I can see is :" Ele is OP", so make an ele, pick traits randomly like the thief does in the video, go in and dominate others…

Classic straw man while posting a 6 month old video before RTL was fixed and eles didn’t have vapor form on 2, featuring an ele with 4 signets.

LOL

RTL bug used to happen there and there when targeting an enemy, only that and the buff to downstate got zero importance in the discussion.

Your point is that from Ele being an OP profession we have reached a point where an Ele is an OP profession as long as he doesn’t use signets, so an ele use the cantrips/water heals to be a strong roamer…if not pls tell me an alternative without using cantrips, what an ele should be then in that case?

Visionary.5681:

@Choops.
Arh is a classic ‘l2p’ poster.

He logs into the forum, spams l2p posts in all the threads about balance.

Then walks away thinking ‘wow, i must be the bestest’.

Ah, ok. Do you mind showing up at every thread I post in? Could save me a lot of time lol

well the worst case scenario..they nerf heals in addition to mobility.Eles get benched on the side for a month or 2 and then anets nerfs everything else or buffs eles.Theres also the chance people make focus and staff work again.
But in any case id love to see anet promote counters in other classes like heavy boonstriping/control or more mobility instead of this kitten circle that just degrades gameplay..
Yeah an rtl nerf like “omg i want 60 sec cd” or target only is a major playstyle nerf that kittens up other builds that nobody has problem with.
I guess thats life ..besides anet knows how to not kitten up a playstyle(like..spirit rangers :P)

I don’t think anyone can honestly argue Tankele isn’t too strong at the moment. The devs talk about the “high skill cap” of the class, but running multiple cantrips for utilities makes the class dangerously easy to play for the amount of impact you can bring to the game. I ran auramancer D/D ele back in September and people would always remark how hard I was too kill. It wasn’t that hard to play because of how many stun breaks I had, and I simply regained so much health by going through my rotations.

Tankele has insane boon uptime, damage mitigation, and importantly mobility. Its too easy to put pressure all across the map for point neutralizes and teams have to invest multiple players for extended periods to take them down given how gank resistant the class is.

I think DPS S/D, and D/D ele aren’t as strong at the moment. They either have to choose between running cantrips for extra-survivability for much less damage, or arcane for more burst but less sustain.

Eles certainly need some slight tweaks to be brought down.

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jportell.2197:

Choops.3710:

jportell.2197:

Choops.3710:

jportell.2197:

urinfamousr.7631:

jportell.2197:

Razor.6392:

jportell.2197:

As soon as bunker ele’s get their nerf bunker mesmers will take over! Full uptime on retaliation/regen/ 1/2 uptime protection and a personal tank! Then people will stop crying about shatter mesmers and start crying about bunker mesmers! HA. As if that will actually happen I can tell you right now that there are builds in other classes that may not out bunker an ele but the can certainly match it easily and not just my class (mesmers) but rangers and engis too people just haven’t tried to find them!

You have admitted that you don’t even play spvp, why are you here spreading your wisdom?

Actually sir I do. Just not as much as you HARDCORE elitist R45+ people. But I do it enough to know that A) A bunker Mesmer can easily push a bunker ele off a node. It can take a 100B warrior and a guardian and a thief to recap the node and more if I have the chance to get my ranger teammate to help me out from high ground. So yes I am saying there are viable builds that can push ele’s and it all comes down to who bunkers better. In a duel a bunker Mesmer and a bunker ele will literally fight forever (I’ve done it, we had to call the fight at a draw.)

Edit: This experience is from Tournies not hotjoins just in case you wanted to try and pull that card.

so ur basically saying if u had a 3v3 at a node u could hold it with 1 person being able to freely do dmg from on high? wow who would have thought that!! >.>

Actually it was a 1v3. And I did not say win I said that’s what it would take to push me back off the node. Please comprehend what I say and don’t make assumptions k thanks!

jportell.2197
Don’t some points count for more? Like the mid point. (Clocktower, Keep, Temple etc etc
3 days ago

I think we’re all good on PvP advice from you.

Oh hey its the OP 100nades engi! Yah I learned from more matches that they are all the same but that is in maps only. BTW I outbunkered your guardian and got my revenge on you toward the end of the match you guys wiped the floor with us points wise but knowing that I was playing against you made it slightly more personal and I don’t spend all my time in GW2 hovering on one map trying to get QP I actually like WvW best but do PvP when my guild asks me for fun not for status. But it was fun playing against you guys.

A mesmer calling an engi OP? You sure know how to make a guy blush

Hey that 100nades is no joke! And honestly engi’s should be able to walk all over mesmers CONDITIONS CONDITIONS CONDITIONS. Not only that but reliable AOE conditions that put the necro to shame.

Not every engi plays conditions

Yah but the 100nades revolves around the grenade kit right? Every grenade has conditions except the number 1? Or does that have bleeds to it? I will never understand though how is it that they made it so the grenade can be thrown farther than the rifle can shoot.

jportell.2197:

Yah but the 100nades revolves around the grenade kit right? Every grenade has conditions except the number 1? Or does that have bleeds to it? I will never understand though how is it that they made it so the grenade can be thrown farther than the rifle can shoot.

