Guild Wars 2

It means the divine will of Ram shall be hereto known by His enemies.

Wizardauz.3761:

Can someone tell me the meaning of this peculiar ritual? O.o

I honestly have no other reaction but to say that i was… entertained lol

All the best though guys, good fights out there

XD

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8818/gw153f.jpg

That was me who threw that. You ran away for like forever till we caught you. So you deserved a funeral pyre via thy holy ram. Good fights man but stop running away from us we just want to give you hugs.

On a side note I really love to throw flame rams down. They are just so beautiful

Other Masterpieces
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Ram Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKyJzX5vxfM

Rhyis.7058:

Wizardauz.3761:

What is this Holy Ram in which you speak of?! o_O

LOL. Amazing! That picture literally made me ‘lol’. Maguuma’s Holy Ram has been picked up across several servers. It’s quite hilarious, you Mags are such trend setters

Just going to throw this out to Yaks Bend, all servers have exploiters, that’s unavoidable. But do you honestly believe that after what happened yesterday, and the amount of times you have been portalled into inner SM that DB has not been checking over and over and over every single place with Stonemist? Do you honestly believe that the mesmer has been going unavoided for hours on end? We literally have been keeping 10-20 people in SM inner constantly searching and waiting for the mesmer to portal you in.

I’m not here with any evidence of the mesmer himself wall exploiting, it’s the wrong place for it. But can you be so naive to think that he is legitimate? Please, stop accepting his portals hours after we have flipped SM. There is honestly no place we haven’t checked, we have found several exploiting in the walls, but I’m not here to report that mesmer. I am here asking you, as a server, stop accepting the portals of an exploiter.

Wispy.8679:

Just going to throw this out to Yaks Bend, all servers have exploiters, that’s unavoidable. But do you honestly believe that after what happened yesterday, and the amount of times you have been portalled into inner SM that DB has not been checking over and over and over every single place with Stonemist? Do you honestly believe that the mesmer has been going unavoided for hours on end? We literally have been keeping 10-20 people in SM inner constantly searching and waiting for the mesmer to portal you in.

I’m not here with any evidence of the mesmer himself wall exploiting, it’s the wrong place for it. But can you be so naive to think that he is legitimate? Please, stop accepting his portals hours after we have flipped SM. There is honestly no place we haven’t checked, we have found several exploiting in the walls, but I’m not here to report that mesmer. I am here asking you, as a server, stop accepting the portals of an exploiter.

Just something to consider, and this goes for all servers. People make errors, those patrols you might have ‘actively’ searching could get distracted, or forget to search a spot at a particular time. I am not going to accuse you guys of not doing a good job sweeping, but can you right now say with a straight face the 10-20 of your friends for hours on end swept the exact spots and routes to ensure the ‘exploiter’ didn’t get away?

The thing about mesmers, the really, REALLY good ones is that they know not just where all the good hiding spots are, but where to go next if their spot is about to be compromised. Don’t get the wrong idea, it is plausible that the mesmer did phase through walls or some other bug that is appropriately wrong for this game. But at this stage there is enough evidence on the other side to say “The mesmer did avoid all the patrols in some godly-like fashion”.

The logic goes both ways, I never would condone exploiters, YB in the past like other servers has willingly given back objectives with adequate evidence supporting the theory. But maybe this time, as unbelievable as it sounds.

Maybe this mesmer knows that one more spot you guys don’t know about, we aren’t talking a keep here, we are talking Stonemist. But, as I said before, if we see an obvious exploit being abused on our side, we do take things like that seriously and refuse to work with exploiters and do make a ****storm on our server especially, the whole 9 yards.

- From a YB Pug, Jornosh

Keep in mind that for all this time, we knew a mesmer was inside inner SM. We knew that some of them are exploiting, one was in lord room wall trying to hide then Wp’d out once found, one was abusing hiding in the wall on the 2nd floor. You can see the npcs move around and yet no enemy visible. I am here, telling you with a straight face, we had 10-20 people patrolling SM inner. We were honestly waiting for the exploiting mesmer(s) to portal Yak’s in. This is all happening 2-4 hours after SM has been flipped over the past two days.

Do not mistake my post for acusing yak’s to be an exploiting server, I’m not saying that. Yesterday, Yak’s was portalled into SM inner so long after being flipped that the walls were upgraded, the doors and workers were upgraded and the WP was halfway done. Today, it took another 2 hours, and that entire time, everyone in EBG knew there was a mesmer in SM inner. We saw mesmers exploiting, we were constantly trying to fight a frankly needless fight against exploiters and then you think that we must have missed that mesmer? We looked in every legitimate spot and quite a few not legitimate. These mesmers that are offering portals hours after SM was flipped are exploiting. Stop taking their portals because I don’t believe you to be a server that encourages such behavior.

