Guild Wars 2

Pendragon.8735:

It didn’t really live up to the hype. And will probably be several more weeks before they find a challenge thanks to the shuffle. Also coming out of this result and with the new system, Mag is looking at -14 rank drop, is that the biggest in the history of the game so far?

Agreed, this week didn’t really play out as well as I had thought it would. Mag has amazing tactics and organization and do well, but they only show up for about three hours out if every 24. DB is much more consistent and their defense is really good.

I’ve appreciated the chance to learn from each server, and although we still have a ways to go yet, we’re making progress I think. Too bad the score reset is going to happen – I’ve found that as long as I ignore the forum trolling, this matchup has been pretty enjoyable for me.

Wanted to toss a specific howdy out to the folks from [iLL] – you guys were a real pain in the backside yesterday on KBL. Was really fun trying to nail you guys down, and made my day when I got to spike a few of you (after you had killed me at least half a dozen times – no chest thumping here, you guys work really well together). Appreciate the challenge.

@ Besetment: You took my baby while I was at school!? :c Kidnapper! >;o

Mag and DB are evenly matched. Mag has always been fun to fight and have some quality guilds and players. I love and hate fighting you guys lol. Mag def has Quality-Over-Quantity when it comes to their WvW population.

Kain has been fairly unimpressive so far. You can talk all you want about PPT and blah blah blah but the fact is you you outnumber Mag and DB heavily. That doesn’t merit all the smack talk and chest-thumping your forum warriors have been spewing ESPECIALLY from from members of a certain guild who we’ve fought in the past (Darkhaven). I can’t count how many times we’ve been outnumbered and wiped your guild group in the open field and during keep defense. When the numbers are even, forget about it, we roll over you with no problems at all. I know my guild has had no problems dealing with you. I suggest those certain people from that guild keep their mouths closed because you are far from the poster-boys of Kaineng.

Kaining has some decent talent and a monstrous Oceanic crew but it’s ultimately quantity-over-quality and I mean that as respectful constructive criticism. I understand many are still learning and I hope they get something out of this match-up.

When it’s all said and done, this match-up has been fun and i’ve had some really fun fights despite the population imbalances.

I don’t know why so many nonKorean Kaineng people are so boastful. There’s a running joke that Kaineng is “Carried by Koreans.”

Besetment.9187:

We took Bay but decided not to hold it. We had roughly 25 players.

The amount of siege inside was pretty brutal – 4 arrow carts, 2 ballistas, a treb, a cannon and a catapult at the outer breach. 8 to 10 arrow carts, 3 ballistas, a catapult and 2 trebs on inner (and we had to clear the cannons on outer where there was another ballista and an arrow cart on the pier gate).

You couldn’t really move anywhere because the ground was just covered in red circles. We had to counter treb both trebs, destroy every mortar in inner and outer then build a treb on the outer bridge to kill all the lord room siege.

I mean, we can fight open field against a siege advantage but not against that many ballistas and arrow carts. I hate playing that swirling winds treb game though…

I had been running supply for a pretty long time to build those up. I shuddered when I realized what I had done

13 golem for our garry

GJ Kaineng

kujalord.5849:

13 golem for our garry

GJ Kaineng

Hello! I’m sorta new the WvW thing and trying to really learn as much as I can this week. I noticed in the other threads what appeared to be sarcasm at golem tactics. What is wrong with doing it? Is it considered a cop out? What would you consider a better strategy if the golems look like they will work?

I think the players of Kain are happy that this week thus far has been a success. If the match up is not fair it is not our fault, nobody on Kain picked it and this reset made it worse because next weeks match up looks to be horrid.

After a few weeks I hope we are matched with a group of servers with equal numbers. Please try to be positive, most of us have no ill will towards any of you and just want to have a fun time.

