Guild Wars 2

Arcadio.6875:

Yaks were leading by as much as 111k earlier. FA made a 10k gain. Yaks will still win since they are ahead by a lot, but a rematch would be closer. For that to happen though, they’ll have to stay in T3 with CD dropping out of it after the next match.

You seem to forget that CD > Yaks.
At least according to last week. Unless Yaks got a large off-peak presence they won’t have the prime time advantage they had against CD the first match-up because TC owns prime time.

CD owns off-peak (asian/aussie) time even in t3.
So it will be a battle of TC vs CD for the most part again unless Yaks and TC focus CD only.

Re; the “infamous” TOG – why did you keep map hopping whenever our " huge zerg" of 12 [PRO] members and a couple pugs showed up? After 4 of our sub-80 players on arrow carts fended off more than 15 of you at Garrison water gate, you hit north outer gate of the east keep. We were actually hoping you didn’t come to us when we were hitting that west keep – you had the number superiority and we only had literally 12 of us to take that keep. You just left the map instead.

We just cleaned up after you, you logged off, and we wiped your entire fortified borderlands with 2 alpha golems / 20 people.

Cheers

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

It’s a start but I wouldn’t say a 70 member guild japanese guild and a 150 member EU guild is going to be enough to give us decent night coverage.

You are confusing Asian guilds= Early morning NA 7AM to 12 PM, EU Guilds = mid morning +11AM NA, Oceanic, Hawaiian and some part of east Europe = night coverage.

The Japanese and EU guilds will give you dominance from early morning to prime time or close to it.

You probably will still lack the late night or overnight presence but the asian and EU guilds will compensate for it, at least in T3, for T2 or T1 u need complete coverage.

Maniac.5163:

Re; the “infamous” TOG – why did you keep map hopping whenever our " huge zerg" of 12 [PRO] members and a couple pugs showed up? After 4 of our sub-80 players on arrow carts fended off more than 15 of you at Garrison water gate, you hit north outer gate of the east keep. We were actually hoping you didn’t come to us when we were hitting that west keep – you had the number superiority and we only had literally 12 of us to take that keep. You just left the map instead.

We just cleaned up after you, you logged off, and we wiped your entire fortified borderlands with 2 alpha golems / 20 people.

Cheers

Why would they defend it, if is going to be taken after they log off , is just a waste of gold.

And we took it back with just 4 rams and 15 people, a couple of hours ago.

Nanorin.9285:

So I have a question why does everyone hate Yak’s Bend so much.

Because Yak Bend is actually a “nice” Server and everyone poopoo on nice people. A server that let’s another server take orbs back contested when they got hacked m must be hated. Dam goody two shoes.

FA was cleaning up maps last couple of nights actually if it started like this we would be winning.

Not because we have more numbers (that sounds like a Yak’s excuse or whining), but because we have superior tactics and teamwork/communication. If anything Yak had twice the size zerg as us.

You see what I did there? Sounds exactly like what what some people on Yak’s were saying at the start of the reset. Sounds pretty arrogant and patronizing doesn’t it? And then why do people not like us? Hmmmm, I wonder.

PS – Some Yak’s are very good players, the statement above is to make a point, I don’t really think your inferior.

Whomever has a population advantage caps entire maps. That’s all WvW is right now. Also if people can afford upgrades or not. I personally cannot.

@Munki, I totally agree, and even would go so far as to say EVERY server, be it big or small has some very talented people out there its very nice to see. That is what keeps me coming back to WvW. And I think we should all recognize that WvW has a lot of problems/constraints at this point and ‘points’ or ‘winning’ or ‘dominating’ are largely not due to skill but due to other things, and I would love to see this change.

When numbers, money, hacks, exploits, time coverage, etc. stop causing such a major difference then we can have some real competition which I look forward to. At this point I don’t think any server has the right to say they are better or worse then the other because of all of these things, largely a servers position is circumstantial at this point by having more or less of that list above. And most people, including myself who are complaining are complaining about that list above, and frustrated that their time or money was lost due to those things which have nothing to do with their skill (or team or guild or even server) whatsoever.

Munki post was erased for some reason, but whatever was back at you anyways Munki. (wasn’t an offensive post).

kanikani.2430:

FA was cleaning up maps last couple of nights actually if it started like this we would be winning.

Not because we have more numbers (that sounds like a Yak’s excuse or whining), but because we have superior tactics and teamwork/communication. If anything Yak had twice the size zerg as us.