Obviously they should just delete the mesmer class and be done with it

Such a close race: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

Bunzy.8674:

Tynan.6279:

Bunzy.8674:

patricide.1062:

Wait wait wait… Yak’s is a nightcapping server? I’ve been blissfully unaware of this. Where’s the evidence that we nightcapped EBay/Mag with abandon in tier 4? Please provide it or be gone with the trash talking, really. Very few are the times I have awoken to a fully colored Yak map; in fact, every time we colored EBG green it was during the prime time of all three servers. I should know, I’ve been commanding it.

wait wait wait all this time you were winning you thought is was during NA pressence..? The reason maguuma beat both yaks and DB was because yaks nightforce wasn’t able to do what they normally do and cap everything.

Bunzy my little girl, why are you even here? From the looks of the score in tier 5 you only got a 4K lead over BP? which is giving you a -56 total point loss??? hahahaha

You seem to think Maguuma has the population of Yaks Bend or Ehmry bay. I would honestly say BP has more then us. We are just slightly ahead of DR in terms of population.

It’s always an excuse for you isn’t it? I’m starting to see a trend here.

nalenb.1425:

Such a close race: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

i’m curious is EB mostly a east cost server? just looking at the PPT and curious about the strong morning coverage. maybe EU coverage?

YB, I like fighting you a lot, but you have way too many thieves that don’t do anything but run around and abuse culling.

It’s all about server’s reputation.
If Yaks’ ppl kept thinking what they have done is legit then just kept doing it. It really doesn’t matter. I won’t say DB is the cleanest server but I can clearly remember 1 month ago when DB fighting DH in T5, 1 mesmer offer portal to SM inner (hold by DH for hours), all commanders shouted in channel telling ppl don’t take the portal coz we don’t believe that it’s legit. And guess what? No one from DB went to that free portal. For me, that’s the reason why I am still in DB (since day1). And I believe it is also part of the reason why more and more guilds think about xfer to DB. It’s all about server reputation. Yes someone always like to exploit, but the majority population is still enjoying play the legit game.

Wispy.8679:

Keep in mind that for all this time, we knew a mesmer was inside inner SM. We knew that some of them are exploiting, one was in lord room wall trying to hide then Wp’d out once found, one was abusing hiding in the wall on the 2nd floor. You can see the npcs move around and yet no enemy visible. I am here, telling you with a straight face, we had 10-20 people patrolling SM inner. We were honestly waiting for the exploiting mesmer(s) to portal Yak’s in. This is all happening 2-4 hours after SM has been flipped over the past two days.

Do not mistake my post for acusing yak’s to be an exploiting server, I’m not saying that. Yesterday, Yak’s was portalled into SM inner so long after being flipped that the walls were upgraded, the doors and workers were upgraded and the WP was halfway done. Today, it took another 2 hours, and that entire time, everyone in EBG knew there was a mesmer in SM inner. We saw mesmers exploiting, we were constantly trying to fight a frankly needless fight against exploiters and then you think that we must have missed that mesmer? We looked in every legitimate spot and quite a few not legitimate. These mesmers that are offering portals hours after SM was flipped are exploiting. Stop taking their portals because I don’t believe you to be a server that encourages such behavior.

CRrabbit.1284:

It’s all about server’s reputation.
If Yaks’ ppl kept thinking what they have done is legit then just kept doing it. It really doesn’t matter. I won’t say DB is the cleanest server but I can clearly remember 1 month ago when DB fighting DH in T5, 1 mesmer offer portal to SM inner (hold by DH for hours), all commanders shouted in channel telling ppl don’t take the portal coz we don’t believe that it’s legit. And guess what? No one from DB went to that free portal. For me, that’s the reason why I am still in DB (since day1). And I believe it is also part of the reason why more and more guilds think about xfer to DB. It’s all about server reputation. Yes someone always like to exploit, but the majority population is still enjoying play the legit game.

Wispy.8679:

Keep in mind that for all this time, we knew a mesmer was inside inner SM. We knew that some of them are exploiting, one was in lord room wall trying to hide then Wp’d out once found, one was abusing hiding in the wall on the 2nd floor. You can see the npcs move around and yet no enemy visible. I am here, telling you with a straight face, we had 10-20 people patrolling SM inner. We were honestly waiting for the exploiting mesmer(s) to portal Yak’s in. This is all happening 2-4 hours after SM has been flipped over the past two days.

Do not mistake my post for acusing yak’s to be an exploiting server, I’m not saying that. Yesterday, Yak’s was portalled into SM inner so long after being flipped that the walls were upgraded, the doors and workers were upgraded and the WP was halfway done. Today, it took another 2 hours, and that entire time, everyone in EBG knew there was a mesmer in SM inner. We saw mesmers exploiting, we were constantly trying to fight a frankly needless fight against exploiters and then you think that we must have missed that mesmer? We looked in every legitimate spot and quite a few not legitimate. These mesmers that are offering portals hours after SM was flipped are exploiting. Stop taking their portals because I don’t believe you to be a server that encourages such behavior.

