Guild Wars 2

I don’t understand why that’s an exploit. Spawn areas give invulnerable buff to prevent spawn camping. He simply retreated back to his spawn area because he was outnumbered and had no fighting chance. Is retreating an exploit? If someone ran back to the legendary defender and it killed you, is that considered an exploit too?

BAEK.8561:

I don’t understand why that’s an exploit. Spawn areas give invulnerable buff to prevent spawn camping. He simply retreated back to his spawn area because he was outnumbered and had no fighting chance. Is retreating an exploit? If someone ran back to the legendary defender and it killed you, is that considered an exploit too?

Yes, playing smart is an exploit. Ban all players who use their brains.

I’ve used that spot many times when I was trying to take back the camp and SoR showed up with 30 people. Me and a friend even lured 5 or so of you up there and laughed while you still tried to hit us. If anything, the only thing I exploited is how persistent/ignorant you guys can be.

ComeAndSee.1356:

SoS looks like its going to be bumped up to Tier 1 next week.

I am kinda curious how SoS does in tier one and we need some new blood in both tiers anyway so I hope this happens. WvW has become stale.

I believe the idea is for the player to be invulnerable on top, and vulnerable on the bottom. There is one area on the bottom where players gain invulnerability. If you hug any other part of that hill, you are vulnerable and can take damage.

The reason being invulnerable on top is not an exploit is because it was programmed and intended so. I do not believe it was intended for a player to be invulnerable on the bottom. Hence the exploit is luring players and flocking to that spot to gain an advantage only you as a owner of that spawn can gain since it seeps over from the top.

That is why it is an exploit.

While I do blame people who use the exploit for their part in responsibility, I can never give full responsibility of the blame to just “players” because the exploit exists for everyone who owns that spawn use and abuse. The arbitration behind such exploits annoy me since some will be judged positively and others negatively for committing the same action. Which is neither civil, or fair to all parties involved regardless the language, culture or nationality we stake ourselves in.

Finally, I do at least get the credit that I came to these forums, posted a screenshot. Described the screenshot. Had the player who also fought the mesmer alongside with me. I didn’t come here throwing some hissy-fit screaming “oh that player is a cheat, blah blah blah”

GW2 is very young game and there are going to be bugs and exploits everywhere. The more players use and abuse exploits, the greater the attention fixing those get. That is how it works in computer sciences apart from the real world.

Thank you for everything everyone.

Setsunayaki.4907:

I believe the idea is for the player to be invulnerable on top, and vulnerable on the bottom. There is one area on the bottom where players gain invulnerability. If you hug any other part of that hill, you are vulnerable and can take damage.

The reason being invulnerable on top is not an exploit is because it was programmed and intended so. I do not believe it was intended for a player to be invulnerable on the bottom. Hence the exploit is luring players and flocking to that spot to gain an advantage only you as a owner of that spawn can gain since it seeps over from the top.

That is why it is an exploit.

While I do blame people who use the exploit for their part in responsibility, I can never give full responsibility of the blame to just “players” because the exploit exists for everyone who owns that spawn use and abuse. The arbitration behind such exploits annoy me since some will be judged positively and others negatively for committing the same action. Which is neither civil, or fair to all parties involved regardless the language, culture or nationality we stake ourselves in.

Finally, I do at least get the credit that I came to these forums, posted a screenshot. Described the screenshot. Had the player who also fought the mesmer alongside with me. I didn’t come here throwing some hissy-fit screaming “oh that player is a cheat, blah blah blah”

GW2 is very young game and there are going to be bugs and exploits everywhere. The more players use and abuse exploits, the greater the attention fixing those get. That is how it works in computer sciences apart from the real world.

Thank you for everything everyone.

I do understand your point, but the whole thing about “being on top” or “being on bottom” seems a bit too technical. What about the front entrance where there is no “top” or “bottom” and is just a flat surface? The way I see it is that the invulnerability buff is given based on a player’s proximity to his spawn point, not based on what terrain he’s on. You basically chased him way too close to his spawn point, and that’s why he was given the invul buff. I don’t think that’s considered an exploit.

