Guild Wars 2

So far looks like similar score from last week.

Ehmry: 23,064
Northern Shiverpeaks: 11,272
Sorrow’s Furnace: 8,945

And just like last week, Ehmry seems to have been able to hold on overnight. We’ll see if the pattern also holds true that NSP logs on this morning and sweeps the map until late morning when other people start getting back online.

The gap to Sorrow’s is a bit less than last week so hopefully they decide to stay in the fight.

:\ can’t wait to get back into port next thursday to transfer me and some friends over to sorrows. hold out SF!! >:O make them pay for every inch!

@Os guild: thanks for helping us take Redbriar from EB.

(from previous thread)

And great, is it gang up on SF week again?
Seriously. Pick on someone else.

I usually just attribute what seems to be cooperation between servers against the underdog to be just a combination of luck, disorganization, and the like. However last night myself and my guild had seen many cases of small groups of Ehrmy directly assisting NSP in Sorrows Borderland.

One case was an Ehrmy guy participating in an NSP attack on a Sorrows held supply camp, where he was trying to pick off the siege that was keeping NSP back from the camp (5 and siege Sorrows vs 15-25 NSP). Another case was an attack against an NSP held tower where a few Ehrmy players were taking out Sorrows siege weapons. And the last case I witnessed was in Sorrows borderland when Ehrmy was cutting supply from DB so that NSP could more easily take the keep.

In each of these cases Ehrmy would have benefited more from Sorrows (the underdog) holding those points denying them from NSP, until Ehrmy’s attention could be focused on taking those points at a later time.

My guild’s assumptions on these Ehrmy actions was that either they were done by NSP spy accounts, therefore their only goal is to help NSP, or simply done by people who either have no idea what the bigger picture is of their actions, or just don’t care about what results their actions will bring.

Also, already I’m seeing plenty of alt-f4ing from Ehrmy players. I am not generalizing or anything, but just informing you guys that you have loose cannons about that aren’t really helping your WvW effort, and as for all the alt-f4ing when downed guys, maybe a bit of shaming in /team might be an order (just like the shaming that is given out to people that take supplies out of keeps/towers that need it).

Surbrus, help me understand something. When someone alt-f4s after being downed, it immediately logs their toon out and avoids a finisher? If so, that is of even more benefit to the winner of that fight, since the defeated is not only removed from the immediate battle, but now has to log in, port to WvW, and walk back to anywhere relevant. I see this as a non issue, since it only hurts those without greater scope of their actions.

As far as the few cases you may have seen of cooperation between NSP and EB, I wouldn’t attribute something to malice that can easier be explained by ignorance. It probably is just a few people who aren’t actually playing with the larger group, and are just killing easy targets or random targets.

Its closer than expected atm score wise w/ EB holding a few points more ever scoring. Think it was 255 EB 220 for NSP and SF a piece.

Now the score has EB up by 2x the amount of points though.

Surbrus.6942:

(from previous thread)

And great, is it gang up on SF week again?
Seriously. Pick on someone else.

I usually just attribute what seems to be cooperation between servers against the underdog to be just a combination of luck, disorganization, and the like. However last night myself and my guild had seen many cases of small groups of Ehrmy directly assisting NSP in Sorrows Borderland.

One case was an Ehrmy guy participating in an NSP attack on a Sorrows held supply camp, where he was trying to pick off the siege that was keeping NSP back from the camp (5 and siege Sorrows vs 15-25 NSP). Another case was an attack against an NSP held tower where a few Ehrmy players were taking out Sorrows siege weapons. And the last case I witnessed was in Sorrows borderland when Ehrmy was cutting supply from DB so that NSP could more easily take the keep.

In each of these cases Ehrmy would have benefited more from Sorrows (the underdog) holding those points denying them from NSP, until Ehrmy’s attention could be focused on taking those points at a later time.

My guild’s assumptions on these Ehrmy actions was that either they were done by NSP spy accounts, therefore their only goal is to help NSP, or simply done by people who either have no idea what the bigger picture is of their actions, or just don’t care about what results their actions will bring.

Also, already I’m seeing plenty of alt-f4ing from Ehrmy players. I am not generalizing or anything, but just informing you guys that you have loose cannons about that aren’t really helping your WvW effort, and as for all the alt-f4ing when downed guys, maybe a bit of shaming in /team might be an order (just like the shaming that is given out to people that take supplies out of keeps/towers that need it).

