Guild Wars 2

By toning down haste and burst damage you make your game less Skill required :

You can call fast reaction time part of being skilled, and also having awareness of the Burst profession also part of being skilled.

By toning down burst damage you make it easier to survive, because you dont need to have that Fast reaction time neither the awareness to spot the Burst profession so you can avoid his stomp.

Now you make it easier for newbies to survive… this game has no future as e-sport.

If you keep toning down Burst damage you will get Boring and slower and slower fights ….

this is newbie friendly.

Counter strike is an e-sport, and it does not forgive if you make a mistake. Very fast gameplay and skill required.

in the meantime bunker eles laugh at thiefs and warriors. especially warriors.

I’m pretty sure both sides of the spectrum are going to get hit, it just happen to hit burst damage first. If bunkers had gotten hit first, it would have pushed away casuals even harder. I think it was the right call.

Burst classes in this game are too extreme. They were one (of the several) factors that were contributing for casuals to quit pvp. Bunker builds are also a problem, but at least they don’t pop out of nowhere and instant-kill new players who are still trying to understand the game.

Generally, players should still require fast reactions. 50% faster is still plenty. It’s just no longer exaggerated.

Battles that are decided in 2 or 3 seconds, in a game designed to be fun around using plenty of skills, weapon swapping, etc, was just not working.

Penguin.5197:

I’m pretty sure both sides of the spectrum are going to get hit, it just happen to hit burst damage first. If bunkers had gotten hit first, it would have pushed away casuals even harder. I think it was the right call.

you’d think that……but you’d be wrong.

DiogoSilva.7089:

Burst classes in this game are too extreme. They were one (of the several) factors that were contributing for casuals to quit pvp. Bunker builds are also a problem, but at least they don’t pop out of nowhere and instant-kill new players who are still trying to understand the game.

Generally, players should still require fast reactions. 50% faster is still plenty. It’s just no longer exaggerated.

Battles that are decided in 2 or 3 seconds, in a game designed to be fun around using plenty of skills, weapon swapping, etc, was just not working.

if you died in 2 or 3 seconds you are a newbie and its a learn 2 play issue

Lack of skill and game knowlodge. I dont see what is your argument. have you ever heard of stun breakers and dodge rolls?

In counter strike ( E-sport ) you can die in 0.2 seconds with a headshot, and that is not a reason for Valve to listen to newbies that want a nerf on the headshot cause they get killed in 0.2 sec.

The answer is L2P.

Quick reactions times and skill can be needed in a fight that does not last 2 seconds.

One hitting someone, pressing one button to take nearly all of their hp isn’t really on par with what I would consider skill.

R E F L H E X.8413:

Quick reactions times and skill can be needed in a fight that does not last 2 seconds.

One hitting someone, pressing one button to take nearly all of their hp isn’t really on par with what I would consider skill.

if you are dying in 2 seconds its a learn 2 play issue and your opinion is incredibly worthless balance wise.

if you are not competent at dodging a warrior burst or a thief burst then you have no clue how to play this game.

Masternewbz.4953:

R E F L H E X.8413:

Quick reactions times and skill can be needed in a fight that does not last 2 seconds.

One hitting someone, pressing one button to take nearly all of their hp isn’t really on par with what I would consider skill.

if you are dying in 2 seconds its a learn 2 play issue and your opinion is incredibly worthless.

There is so many things wrong with your statement I don’t even need to begin.

1.) long recharge defenses you will be running around completely defenseless at times.

2.) you are defending a one button win – which is the exact opposite of skill.

I mean sure it was skill when everyone is using a sniper rifle in halo and you are seeing who is faster at detecting and aiming to land that one shot, oh and dodging.

But this is not really that kind of game, or SHOULDN’T BE.

It’s more of a mindframe you are carrying around that is non-existant in the gw1 community.

If anything toning down burst will make this game more skill dependent. Burst still has a place, but it requires no thought or effort when you can frontload an entire health bar simply because your cooldowns are available. Having to actually bait out your opponents defenses, coordinate with another teammate, or whittle down your enemies health to a point where your burst can be used as a finisher takes a lot more skill then just insta-killing anyone who isn’t twitching their finger over a stun break constantly lest they die in less than a second.

Sorry, but the burden of skill should be on the burster as well as the burstee.

Masternewbz.4953:

DiogoSilva.7089:

Burst classes in this game are too extreme. They were one (of the several) factors that were contributing for casuals to quit pvp. Bunker builds are also a problem, but at least they don’t pop out of nowhere and instant-kill new players who are still trying to understand the game.

Generally, players should still require fast reactions. 50% faster is still plenty. It’s just no longer exaggerated.

Battles that are decided in 2 or 3 seconds, in a game designed to be fun around using plenty of skills, weapon swapping, etc, was just not working.

if you died in 2 or 3 seconds you are a newbie and its a learn 2 play issue

Lack of skill and game knowlodge. I dont see what is your argument. have you ever heard of stun breakers and dodge rolls?