I consider that spot an exploit when used intentionally like that. If you are fighting at any other camp and a zerg comes in you are dead. Why should that camp be special. Once you drop down you are fair game, just like for lodge or vale, there is no getting back up so why should you be able to stay invulnerable once you make the decision to go down the cliff. To equate it to running back into your spawn like the main entrance doesnt even make sense since no other exit allows you to do that other than your main. And also the main entrance does not lead to an easy backdoor to a camp like the side exits do.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/gw010tx.jpg/

Let’s all stop complaining about invulnerable spots now lol

Cat Amiss.9463:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/gw010tx.jpg/

Let’s all stop complaining about invulnerable spots now lol

hahahah…good call

Setsunayaki.4907:

I am going to ask players in Sanctum of Rall to not exploit the game. Here is my evidence of the matter.

http://www.smashmybrain.com/ss/gw514.jpg

We were battling a Mesmer in Lowlands who took advantage of finding a spot at the bottom of the cliff that made him invulnerable. Eventually we killed the mesmer but it took some work because each time his health was low, he retreated to the same spot to make himself invulnerable while spamming his skills.

Shame on you! You knew this would happen and you took advantage of the matter. You would have killed us both if I wasn’t playing full healing/support.

Using spawn protection is not an exploit. It is the same as if someone were to run out of the main spawn entrance and then run back in. Nobody whines “exploit” about that. Do you know why? Because it is not one.

Epic Battle at Garrison IoJ!! That was a load of fun!! Got my kitten blown up a few times. =D

See you again <3

Sweetevil.9208:

Epic Battle at Garrison IoJ!! That was a load of fun!! Got my kitten blown up a few times. =D

See you again <3

IoJ here! That was super epic. You guys were quite stingy on defense heh. We tried almost everything :I

You did, but you guys ended up taking us over. Our defense was good, but you folks never gave up!! I mean holy smokes!! On top of that you capped the top half while attacking Garrison. Impressive IoJ, great strategy.
Just a little screenshot I was able to take in between dodging massive AoE attacks and fighting for my life lol
That was really really fun. I hope to do it again soon!!
Respect to the IoJ attackers!! <3

Score update ? I’m stuck at work qq

Here you go!!! You missed tonnes of fun on IoJ BL

Lol, I was in Eternal from 2pm EST until 1045pm EST before I had to leave for work. Was having an absolute blast defending SM castle from SoS nonstop!

I know this is feeling that SOR is not used to

Shinji.2063:

I know this is feeling that SOR is not used to

If they cant exit the other 2 way’s then their fault.

Nice fight in SOR BL, thanks SoS!

SoS, pick your game up! We want you in T1!

Do you guys really need to camp our EB spawn with siege up to the invulnerability line and 5:1 odds? Are you allowed to do it? Yes. Does it also make you all look like poor sport lamers? Yes.

I thought the idea of these threads was to discuss the weekly match ups not qq about stupid things like the difficulty in zerging a single player. While I hate to have to do so, I must congratulate SOR for totally dominating for many hours yesterday and blowing passed IOJ. What I found odd, was the enormous number of IOJ folks standing around Lions Arch complaining about WvW and not actually participating. Good job SOR. You earned this post.

Okay, who’s the bunker elementalist from SoS? Norn, looks like the Citadel of Flame set. He participated in the large attack on Stonemist Castle last night while we (SoR) held on for dear life.

This guy is unkillable. All he does is run around in the front lines absorbing huge amounts of damage, and everyone (including me) falls for it and focuses him. Also he gains boons constantly. At one point he gained like 6 including stability, I corrupted them all into conditions, then 3 seconds later he has 4 more. We managed to kill him once in like an hour, crazy stuff.

Whoever you are, my hat is off to you, sir. Keep on keepin’ on.

Does SoR still have the castle? I went to bed before the siege ended.

I think it shows us their armor dyed the color they are.
Once I died watching two enemy sides fight over a supply camp.
So I laid there continuing to watch and I started thinking – oh, they all dyed their armor blue, what a neat thing to do, then I notice the other side was red when it dawned on me that it wasn’t them doing it. There were too many for it to be planned.