I’ve found my forum calling! Some people talk about balance, meta, build variety…I just log on and explain to people what engineers do, now that people have actually encountered engies and are curious as to how they work

Grenade kit has a bleed grenade and a poison grenade, but the 1 skill is only direct damage. There is a trait that gives all explosions a 15% chance to cause bleeding, which translates to somewhere around a 38% chance to get at least one bleed on any perfect grenade hit (perfect hit = close range or target is hit while standing exactly in the middle of the circle, so all three nades hit). There’s also a bleed on crit trait and a burn on crit trait with an ICD. If the gods of RNG are favorable, and if you have good aim, you can stack damaging conditions quite well with grenades.

The 100nades build won’t really do any of that, though, since it’s all traits/gear.

NevirSayDie.6235:

jportell.2197:

Yah but the 100nades revolves around the grenade kit right? Every grenade has conditions except the number 1? Or does that have bleeds to it? I will never understand though how is it that they made it so the grenade can be thrown farther than the rifle can shoot.

I’ve found my forum calling! Some people talk about balance, meta, build variety…I just log on and explain to people what engineers do, now that people have actually encountered engies and are curious as to how they work

Grenade kit has a bleed grenade and a poison grenade, but the 1 skill is only direct damage. There is a trait that gives all explosions a 15% chance to cause bleeding, which translates to somewhere around a 38% chance to get at least one bleed on any perfect grenade hit (perfect hit = close range or target is hit while standing exactly in the middle of the circle, so all three nades hit). There’s also a bleed on crit trait and a burn on crit trait with an ICD. If the gods of RNG are favorable, and if you have good aim, you can stack damaging conditions quite well with grenades.

The 100nades build won’t really do any of that, though, since it’s all traits/gear.

Glad someone can do it! I have an engi but don’t have him leveled very high! Something I have found funny though. An engi can cause more confusion (longer lasting than) mesmer the only way I mesmer can make theirs last more than a few seconds is if they have a torch/scepter and they trait heavily for confusion! Preposterous I say! That’s our condition give it back! lol JK. But I remember a time when people (mesmers) kept saying that their damage depends on everything lining up right IE the person on the other keyboard has no clue what they are doing. But we gave up on that and are still gonna be called OP. Wait isn’t this about ele’s? Oh yah my bad! Nerf them into the ground cuz I can’t win against them! /sarcasm off.

jportell how come you always belittle everyone beside just stating “the facts” and walking away?

You know, not every post has to end with a dagger… jeez.

Blakey.5670:

jportell how come you always belittle everyone beside just stating “the facts” and walking away?

You know, not every post has to end with a dagger… jeez.

Making points and valid ones. And its true an engi can have a higher uptime on confusion with a pistol and a tool kit than your “OP” shatter mesmer. And about ele’s my honest opinion. If this is truly their only VIABLE build then don’t nerf it until they get some sort of buff in other areas. But then again the meta is evolving always. How many buffs did the ranger get before traps became viable? zero How many buffs did engi get before the 100nades took off zero. So the constant OP calling is just a little beyond ridiculous because we determine the counters to things not the devs and if D/D bunker ele’s have no counter then it needs handled BUT if they are there because they have no other real options then don’t nerf it until something else is made viable to them.

And also I was being sincere when I was thanking Never Say Die for his input on engi. I don’t play mine enough to fully know it so someone giving good advice or sharing knowledge about a class without being condescending is something I will welcome and not be facetious about. However I can be facetious with the best of em. :P

I switch to D/D when I get instagibbed by thieves when I use Staff in hotjoins. Only then do I feel like it’s an even fight.

jportell.2197:

Blakey.5670:

jportell how come you always belittle everyone beside just stating “the facts” and walking away?

You know, not every post has to end with a dagger… jeez.

Making points and valid ones. And its true an engi can have a higher uptime on confusion with a pistol and a tool kit than your “OP” shatter mesmer. And about ele’s my honest opinion. If this is truly their only VIABLE build then don’t nerf it until they get some sort of buff in other areas. But then again the meta is evolving always. How many buffs did the ranger get before traps became viable? zero How many buffs did engi get before the 100nades took off zero. So the constant OP calling is just a little beyond ridiculous because we determine the counters to things not the devs and if D/D bunker ele’s have no counter then it needs handled BUT if they are there because they have no other real options then don’t nerf it until something else is made viable to them.

And also I was being sincere when I was thanking Never Say Die for his input on engi. I don’t play mine enough to fully know it so someone giving good advice or sharing knowledge about a class without being condescending is something I will welcome and not be facetious about. However I can be facetious with the best of em. :P

Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions! Although if you feel you don’t know much about engineers, it may not be a good idea to use them as examples. For example, the two confusion skills you mention (pistol and prybar) do 2 stacks/3 seconds and 3 stacks/4 seconds, respectively, both on 15 second cooldowns. I don’t think we’ve stolen your profession’s condition Just doin’ my forum job!

(There is also a bomb that does confusion, but it is very difficult to get bombs, toolkit, and pistol all in the same build.)

Actually, engineers got sigils on kits (HUGE fix) after the grenade damage was nerfed, creating a slow trickle of players returning to their engineers. They also got a couple of mild straight-up buffs to toolkit, which is a key component in most 100nades builds. Trap rangers also got fixes to pet AI and a big fix to entangle before they started finding a place on so many tournament teams.

I do agree that it’s bad to nerf one build before the profession has any other serious contenders for a viable build. I also appreciate that Anet moves slowly when doing balance changes (I said somewhere before that if Anet gave buffs/nerfs quickly, we certainly would have seen several big ele buffs by now, since they were considered so weak at launch…and I think it’s good that didn’t happen).

tl;dr—play that glass cannon ranger or tanky rifle engi. They might get better after a while. Unless you like playing the current best spec, then just play that.