Camora.4197:

kujalord.5849:

13 golem for our garry

GJ Kaineng

Hello! I’m sorta new the WvW thing and trying to really learn as much as I can this week. I noticed in the other threads what appeared to be sarcasm at golem tactics. What is wrong with doing it? Is it considered a cop out? What would you consider a better strategy if the golems look like they will work?

Golems are somewhat expensive and if not defended against quickly enough they are very effective. But numbers like 13 seem seriously excessive.

kujalord.5849:

13 golem for our garry

GJ Kaineng

But the dragonbrand golem rush against our garrison saturday was different i take it?

Ninein.4782:

I don’t know why so many nonKorean Kaineng people are so boastful. There’s a running joke that Kaineng is “Carried by Koreans.”

If I had realized their oceanic crew was korean, I might have transferred before the paid transfer started. I might still transfer just to have people to chat with in korean again.

zaniix.9074:

If the match up is not fair it is not our fault, nobody on Kain picked it

This only makes sense if you’ve been on the server since day 1.

ElDudemeister.5108:

Ninein.4782:

I don’t know why so many nonKorean Kaineng people are so boastful. There’s a running joke that Kaineng is “Carried by Koreans.”

If I had realized their oceanic crew was korean, I might have transferred before the paid transfer started. I might still transfer just to have people to chat with in korean again.

The night crew isnt all koreans, there are also alot of chinese and some europeans.
I think WM is Korean and SoS is chinese (SoS is probably the biggest guild on Kaineng but they also do lots of PVE).
I also think they both have international guild off shoots

Camora.4197:

kujalord.5849:

13 golem for our garry

GJ Kaineng

Hello! I’m sorta new the WvW thing and trying to really learn as much as I can this week. I noticed in the other threads what appeared to be sarcasm at golem tactics. What is wrong with doing it? Is it considered a cop out? What would you consider a better strategy if the golems look like they will work?

golem strategy needs at least a group of well organized mesmers team to port the heavy robots . If u have one then juz golem everything, why waste so much time on trebbing? but to my experience not much guild have this group of organized mesmers, thats why you still need to attack with some old fashion way, and place some counter siege. If you can safely port the golems to the enemy gate without being found , congratz !

Anyone online care to 1v1? I’ll be at windmill south supply @ Kaineng Borderlands.

I’m the big norn Guardian

The main use for golems is busting siege deadlocks. Alpha Siege Golems get through a reinforced gate very quickly and Omega Siege Golems get through fortified walls very quickly, more so in large numbers.

There is something that can be said for playing the tower/keep warfare game without relying on golems because its important to think about the position of enemy teams on the map. Its difficult to describe this concept without showing you but stealth capping rarely works these days due to the number of players in wvw that react to contested swords on the map. They see white swords behind a tower and someone almost always checks it out and tells their teammates what is causing it.

So you need to tie up a large number of enemy forces somewhere on the map where they are forced to run back and defend but cannot do so before you can get through a gate with rams or a wall with catapults. You want to force a situation where they know they are losing a tower but cannot save it in time. A big part of borderland defense is getting your enemy out of position and denying them timely access to supply so they cannot repair fast enough or put up defensive siege. Speed and silence is very important.

With enough golems + appropriately sized escort you can get through a gate fast enough that it almost doesn’t matter where enemy teams are. They are not going to react fast enough unless they have already got siege weapons pre-emptively built and a large number of players are very near the keep/tower or literally inside it.

A properly executed portal chain allows golems to move across the map faster than players with perma swiftness. 5 alpha golems + timewarp will get through 2 reinforced gates really fast. In most cases, your only chance to save a keep is to have siege pre-emptively built and enough players nearby to hold until you can waypoint an army in.

Golem plays are fine and there can be a great deal of skill and planning involved in a successful golem rush. You need good scouting/intelligence, a good portal chain, a contingency portal if you get spotted or it all goes horribly wrong. You need to be ready to fight an entire server that will attempt to waypoint on top of you. You need to have some way of shutting down an enemy team’s ability to travel across the map quickly, which requires distraction teams and/or shutting down waypoints to increase travel time.