I tried dying myself the color of the scenery to try to blend better but I think at the end of the day the game makes your gear your team color visibly for the other side.

Shinji.2063:

I know this is feeling that SOR is not used to

Oh buddy, tell the whole story! Let everyone know that it took 50 of you to take a tower and a keep from 12 defenders, let them know it took an hour and a half, let them know it took 6 trebs(2 died), 2 rams(well 4 we killed the first 2) 3 catapults(put into mortar range, they didn’t last long). SoR it was an epic defense all 12 of us. IoJ you guys must be pretty scary at night, SoS didn’t even turn their heads to the north in EB.

SOR was doing very good last night @ 5 PM EST. They were up +450 and controlled 2 maps.

lettucemode.3789:

Okay, who’s the bunker elementalist from SoS? Norn, looks like the Citadel of Flame set. He participated in the large attack on Stonemist Castle last night while we (SoR) held on for dear life.

This guy is unkillable. All he does is run around in the front lines absorbing huge amounts of damage, and everyone (including me) falls for it and focuses him. Also he gains boons constantly. At one point he gained like 6 including stability, I corrupted them all into conditions, then 3 seconds later he has 4 more. We managed to kill him once in like an hour, crazy stuff.

Whoever you are, my hat is off to you, sir. Keep on keepin’ on.

Does SoR still have the castle? I went to bed before the siege ended.

That would be Papaj.

AIMonster.8236:

lettucemode.3789:

Okay, who’s the bunker elementalist from SoS? Norn, looks like the Citadel of Flame set. He participated in the large attack on Stonemist Castle last night while we (SoR) held on for dear life.

This guy is unkillable. All he does is run around in the front lines absorbing huge amounts of damage, and everyone (including me) falls for it and focuses him. Also he gains boons constantly. At one point he gained like 6 including stability, I corrupted them all into conditions, then 3 seconds later he has 4 more. We managed to kill him once in like an hour, crazy stuff.

Whoever you are, my hat is off to you, sir. Keep on keepin’ on.

Does SoR still have the castle? I went to bed before the siege ended.

That would be Papaj.

He enjoys making fun of all the horrible dagger Ele’s, while he destroys everyone with a staff and tanks mobs of people.

Is anyone else on SoS kinda worried about our push into tier 1 most likely coming right alongside a semi major PVE update, based around the crucial time of the weekend.

I mean the halloween one nearly cost SoS the match :P

anyways awesome fights so far IoJ and SoR, have never come in to WvW and not got an awesome fight from both of you. has been a pleasure.

I honestly don’t think SoS has the numbers right now to fight in tier 1. The servers “full” but we have 2 maps that are hit or miss on how many players are in it plus the one PRX roams on is always instant queue. EB is the only one with any queue.

Azariah.8420:

Is anyone else on SoS kinda worried about our push into tier 1 most likely coming right alongside a semi major PVE update, based around the crucial time of the weekend.

I think that applies to everyone involved in the match. Thing is, aside from pride, you get nothing for winning, and aside from a bruised ego, you’re not penalized for losing. If the event distracts us as a server to the point that we get steamrolled, there’s always next week.

I love winning and all, but when there’s no reward or incentive other than high-fiving other people, it’s whatever.

lettucemode.3789:

Okay, who’s the bunker elementalist from SoS? Norn, looks like the Citadel of Flame set. He participated in the large attack on Stonemist Castle last night while we (SoR) held on for dear life.

This guy is unkillable. All he does is run around in the front lines absorbing huge amounts of damage, and everyone (including me) falls for it and focuses him. Also he gains boons constantly. At one point he gained like 6 including stability, I corrupted them all into conditions, then 3 seconds later he has 4 more. We managed to kill him once in like an hour, crazy stuff.

Whoever you are, my hat is off to you, sir. Keep on keepin’ on.

Does SoR still have the castle? I went to bed before the siege ended.