You caught us! Most of the NSP WvWer’s are actually surplus from EB. The ploy here is to alternate who would wear EB’s tag each week and the “surplus” would go to one of the opposing server and help EB win each week. This way we prevent the server’s true player from playing and if they manage to get in we disrupt their strategy easily by making random calls to confuse people. There’s pretty much nothing you can do about it, better go tell your server to just quit trying and PvE.

The ganging up on SF can easily be attributed to the fact once we’re outmanned our positions are the paths of least resistance. Why waste time taking EB stuff when SF drops in half the time.

Also alt-f4ing may be more detrimental for the attacking team, but sure sucks when you’re trying to collect badges.

I’m on NSP and personally have not seen us ganging on SF at all with ehmry. Everytime
I get on just about my sole purpose it to take and kill as much of ehmry as possible considering they won last week and are currently winning again. If anything I’ve seen and said for all of us unless absolutely necessary to avoid hitting SF controlled land and focus fully on ehmry…just my observation may be different in other times
Or BLs I’m not usually in

Most of the times people think others are teaming up on them are just smart moves by the other team.

Setting: I have 6 people, NSP is in a tower with 10, SF is outside with 15 sieging it.

Question: When I walk up to that battle who is the more vulnerable target?
Answer: The distracted SF fighters.
Question: What poses the most danger to me personally?
Answer: Siege.
Question: Which side do I want to win?
Answer: Mine.
Question: In an attacker/defender siege situation I happen upon, which enemy do I want to win?
Experienced Answer: The side that will benefit my server the most by acting as either a buffer or being an easy take when the other side is dealt with. Thank you for burning their supplies either way, we like to keep em weaker!!
Average Player Answer: I don’t care I’m just here to get the easiest kills available.

This is an example of the complexity of decisions in just one small situation in WvW where you are indeed NOT teaming up, merely holding YOUR SERVER as the most important. Notice the difference between the experienced answer and the average answer, but the result is the same: there are no favorites….just whoever benefits us most atm or whoever is easiest to kill.

There are rare exceptions to this, but there are exceptions to EVERYTHING.

From Ehmry Bay

“The view up here looks pretty good, no complaints…”

O wait, were winning

Most of our fighting against SF in EB is a result of their CONSTANT attacks. So we push back.

Like last night where SF let EB walk all over them for 4 hours while they dedicated 70% of their resources to constantly wearing down SM, only to break through one final time and let EB walk in and take it. SF is unwittingly EB’s best resource.

And right now again SF has big Zerg in NSP borderland instead of trying to retake more of there own from ehmry…yea there the ones being double teamed

Oh the same match up?..guess I’ll wvw next week

Any update on scores?

Yes and at the same time EB seems to have enough people to just sit and watch towers all night.

Crappy players or no, that presense is way too much for whatever SF can do about it.

Still unfair.

Wah.

And now NSP sitting at jumping puzzle too? Just sitting there, killing everyone. At 3:40 in the morning.

Does anyone here freaking sleep? Is there a single time of day I can get ANYTHING done?

Or just screw it, transfer servers, and then whine on your map channel all day?

Well EB you’re welcome I just killed those bots sitting in your lake.

That’s the curse of the winning server, all the bots transfer to you and take up wvw spots. We report and report.. but it doesn’t seem to do much.

AsteriskCGY.5931:

And now NSP sitting at jumping puzzle too? Just sitting there, killing everyone. At 3:40 in the morning.

Does anyone here freaking sleep? Is there a single time of day I can get ANYTHING done?

Or just screw it, transfer servers, and then whine on your map channel all day?

Seriously, you need to transfer servers as SF is clearly not providing what you need. We have never had an off hour population, ever, so if you need that, then I strongly recommend find a server that does.

Puzzles get camped, it happens, we do it to.

There is no double team, it just works out that way some times.

People alt-f4, they still lost the fight so they can enjoy loading two zones to get back. Until it is fixed, there will always be someone that feels a need to exploit, why worry about it.

Did I address all of your recent posts? Can you dry the tears up and just enjoy the game, transfer to where you can enjoy the game, or at the very least sit in a corner and cry quietly to yourself?