In counter strike ( E-sport ) you can die in 0.2 seconds with a headshot, and that is not a reason for Valve to listen to newbies that want a nerf on the headshot cause they get killed in 0.2 sec.

The answer is L2P.

Do you realize you’re comparing an FPS with an MMO ?

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Masternewbz.4953:

R E F L H E X.8413:

Quick reactions times and skill can be needed in a fight that does not last 2 seconds.

One hitting someone, pressing one button to take nearly all of their hp isn’t really on par with what I would consider skill.

if you are dying in 2 seconds its a learn 2 play issue and your opinion is incredibly worthless.

There is so many things wrong with your statement I don’t even need to begin.

1.) long recharge defenses you will be running around completely defenseless at times.

2.) you are defending a one button win – which is the exact opposite of skill.

I mean sure it was skill when everyone is using a sniper rifle in halo and you are seeing who is faster at detecting and aiming to land that one shot, oh and dodging.

But this is not really that kind of game, or SHOULDN’T BE.

It’s more of a mindframe you are carrying around that is non-existant in the gw1 community.

1- If you are running on cooldowns then thats your own fault. if you waste them its your own fault. Or if you used it correctly then you should have a teamate CC for you and protect you

2- Im not defending a one button win ,its harder to land than to defend.

You probably never played high level Tpvp game. how much QP do you have?

Sweetbread.2679:

If anything toning down burst will make this game more skill dependent. Burst still has a place, but it requires no thought or effort when you can frontload an entire health bar simply because your cooldowns are available. Having to actually bait out your opponents defenses, coordinate with another teammate, or whittle down your enemies health to a point where your burst can be used as a finisher takes a lot more skill then just insta-killing anyone who isn’t twitching their finger over a stun break constantly lest they die in less than a second.

Sorry, but the burden of skill should be on the burster as well as the burstee.

Do you realize its alredy incredibly hard to land a burst on a competent player?

if you dont have a stun breaker ready you are a newbie.

if you never played high level Tpvp you are a newbie.

You are saying like its hard to dodge burst damage, but its harder to land.

If you are being killed by burst damage then I suggest you learn to play this game.

I about quit during beta.

This should be enough said.

I did however stick it through until I decided it wasn’t worth hanging around any longer because GvG was not getting implemented.

I was more of a wvw player because spvp and the whole foundation of this game isn’t really based on skill.

1.) If I have one skill that is defensive on my ele for example that is a damage ele (glass cannon pretty much) I use it for backstab, and then it goes on 60 second recharge, now for those 60 seconds, aside from dodges which will get used and be on recharge, I am going to be defenseless soon enough. AND THIS IS ONLY FROM DEFENDING MYSELF FROM A SINGLE CHARCTER.

2.) Yes you are.

3.) You do not have to play high level tpvp to know these things at all. Your allies won’t always be able to cc, you know you are relying on what ifs, I am relying on the cold hard facts.

obviously troll is obvious.

also.

if you use dodge, youre a noob
if you use defensive cooldowns, youre a noob
if you stunbreak youre a noob

those are all handicaps and if you use them youre 100% awful and should quit.

just like in counterstrike, if you use the scope on the AWP youre a noob. its a handicap.
no scope to the dome or gtfo

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I about quit during beta.

This should be enough said.

I did however stick it through until I decided it wasn’t worth hanging around any longer because GvG was not getting implemented.

I was more of a wvw player because spvp and the whole foundation of this game isn’t really based on skill.

1.) If I have one skill that is defensive on my ele for example that is a damage ele (glass cannon pretty much) I use it for backstab, and then it goes on 60 second recharge, now for those 60 seconds, aside from dodges which will get used and be on recharge, I am going to be defenseless soon enough.

2.) Yes you are.

3.) You do not have to play high level tpvp to know these things at all. Your allies won’t always be able to cc, you know you are relying on what ifs, I am relying on the cold hard facts.

rofl… A guy who played beta is giving his opinion.

beat my Ele 1v1 with a burst damage guy thief or warrior I will bet you a billion dollars you wont touch me.

holly christ really? Ele have 2 armors, + 2 hard CC . lol are you kidding me?

Dude eles are #1 1v1 and thiefs and warriors * burst damages * are nowhere near the best 1v1ers.

And the quickness nerf made warrior 100% useless.

Masternewbz.4953:

R E F L H E X.8413:

I about quit during beta.

This should be enough said.

I did however stick it through until I decided it wasn’t worth hanging around any longer because GvG was not getting implemented.

I was more of a wvw player because spvp and the whole foundation of this game isn’t really based on skill.

1.) If I have one skill that is defensive on my ele for example that is a damage ele (glass cannon pretty much) I use it for backstab, and then it goes on 60 second recharge, now for those 60 seconds, aside from dodges which will get used and be on recharge, I am going to be defenseless soon enough.