His name is papaj, and I’m sure he will be thrilled to reply when I mention your post. haha

Edit: crap, i didnt even notice i was too late in replying.

celeron.3469:

lettucemode.3789:

Okay, who’s the bunker elementalist from SoS? Norn, looks like the Citadel of Flame set. He participated in the large attack on Stonemist Castle last night while we (SoR) held on for dear life.

This guy is unkillable. All he does is run around in the front lines absorbing huge amounts of damage, and everyone (including me) falls for it and focuses him. Also he gains boons constantly. At one point he gained like 6 including stability, I corrupted them all into conditions, then 3 seconds later he has 4 more. We managed to kill him once in like an hour, crazy stuff.

Whoever you are, my hat is off to you, sir. Keep on keepin’ on.

Does SoR still have the castle? I went to bed before the siege ended.

His name is papaj, and I’m sure he will be thrilled to reply when I mention your post. haha

Edit: crap, i didnt even notice i was too late in replying.

If it is the same norn ele that I am thinking of, then he is a beast. My guild-mates and I have encountered him on the battlefield a few times. Always good, tough fights.

Could someone post a score update, please? I’m sitting at work, dying to get back into the fight, and the score at http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA is five hours old.

Thanks!

Ashlov.3819:

I think that applies to everyone involved in the match. Thing is, aside from pride, you get nothing for winning, and aside from a bruised ego, you’re not penalized for losing. If the event distracts us as a server to the point that we get steamrolled, there’s always next week.

Well, SBI and JQ have been in t1 for awhile so not quite the same for them.

As for what you get from the match I could care less that we dont get a reward beyond pride, pride is enough for me, assuming that the fight to get there was enjoyable. and i dont doubt that SBI and JQ will provide more than enough opportunites for enjoyable fights

T2 has shown itself to be more than enough fun, so t2 or t1 im happy, but i still want to win

oh and

Sea of Sorrows 193 235 +350
Sanctum of Rall 123 135 +290
Isle of Janthir 113 204 +55

Azaruil.3406:

lettucemode.3789:

Okay, who’s the bunker elementalist from SoS? Norn, looks like the Citadel of Flame set. He participated in the large attack on Stonemist Castle last night while we (SoR) held on for dear life.

This guy is unkillable. All he does is run around in the front lines absorbing huge amounts of damage, and everyone (including me) falls for it and focuses him. Also he gains boons constantly. At one point he gained like 6 including stability, I corrupted them all into conditions, then 3 seconds later he has 4 more. We managed to kill him once in like an hour, crazy stuff.

Whoever you are, my hat is off to you, sir. Keep on keepin’ on.

Does SoR still have the castle? I went to bed before the siege ended.

If it is the same norn ele that I am thinking of, then he is a beast. My guild-mates and I have encountered him on the battlefield a few times. Always good, tough fights.

As mentioned previously by several of my guildmates, that crazy near un-killable bunker Elementalist would be me. Fortunately for you folk, you don’t have to see me tonight because this fantastic game bugged on me late last night and kept locking up the client for 5 minutes at a time every skill cast; so now I’m in the midst of a fresh reinstall + CCleaner + Defraggler rundown to cover every basis.

Think of it this way, you folks on IoJ and SoR don’t have to see me again next week if you stop re-capping our stuff while our NA’s sleep =) If you keep forcing us to take back SM and the other maps, Blackgate might pick it up late week and you’ll be stuck with us yet again.

Looking forward to seeing SOS come over to T-1 next week.
Good luck guys.

Good game to all. It will be nice to have new faces and talent in T-1 next week. Congratulations on a hard fought campaign.

Papaj.9035:

Azaruil.3406:

lettucemode.3789:

Okay, who’s the bunker elementalist from SoS? Norn, looks like the Citadel of Flame set. He participated in the large attack on Stonemist Castle last night while we (SoR) held on for dear life.

This guy is unkillable. All he does is run around in the front lines absorbing huge amounts of damage, and everyone (including me) falls for it and focuses him. Also he gains boons constantly. At one point he gained like 6 including stability, I corrupted them all into conditions, then 3 seconds later he has 4 more. We managed to kill him once in like an hour, crazy stuff.

Whoever you are, my hat is off to you, sir. Keep on keepin’ on.