Plutonium.1308:

That’s the curse of the winning server, all the bots transfer to you and take up wvw spots. We report and report.. but it doesn’t seem to do much.

There are a lot less bots this last week then before, so I would guess that either our pairing isn’t worth their time, or Anet banned a bunch.

Well on behalf of SF, we try to do our best to keep the fight fun, but the truth is, we don’t have enough people to keep up.
Even when our prime time group logs in, we fight with everything we got to recover some ground, but when the night advance and it’s time to get some sleep, the other two servers steam roll us an there’s nothing we can do about that.

Maybe in the future we will a major challenge, but for now, we still need a lot of time to organize our players and our guilds in the server….

Brutality.3540:

I’m very pleased by SF’s performance yesterday.

I went to the home borderland for awhile and highlighted why I cannot ever be a commander. The overwhelming desire to drive to everyone’s home and strangle them for not paying attention or listening would be too much for me to handle.

Not sure why, but our home borderland seems to have the most clueless, slow moving, chat ignoring people on our server. SF isn’t often a tactical war machine, but the other zones are never nearly as bad as our home borderland . Average response to enemy at the gates within the time it took to take the objective, maybe 5. After awhile I just have to leave them to it.

To command there you need to be very stoic or use drugs liberally, imo.

Niim.9260:

Seriously, you need to transfer servers as SF is clearly not providing what you need. We have never had an off hour population, ever, so if you need that, then I strongly recommend find a server that does.

Puzzles get camped, it happens, we do it to.

There is no double team, it just works out that way some times.

People alt-f4, they still lost the fight so they can enjoy loading two zones to get back. Until it is fixed, there will always be someone that feels a need to exploit, why worry about it.

Did I address all of your recent posts? Can you dry the tears up and just enjoy the game, transfer to where you can enjoy the game, or at the very least sit in a corner and cry quietly to yourself?

Yea, friends are still on this world, course they’ve been awol for the last few weeks to Borderlands 2. Highest one of them has is a 57.

And in all honesty I’m gone once I get the Gift of Battle. And then back whenever monthlies turn over.

And I’m a bit lazy to have to find one that works, then having to readjust.

And I’m voicing an opinion, so no keeping this to myself.

AsteriskCGY, you should understand that no one who cares about actual wvw gives 2 kittens about the status of jumping puzzles.

I care about jumping puzzles.. some of the most fun small group fights happen in there.

BTW if anyone on Ehmry sees a Purg member not fighting enemies in the jumping puzzle.. please report them to a guild officer.

Niim.9260:

Brutality.3540:

I’m very pleased by SF’s performance yesterday.

I went to the home borderland for awhile and highlighted why I cannot ever be a commander. The overwhelming desire to drive to everyone’s home and strangle them for not paying attention or listening would be too much for me to handle.

Not sure why, but our home borderland seems to have the most clueless, slow moving, chat ignoring people on our server. SF isn’t often a tactical war machine, but the other zones are never nearly as bad as our home borderland . Average response to enemy at the gates within the time it took to take the objective, maybe 5. After awhile I just have to leave them to it.

To command there you need to be very stoic or use drugs liberally, imo.

This is undoubtedly true for some reason. It surprises me because I would suspect that EB, having mokittengets of opportunity would result in a more zombie-like mentality. It’s the opposite. People go where they need to go to. I think its one of the reasons we’re still holding our keep.

Radiodread.8469:

AsteriskCGY, you should understand that no one who cares about actual wvw gives 2 kittens about the status of jumping puzzles.

Yea I know.

Its still a statement. And I’m still going to say it.

And we’ll all have to deal with it.

Sf is getting better we still lack the night population but we will work on the problem the latin guilds and our american guilds are starting to work togheter and our general populace is learning the ropes of wvw, many new commanders, many ppl with the nice spirit and a a bright future for our server. For being a pve server we sure have alot of potential for wvw, and now you can see it. as we are giving a fight to ehmry. as a exehmry player is nice to see you guys getting stronger and will wish you luck for when you move to a higher bracket we will just become stronger and hope we could invite some eu spanish guilds or any eu guilds for our night time some of our american guilds give the fight for the night but well. we held sm castle all the day until nighttime and it was fun kudos to all in this great battle, and just to state something there isnt really any team up in the servers, all attack what they can. sometimes smarts moves sometimes not. but still avery fun week and now wihtout orbs our server give a better fight.