2.) Yes you are.

3.) You do not have to play high level tpvp to know these things at all. Your allies won’t always be able to cc, you know you are relying on what ifs, I am relying on the cold hard facts.

rofl… A guy who played beta is giving his opinion.

beat my Ele 1v1 with a burst damage guy thief or warrior I will bet you a billion dollars you wont touch me.

holly christ really? Ele have 2 armors, + 2 hard CC . lol are you kidding me?

Dude eles are #1 1v1 and thiefs and warriors * burst damages * are nowhere near the best 1v1ers.

And the quickness nerf made warrior 100% useless.

You are probably looking at this from a bunker ele point of view. Not the ele that is made to burst down people which his defense is blind and the arcane bubble, that is it.

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Masternewbz.4953:

R E F L H E X.8413:

I about quit during beta.

This should be enough said.

I did however stick it through until I decided it wasn’t worth hanging around any longer because GvG was not getting implemented.

I was more of a wvw player because spvp and the whole foundation of this game isn’t really based on skill.

1.) If I have one skill that is defensive on my ele for example that is a damage ele (glass cannon pretty much) I use it for backstab, and then it goes on 60 second recharge, now for those 60 seconds, aside from dodges which will get used and be on recharge, I am going to be defenseless soon enough.

2.) Yes you are.

3.) You do not have to play high level tpvp to know these things at all. Your allies won’t always be able to cc, you know you are relying on what ifs, I am relying on the cold hard facts.

rofl… A guy who played beta is giving his opinion.

beat my Ele 1v1 with a burst damage guy thief or warrior I will bet you a billion dollars you wont touch me.

holly christ really? Ele have 2 armors, + 2 hard CC . lol are you kidding me?

Dude eles are #1 1v1 and thiefs and warriors * burst damages * are nowhere near the best 1v1ers.

And the quickness nerf made warrior 100% useless.

You are probably looking at this from a bunker ele point of view. Not the ele that is made to burst down people which his defense is blind and the arcane bubble, that is it.

rofl….. I dont have the time or patience to teach newbies like you to play.

i will wear zerks and own your thief or warrior.

Now go and learn to play before posting.

You act like there cannot be a 5 minute fight between two players outsmarting eachother by using quick thinking and reflexes without the fight ending in one hit.

This is where your problem lies.

This is the ele I am talking about I quit 5 months ago
http://s7.postimg.org/w2s3qdhlm/gw231.jpg

It was nothing but ele complaints until I took that into tpvp and was rickrollin people with it. Then a day or two later I hear people talking about some evasive arcana build, this pretty much says I put it into meta.

forrae.6708:

obviously troll is obvious.

I suppose that’s what I get for responding to someone named Masternewbz. It must be nice to be a big enough simpleton to find trolling a fulfilling pasttime. EVERYTHING is entertaining when you’re not smart enough to realize how boring being a completely useless waste of space is.

R E F L H E X.8413:

You act like there cannot be a 5 minute fight between two players outsmarting eachother by using quick thinking and reflexes without the fight ending in one hit.

This is where your problem lies.

5 minute fight is a boring gameplay. Are you serious?

Good players dont make silly mistakes and you are looking for forgiveness on your mistakes.

Go play a non e-sport game.

E-sports needs to have a high skill cap.

1 mistake = loss.

Sweetbread.2679:

forrae.6708:

obviously troll is obvious.

I suppose that’s what I get for responding to someone named Masternewbz. It must be nice to be a big enough simpleton to find trolling a fulfilling pasttime. EVERYTHING is entertaining when you’re not smart enough to realize how boring being a completely useless waste of space is.

lol, dude, are you even on QP ladder? QP ladder doesnt even garantee you are good, but being outside of it garantees you are incredibly bad… you are on sPvp forums buddy, if you think Burst damage decreases skill cap in this game you are so wrong lol…

Landing burst is harder than defending.

If you think otherwise you are very very bad at this game.

Masternewbz.4953:

lol, dude, are you even on QP ladder?

lol dude, do you even lift?

Masternewbz.4953:

R E F L H E X.8413:

You act like there cannot be a 5 minute fight between two players outsmarting eachother by using quick thinking and reflexes without the fight ending in one hit.

This is where your problem lies.

5 minute fight is a boring gameplay. Are you serious?

Good players dont make silly mistakes and you are looking for forgiveness on your mistakes.

Go play a non e-sport game.

E-sports needs to have a high skill cap.

1 mistake = loss.

You are too angry about losing easymode to accept that one hit kills are not good for an mmo, period.

forrae.6708:

Masternewbz.4953:

lol, dude, are you even on QP ladder?

lol dude, do you even lift?

rofl , are you even serious?

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Masternewbz.4953:

R E F L H E X.8413:

You act like there cannot be a 5 minute fight between two players outsmarting eachother by using quick thinking and reflexes without the fight ending in one hit.

This is where your problem lies.