You see what I did there? Sounds exactly like what what some people on Yak’s were saying at the start of the reset. Sounds pretty arrogant and patronizing doesn’t it? And then why do people not like us? Hmmmm, I wonder.

PS – Some Yak’s are very good players, the statement above is to make a point, I don’t really think your inferior.

Today i logged at 9 am CST NA and i found the whole map green(is not longer that btw), but if u read the post from maniac, it kind of explains why.

And about the teamwork part, read this thread some of your own players even one of your top players(PRO) have expressed that you server lacks that .

For how hard ET was hit with people transferring off the server, we can still hold our own against the larger servers. We typically don’t have enough on to hold anything we take but when we do (like this past weekend) it is pretty awesome. We have a lot of skilled people and some new players who are willing to listen/learn that help make it enjoyable. We also don’t have the leaders who cuss and swear out people for not following their directions like they are some self declared supreme dictator… (thinking of the days I was on JQ). Overall, do we have a chance to actually WIN a WvW? No, ha no… but we will easily be a thorn in the other server’s sides when we go have enough participating. Good times so far Yak and FA. Look forward to more nights of battles.

Oh, and stop glitching into our main base. you can’t kill us and it’s annoying see you all running around like chickens.

Fought on ET BL on reset and yesterday. Can definitely vouch that you guys are as tough to beat as Yaks if not more so. You’ll put up a really good fight in whatever tier you end up in. It’s really too bad that it has taken weeks and will still continue to take weeks to get there.

Yeah it will be a slow process but it seems everyone still on the server knows that and are all willing to make the effort to do what it takes. Hopefully we will have a strong community by the end of all this lol

Maniac.5163:

Re; the “infamous” TOG – why did you keep map hopping whenever our " huge zerg" of 12 [PRO] members and a couple pugs showed up? After 4 of our sub-80 players on arrow carts fended off more than 15 of you at Garrison water gate, you hit north outer gate of the east keep. We were actually hoping you didn’t come to us when we were hitting that west keep – you had the number superiority and we only had literally 12 of us to take that keep. You just left the map instead.

I could equally ask why the FA zerg hopped, when I was on last night Oz time we were going around taking uncontested towers even Stonemist. Your zerg then showed up but for a while it was like you were doing what you’re saying we are doing.

kanikani.2430:

@Munki, I totally agree, and even would go so far as to say EVERY server, be it big or small has some very talented people out there its very nice to see. That is what keeps me coming back to WvW. And I think we should all recognize that WvW has a lot of problems/constraints at this point and ‘points’ or ‘winning’ or ‘dominating’ are largely not due to skill but due to other things, and I would love to see this change.

Agree, that no server has a monopoly on anything…skill or skill-less, dedicated or fair-weathers…etc. As you mention there are lots of things outside “skill” that determine the outcome of matches. A server can try to mitigate some of these external factors. I would argue (for good and bad) that population and coverage are arguable the largest factors that impact the scoring for a host of reasons…..the only way to mitigate this issue is to build your pop/coverage so its not a liability and be pushed up in the ranks to where other servers have similar-ish 24/7 coverage. The more servers that we can get that have reasonable coverage the better. Piling on the same server and flaming out is not good though.

With time, the matching system may balance this out in the mid tiers (non perfect coverage/pops) but I’m not sure the system/mechanics are currently refined enough. Combined with the fact that small pop changes (especially off peak) can make match-altering changes in these tiers. I suspect there will be lots of up in down in scoring in the mid tiers….which may be good or bad. Sounds like Anet is thinking of some changes and once we get more actual 3-way competitive matches it may get better. (ET props for being out and above attitudes, but your pop is non-viable at this tier both individually, and in the context of a 2v1 to hold back the leader)

This match has been interesting…..more then an increase in FA pop, I’ve noticed what seems like a decrease in Yak pop (lots of weekend warriors?….you seemed to imply losing a lead late in another match? – I don’t think that will happen this time…but just wondering if you have a larger weekend:weekday divide…could always be a one day anomaly though (large guild event(s) etc).

Yak has definitely shown me the value of supply and siege, which in my experience FA still can get better at securing (props to PRO for never ending blueprint supply), guarding, and cutting off from targets. I was in the group that took SM the other day and after we flipped it watched as 5+ people ran to the supply depot within SM to take supply from the keep and run off to the next thing as opposed to going to a supply camp and letting our keeps and towers internal supply build for active defensive uses.