Does SoR still have the castle? I went to bed before the siege ended.

If it is the same norn ele that I am thinking of, then he is a beast. My guild-mates and I have encountered him on the battlefield a few times. Always good, tough fights.

As mentioned previously by several of my guildmates, that crazy near un-killable bunker Elementalist would be me. Fortunately for you folk, you don’t have to see me tonight because this fantastic game bugged on me late last night and kept locking up the client for 5 minutes at a time every skill cast; so now I’m in the midst of a fresh reinstall + CCleaner + Defraggler rundown to cover every basis.

Think of it this way, you folks on IoJ and SoR don’t have to see me again next week if you stop re-capping our stuff while our NA’s sleep =) If you keep forcing us to take back SM and the other maps, Blackgate might pick it up late week and you’ll be stuck with us yet again.

Would you mind sending me your build please? :0

kuora.5402:

Papaj.9035:

Azaruil.3406:

lettucemode.3789:

Okay, who’s the bunker elementalist from SoS? Norn, looks like the Citadel of Flame set. He participated in the large attack on Stonemist Castle last night while we (SoR) held on for dear life.

This guy is unkillable. All he does is run around in the front lines absorbing huge amounts of damage, and everyone (including me) falls for it and focuses him. Also he gains boons constantly. At one point he gained like 6 including stability, I corrupted them all into conditions, then 3 seconds later he has 4 more. We managed to kill him once in like an hour, crazy stuff.

Whoever you are, my hat is off to you, sir. Keep on keepin’ on.

Does SoR still have the castle? I went to bed before the siege ended.

If it is the same norn ele that I am thinking of, then he is a beast. My guild-mates and I have encountered him on the battlefield a few times. Always good, tough fights.

As mentioned previously by several of my guildmates, that crazy near un-killable bunker Elementalist would be me. Fortunately for you folk, you don’t have to see me tonight because this fantastic game bugged on me late last night and kept locking up the client for 5 minutes at a time every skill cast; so now I’m in the midst of a fresh reinstall + CCleaner + Defraggler rundown to cover every basis.

Think of it this way, you folks on IoJ and SoR don’t have to see me again next week if you stop re-capping our stuff while our NA’s sleep =) If you keep forcing us to take back SM and the other maps, Blackgate might pick it up late week and you’ll be stuck with us yet again.

Would you mind sending me your build please? :0

Same here. Would love to know your build Papaj. It sounds amazing. :O

Flawed Victory.4321:

Good ele but perhaps not a wise person?
Does sos need to be ‘pushed’ to t1? Do we have to ‘send’ sos to t1 just to avoid tough fight? Humiliating everyone here who tries to fight fair and square.

I meant it as a joke referencing the fact that it seemed like people were not happy about being baited into trying to kill me and having a worse batting average than your average baseball player. We (SoS) have already secured T1 placement it seems due to Blackgate losing steam in their matchup and since SoR is now seemingly permanently ahead in overall score over IoJ.

I personally have had a blast the past few weeks (though it did become more and more stale with each passing day) and I wish everybody well in next week’s matchup. My only regret is that this big tier shift for SoS is happening the week of a major content patch. At any rate I had fun and I even made some acquaintances amongst the enemy ranks by the looks of it.

However, one does not simply give out trade secrets; especially not ones as game breaking as my build is being made out to be. But I will tell you that it is lurking somewhere in the forums, undoubtedly being hidden by the constant onslaught of threads titled something along these lines “OMG DAGGER ELE 2 GUD.”

I’m still showing up when I can make the time. Had a great time last night as we stole two keeps in SoS border with a 5-man group while their zerg was on our borderland.

I’ve lost interest in WvW this week, can’t really put my finger on why, hopefully that changes next week. It’s nice to see were still having good back and forth fights though, be interesting to see what T1 is like, if I’m not in FoTM every minute I’m online. >.>

Elthurien.8356:

I’m still showing up when I can make the time. Had a great time last night as we stole two keeps in SoS border with a 5-man group while their zerg was on our borderland.

Get more time off from work for this coming match Elth!