Such upstanding citizens! Those lousy yaks! Just yesterday, my cousin who’s a yak bender, pushed an old lady in front of a bus. Luckily a DB was there to save her! Though if it had happened during NA hours, she would have perished

Also, YB AND EB need to accept the fact that DB has a huge overnight presence, oh well, we live with it. DB you guys need to accept the fact that they carry you. Doesn’t mean you’re bad during NA Hours, but jus don’t act like there’s another reason you’re in T4.

We don’t. I don’t know where and DB player has ever said that we don’t have an outstanding Asian Presence. We just take offense to the claim that NA prime is awful and we are just being carried when the scores don’t show that at all. Go look at the scores again. EB and YB keep acting like DB is ticking 50 all of NA primetime every day and in the morning we are ticking 500+. It just isn’t true.

Skapocalypse.5236:

Wizardauz.3761:

Can someone tell me the meaning of this peculiar ritual? O.o

I honestly have no other reaction but to say that i was… entertained lol

All the best though guys, good fights out there

XD

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8818/gw153f.jpg

That was me who threw that. You ran away for like forever till we caught you. So you deserved a funeral pyre via thy holy ram. Good fights man but stop running away from us we just want to give you hugs.

On a side note I really love to throw flame rams down. They are just so beautiful

*Videos

LOL too funny.

I had to run, so many of you >.< all the time, you guys seem to pop outta thin air. Seems like a good chase was in order, although eventually i just turned around and said screw it instead of continuing to run hehe.

I was surprised to see how fast you built that ram, and the fire was a nice touch.

But seriously, im impressed by DragonBrand borderland defense. Your response time combined with your numbers makes you pretty formidable… Alot of fun tho, 5v20+ is a great thrill especially when you give em a run for their money.

It’s obvious why a server would complain that they lose when they are asleep. Can’t get mad at us for doing it, but oh we’ll. gotta take the good with the bad

EnRohbi.2187:

YB, I like fighting you a lot, but you have way too many thieves that don’t do anything but run around and abuse culling.

Every time we’ve gone up against EB I’ve been impressed by their solo/group roamers. The average skill of an EB player is certainly one of the highest amongst NA servers.

But I have to agree that the thief groups are a bit ridiculous. They would still be great PvPers without abusing player culling… right now it’s just crazy.

I realize that En Rohbi is talking about YB, but EB seems to have even more thieves. ;p

Server ratings have very little to do with the strength of individual players on a server. It is a reflection of the overall strength of an entire server over a 24/7 period. If the other 2 servers are significantly weaker during a certain period than another server then they are a weaker overall server and will have a lower rating.

People take these ratings to mean a lot more than they actually do. Everyone on Dragonbrand is not automatically better than everyone on Yak’s just because the server won the week. It’s a team effort.

If your team is losing points while you sleep then there really isn’t anything you personally can do about it. Maybe try to recruit into that time slot? Or try to set up more defenses when you are stronger so when you are weaker your guys have more to work with? I don’t know if those things are already being done but complaining about the other teams coverage doesn’t do anything to fix the situation.

We’re proud of and grateful for our Asian presence. They help balance out our server quite well. We’re in T4 because we earned it as a whole, meaning both NA and Asian presence. Without one or the other, we would not be where we are. Any comments stating “they carry you” indicates a discredit to the NA people, whether directly implied or not. That’s about the same thing as someone saying the rest of your server carries you as an individual because your skill level isn’t as good as the rest of your server.

In regards to the mesmer issues in SM, I can honestly tell you DB is VERY thorough in mesmer sweeps. We take it very serious. We’ve also never been a server to jump the gun and complain about things such as this, so if we’re telling you there are some mesmer exploiters, you can bet your last dollar it’s true. If I found someone in my guild using exploits, they’re gone, no questions asked. I’d be the first one to report them.

Wispy.8679:

Just going to throw this out to Yaks Bend, all servers have exploiters, that’s unavoidable. But do you honestly believe that after what happened yesterday, and the amount of times you have been portalled into inner SM that DB has not been checking over and over and over every single place with Stonemist? Do you honestly believe that the mesmer has been going unavoided for hours on end? We literally have been keeping 10-20 people in SM inner constantly searching and waiting for the mesmer to portal you in.

I’m not here with any evidence of the mesmer himself wall exploiting, it’s the wrong place for it. But can you be so naive to think that he is legitimate? Please, stop accepting his portals hours after we have flipped SM. There is honestly no place we haven’t checked, we have found several exploiting in the walls, but I’m not here to report that mesmer. I am here asking you, as a server, stop accepting the portals of an exploiter.

Wispy, I invite you and anyone else for that matter, to go register at yaksbend.com and read our public forums concerning WvW. We do not tolerate cheating, hacks, exploits, whatever. You will find post after post of our commanders preaching to anyone that will listen, that this is not how we roll, and this is not the reputation that we want. We want to keep the play real, win or lose.

If you can provide a screenshot of anyone on Yaks Bend exploiting, cheating, or hacking, I can guarantee you they will be dealt with quickly.