One thing that I’m sure would benefit all servers communities and coordination is server subforums……I likely missed it, but are we getting those?

rhonyn.6810:

With time, the matching system may balance this out in the mid tiers (non perfect coverage/pops) but I’m not sure the system/mechanics are currently refined enough.

I think what will happen is the mid tier servers will be fed up with non-competitive matches. Some, like FA, will put a large effort in recruiting to become a 24/7 server. Others will have people quitting WvW altogether or leaving for 24/7 servers. There will be no mid tier server in the sense that all tiers will either have 24/7 servers competing or low pop servers competing.

We tried all night to draw FA into a fight but they seemed intent on avoiding us. I guess we just kept missing each other. Bit wierd…

Eventually we had a big battle at Stonemist where TOG annihlated you several times. Then I went to bed at 11:30 our time. Maybe you regrouped and killed us… I dunno.

Apparently someone doesn’t know the trick to get peoples names via report function in WvW. Some mes chased me off when I was trying to solo cap a camp just a bit ago and when I ran as the NPCs had me at low hp they insisted on laughing taunting me etc. So I got the name via report function then went in and killed as it was just me and the mes no NPCs helping them anymore.

I pmed shouldn’t taunt people like that or they might come after ya. They asked who I was which I told them then they call me all kinds of names saying I have different accounts and am a Spy. Then when I explain how I got their name to pm they start to call me a cheater.

So now one of you Yaks think me an FA member is a cheater and spy because I pmed them lol. Their name is Aviachor.8204. This is why I don’t read much into the whole this person hacks and cheats etc as I know there are cheaters in this game but many people don’t understand things and thus get mad and claim cheats liek this fellow.

I frequently PM people by getting the name via the report function – you are more than welcome to get them to speak to any commander on the map to get them sorted out.

Subtle, you can’t really see the Invaders/Defenders commanders from the other server, how do you find out who the commander is?

You look at the buff on the enemy character, it will show the commander buff.

Or just tell the guy to talk to his commander who will then explain it to him.
OR if you have to.. you can direct him to me:

/w Subtle

Sorry about his ignorance.

I want to know who these mythical transfers are. I keep hearing we have a new Japanese guild (What tag? JPN has been with us for weeks) and we have Europeans coming in the next fortnight or so.

I haven’t seen a single new guild in WvW for FA. Just higher morale because we have a lot of strong fair weathers and lower Yak’s numbers.

Can someone from FA clear this up for me and give me an idea of how many numbers they are sending into WvW in my timezone? (Late oceanic and early morning NA) To me, right now – it looks like we have increased participation, while Yak’s have dropped sharply since the weekend. I know prime time NA is going to be intense.

Re; TOG – Maybe that was the case. We were watching the maps to see where you were moving and following you along from map to map. Maybe you were just going for whatever was easy to grab, maybe you were looking for us on maps that were already pretty much ghost towns. By the way, the only reason you lose stuff when you sleep is we stay up longer. We are 98% Australian and North American in [PRO]. Anyways, I like some friendly rivalry and respect you as opponents. See you out there.

I tried to explain it to him myself but after I did so fully he responded with “Oh I’m sorry all I heard you say was you cheat and that you’re a bad word.” Then he put me on ignore.

Anywho this has by far been on of the better WvW weeks I have exp even though we are in second place. It isn’t like its always been where one team controls 90% of the map the whole week. Even though you Yaks are like 100K more pts than us it still feels very back and forth.

you could catch up if you have more days like today

Reonhato.5914:

At one point after I noticed briar had been captured on our home borderlands, I went to check it out and sure enough I found a yak zerg pvdooring bays. I went to EB and told everyone, we had some people transfer to our borderlands while some stayed to capture the rest of EB before coming to help. By the time I got back bays was gone and yaks were starting on sunny and the garrison (with golems) at the same time. We were still out manned so we went to defend crag, we managed to get rid of the outmanned buff and defended crag, while we were cleaning up crag yaks rushed through the last keep and only a couple people made it in time to see a big zerg go into the lord room. By now our EB friends had arrived, we went to crag expecting yaks to show up since it was our last tower…. nope 5 minutes after the outmanned buff went off yaks were now outmanned.

its disappointing that we finally get enough people to show up in offpeak to actually fight and we spend the entire time chasing a giant yak zerg around 4 different maps.