5 minute fight is a boring gameplay. Are you serious?

Good players dont make silly mistakes and you are looking for forgiveness on your mistakes.

Go play a non e-sport game.

E-sports needs to have a high skill cap.

1 mistake = loss.

You are too angry about losing easymode to accept that one hit kills are not good for an mmo, period.

Rofl? I dont even play warrior or thief…

I play all classes , I main ele and mesmer.

But yeah, you are bad . you are crying about warrior and thief. I used to cry about thief and warrior when i was rank 5 then i learned how to stun break and dodge roll.

forrae.6708:

obviously troll is obvious.

He’s not trolling. He’s a highly skilled player. Having said that, I play a thief and I run a bursty build with high regen, condition clear stealth. I don’t use quickness, but I can see how it does really hurt some builds that rely on it. I don’t mind that they removed quickness, they just need to either A) lower the TTK for all by lowering the efectiveness of defensive builds or b) buff the abilities / builds that required quickness as a component to make it successful (ie GS warrior, pistol whip thief, etc).

And yes, it is very difficult to land 100b burst or pistol whip burst on good players. Any move that requires quickness was mostly used to coordinate focus burst on a target. I am pretty glassy as a thief, and I always have my finger on shadow step or blinding powder to be able to quickly negate incoming burst. If those are on CD and I get hit, that’s bad play on my part.

Anyway, I’m not partial one way or another on the removal of quickness, but I do see many builds that will become useless until they buff the abilities that relied on haste to make them effective.

5minute fight? tank vs tank.

would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

You main the same two that I pretty much mained with thief being a close second to ele.

I also played everything. And I got like to rank 25 in my first idk 5 days playing the game because I pretty much didn’t sleep.

Rank isn’t anything but telling me you’ve spent time playing.

I don’t care how well you stunbreak or dodge roll they aren’t going to save you when they are recharging.

Shukran.4851:

5minute fight? tank vs tank.

would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

For two glass cannons to go at it for that long means they are both outplaying eachother extremely well.

felivear.1536:

forrae.6708:

obviously troll is obvious.

He’s not trolling. He’s a highly skilled player. Having said that, I play a thief and I run a bursty build with high regen, condition clear stealth. I don’t use quickness, but I can see how it does really hurt some builds that rely on it. I don’t mind that they removed quickness, they just need to either A) lower the TTK for all by lowering the efectiveness of defensive builds or b) buff the abilities / builds that required quickness as a component to make it successful (ie GS warrior, pistol whip thief, etc).

And yes, it is very difficult to land 100b burst or pistol whip burst on good players. Any move that requires quickness was mostly used to coordinate focus burst on a target. I am pretty glassy as a thief, and I always have my finger on shadow step or blinding powder to be able to quickly negate incoming burst. If those are on CD and I get hit, that’s bad play on my part.

Anyway, I’m not partial one way or another on the removal of quickness, but I do see many builds that will become useless until they buff the abilities that relied on haste to make them effective.

hey, thanks feliaver.

but we are discussing with people that still use hotkeys 5,6,7,8,9,0 and their stun break is on 9… lol

This game isn’t an FPS (and besides, when was CS last played on a mayor tournament with a price pool etc). If you want to play an FPS, there are tons out there. Some are also pretty cheap. There isn’t alot of difference between them, so you can basically pick up one of them, and get almost the same experience then what you would get from the other one.

MMOs especially team based MMOs should be based around a team. That includes that a team is required to kill someone, not just one person to burst them down.

That time should also be high enough for your team to help you (other than getting you up from the downed state).
If you want a team based game, than fight should last at least 4~5s with some heavy burst.
And a fight should require a team to focus on downing someone. Not necessarily by hitting the same target, but also be knocking back allies, rooting allies, or any other form of CC towards those going to help your target.

R E F L H E X.8413:

You main the same two that I pretty much mained with thief being a close second to ele.

I also played everything. And I got like to rank 25 in my first idk 5 days playing the game because I pretty much didn’t sleep.

Rank isn’t anything but telling me you’ve spent time playing.

I don’t care how well you stunbreak or dodge roll they aren’t going to save you when they are recharging.

Shukran.4851:

5minute fight? tank vs tank.

would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

For two glass cannons to go at it for that long means they are both outplaying eachother extremely well.

Lmao, warrior have only 2 ways to stun you : Shield 4 – CD 25 and you have to be incredibly close, and bull rush CD 45 if I am not mistaken.

Both can be dodged .

Thief stuns only with pistol whip and basilik venom. Basilik CD 45 and pistol whip damage aint great without haste , so no biggy. Even with haste you can stun break then CC and then burst the thief.

Masternewbz.4953:

felivear.1536:

forrae.6708:

obviously troll is obvious.