We pride ourselves on being competitive, having a never-say-die attitude, great community, and a zero tolerance policy on cheating, or even something that would be considered ‘shady’. (ie, going into another servers voice chat and relaying to our commanders what they are doing.)

We can’t control everyone, and we do our best to let everyone know that this is not tolerated. If a Yak’s Bend player is seen cheating, we would actually welcome and encourage you to send us screenshots, preferably to yaksbend.com, so we can take action. I fully understand that getting screenshots can be difficult, but you have to understand that we can’t take action unless we have indisputable proof. Because, as has been pointed out already, as unlikely as you feel it is because of your extensive sweeps, there exists the possibility that someone has found an effective legit hidey-hole.

Having spent hours running with just about every commander on Yaks, I would find it extremely difficult to believe any of them would instruct anyone to utilize a portal created by a mesmer that knowingly exploited/hacked thier way into a building. As far as they knew, it was legit.

Just my 2 cents, take it for what it’s worth.

Kuldred.2436:

Wispy.8679:

Just going to throw this out to Yaks Bend, all servers have exploiters, that’s unavoidable. But do you honestly believe that after what happened yesterday, and the amount of times you have been portalled into inner SM that DB has not been checking over and over and over every single place with Stonemist? Do you honestly believe that the mesmer has been going unavoided for hours on end? We literally have been keeping 10-20 people in SM inner constantly searching and waiting for the mesmer to portal you in.

I’m not here with any evidence of the mesmer himself wall exploiting, it’s the wrong place for it. But can you be so naive to think that he is legitimate? Please, stop accepting his portals hours after we have flipped SM. There is honestly no place we haven’t checked, we have found several exploiting in the walls, but I’m not here to report that mesmer. I am here asking you, as a server, stop accepting the portals of an exploiter.

Wispy, I invite you and anyone else for that matter, to go register at yaksbend.com and read our public forums concerning WvW. We do not tolerate cheating, hacks, exploits, whatever. You will find post after post of our commanders preaching to anyone that will listen, that this is not how we roll, and this is not the reputation that we want. We want to keep the play real, win or lose.

If you can provide a screenshot of anyone on Yaks Bend exploiting, cheating, or hacking, I can guarantee you they will be dealt with quickly.

We pride ourselves on being competitive, having a never-say-die attitude, great community, and a zero tolerance policy on cheating, or even something that would be considered ‘shady’. (ie, going into another servers voice chat and relaying to our commanders what they are doing.)

We can’t control everyone, and we do our best to let everyone know that this is not tolerated. If a Yak’s Bend player is seen cheating, we would actually welcome and encourage you to send us screenshots, preferably to yaksbend.com, so we can take action. I fully understand that getting screenshots can be difficult, but you have to understand that we can’t take action unless we have indisputable proof. Because, as has been pointed out already, as unlikely as you feel it is because of your extensive sweeps, there exists the possibility that someone has found an effective legit hidey-hole.

Having spent hours running with just about every commander on Yaks, I would find it extremely difficult to believe any of them would instruct anyone to utilize a portal created by a mesmer that knowingly exploited/hacked thier way into a building. As far as they knew, it was legit.

Just my 2 cents, take it for what it’s worth.

I lil luv taken from your NA prime

http://i.imgur.com/Enh5o.jpg

feel free to get me moderated, lol

CrassBippy.4619:

Also, YB AND EB need to accept the fact that DB has a huge overnight presence, oh well, we live with it. DB you guys need to accept the fact that they carry you. Doesn’t mean you’re bad during NA Hours, but jus don’t act like there’s another reason you’re in T4.

Take a look at the income evolution chart here:
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

What you are saying just doesn’t match the data.

Innocent until proven guilty. As long as we do not have any evident to show the mesmer exploit inside SM, lets just leave it as it is. We wil continue to sweep SM more diligently.

Efface.8460:

I lil luv taken from your NA prime

http://i.imgur.com/Enh5o.jpg

feel free to get me moderated, lol

Standing there isn’t an exploit. It might be unfair that the invuln area extends under the cliff like that, but you can clearly see them, they have to move out from that spot in order to do anything and you can clearly see they have the invuln buff. It’s no worse than if they were grouped up at any other entrance and keep running back.

Grit.9061:

EnRohbi.2187:

YB, I like fighting you a lot, but you have way too many thieves that don’t do anything but run around and abuse culling.

Every time we’ve gone up against EB I’ve been impressed by their solo/group roamers. The average skill of an EB player is certainly one of the highest amongst NA servers.

But I have to agree that the thief groups are a bit ridiculous. They would still be great PvPers without abusing player culling… right now it’s just crazy.

I realize that En Rohbi is talking about YB, but EB seems to have even more thieves. ;p

I usually don’t mind facing thieves in wvw.
In fact, when I hear people complain about them in team chat I usually go try to find them and duel them, because they’re usually just noobs who are used to fighting people that get confused when they keep disappearing. And I can usually defeat them with a few well timed shatters

But then there are the other thieves.
The ones that are actually really good at playing their class, have good builds, but use/abuse stealth and culling to an extent completely off the walls of what would be normal use of the mechanic.