I fail to see what you are talking about. Giant Yak Zerg? we were severely out manned yesterday, and green capped pretty much everything, so we had a simple strategy, we took all of our borderlands back, then our zerg went to ET BL, and a few stayed in our borderlands. Then a squad of 7 or 8 took your eastern keep in your borderlands and all of your camps, after that we let the zerg know and move to your borderlands to cap all of it except a tower and garrison, then we moved to Eternal battlegrounds to cap it. Now you could say our Huge zerg was running away from you, or we could say you guys were avoiding fighting us…

It’s funny that some people from FA are saying that we whine about numbers, even though from the very first posts of this topic some FA members keep complaining about their lack of oceanic players (assuming we do not lack them?), that they almost never get queue times (assuming that we get them?) and how many fights they won or lost outnumbered (assuming that the yaks are always the the majority?).

For the sake of reducing redundancy, let me point out, from my own observations:

1. Both servers seem to be equally numbered at primetime, and generally the amount of points each server has stays stable, however the Yaks seem to have a few more people after prime time hanging around for an hour or two. On the other hang, what FA fails to notice is that pre-primetime they are the ones with the numbers, in others words, FA’s prime time starts an hour or two before Yaks, and ends an hour or two earlier. I do believe that is why FA has this illusion that Yaks have significant off-prime time presence.

2. Everyone thinks they are outmanned most of the time, because, whether they win or lose, people notice the fights where they are out numbered and brag/complain about their wins/loses in them. Nobody mentions the fights where their 30 man zerg train stomps the poor 10 man squad in an unupgraded tower after the little squad held off for more than they should’ve been able to. You know just yesterday my guild with about 8 people held of middle island south of ET BL for over 30 mins against 15-20 FA while discussing our next move. I died once and I had to clear my inventory at least 3 teams from the amount of loot I was getting. Yet I dont walk around assuming, and speaking as if that’s the typical situation. You can brag about it all you want, but dont talk as if it’s the norm. Sometimes you are outmanned, sometimes you are outmanning us, at the end of the day we are both about equally populated servers…

3. Actually scratch the equally populated….FA numbers are drastically increasing, yes I have noticed that the big European guild has not transferred yet, but there are other transfers…half of the threads I read on WvW have at least one FA trying to recruit people….just because someone woke up one day and saw the map blue after it was green and concluded that yak has a massive night team…Well, there you have it FA, we were evenly numbered and now you’ve got the numbers, I hope this whole outmanned argument is going to die out now.

4. As far as spying accusations, yeah there are many things that could imply there’s a spy….last night at one point while some of our commanders where discussing that, some people tried to test it and started randomly giving out false information in map chat, and we were seeing immediate reactions from 10 or so people from certain guilds leaving what they are doing and heading towards the location of the false information we were giving in our server chat. Do I believe they have a spy? No, could’ve been coincidences, you know sometimes we see what we want to see. Though there are thousands of people out there with an extra copy of GW2 and an extra computer, and some decide to abuse it.

The badgers will see you on the battlefield

Maniac.5163:

I want to know who these mythical transfers are. I keep hearing we have a new Japanese guild (What tag? JPN has been with us for weeks) and we have Europeans coming in the next fortnight or so.

Maybe its hard to see from your side but up until yesterday Aust. time at a certain time every single day from our POV at least 90% of FA players seemed to log off. This was confirmed by all the comments at the beginning of the thread about FA having almost nil presence other than at NA prime time. Now all of a sudden you have massive numbers at that time that you had previously dropped off. Why has that occurred? NA players staying up later on election day? Why weren’t they doing that on the weekend?

Maniac.5163:

Re; TOG – Maybe that was the case. We were watching the maps to see where you were moving and following you along from map to map. Maybe you were just going for whatever was easy to grab, maybe you were looking for us on maps that were already pretty much ghost towns.

We were actually looking for a fight, there were comments in TOG TS about finding your zerg so we actually had something to fight.

Maniac.5163:

By the way, the only reason you lose stuff when you sleep is we stay up longer.

You may have last night Oz time but it hasn’t been the case for most of the week.

What I don’t understand is why yaks bend is acting like they lost the match when they have a 100k lead.

IRSyKo.5843:

What I don’t understand is why yaks bend is acting like they lost the match when they have a 100k lead.

How are we acting like we’ve lost the match?