He’s not trolling. He’s a highly skilled player. Having said that, I play a thief and I run a bursty build with high regen, condition clear stealth. I don’t use quickness, but I can see how it does really hurt some builds that rely on it. I don’t mind that they removed quickness, they just need to either A) lower the TTK for all by lowering the efectiveness of defensive builds or b) buff the abilities / builds that required quickness as a component to make it successful (ie GS warrior, pistol whip thief, etc).

And yes, it is very difficult to land 100b burst or pistol whip burst on good players. Any move that requires quickness was mostly used to coordinate focus burst on a target. I am pretty glassy as a thief, and I always have my finger on shadow step or blinding powder to be able to quickly negate incoming burst. If those are on CD and I get hit, that’s bad play on my part.

Anyway, I’m not partial one way or another on the removal of quickness, but I do see many builds that will become useless until they buff the abilities that relied on haste to make them effective.

hey, thanks feliaver.

but we are discussing with people that still use hotkeys 5,6,7,8,9,0 and their stun break is on 9… lol

9 to me is number 3 on my mouse, making my reflexes for my stunbreaks/blocks better than yours can possibly be using a keyboard no doubt, my thumb stays readily on it.

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga

Varonth.5830:

This game isn’t an FPS (and besides, when was CS last played on a mayor tournament with a price pool etc).

MMOs especially team based MMOs should be based around a team. That includes that a team is required to kill someone, not just one person to burst them down.

That time should also be high enough for your team to help you (other than getting you up from the downed state).
If you want a team based game, than fight should last at least 4~5s with some heavy burst.
And a fight should require a team to focus on downing someone. Not necessarily by hitting the same target, but also be knocking back allies, rooting allies, or any other form of CC towards those going to help your target.

Dude, a 1v1 burst vs burst lasts way longer thakittensec.

if your fights 1v1 are ending faster than 10 seconds you are incredibly bad at this game, I dont care wich spec vs wich spec.

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Masternewbz.4953:

felivear.1536:

forrae.6708:

obviously troll is obvious.

He’s not trolling. He’s a highly skilled player. Having said that, I play a thief and I run a bursty build with high regen, condition clear stealth. I don’t use quickness, but I can see how it does really hurt some builds that rely on it. I don’t mind that they removed quickness, they just need to either A) lower the TTK for all by lowering the efectiveness of defensive builds or b) buff the abilities / builds that required quickness as a component to make it successful (ie GS warrior, pistol whip thief, etc).

And yes, it is very difficult to land 100b burst or pistol whip burst on good players. Any move that requires quickness was mostly used to coordinate focus burst on a target. I am pretty glassy as a thief, and I always have my finger on shadow step or blinding powder to be able to quickly negate incoming burst. If those are on CD and I get hit, that’s bad play on my part.

Anyway, I’m not partial one way or another on the removal of quickness, but I do see many builds that will become useless until they buff the abilities that relied on haste to make them effective.

hey, thanks feliaver.

but we are discussing with people that still use hotkeys 5,6,7,8,9,0 and their stun break is on 9… lol

9 to me is number 3 on my mouse, making my reflexes for my stunbreaks/blocks better than yours can possibly be using a keyboard no doubt, my thumb stays readily on it.

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga

better than mine? lol…. you are nowhere near my skill bud…. I play on my mesmer Ellen ary and my ele masternewbz. Probably never seen me because you are too busy on wvw with low skilled players and hotjoins, while I am on tPvp.

I will 1v1 with a Underpowered spec and beat you 100%. call it.

Masternewbz.4953:

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You main the same two that I pretty much mained with thief being a close second to ele.

I also played everything. And I got like to rank 25 in my first idk 5 days playing the game because I pretty much didn’t sleep.

Rank isn’t anything but telling me you’ve spent time playing.

I don’t care how well you stunbreak or dodge roll they aren’t going to save you when they are recharging.

Shukran.4851:

5minute fight? tank vs tank.

would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

For two glass cannons to go at it for that long means they are both outplaying eachother extremely well.

Lmao, warrior have only 2 ways to stun you : Shield 4 – CD 25 and you have to be incredibly close, and bull rush CD 45 if I am not mistaken.

Both can be dodged .

Thief stuns only with pistol whip and basilik venom. Basilik CD 45 and pistol whip damage aint great without haste , so no biggy. Even with haste you can stun break then CC and then burst the thief.

Oh seems like you forgot this is a team game and that the warrior is not the only person there to do immobilizes/stuns and stuff to you.

He having a one hit kill is also useful for a sidesweep when the person is also in combat with another person or two, or three and he is defenseless from it.

Masternewbz.4953:

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Masternewbz.4953:

felivear.1536:

forrae.6708:

obviously troll is obvious.

He’s not trolling. He’s a highly skilled player. Having said that, I play a thief and I run a bursty build with high regen, condition clear stealth. I don’t use quickness, but I can see how it does really hurt some builds that rely on it. I don’t mind that they removed quickness, they just need to either A) lower the TTK for all by lowering the efectiveness of defensive builds or b) buff the abilities / builds that required quickness as a component to make it successful (ie GS warrior, pistol whip thief, etc).