Yesterday, though, I noticed that more than half of the players I encountered from YB were thieves. Everywhere I saw “Yak’s Bend Invader” I saw them vanish in their little stealth-swirls.

nalenb.1425:

Standing there isn’t an exploit. It might be unfair that the invuln area extends under the cliff like that, but you can clearly see them, they have to move out from that spot in order to do anything and you can clearly see they have the invuln buff. It’s no worse than if they were grouped up at any other entrance and keep running back.

Oh hi Abbish.
I’m gonna make a big long post disagreeing with you, even though you’re in my guild and all C:

Standing there should definitely be considered in exploit in the exact same way that wall-jumping into a keep or tower is considered an exploit.
They both stem from the exact same thing, a designer oversight and inadequate QA testing.

Nobody even remotely in their right mind could say that anet intended you to be able to regain invulnerability by standing at the bottom of their spawn like that.
There’s a reason that every exit from a spawn point into an enemy camp drops off with a cliff like that, and it’s so you can’t keep retreating into your spawn as soon as you smell trouble.

When you make that jump to go take a camp, you should be committed to the attack. You don’t just get to go “Oh kitten, they have a defender. I guess I’ll just mosey on over here where I can’t take damage”.

But if I were to go wall-jump past the water gate in BL Garrisons, I would be reported and publicly shamed for the rest of my GW2 days.

CrassBippy.4619:

It’s obvious why a server would complain that they lose when they are asleep. Can’t get mad at us for doing it, but oh we’ll. gotta take the good with the bad

You don’t see our Asian players complaining??? So actually yes i can expect that you guys handle it better.

nalenb.1425:

Efface.8460:

I lil luv taken from your NA prime

http://i.imgur.com/Enh5o.jpg

feel free to get me moderated, lol

Standing there isn’t an exploit. It might be unfair that the invuln area extends under the cliff like that, but you can clearly see them, they have to move out from that spot in order to do anything and you can clearly see they have the invuln buff. It’s no worse than if they were grouped up at any other entrance and keep running back.

I can think of multiple scenarios where this can be unequally advantageous to the users….but I can sum it all up by saying: “time is money my friend”

actually it’s more of an inside joke anyway…considering how much they used to cry in mumble about others doing it….lol

Can someone post a link to Dev Post that said using false walls that Dev builit into a keep is considered a exploit if hide in them. Searched and could not find one. Or is this just case of a player calling something he doesn’t like a exploit? Like player who accused a server of exploiting because they “built” rams in water gate of Bay keep. (You know where ledge is at.)

Moddo.7105:

Can someone post a link to Dev Post that said using false walls that Dev builit into a keep is considered a exploit if hide in them. Searched and could not find one. Or is this just case of a player calling something he doesn’t like a exploit? Like player who accused a server of exploiting because they “built” rams in water gate of Bay keep. (You know where ledge is at.)

When the topic of false walls first appeared, it was in reference to certain cliffs within the Bay Keep which you can jump into and hide your character. No, I don’t have a link for you.. but A-net recognized it as an exploit.

This is just common sense though. Obviously a piece of terrain would never be designed so that your character can phase through it, unless it was a fun jumping puzzle feature or something. The areas in Stonemist where you can do this are undoubtedly a bug in the game that needs to be fixed. And utilizing a bug to your own advantage is exploiting, plain and simple.

The devs did not “build them into the keep”. The devs and QA testers made an oversight when checking player-object collision in these areas. It’s not an intentional feature by any stretch of the imagination. And it would boggle my mind to see anyone support such a feature.. we already take hours out of our day to sweep for legitimate mesmers.

Ethose.5694:

We don’t. I don’t know where and DB player has ever said that we don’t have an outstanding Asian Presence. We just take offense to the claim that NA prime is awful and we are just being carried when the scores don’t show that at all. Go look at the scores again. EB and YB keep acting like DB is ticking 50 all of NA primetime every day and in the morning we are ticking 500+. It just isn’t true.

Well heres a crazy idea:
Why don`t all of your NA prime time players pick a lower tier server with players that hardly WvWvW transfer there and prove us all wrong and let us know how it turns out.

EnRohbi.2187:

Standing there should definitely be considered in exploit in the exact same way that wall-jumping into a keep or tower is considered an exploit.
They both stem from the exact same thing, a designer oversight and inadequate QA testing.

Nobody even remotely in their right mind could say that anet intended you to be able to regain invulnerability by standing at the bottom of their spawn like that.
There’s a reason that every exit from a spawn point into an enemy camp drops off with a cliff like that, and it’s so you can’t keep retreating into your spawn as soon as you smell trouble.

When you make that jump to go take a camp, you should be committed to the attack. You don’t just get to go “Oh kitten, they have a defender. I guess I’ll just mosey on over here where I can’t take damage”.

But if I were to go wall-jump past the water gate in BL Garrisons, I would be reported and publicly shamed for the rest of my GW2 days.