It’s too bad we can’t get a graph of WvWvW participation per world per hour over the course of the week. I guarantee that sort of information is available somewhere, and I’d pay money to get my mitts on it. I bet they could even break it down by regional representation.

Ah well. Hopefully we see some more good fights the next few days.

While it may or may not be true, most WvW Yaks Bend players feel that we lost a match against SoR purely because our opponent got a sizeable influx of high quality players. At the very least most admit that those transfers ruined our week of WvW. So you are going to find a lot of people on our server are sensitive to it happening again.

While we know we have the lead (and honestly, FA has their work cut out for them to make up the deficit), many people are just sensitive to highly visibile and large-ish transfers occurring mid match. And while not all the transfers may happen, you have your recruiters admitting they had a 70ish guild already join, a 100ish man guild that supposedly joined today, and I believe a 40ish guild join? And those are WvW dedicated guilds. No matter how you slice it, gaining 200ish dedicated WvWers is going to cause their opponents alarm

I think many of the NA servers likely have comparable NA prime pops….but the period of time when both servers have 4 map queues is the only time you can say with certainty they had “equal” numbers on the field…..and for FA (and I assume Yak too?) the only time that happened (if at all?) was Friday after reset for a few hours.

As an FA player I have had the out-manned buff on several occasions….has Yak gotten this buff? I honestly haven’t noticed it, but obviously I’m only out there for a very small fraction of the time, or could have missed it as well.

I would also note pop advantage after prime > pop advantage a few hours before prime from a points acquisition potential.

It is what it is….

FA did well today. Several good Commanders were on and we took over Eternal, Fort Apsenwood a good portion of Yak’s map. Here is a screenshot of the score this afternoon around 3pm EST.

For those who think FA cannot come back and win, you don’t realize how powerful the orbs were. Now that they are gone it is VERY POSSIBLE to come back and win. It is only Tuesday. The war doesn’t end until Friday.

We have strong Commanders (and bad ones). I suggest players of FA start looking at what each Commander is doing and even asking them.

I know certain Commanders focus on towers and keeps while others prefer focusing on camps and defense. Communication is key.

IRSyKo.5843:

What I don’t understand is why yaks bend is acting like they lost the match when they have a 100k lead.

The match is only half over, and if you guys have enough transfers you guys could would, it has happened before, and more likely now without orbs. And honestly the transfers you have gotten are ridiculously significant…a couple hundred WvW dedicated players is a match breaker.

The other reason is because some FA players are still complaining about being out numbered, still beggi…excuse me, looking for recruits, by claiming that the only reason they are losing against us is because of our night capping, posting screen shots of the map all green at their prime time before they go to bed, and all blue after they log off….when any Yak bend could make the exact same posts and just reverse the screen shots. I mean the map was all blue when I went to bed last night and it’s all green now. Your server is at it’s primetime now while our many of our commanders and leaders are not even online now. Are we complaining as much about you “night capping”? no…So I wish those FA players would stop being biased, if you want to recruit more players then good, all servers at our tiers do so they can move up to upper tiers, but I find the way some FA are recruiting is kind of cheap, and also diminishing to our server claiming that the only reason we are winning is because of night capping.

And btw we also do get the outmanned buff….again, dont understand why some people still assuming that Yak Bend is a huge-pop server. And if you dont see it on the other team while you have it, well that’s for a logical reason.

I have to admit that I am a little jealous that, whether FA wins or loses this week, they have ultimately won with the large transfers they have gotten with their whole claim that they are demolishing us on primetime and only losing cause of night capping.

FireRunner.9481:

We have strong Commanders (and bad ones). I suggest players of FA start looking at what each Commander is doing and even asking them.

I would be more than happy to help anyone who interested in WvW. We’re not really looking for many new members at the moment but if anyone on FA would like to learn about WvW or tag along with my guild (BT) just send me a tell at any point and we’ll help.

Ekove.4586:

IRSyKo.5843:

What I don’t understand is why yaks bend is acting like they lost the match when they have a 100k lead.

The match is only half over, and if you guys have enough transfers you guys could would, it has happened before, and more likely now without orbs. And honestly the transfers you have gotten are ridiculously significant…a couple hundred WvW dedicated players is a match breaker.