Or you can also elect to ignore all of those things and just throw money at a problem via failed golem rush #6 until attrition gradually gets the better of your opponent.

But thats more of a problem with attrition generally.

ellesee.8297:

kaineng won by a landslide but obviously they are the worst out of the three!!!!11

that’s what i got from these threads.

oh and also omgg come dool me in wvwvw omggg if i win i win wvwvw omgg how could you have killed my in game avatar??!!!11 that is such a personal insult omg obviously i have to prove my worth by coming onto these forums and saying i’m better than all of you!!!!

Actually I like dueling because it’s a fun experience, and ANet hasn’t introduced formal dueling yet.

If you think you’re better than me, come prove it

Besetment.9187:

Or you can also elect to ignore all of those things and just throw money at a problem via failed golem rush #6 until attrition gradually gets the better of your opponent.

Otherwise known as “The Paralda.”

ellesee.8297:

kaineng won by a landslide but obviously they are the worst out of the three!!!!11

that’s what i got from these threads.

oh and also omgg come dool me in wvwvw omggg if i win i win wvwvw omgg how could you have killed my in game avatar??!!!11 that is such a personal insult omg obviously i have to prove my worth by coming onto these forums and saying i’m better than all of you!!!!

I know why Kaineng is despised by servers in T3-T8. They have a lot of chest thumping carried players.

lol went right over your head but i don’t judge.

ellesee.8297:

lol went right over your head but i don’t judge.

That’s odd… I thought your caricature was wholly intended to be judgmental.

ellesee.8297:

lol went right over your head but i don’t judge.

You guys just aren’t liked for some reason. Why?!

It was an awful post. I have a fantastic idea: Lets ignore it!

Besetment.9187:

It was an awful post. I have a fantastic idea: Lets ignore it!

Dang it, voice of reason…. why did you have to show up?

zaniix.9074:

I think the players of Kain are happy that this week thus far has been a success. If the match up is not fair it is not our fault, nobody on Kain picked it and this reset made it worse because next weeks match up looks to be horrid.

After a few weeks I hope we are matched with a group of servers with equal numbers. Please try to be positive, most of us have no ill will towards any of you and just want to have a fun time.

" the match up is not fair it is not our fault, nobody on Kain picked it"

So nobody on Kain recently transfered exploding the population? How in hell did you all stay in lower tiers for so long with numbers I have seen if no one choose to transfer thus causing population imbalance in lower tiers?

while trying to get 100% map completion i was killed by like 10-50 dragonbrand invaders. i couldn’t really tell it was just a sea of red when i held down ctrl. now they ignored the standard rules of warfare which have been used since the dawn of human civilization which was to stand in line and only attack me one at a time so clearly compared to me they are inferior. also dragonbrand clearly outnumbers kaineng because i was only one person and they were somewhere between 10 and 50.

You’re kind of bad at this.

kfarb.6732:

zaniix.9074:

If the match up is not fair it is not our fault, nobody on Kain picked it

This only makes sense if you’ve been on the server since day 1.

Well not even then as he said nobody and nobody is defined as “: no person : not anybody” So it make zero since because we all know that a large number of T1 guilds/peeps transfered in last few weeks.

kfarb.6732:

You’re kind of bad at this.

It’s okay, I’m sure when we’re asleep some Koreans will get online and actually troll us.

ellesee.8297:

kaineng won by a landslide but obviously they are the worst out of the three!!!!11

Think of it like this. Say Last night Super Bowl team was matched up against 500 pee-wee football players. Do think even the Ravens would have any chance in hell winning?

Pretty sure people on Kaineng didn’t start the chest thumping and kitten talking.

ParaldaWind.4523:

kfarb.6732:

You’re kind of bad at this.

It’s okay, I’m sure when we’re asleep some Koreans will get online and actually troll us.

OH SNAP!!!!