How dare you disagree with a fellow server/guildmate ;-)

I guess I see different levels of abuse.
- changing the game code, I guess this is hacking
- taking advantage of bugs in the game
- taking advantage of design flaws in the game

I put this spot in the camp in the 3rd category, whereas hiding inside walls where you can’t be seen at all in the second category (along with the path to Hills inner they fixed or the garrison path around the gate).

I think everyone agrees #1 is bad. Most people agree #2 is bad. I guess with #3 I just don’t care. It’s just a camp and if they have enough people they are going to take it anyways. And only 2 out of the 3 exits from spawn have cliffs, the main exit allows you to run in and out at will.

I’m not sure what category I would put thieves in :-)

zuube.5930:

Well heres a crazy idea:
Why don`t all of your NA prime time players pick a lower tier server with players that hardly WvWvW transfer there and prove us all wrong and let us know how it turns out.

Don’t have to. Take a look at the income evolution chart. It’s pretty even across all timezones.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

zuube.5930:

Ethose.5694:

We don’t. I don’t know where and DB player has ever said that we don’t have an outstanding Asian Presence. We just take offense to the claim that NA prime is awful and we are just being carried when the scores don’t show that at all. Go look at the scores again. EB and YB keep acting like DB is ticking 50 all of NA primetime every day and in the morning we are ticking 500+. It just isn’t true.

Well heres a crazy idea:
Why don`t all of your NA prime time players pick a lower tier server with players that hardly WvWvW transfer there and prove us all wrong and let us know how it turns out.

accept the fact DB has superior coverage. Further, your server will have much more difficulty keeping up with DB as our NA group grows and builds on our solid foundation.

eye floater.7140:

IonusX.7905:

i see yaks has resorted to cheat and use exploits to take SM i saw the portals and the wall glitch u guys dont need to lie or cover up even tho you have to cheat we can still beat you so this quite sad that u have to act and play like scum to try and win

lol, what the hell? don’t get so angry over this, wow…
first off, it’s a game, and calling anyone in it “scum” just makes you look like a complete fool.
second, if you didn’t find the mesmer, it’s your kitten fault for not sweeping correctly.
third, if the mesmer WAS hiding in a false wall, you can’t say you wouldn’t do the same.
anyway, DB is winning by 25k+ points, there’s no reason to be so upset.
there’s been some talk of DB teaming up with EB too, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that were true.

well you see here is that its an exploit and if you had gonna and read my then next post you might have not need to say anything also referring to scum is decent word even if we are winning we took SM fair and square and when your mezmers have the kitten to use an exploit IE cheating i would call that lower than scum shows your character that you shouldn’t be on this tier or any tier for that matter if you want to play unfair as well the dev is also to blame that is why i have alrdy contact Anet about it and have receive a response on it. also he here is a coupe, pic on the area on which the mezmer used the exploit to by pass the walls

eye floater.7140:

IonusX.7905:

i see yaks has resorted to cheat and use exploits to take SM i saw the portals and the wall glitch u guys dont need to lie or cover up even tho you have to cheat we can still beat you so this quite sad that u have to act and play like scum to try and win

lol, what the hell? don’t get so angry over this, wow…
first off, it’s a game, and calling anyone in it “scum” just makes you look like a complete fool.
second, if you didn’t find the mesmer, it’s your kitten fault for not sweeping correctly.
third, if the mesmer WAS hiding in a false wall, you can’t say you wouldn’t do the same.
anyway, DB is winning by 25k+ points, there’s no reason to be so upset.
there’s been some talk of DB teaming up with EB too, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that were true.

well you see here is that its an exploit and if you had gonna and read my then next post you might have not need to say anything also referring to scum is decent word even if we are winning we took SM fair and square and when your mezmers have the kitten to use an exploit IE cheating i would call that lower than scum shows your character that you shouldn’t be on this tier or any tier for that matter if you want to play unfair as well the dev is also to blame that is why i have alrdy contact Anet about it and have receive a response on it. also he here is a coupe, pic on the area on which the mezmer used the exploit to by pass the walls

nalenb.1425:

EnRohbi.2187:

Standing there should definitely be considered in exploit in the exact same way that wall-jumping into a keep or tower is considered an exploit.
They both stem from the exact same thing, a designer oversight and inadequate QA testing.

Nobody even remotely in their right mind could say that anet intended you to be able to regain invulnerability by standing at the bottom of their spawn like that.
There’s a reason that every exit from a spawn point into an enemy camp drops off with a cliff like that, and it’s so you can’t keep retreating into your spawn as soon as you smell trouble.

When you make that jump to go take a camp, you should be committed to the attack. You don’t just get to go “Oh kitten, they have a defender. I guess I’ll just mosey on over here where I can’t take damage”.

But if I were to go wall-jump past the water gate in BL Garrisons, I would be reported and publicly shamed for the rest of my GW2 days.