The other reason is because some FA players are still complaining about being out numbered, still beggi…excuse me, looking for recruits, by claiming that the only reason they are losing against us is because of our night capping, posting screen shots of the map all green at their prime time before they go to bed, and all blue after they log off….when any Yak bend could make the exact same posts and just reverse the screen shots. I mean the map was all blue when I went to bed last night and it’s all green now. Your server is at it’s primetime now while our many of our commanders and leaders are not even online now. Are we complaining as much about you “night capping”? no…So I wish those FA players would stop being biased, if you want to recruit more players then good, all servers at our tiers do so they can move up to upper tiers, but I find the way some FA are recruiting is kind of cheap, and also diminishing to our server claiming that the only reason we are winning is because of night capping.

And btw we also do get the outmanned buff….again, dont understand why some people still assuming that Yak Bend is a huge-pop server. And if you dont see it on the other team while you have it, will that’s for a logical reason.

I have to admit that I am a little jealous that, whether FA wins or loses this week, they have ultimately won with the large transfers they have gotten with their whole claim that they are demolishing us on primetime and only losing cause of night capping.

So Yaks amassed a 100k point lead in 48 hours due to superior strategy/play over the weekend, while on the other hand FA closing the gap by just 10k over 48 hours is purely the result of transfers and a large and growing population advantage…?

Not sure why you are getting so upset over this….you had numbers advantage over the weekend, FA seems to have a numbers advantage now. Is this due to FA recruiting, more “native” FA’s playing, or less Yak’s playing?….or combination of all of the above?…prolly…..who cares?….kill stuff. Does any of this imply that Yaks or FA didn’t employ good/great strategy?…no. The only “issue” that was taken from some of the FA posters in this thread was the insistence, by some, that Yaks early points lead had nothing to do with population dynamics, and was just superior skill/strategy.

In mid tier matches at this stage of the games life, I would prolly go as far as to say the majority of the outcomes are primarily attributable population dynamics. You said so yourself in your post above… prime-time we seem to have similar population numbers and the point ticks stay relatively stable, they only move wildly when there is population mismatches. The servers able to benefit from the longer period of mismatches wins…..this is essentially GW2 WvW as it stands now…..as you get into higher tiers periods of mismatches are less and other elements of gameplay become more important. Its the system we have atm. /shrug

Ekove.4586:

And if you dont see it on the other team while you have it, will that’s for a logical reason.

brilliant.

rhonyn.6810:

So Yaks amassed a 100k point lead in 48 hours due to superior strategy/play over the weekend, while on the other hand FA closing the gap by just 10k over 48 hours is purely the result of transfers and a large and growing population advantage…?

Bit of a strawman there.

rhonyn.6810:

Not sure why you are getting so upset over this…

You don’t see why we would be annoyed at a match being decided by transfers in the middle of it?

morrolan.9608:

rhonyn.6810:

So Yaks amassed a 100k point lead in 48 hours due to superior strategy/play over the weekend, while on the other hand FA closing the gap by just 10k over 48 hours is purely the result of transfers and a large and growing population advantage…?

Bit of a strawman there.

rhonyn.6810:

Not sure why you are getting so upset over this…

You don’t see why we would be annoyed at a match being decided by transfers in the middle of it?

I would assume it’s about as annoying as beating someone in your primetime and then losing to PvDoor while listening to patronizing comments about “superior tactics and coordination”.

Again – what’s with the defeatist attitude. This match is already decided?

Cogbyrn.7283:

It’s too bad we can’t get a graph of WvWvW participation per world per hour over the course of the week. I guarantee that sort of information is available somewhere, and I’d pay money to get my mitts on it. I bet they could even break it down by regional representation.

The next best thing – http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/40

To equate it with population fluctuations, you of course have to assume that PPT reflects the relative WvW populations at any particular point. With that in mind, I think it shows time zone trends reasonably well.

To answer someone else’s question, YB does have a bigger weekend than working day presence. From my own observations, our WvW population also seems to drop when we are winning by a large margin. I know the only times I haven’t logged in are when we are well in the lead.

morrolan.9608:

rhonyn.6810:

So Yaks amassed a 100k point lead in 48 hours due to superior strategy/play over the weekend, while on the other hand FA closing the gap by just 10k over 48 hours is purely the result of transfers and a large and growing population advantage…?

Bit of a strawman there.

rhonyn.6810:

Not sure why you are getting so upset over this…

You don’t see why we would be annoyed at a match being decided by transfers in the middle of it?