And yes, it is very difficult to land 100b burst or pistol whip burst on good players. Any move that requires quickness was mostly used to coordinate focus burst on a target. I am pretty glassy as a thief, and I always have my finger on shadow step or blinding powder to be able to quickly negate incoming burst. If those are on CD and I get hit, that’s bad play on my part.

Anyway, I’m not partial one way or another on the removal of quickness, but I do see many builds that will become useless until they buff the abilities that relied on haste to make them effective.

hey, thanks feliaver.

but we are discussing with people that still use hotkeys 5,6,7,8,9,0 and their stun break is on 9… lol

9 to me is number 3 on my mouse, making my reflexes for my stunbreaks/blocks better than yours can possibly be using a keyboard no doubt, my thumb stays readily on it.

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga

better than mine? lol…. you are nowhere near my skill bud…. I play on my mesmer Ellen ary and my ele masternewbz. Probably never seen me because you are too busy on wvw with low skilled players and hotjoins, while I am on tPvp.

I will 1v1 with a Underpowered spec and beat you 100%. call it.

There is no possible way you can react on your keyboard moving your fingers across your section of numbers in comparison to a thumb staying on the keybind 100% of the time, think for one second, and this will hit you and make perfect sense.

This isn’t me saying me vs you, this is me saying my mouse keybind with my thumb on it is more than > you and your keyboard keybind.

This advantage is only known to those who actually use it.

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Masternewbz.4953:

R E F L H E X.8413:

You main the same two that I pretty much mained with thief being a close second to ele.

I also played everything. And I got like to rank 25 in my first idk 5 days playing the game because I pretty much didn’t sleep.

Rank isn’t anything but telling me you’ve spent time playing.

I don’t care how well you stunbreak or dodge roll they aren’t going to save you when they are recharging.

Shukran.4851:

5minute fight? tank vs tank.

would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

For two glass cannons to go at it for that long means they are both outplaying eachother extremely well.

Lmao, warrior have only 2 ways to stun you : Shield 4 – CD 25 and you have to be incredibly close, and bull rush CD 45 if I am not mistaken.

Both can be dodged .

Thief stuns only with pistol whip and basilik venom. Basilik CD 45 and pistol whip damage aint great without haste , so no biggy. Even with haste you can stun break then CC and then burst the thief.

Oh seems like you forgot this is a team game and that the warrior is not the only person there to do immobilizes/stuns and stuff to you.

He having a one hit kill is also useful for a sidesweep when the person is also in combat with another person or two, or three and he is defenseless from it.

and you forgot you have teamates by your side to help cover you with CC?

please dude, you are bad at this game and your opinion is incredibly worthless when it comes to balance.

have you ever heard of aura share and the endless CCs you can use to cover your teamate being focused?
besides if an ally gives you protection -33% dmg it will garantee u will survive through the burst even if you eat it all. and your allies can heal you too.

So i dont see your point

Learn 2 play. please.

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Masternewbz.4953:

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Masternewbz.4953:

felivear.1536:

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obviously troll is obvious.

He’s not trolling. He’s a highly skilled player. Having said that, I play a thief and I run a bursty build with high regen, condition clear stealth. I don’t use quickness, but I can see how it does really hurt some builds that rely on it. I don’t mind that they removed quickness, they just need to either A) lower the TTK for all by lowering the efectiveness of defensive builds or b) buff the abilities / builds that required quickness as a component to make it successful (ie GS warrior, pistol whip thief, etc).

And yes, it is very difficult to land 100b burst or pistol whip burst on good players. Any move that requires quickness was mostly used to coordinate focus burst on a target. I am pretty glassy as a thief, and I always have my finger on shadow step or blinding powder to be able to quickly negate incoming burst. If those are on CD and I get hit, that’s bad play on my part.

Anyway, I’m not partial one way or another on the removal of quickness, but I do see many builds that will become useless until they buff the abilities that relied on haste to make them effective.

hey, thanks feliaver.

but we are discussing with people that still use hotkeys 5,6,7,8,9,0 and their stun break is on 9… lol

9 to me is number 3 on my mouse, making my reflexes for my stunbreaks/blocks better than yours can possibly be using a keyboard no doubt, my thumb stays readily on it.

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga

better than mine? lol…. you are nowhere near my skill bud…. I play on my mesmer Ellen ary and my ele masternewbz. Probably never seen me because you are too busy on wvw with low skilled players and hotjoins, while I am on tPvp.

I will 1v1 with a Underpowered spec and beat you 100%. call it.

There is no possible way you can react on your keyboard moving your fingers across your section of numbers in comparison to a thumb staying on the keybind 100% of the time, think for one second, and this will hit you and make perfect sense.