How dare you disagree with a fellow server/guildmate ;-)

I guess I see different levels of abuse.
- changing the game code, I guess this is hacking
- taking advantage of bugs in the game
- taking advantage of design flaws in the game

I put this spot in the camp in the 3rd category, whereas hiding inside walls where you can’t be seen at all in the second category (along with the path to Hills inner they fixed or the garrison path around the gate).

I think everyone agrees #1 is bad. Most people agree #2 is bad. I guess with #3 I just don’t care. It’s just a camp and if they have enough people they are going to take it anyways. And only 2 out of the 3 exits from spawn have cliffs, the main exit allows you to run in and out at will.

I’m not sure what category I would put thieves in :-)

If you knew how dead easy it is to use some terrain to hop past some gates, you’d realize that it’s not even a bug and falls into your category 3 too :P

nalenb.1425:

EnRohbi.2187:

Standing there should definitely be considered in exploit in the exact same way that wall-jumping into a keep or tower is considered an exploit.
They both stem from the exact same thing, a designer oversight and inadequate QA testing.

Nobody even remotely in their right mind could say that anet intended you to be able to regain invulnerability by standing at the bottom of their spawn like that.
There’s a reason that every exit from a spawn point into an enemy camp drops off with a cliff like that, and it’s so you can’t keep retreating into your spawn as soon as you smell trouble.

When you make that jump to go take a camp, you should be committed to the attack. You don’t just get to go “Oh kitten, they have a defender. I guess I’ll just mosey on over here where I can’t take damage”.

But if I were to go wall-jump past the water gate in BL Garrisons, I would be reported and publicly shamed for the rest of my GW2 days.

How dare you disagree with a fellow server/guildmate ;-)

I guess I see different levels of abuse.
- changing the game code, I guess this is hacking
- taking advantage of bugs in the game
- taking advantage of design flaws in the game

I put this spot in the camp in the 3rd category, whereas hiding inside walls where you can’t be seen at all in the second category (along with the path to Hills inner they fixed or the garrison path around the gate).

I think everyone agrees #1 is bad. Most people agree #2 is bad. I guess with #3 I just don’t care. It’s just a camp and if they have enough people they are going to take it anyways. And only 2 out of the 3 exits from spawn have cliffs, the main exit allows you to run in and out at will.

I’m not sure what category I would put thieves in :-)

If you knew how dead easy it is to use some terrain to hop past some gates, you’d realize that it’s not even a bug and falls into your category 3 too :P

and then from here in the next pic once the mez has jumped on the ledge he then runs/jumps with a speed boost at any of the correct locations and falls through the world and now can put portals from outer SM to inner SM

this matchup reminds me how worthless the outmanned buff is

Efface.8460:

I lil luv taken from your NA prime

http://i.imgur.com/Enh5o.jpg

feel free to get me moderated, lol

Guess what? DB and EB use this invuln spot, too. And Mag, FA, TC, etc. Yeah it sucks, but it seems to be part of the game until Anet fixes it.

nalenb.1425:

Don’t have to. Take a look at the income evolution chart. It’s pretty even across all timezones.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

I honestly don’t think that you can take those charts too literally. The scores they publish seem to lag the actual timings and they simply aren’t updated enough to show the effect of the timezones.

I work erratic hours and simple observation tells me that DB is massively ahead during Asian peak hours and tends to lag behind in NA peak times. That’s not a criticism either just a statement of fact

Dear Yaks,

Thank you for leaving the milk and cookies out in your garrison.

Cheers,

Markan.3460:

nalenb.1425:

Don’t have to. Take a look at the income evolution chart. It’s pretty even across all timezones.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

I honestly don’t think that you can take those charts too literally. The scores they publish seem to lag the actual timings and they simply aren’t updated enough to show the effect of the timezones.

I work erratic hours and simple observation tells me that DB is massively ahead during Asian peak hours and tends to lag behind in NA peak times. That’s not a criticism either just a statement of fact

If your statement was true then yaks should be able to close the gap during NA prime time. but as the score reflects your server cannot do so because our NA crew can effectively keep your income in check. So either DBs NA is getting stronger and more effective or your server is becoming weaker and less effective.

Markan.3460:

nalenb.1425:

Don’t have to. Take a look at the income evolution chart. It’s pretty even across all timezones.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

I honestly don’t think that you can take those charts too literally. The scores they publish seem to lag the actual timings and they simply aren’t updated enough to show the effect of the timezones.

I work erratic hours and simple observation tells me that DB is massively ahead during Asian peak hours and tends to lag behind in NA peak times. That’s not a criticism either just a statement of fact

I’m pretty addicted to updating it. I’m off and on from 8am to 2am MST. Even stayed up till 4am the other night and the ppt were pretty even the whole time.

Efface.8460:

Kuldred.2436:

Wispy.8679:

Just going to throw this out to Yaks Bend, all servers have exploiters, that’s unavoidable. But do you honestly believe that after what happened yesterday, and the amount of times you have been portalled into inner SM that DB has not been checking over and over and over every single place with Stonemist? Do you honestly believe that the mesmer has been going unavoided for hours on end? We literally have been keeping 10-20 people in SM inner constantly searching and waiting for the mesmer to portal you in.