Suralin.3947:

I went to the home borderland for awhile and highlighted why I cannot ever be a commander. The overwhelming desire to drive to everyone’s home and strangle them for not paying attention or listening would be too much for me to handle.

Not sure why, but our home borderland seems to have the most clueless, slow moving, chat ignoring people on our server. SF isn’t often a tactical war machine, but the other zones are never nearly as bad as our home borderland . Average response to enemy at the gates within the time it took to take the objective, maybe 5. After awhile I just have to leave them to it.

To command there you need to be very stoic or use drugs liberally, imo.

This is undoubtedly true for some reason. It surprises me because I would suspect that EB, having mokittengets of opportunity would result in a more zombie-like mentality. It’s the opposite. People go where they need to go to. I think its one of the reasons we’re still holding our keep.[/quote]

It’s the result of the hard work of several good commanders. If you have learned your zergonomics and understand how zergs work you can guide a zerg fairly easily. Once you feed them some tasty success they develop loyalty and stoicism and will now stay committed to you through the occassional defeat. This is also known as reputation.

The big problem that makes you want to drive somewhere and strangle someone is bad commanders. Zergs can be guided, bad commanders think they know what they are doing or worse, just don’t care. Their actions undermine the good commanders and their entire server. These are the same commanders that commit to impossible fights and overextend on a regular basis.

Sometimes good commanders have no choice but to join them because they divide forces enough to invalidate any other approach at times.

On a different note:

I’ve noticed an interesting trend. I’m seeing alot more thieves from Northern Shiverpeaks than I have seen in both former matches combined. Was particularly amused when I saw the guild Fine using thief/guardian raiding groups for dolyaks and camps.

Thieves to do the spike damage to folks from invisibility and guardians for CC and to rez the thieves should they ever fall. This of course also allows them to safely slap dolyaks and I’ve seen a thief kill a dolyak in the middle of 8 guards and 2 players. The guards never stayed aggrod long enough to do anything with the constant stealthing.

While effective enough, I can’t say I respect those exploiting the current broken thief stealth mechanics to their limits.

Just wanna say absolutely amazing job last night to NSP, we really pulled back in eternal and made huge pushes, especially the famed hour long plus defense of denons passage from ehmry! Great fun and fantastic teamwork to all

NSP makes me wonder who their commanders are. In the morning, NSP does a fantastic job taking whole areas of Eternal, but later in the day, when EB finally wakes up to start conquering again, NSP’s sights are set on SF.

For instance, yesterday when SF took Stonemist, NSP kept charging into the castle, ignoring any possible gain in EB territory. And while SF was trying to fend off the Stonemist assaults, they were also trying to fend off EB’s assaults on Pangloss, Ogrewatch, and Veloka. Kudos to EB for realizing that Stonemist isn’t that huge of a gain in the short term, but I couldn’t understand NSP’s mentality. It would have been very beneficial to both SF and NSP if EB lost more points. We at SF know we can’t hold our gains overnight, but that doesn’t stop us from trying to close the gap (and apparently holding the Stonemist through 10 hours worth of assaults).

The few SR members (And I say few because most SR players are pretty awesome) yelling about NSP focusing on them are just being ignorant. NSP in no way is trying to assist EB. That would just be plain stupid.

Plenty of times when we are trying to go north in EB BL, SR hits us from behind. We push them back over the bridge, avoid hitting their tower in hopes to make it clear we do not want to focus south, yet they will hit us again shortly after. Even with that, you do not see us coming on here yelling about Team Ups. NSP have our eye on getting more points than EB. That is the simple truth. If you are seeing some isolated indecent, please note it as such; same has Hackers, Botters or Exploiters. If there was some grand plan to pick on the SR, I am sure the evidence would be a lot more transparent.

So please stop the raging conspiracy theory silliness and go have fun!

Our early morning presence of 10 players were wiped out by the overwhelming strategic minds of Northern Shiverpeak’s commanders who made plans to turn on their alarm clocks weeks ahead of time. In other news, Ehmry will be taking back 50% of the map for the next 18 hours until they feel it’s safe to come out and duel our gates again.