Moddo.7105:

ellesee.8297:

kaineng won by a landslide but obviously they are the worst out of the three!!!!11

Think of it like this. Say Last night Super Bowl team was matched up against 500 pee-wee football players. Do think even the Ravens would have any chance in hell winning?

so you are asking me if the ravens would’ve won if they were matched up against 500 kids? yes. yes they would have. and shame on you for putting that saddening image in my head.

George Steel.1804:

Actually I like dueling because it’s a fun experience, and ANet hasn’t introduced formal dueling yet.

If you think you’re better than me, come prove it

Completely agree. Plus, duelling teaches you how to deal with specific classes and makes you a better WvW player all around. Plus, it’s fun, of course.

Moddo.7105:

ellesee.8297:

kaineng won by a landslide but obviously they are the worst out of the three!!!!11

Think of it like this. Say Last night Super Bowl team was matched up against 500 pee-wee football players. Do think even the Ravens would have any chance in hell winning?

Yes.

Which is precisely why we are winning on Kaineng right now. More skilled, better strategy and tactics. You guys even have more people than us. Learn to play Mugaamu, Dragonbrand is alright though, they at least put up a fight. Mugaamu just rolls over and dies for me. Got 476 badges last night killing mugaamu people alone, farmed whole zergs with my sup arrow cart while they ran around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to cap my tower. Thanks for the exotics btw, got 3 exotic drops, no precursor though.

Then I was running around solo capping supply camps and 5-10 of you guys run up to try and kill me :LOL: you need skill to do that son. Wiped the full thief group 3-4 times before they finally brought 30+ people to finish me off. Even then I brought down half of them.

Hope you’re still on George, cause I’ll duel ya.

fellyn.5083:

Pretty sure people on Kaineng didn’t start the chest thumping and kitten talking.

Maybe, maybe not, but we can end it on our side. Kain needs to stop responding to and propagating it completely. This “I know you are but what am I?” needs to stahp. When has this back and forth ever worked in anyone’s favor? Who is going to come in here and say “wow Kain all your many angry forum words have convinced us you are the greatest ever! We apologize and will be sending each of you 1g in reparations. We aren’t worthy!”? No. One. So please, Kaineng, grow up and quit it.

Ninein.4782:

I don’t know why so many nonKorean Kaineng people are so boastful. There’s a running joke that Kaineng is “Carried by Koreans.”

I agree that our NA crew needs improvement. Right now in T3 we are usually only +350 to +400 around NA prime time. And in Oceanic times we becomes +500 to +600. When we face T1 foes we might end up losing, unless we improve.

Lots to learn still.

ellesee.8297:

while trying to get 100% map completion i was killed by like 10-50 dragonbrand invaders. i couldn’t really tell it was just a sea of red when i held down ctrl. now they ignored the standard rules of warfare which have been used since the dawn of human civilization which was to stand in line and only attack me one at a time so clearly compared to me they are inferior. also dragonbrand clearly outnumbers kaineng because i was only one person and they were somewhere between 10 and 50.

While reading this I questioned if this man is trolling or srs, I was under the impression a successful troll required some form of competence and understanding of a situation. I found neither of these and so have come to the conclusion this man is deadly serious and a truth teller, after hearing this magnificent story I decided to paint a masterpiece to show the grace and skill you, and by extension all of kaineng’s non zergy tiny population has, in doing so I have kitten DB and my own server as whiney foolish skill less zergy questionables. Here’s to you great hero!
Some of you may or may not know that my attempts thusfar to court killjoy have been unsuccessful, I put this down to being on maguuma thus making me a terrible skill less player, in retrospect I was never worthy of Killjoy. Instead I offer to you as a gift from maguuma, the hand of Killjoy in RP marriage, in exchange I ask you stop pillaging the lands of my poor skill less brothers and sisters of battle.