Props to that mesmer on SoS from PRX that killed me 1v1 in IOJ borderlands when I chased him down lol. It was an awesome fight. Only second time I have ever died 1v1 verse anyone. The only other one was a warrior who 100 blade me in one second. I so wanted to fight you again but a whole zerg was right behind you :P

Toroth.1453:

I too am losing interest in wvw. I used to enjoy logging in to claim and upgrade towers but then 30-50 sos show up out of no where like a bunch of mongols. Sure we usually wipe them with far less numbers but they just keep coming back even while ioj is taking their camps from behind. the early morning hours are the only time I have time to log in and fighting oceanic servers has killed the experience for me.
We on SoR are NOT ready for tier 1 nor tier 2. Also, anyone else notice mara stopped playing soon as she/he was voted best gw2 commander? Kind of funny imo.

Personally , i like both SoS and IOJ. They fight well, think well and provide a challenge. SoS has better coverage over a wider time frame, it’s just the way it is. There are times when ioj and sor eat up the map, sos just does it more often and at the times when they get a lot of ticks before they lose thier gains.

I think Sor has given both servers a good fight, it just simply wasn’t enough for first.

So because someone doesn’t log on for a while that automatically makes them a bad commander.

Nice logic.

Kuthos.9623:

So because someone doesn’t log on for a while that automatically makes them a bad commander.

Nice logic.

Over a month makes them non-existent. Mara, Owl, and Mia are the only dedicated commanders I’ve encountered that actually spoke in /team to rally the troops. Losing just one of them crippled our chances of making tier 1.

Toroth.1453:

Kuthos.9623:

So because someone doesn’t log on for a while that automatically makes them a bad commander.

Nice logic.

Over a month makes them non-existent. Mara, Owl, and Mia are the only dedicated commanders I’ve encountered that actually spoke in /team to rally the troops. Losing just one of them crippled our chances of making tier 1.

So you’re blaming the chance of making tier 1 on ONE commander. What do you want them to do? Log in 24/7? You know people do have lives…..

By that statement you’re actually saying how good of a commander Mara is if it’s only possible to go to tier 1 with her there. It’s also kind of insulting to the other commanders who are still there.

I really don’t understand you’re logic, or why you think it’s “funny” or related to being voted a good commander and then “disappearing”. People stop playing for all kinds of reasons. You’re jumping at shadows.

What’s the big deal about tier 1 anyway? It’s pretty obvious rankings don’t mean a whole lot in this game since transferring is still done easily enough. So your bragging rights really don’t mean a whole lot in the end anyway.

I never said Mara was a bad commander so it appears you’re jumping at shadows. Also, how is it not funny? Mara beat gw2 so now what else is there for him to do in the game? lol
If you want to continue qq’ing about my qq go right ahead. However, if you’re trying to make the claim that we don’t need all of our top commanders to make tier 1 you’re a fool.

I’m saying you can’t saying you can’t base your chances of “moving up” or “winning” on one person. If a good commander leaves, someone else has to step up. If that’s the other commanders already there, or a new one whatever. You can’t blame someone for not logging in.

Toroth.1453:

Kuthos.9623:

So because someone doesn’t log on for a while that automatically makes them a bad commander.

Nice logic.

Over a month makes them non-existent. Mara, Owl, and Mia are the only dedicated commanders I’ve encountered that actually spoke in /team to rally the troops. Losing just one of them crippled our chances of making tier 1.

I could always start commanding again if I could find the time to log in for an extended period. I actually took a step back because Miasmic and Alpaca Owl were all we needed with the amount of people we have on for the night crew. We don’t have the night population for more than two commanders. If I started commanding again it would only split what little forces we have even more. That is the only reason I held back (that and my insane work schedule lately). That and I found a good group of like-minded crazy people to take on some of the smaller tactical challenges that are needed to support the main body.
I wont be here for restart this week as I have an award ceremony that I have to attend on Friday night, but I will definitely be around Saturday/Sunday. And If Miasmic or Alpaca ever need me to fill in for them I’m quite happy to oblige, I just haven’t seen the need because they are doing well.