My thoughts exactly…Though let me expand by saying that, as mentioned we didn’t argue that we got 100k point lead because of strategy, and it is exactly the core of why I am upset about the transfers:

The first day was very very close and FA had the lead by 500-1500 for the first few hours…a tiny tiny lead but I suppose it gave FA too much confidence…and typically as any server who captures SM they over-invested in EB BL…while some of our very organized squads started making a comeback in other borderlands and week took the lead in points per tick and held it there…then we took the lead for the rest of the primetime, again, by about the same amount. Then as most people logged the next day, surprise surprise, the Yaks are winning by over 10k points. This is when the forums exploded about our “night capping powers” and FA was showing even less resistance in the primetime of the next two days, I guess many people spirits died, and that’s how we gained a lead of over 100k. It is because many FA players, decided to quit think we are going to dominate when it was a clearly close match, and our night squads are really small and easily counterable (Im sure 10 people can hold off our 20 man squad in a fully upgraded keep…).

Then, FA started this whole fuss about how they are a great server in primetime losing due to night capping after dominating during the day to recruit, when we won the first day in prime time with near identical number and just picked up an even more significant lead….and decided to recruit, and fight us now gaining points now with their new wave of recruits. Unnecessary considering the matchup was close. Im not saying FA is gaining 10k each day now because of transfers, it’s mostly because of the people who quit after losing the first day and deciding to come back and put up a fight like they did in the first day. Though sure, a 100-200 extra players never hurt.

Munki.9452:

While it may or may not be true, most WvW Yaks Bend players feel that we lost a match against SoR purely because our opponent got a sizeable influx of high quality players. At the very least most admit that those transfers ruined our week of WvW. So you are going to find a lot of people on our server are sensitive to it happening again.

In the 29-Oct weekly match FA was matched against BG and DB. We started with DB winning and FA coming a close second.

2 days into that match BG had a huge population increase and essentially become a Tier 1 server. To say their population increase was sizeable would be an understatement. So FA knows exactly what’s it’s like to have a population shift change a match.

Score update anyone?

Relentliss.2170:

We tried all night to draw FA into a fight but they seemed intent on avoiding us. I guess we just kept missing each other. Bit wierd…

Eventually we had a big battle at Stonemist where TOG annihlated you several times. Then I went to bed at 11:30 our time. Maybe you regrouped and killed us… I dunno.

I’d like to clarify last night’s weird clashes between TOG and PRO during Oceanic time.

We started on YB BL where we were trying to slowly claw stuff back. This was Oceanic prime time and there were only about 20 FA players total on your borderland. Initially we didn’t have the outmanned buff.

At about the time we started to treb DB a huge TOG zerg appeared and started to push us back. We ended up fighting all the way back to Greenlake where we setup multiple superior arrow carts and ballistas. At this point we had the outmanned buff and there were only about 10 PRO guild members and a couple of other people left in YB BL.

After taking down the west tower wall with catapults you sent in a mesmer and portal bombed us with about 40 players. Half of us were dead before you guys had even rendered for us.

At that point we were told that FA was trying to get SMC so we moved to EB to help attack that. We got inside SMC and suddenly TOG appeared in EB asndportal bombed us there as well.

After that initial SMC push our team split into two forces. The majority kept attacking SMC while most of PRO guild went to take Langor, Bravost and the YB Keep. At this point Yak forces were cut off at Langor and their Keep, essentially draining SMC of support.

Mid-way through our attack on Bravost FA took SMC. After taking bravost FA now held SMC and all of Yak Bend’s stuff in EB. At which point PRO guild then moved back to FA BL.

The TOG guild arrived in FA BL about 15 minutes after we retook Sunnyhill and Garrison. After we drove you off at the Garrison water gate you went to the Hills keep (east side). At this time we were retaking DB (west side), so we never met.

Then around midnight Australian time most of the TOG guys left all of a sudden, leaving FA to PvD for the rest of their BL.

So we weren’t avoiding you, we were simply moving to where we were most productive. In fact, in EB we came directly to your side of the map — attacking Danelon, Langor, your keep, and Bravost. The main problem was your group of roving players (40 or so) was far larger than ours (15 or so), so we had to be tactical in what we attacked or defended.

Haldunius.7864:

I would assume it’s about as annoying as beating someone in your primetime and then losing to PvDoor while listening to patronizing comments about “superior tactics and coordination”.