CHIPS.6018:

Ninein.4782:

I don’t know why so many nonKorean Kaineng people are so boastful. There’s a running joke that Kaineng is “Carried by Koreans.”

I agree that our NA crew needs improvement. Right now in T3 we are usually only +350 to +400 around NA prime time. And in Oceanic times we becomes +500 to +600. When we face T1 foes we might end up losing, unless we improve.

Your figure comes in after your Koreans carried you guys through the night. I’ve seen in T3/T4 battles, you guys come in 3rd badly at reset when numbers are even. Heck there were WM at reset and they got beat up. Then you get carried by your Korean pals when the other servers go to sleep. Then all you have to do is play defense on upgraded keeps to get the 350-400 primetime.

Ninein.4782:

CHIPS.6018:

Ninein.4782:

I don’t know why so many nonKorean Kaineng people are so boastful. There’s a running joke that Kaineng is “Carried by Koreans.”

I agree that our NA crew needs improvement. Right now in T3 we are usually only +350 to +400 around NA prime time. And in Oceanic times we becomes +500 to +600. When we face T1 foes we might end up losing, unless we improve.

Your figure comes in after your Koreans carried you guys through the night. I’ve seen in T3/T4 battles, you guys come in 3rd badly at reset when numbers are even. Then you get carried by your Korean pals. Then all you have to do is play defense on upgraded keeps to get the 350-400 primetime.

Implying thats not a strategy. Learn to tactics.

ShadowSoljer.6524:

Commisar.8695:

ellesee.8297:

while trying to get 100% map completion i was killed by like 10-50 dragonbrand invaders. i couldn’t really tell it was just a sea of red when i held down ctrl. now they ignored the standard rules of warfare which have been used since the dawn of human civilization which was to stand in line and only attack me one at a time so clearly compared to me they are inferior. also dragonbrand clearly outnumbers kaineng because i was only one person and they were somewhere between 10 and 50.

While reading this I questioned if this man is trolling or srs, I was under the impression a successful troll required some form of competence and understanding of a situation. I found neither of these and so have come to the conclusion this man is deadly serious and a truth teller, after hearing this magnificent story I decided to paint a masterpiece to show the grace and skill you, and by extension all of kaineng’s non zergy tiny population has, in doing so I have kitten DB and my own server as whiney foolish skill less zergy questionables. Here’s to you great hero!
Some of you may or may not know that my attempts thusfar to court killjoy have been unsuccessful, I put this down to being on maguuma thus making me a terrible skill less player, in retrospect I was never worthy of Killjoy. Instead I offer to you as a gift from maguuma, the hand of Killjoy in RP marriage, in exchange I ask you stop pillaging the lands of my poor skill less brothers and sisters of battle.

That handwriting in that picture is atrocious. Felt like I was reading the scribbles of a 4 year old.

My skill is reduced from an average person due to being on maguuma, also using a mouse to write whilst looking on another monitor has been known to affect typography. I personally feels it just adds the fact we’re all terribad and kaineng is our superior in every way.
EVERY WAY EVERYWAYEVERYWAYBEARSBEARSBEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAARRRRRS

Commisar.8695:

My skill is reduced from an average person due to being on maguuma, also using a mouse to write whilst looking on another monitor has been known to affect typography. I personally feels it just adds the fact we’re all terribad and kaineng is our superior in every way.
EVERY WAY EVERYWAYEVERYWAYBEARSBEARSBEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAARRRRRS

I agree.

Camora.4197:

Hello! I’m sorta new the WvW thing and trying to really learn as much as I can this week. I noticed in the other threads what appeared to be sarcasm at golem tactics. What is wrong with doing it? Is it considered a cop out? What would you consider a better strategy if the golems look like they will work?

They work too well imo, specially when you use them in access. Contrary to popular opinion using Golems is not a work of tactical brilliance, and the entire point of golems is to ‘not fight’ by taking the objectives fast enough that you take objective before defense can materialize.