This sin’t me saying me vs you, this is me saying my mouse keybind with my thumb on it is more than > you and your keyboard keybind.

omg, ur bad and dumb, I dont use 5 6 7 8 9 0.. i was assuming you did cuz u cried hard about thief and warrior

Masternewbz.4953:

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Masternewbz.4953:

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You main the same two that I pretty much mained with thief being a close second to ele.

I also played everything. And I got like to rank 25 in my first idk 5 days playing the game because I pretty much didn’t sleep.

Rank isn’t anything but telling me you’ve spent time playing.

I don’t care how well you stunbreak or dodge roll they aren’t going to save you when they are recharging.

Shukran.4851:

5minute fight? tank vs tank.

would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

For two glass cannons to go at it for that long means they are both outplaying eachother extremely well.

Lmao, warrior have only 2 ways to stun you : Shield 4 – CD 25 and you have to be incredibly close, and bull rush CD 45 if I am not mistaken.

Both can be dodged .

Thief stuns only with pistol whip and basilik venom. Basilik CD 45 and pistol whip damage aint great without haste , so no biggy. Even with haste you can stun break then CC and then burst the thief.

Oh seems like you forgot this is a team game and that the warrior is not the only person there to do immobilizes/stuns and stuff to you.

He having a one hit kill is also useful for a sidesweep when the person is also in combat with another person or two, or three and he is defenseless from it.

and you forgot you have teamates by your side to help cover you with CC?

please dude, you are bad at this game and your opinion is incredibly worthless when it comes to balance.

have you ever heard of aura share and the endless CCs you can use to cover your teamate being focused?

Learn 2 play. please.

When someone is angry (as angry as you are right now) they will not be reasoned with they are right no matter how wrong they are.

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You main the same two that I pretty much mained with thief being a close second to ele.

I also played everything. And I got like to rank 25 in my first idk 5 days playing the game because I pretty much didn’t sleep.

Rank isn’t anything but telling me you’ve spent time playing.

I don’t care how well you stunbreak or dodge roll they aren’t going to save you when they are recharging.

Shukran.4851:

5minute fight? tank vs tank.

would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

For two glass cannons to go at it for that long means they are both outplaying eachother extremely well.

in this meta, with this balance, there is a little space to playf for thief. so i can’t see the 5 minutes fight thief vs thief. just because their role is to nuke enemy.
when pw thieves will be playable this game has lost his nuke/bunker potential so it will be balanced. meanwhile a couple of pvp players will be in the mysts. rest doing pve

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Masternewbz.4953:

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Masternewbz.4953:

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You main the same two that I pretty much mained with thief being a close second to ele.

I also played everything. And I got like to rank 25 in my first idk 5 days playing the game because I pretty much didn’t sleep.

Rank isn’t anything but telling me you’ve spent time playing.

I don’t care how well you stunbreak or dodge roll they aren’t going to save you when they are recharging.

Shukran.4851:

5minute fight? tank vs tank.

would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

For two glass cannons to go at it for that long means they are both outplaying eachother extremely well.

Lmao, warrior have only 2 ways to stun you : Shield 4 – CD 25 and you have to be incredibly close, and bull rush CD 45 if I am not mistaken.

Both can be dodged .

Thief stuns only with pistol whip and basilik venom. Basilik CD 45 and pistol whip damage aint great without haste , so no biggy. Even with haste you can stun break then CC and then burst the thief.

Oh seems like you forgot this is a team game and that the warrior is not the only person there to do immobilizes/stuns and stuff to you.

He having a one hit kill is also useful for a sidesweep when the person is also in combat with another person or two, or three and he is defenseless from it.

and you forgot you have teamates by your side to help cover you with CC?

please dude, you are bad at this game and your opinion is incredibly worthless when it comes to balance.

have you ever heard of aura share and the endless CCs you can use to cover your teamate being focused?

Learn 2 play. please.

When someone is angry (as angry as you are right now) they will not be reasoned with they are right no matter how wrong they are.

When someone only talks and never proves its competence its useless to reason with them because their reason is incredibly poisoned by ignorance , and this ignorance shows in their poor performance.

I play among the best and vs the best.

you never touched tpvp, wich is the e-sport mode.

so yeah….

If u where so good , why didnt they inv u to the live twicth conversation with the Devs >
Ur opinion is worthless like ours :P

Masternewbz.4953:

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Masternewbz.4953:

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Masternewbz.4953:

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You main the same two that I pretty much mained with thief being a close second to ele.

I also played everything. And I got like to rank 25 in my first idk 5 days playing the game because I pretty much didn’t sleep.

Rank isn’t anything but telling me you’ve spent time playing.

I don’t care how well you stunbreak or dodge roll they aren’t going to save you when they are recharging.

Shukran.4851:

5minute fight? tank vs tank.

would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

For two glass cannons to go at it for that long means they are both outplaying eachother extremely well.

Lmao, warrior have only 2 ways to stun you : Shield 4 – CD 25 and you have to be incredibly close, and bull rush CD 45 if I am not mistaken.

Both can be dodged .