P.S. Nice trebs by the way.

Jamaz.9837:

Our early morning presence of 10 players were wiped out by the overwhelming strategic minds of Northern Shiverpeak’s commanders who made plans to turn on their alarm clocks weeks ahead of time. In other news, Ehmry will be taking back 50% of the map for the next 18 hours until they feel it’s safe to come out and duel our gates again.

P.S. Nice trebs by the way.

10 players huh?
We out number you, we are bullies. You out number us and its skill. Got it. Tnx.

Raific.4652:

10 players huh?
We out number you, we are bullies. You out number us and its skill. Got it. Tnx.

Yup, all point of view.

Raific.4652:

We out number you, we are bullies. You out number us and its skill. Got it. Tnx.

You’d be surprised how rarely we actually significantly outnumber you.

SF obviously can’t compete with EB or NSP, that’s why they’re constantly sitting in jump puzzles griefing people. Just let them get crushed so they drop down a tier. Putting them against better servers every week does nothing for anyone.

Keep up the good work SF, you are breaking the morale of people like that poster above which is what any respectable puzzle camper should do. I recommend superior arrow carts at the arena and perhaps an alpha siege golem for that extra troll; the little bit of effort goes a long way for making people cry about free blue prints that can be farmed in 5 minutes.

Errant Venture.9371:

SF obviously can’t compete with EB or NSP, that’s why they’re constantly sitting in jump puzzles griefing people. Just let them get crushed so they drop down a tier. Putting them against better servers every week does nothing for anyone.

Yes, we’re obviously camping it because we can’t do anything else. /s No, we’re camping it because we can. Just like EB and NSP try to do. We might not have the population that can maintain a presence during our off time like NSP and EB, but we do have a more than capable server.

That being said, when we learned of a player switching from NSP to SF because he was so frustrated that we controlled the jumping puzzle over the weekend, that kinda solidified our commitment. So, please continue to be frustrated. We could use NSP’s off-time players to conquer stuff. ;-)

It seems red stands for underdog team green is the most like to win and i guess blue is the in-between. So most like green wins though blue can win red most often will not win. SF is out number at all times on all maps last week why would it be any different this week i hate rematch its a waist of a week in wvw.

Jski.6180:

It seems red stands for underdog team green is the most like to win and i guess blue is the in-between. So most like green wins though blue can win red most often will not win. SF is out number at all times on all maps last week why would it be any different this week i hate rematch its a waist of a week in wvw.

The color is for position in points/rank.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Green = First
Blue = Second
Red = Third

Northern Shiverpeaks, I just wanted to let you know.. we are doing our best to help you get rid of those whiny emos from your server.. http://www.gw2nsp.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uKN64FZJSt0

NSP is putting up a good fight, but EB is once again proving good leadership > zerg

Daedalus.3954:

Jski.6180:

It seems red stands for underdog team green is the most like to win and i guess blue is the in-between. So most like green wins though blue can win red most often will not win. SF is out number at all times on all maps last week why would it be any different this week i hate rematch its a waist of a week in wvw.

The color is for position in points/rank.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Green = First
Blue = Second
Red = Third

Ok thank you for the info.

Good fight guys, many golems lost their lives tonight!

I just wanted to drop by and say that I am very disappointed in SF not because we are losing but because some individuals are quick on blaming our shortcomings on my guild. We are the seemingly the last large WvW guild on the server and it is discouraging to us that we are not appreciated on our server despite all of our efforts. I spend almost all of my game time in WvW and struggle to stay above 10s because I drain everything that i have into WvW and I have a large group of guildies that do the same. I hope people realize that we are not the reason we are losing.

Aside that I had some good times in SF border before Emhry nutted up and stomped all the maps, Good stuff guys it shows that you have WAY more coordination and a better synergy between your guilds.

arminius.5270:

NSP is putting up a good fight, but EB is once again proving good leadership > zerg

You guys are the zerg…

Cain.9724:

Northern Shiverpeaks, I just wanted to let you know.. we are doing our best to help you get rid of those whiny emos from your server.. http://www.gw2nsp.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uKN64FZJSt0

That gw2nsp link made me “lol”
Could you explain that? I don’t understand, but they seem pretty upset about whatever happened lol.