I’m not here with any evidence of the mesmer himself wall exploiting, it’s the wrong place for it. But can you be so naive to think that he is legitimate? Please, stop accepting his portals hours after we have flipped SM. There is honestly no place we haven’t checked, we have found several exploiting in the walls, but I’m not here to report that mesmer. I am here asking you, as a server, stop accepting the portals of an exploiter.

Wispy, I invite you and anyone else for that matter, to go register at yaksbend.com and read our public forums concerning WvW. We do not tolerate cheating, hacks, exploits, whatever. You will find post after post of our commanders preaching to anyone that will listen, that this is not how we roll, and this is not the reputation that we want. We want to keep the play real, win or lose.

If you can provide a screenshot of anyone on Yaks Bend exploiting, cheating, or hacking, I can guarantee you they will be dealt with quickly.

We pride ourselves on being competitive, having a never-say-die attitude, great community, and a zero tolerance policy on cheating, or even something that would be considered ‘shady’. (ie, going into another servers voice chat and relaying to our commanders what they are doing.)

We can’t control everyone, and we do our best to let everyone know that this is not tolerated. If a Yak’s Bend player is seen cheating, we would actually welcome and encourage you to send us screenshots, preferably to yaksbend.com, so we can take action. I fully understand that getting screenshots can be difficult, but you have to understand that we can’t take action unless we have indisputable proof. Because, as has been pointed out already, as unlikely as you feel it is because of your extensive sweeps, there exists the possibility that someone has found an effective legit hidey-hole.

Having spent hours running with just about every commander on Yaks, I would find it extremely difficult to believe any of them would instruct anyone to utilize a portal created by a mesmer that knowingly exploited/hacked thier way into a building. As far as they knew, it was legit.

Just my 2 cents, take it for what it’s worth.

I lil luv taken from your NA prime

http://i.imgur.com/Enh5o.jpg

feel free to get me moderated, lol

I have almost the exact same screenshot of Emhry Bay doing the same thing. I agree that it is pretty weak sitting in an invulnerable area and when I see players (on any server) doing this, I just back up into the camp and wait there.

Amins.3710:

Dear Yaks,

Thank you for leaving the milk and cookies out in your garrison.

Cheers,

I hope you didn’t waste more than two flame rams taking it down because no one is home at this time of day.

PvDoor

IonusX.7905:

eye floater.7140:

IonusX.7905:

i see yaks has resorted to cheat and use exploits to take SM i saw the portals and the wall glitch u guys dont need to lie or cover up even tho you have to cheat we can still beat you so this quite sad that u have to act and play like scum to try and win

lol, what the hell? don’t get so angry over this, wow…
first off, it’s a game, and calling anyone in it “scum” just makes you look like a complete fool.
second, if you didn’t find the mesmer, it’s your kitten fault for not sweeping correctly.
third, if the mesmer WAS hiding in a false wall, you can’t say you wouldn’t do the same.
anyway, DB is winning by 25k+ points, there’s no reason to be so upset.
there’s been some talk of DB teaming up with EB too, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that were true.

well you see here is that its an exploit and if you had gonna and read my then next post you might have not need to say anything also referring to scum is decent word even if we are winning we took SM fair and square and when your mezmers have the kitten to use an exploit IE cheating i would call that lower than scum shows your character that you shouldn’t be on this tier or any tier for that matter if you want to play unfair as well the dev is also to blame that is why i have alrdy contact Anet about it and have receive a response on it. also he here is a coupe, pic on the area on which the mezmer used the exploit to by pass the walls

Haha charr facing wall

IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE OF HACKING! Ban them all!!!!!!!!!!

Boreal.9826:

Efface.8460:

I lil luv taken from your NA prime

http://i.imgur.com/Enh5o.jpg

feel free to get me moderated, lol

Guess what? DB and EB use this invuln spot, too. And Mag, FA, TC, etc. Yeah it sucks, but it seems to be part of the game until Anet fixes it.

Just respondin to the dudes post….it’s all good brother

The Goat.1940:

Markan.3460:

nalenb.1425:

Don’t have to. Take a look at the income evolution chart. It’s pretty even across all timezones.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

I honestly don’t think that you can take those charts too literally. The scores they publish seem to lag the actual timings and they simply aren’t updated enough to show the effect of the timezones.

I work erratic hours and simple observation tells me that DB is massively ahead during Asian peak hours and tends to lag behind in NA peak times. That’s not a criticism either just a statement of fact

If your statement was true then yaks should be able to close the gap during NA prime time. but as the score reflects your server cannot do so because our NA crew can effectively keep your income in check. So either DBs NA is getting stronger and more effective or your server is becoming weaker and less effective.

We know DB’s NA period has gotten stronger. We know you had some NA transfer in. We know. We also know we have almost no Asian coverage when we are at work which is the reason for the big point ticks when you golem all our gates down and re-colour our map. We know.

Guess what. We know.