Thief stuns only with pistol whip and basilik venom. Basilik CD 45 and pistol whip damage aint great without haste , so no biggy. Even with haste you can stun break then CC and then burst the thief.

Oh seems like you forgot this is a team game and that the warrior is not the only person there to do immobilizes/stuns and stuff to you.

He having a one hit kill is also useful for a sidesweep when the person is also in combat with another person or two, or three and he is defenseless from it.

and you forgot you have teamates by your side to help cover you with CC?

please dude, you are bad at this game and your opinion is incredibly worthless when it comes to balance.

have you ever heard of aura share and the endless CCs you can use to cover your teamate being focused?

Learn 2 play. please.

When someone is angry (as angry as you are right now) they will not be reasoned with they are right no matter how wrong they are.

When someone only talks and never proves its competence its useless to reason with them because their reason is incredibly poisoned by ignorance , and this ignorance shows in their poor performance.

I play among the best and vs the best.

you never touched tpvp, wich is the e-sport mode.

so yeah….

The fact that you call this an e-sport says a whole hell of a lot about what you consider skill.

Shukran.4851:

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You main the same two that I pretty much mained with thief being a close second to ele.

I also played everything. And I got like to rank 25 in my first idk 5 days playing the game because I pretty much didn’t sleep.

Rank isn’t anything but telling me you’ve spent time playing.

I don’t care how well you stunbreak or dodge roll they aren’t going to save you when they are recharging.

Shukran.4851:

5minute fight? tank vs tank.

would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

For two glass cannons to go at it for that long means they are both outplaying eachother extremely well.

in this meta, with this balance, there is a little space to playf for thief. so i can’t see the 5 minutes fight thief vs thief. just because their role is to nuke enemy.
when pw thieves will be playable this game has lost his nuke/bunker potential so it will be balanced. meanwhile a couple of pvp players will be in the mysts. rest doing pve

Think different profs not necessarily two thieves, however what was running through my head was two glass cannon eles dodging and attempting to spike each other.

However this kind of stuff shouldn’t really even be possible or very rare in this kind of game compared to now.

The only time I can think of this happening is when the ele would split in gw1 gvg, and then this stuff would be seen.

5minute fight? tank vs tank.
would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

And yes, you would pay to see this, yes you would because the way it happens is much, much more interesting than just two people fighting, it is a split, and then someone reacting to the split making the 1v1 or whatever numbers they happen to be happen on split defense.

Think of gvg in the equation. Then it might hit you why none of the gw1 players are satisfied and it deals with a plethora of reasons, this being one of them.

gotta love all the condescending crap thrown around in these forums from so-called tpvp pros..

yeah it must feel great to be good at a game mode nobody plays or cares about at this point.. kinda like being the best player at the olympic handball event

btw since none of the really good pros are left playing the game, you might find yourself at a much lower ranking skillwise if those players come back. just saying lol

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Shukran.4851:

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You main the same two that I pretty much mained with thief being a close second to ele.

I also played everything. And I got like to rank 25 in my first idk 5 days playing the game because I pretty much didn’t sleep.

Rank isn’t anything but telling me you’ve spent time playing.

I don’t care how well you stunbreak or dodge roll they aren’t going to save you when they are recharging.

Shukran.4851:

5minute fight? tank vs tank.

would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

For two glass cannons to go at it for that long means they are both outplaying eachother extremely well.

in this meta, with this balance, there is a little space to playf for thief. so i can’t see the 5 minutes fight thief vs thief. just because their role is to nuke enemy.
when pw thieves will be playable this game has lost his nuke/bunker potential so it will be balanced. meanwhile a couple of pvp players will be in the mysts. rest doing pve

Think different profs not necessarily two thieves, however what was running through my head was two glass cannon eles dodging and attempting to spike each other.

However this kind of stuff shouldn’t really even be possible or very rare in this kind of game compared to now.

The only time I can think of this happening is when the ele would split in gw1 gvg, and then this stuff would be seen.

5minute fight? tank vs tank.
would pay $$$$ to see an esport with a 5mins tank v tank fight.
not

And yes, you would pay to see this, yes you would because the way it happens is much, much more interesting than just two people fighting, it is a split, and then someone reacting to the split making the 1v1 or whatever numbers they happen to be happen on split defense.

Think of gvg in the equation. Then it might hit you why none of the gw1 players are satisfied and it deals with a plethora of reasons, this being one of them.

i have spent NOt a single $ to observe top 100 gvg ladder in gw1, and i still think gw1 is ages ahead this and every other moorpg/coorpg for the next , at least , 3-5 years.
still wondering what’s wrong wit anet

Sure you did you spent that money when you bought guild wars 1.

I don’t know if there is a single strong argument vs that type of gameplay being more interesting.

When this game was released I myself would have been willing to pay an extra $40 to get gvg implemented and so would have many others. They would be willing to even buy a new game for a better more modern gw1, guarantee it.