FA hasn’t really beat Yaks in the prime time this match up until the past day or two. I get that you guys are used to saying that you’re unstoppable in prime time but that just isn’t what happened last friday. You guys had maybe a couple hundred point lead and as of the end of prime time Friday the match was anyone’s game.

I am well aware that a 1 point lead is technically winning. But the small lead you had just isn’t really enough to claim your server was the superior prime time server. With scores so close it would be foolish to say the match would always play out that way.

morrolan.9608:

rhonyn.6810:

So Yaks amassed a 100k point lead in 48 hours due to superior strategy/play over the weekend, while on the other hand FA closing the gap by just 10k over 48 hours is purely the result of transfers and a large and growing population advantage…?

Bit of a strawman there.

rhonyn.6810:

Not sure why you are getting so upset over this…

You don’t see why we would be annoyed at a match being decided by transfers in the middle of it?

Transfers are just numbers/coverage. And you seem to concede that numbers/coverage are what drives a matches outcome (i.e. “match being decided by transfers”). Should I be upset that server numbers/coverage going into a match decide the outcome?

Ordibble.3092:

Cogbyrn.7283:

It’s too bad we can’t get a graph of WvWvW participation per world per hour over the course of the week. I guarantee that sort of information is available somewhere, and I’d pay money to get my mitts on it. I bet they could even break it down by regional representation.

The next best thing – http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/40

To equate it with population fluctuations, you of course have to assume that PPT reflects the relative WvW populations at any particular point. With that in mind, I think it shows time zone trends reasonably well.

To answer someone else’s question, YB does have a bigger weekend than working day presence. From my own observations, our WvW population also seems to drop when we are winning by a large margin. I know the only times I haven’t logged in are when we are well in the lead.

Thanks. I noticed the “monday” effect. And understand the taking a break when leading.

I would love it if skill/strategy played a large roll in matches outcomes…..unfortunately the game design heavily rewards population numbers and coverage. In the mid tiers it seems population dynamics are very different among servers and even within an individual server it varies greatly during various times of day, days of week and even during various score dynamics (i.e. taking a break on blowouts, fair-weathers etc) on the map.

Which all points to needing to get to a minimal critical mass of players and coverage in order to ensure more “competitive” scoring matches that are less impacted by pop dynamics.

It was a couple thousand and that’s significant lead for the first N/A prime-time session. Score update?

wombat.6123:

So we weren’t avoiding you, we were simply moving to where we were most productive. In fact, in EB we came directly to your side of the map — attacking Danelon, Langor, your keep, and Bravost. The main problem was your group of roving players (40 or so) was far larger than ours (15 or so), so we had to be tactical in what we attacked or defended.

That’s exactly what my guild did against years earlier than that yesterday, yet we were told our zerg was BL hoping running away from fights….is 8 people a zerg?

Well it seems that there are good players on both servers…and irrational arguments coming from both sides as well.

I can’t help but think the serenity prayer couldn’t help alleviate some of the tempers in this thread. Alcoholics or those raised by alcoholics may know of which I speak…

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change—-

(I.e. Other people’s coverage, population… and even sometimes exploits, spying or other things out of your control)

The courage to change the things I can,

(Like the outcome of an individual battle, the fate of that Yak heading to the besieged keep or the tower needing a desperate upgrade.)

And the wisdom to know the difference.

(Maybe you can’t influence how populations and coverage influence the match, but maybe you can impact your own server population in some way. Can you teach PvErs how to Dub bee Dub, can you make cool videos that attract people to your server, can you recruit in other social mediums? Etc. Etc. )

Haldunius.7864:

It was a couple thousand and that’s significant lead for the first N/A prime-time session. Score update?

Can I just re-affirm that having spent the whole last two days speaking to off-peak guilds on FA. There have been 0 significant transfers into the server since the arrival of the Japanese guild posted openly on the forums.

No EU guilds have transferred across during this game. We will in the near future however.

As for people suggesting people dislike Yaks Bend. With the exception of a limited number of players who have been less than polite and have let their server down with petty attitude over issues they have no grasp over I’ve found Yaks players to have a great attitude towards WvW, a healthy respect for good competition and a bloody good resolve whilst fighting on the ground.

I’ve also been contacted by guild leaders from Yaks Bend, offering us a place to go should FA not be what we are looking for. This is gratefully received and all of the above mark Yaks Bend as a worthy adversary for any server.

@ Arcadio. Thank you sir.