Personally I would be happy if they were removed or severely limited to how many you can have per map. I further think they should not be able to use portals, and they should not be able to waypoint and be stored in an invulnerable area of the map.

All servers use them, including everyone I have played on, so consider my view server neutral and nothing at all to do with this match or any specific golem rush.

ShadowSoljer.6524:

Ninein.4782:

CHIPS.6018:

Ninein.4782:

I don’t know why so many nonKorean Kaineng people are so boastful. There’s a running joke that Kaineng is “Carried by Koreans.”

I agree that our NA crew needs improvement. Right now in T3 we are usually only +350 to +400 around NA prime time. And in Oceanic times we becomes +500 to +600. When we face T1 foes we might end up losing, unless we improve.

Your figure comes in after your Koreans carried you guys through the night. I’ve seen in T3/T4 battles, you guys come in 3rd badly at reset when numbers are even. Then you get carried by your Korean pals. Then all you have to do is play defense on upgraded keeps to get the 350-400 primetime.

Implying thats not a strategy. Learn to tactics.

You are proud at being able to pvdoor. I guess whatever floats your boat.

Hey Colhearth…… WHO DA BEAAAAAAR?!

Ninein.4782:

ShadowSoljer.6524:

Ninein.4782:

CHIPS.6018:

Ninein.4782:

I don’t know why so many nonKorean Kaineng people are so boastful. There’s a running joke that Kaineng is “Carried by Koreans.”

I agree that our NA crew needs improvement. Right now in T3 we are usually only +350 to +400 around NA prime time. And in Oceanic times we becomes +500 to +600. When we face T1 foes we might end up losing, unless we improve.

Your figure comes in after your Koreans carried you guys through the night. I’ve seen in T3/T4 battles, you guys come in 3rd badly at reset when numbers are even. Then you get carried by your Korean pals. Then all you have to do is play defense on upgraded keeps to get the 350-400 primetime.

Implying thats not a strategy. Learn to tactics.

You are proud at being able to pvdoor. I guess whatever floats your boat.

Pretty offensive post there, stating that I pvdoor when I play NA primetime. If I was on mugaamu I’d be mad.

Besetment.9187:

The main use for golems is busting siege deadlocks. Alpha Siege Golems get through a reinforced gate very quickly and Omega Siege Golems get through fortified walls very quickly, more so in large numbers.

There is something that can be said for playing the tower/keep warfare game without relying on golems because its important to think about the position of enemy teams on the map. Its difficult to describe this concept without showing you but stealth capping rarely works these days due to the number of players in wvw that react to contested swords on the map. They see white swords behind a tower and someone almost always checks it out and tells their teammates what is causing it.

So you need to tie up a large number of enemy forces somewhere on the map where they are forced to run back and defend but cannot do so before you can get through a gate with rams or a wall with catapults. You want to force a situation where they know they are losing a tower but cannot save it in time. A big part of borderland defense is getting your enemy out of position and denying them timely access to supply so they cannot repair fast enough or put up defensive siege. Speed and silence is very important.

With enough golems + appropriately sized escort you can get through a gate fast enough that it almost doesn’t matter where enemy teams are. They are not going to react fast enough unless they have already got siege weapons pre-emptively built and a large number of players are very near the keep/tower or literally inside it.

A properly executed portal chain allows golems to move across the map faster than players with perma swiftness. 5 alpha golems + timewarp will get through 2 reinforced gates really fast. In most cases, your only chance to save a keep is to have siege pre-emptively built and enough players nearby to hold until you can waypoint an army in.

Golem plays are fine and there can be a great deal of skill and planning involved in a successful golem rush. You need good scouting/intelligence, a good portal chain, a contingency portal if you get spotted or it all goes horribly wrong. You need to be ready to fight an entire server that will attempt to waypoint on top of you. You need to have some way of shutting down an enemy team’s ability to travel across the map quickly, which requires distraction teams and/or shutting down waypoints to increase travel time.

Or you can also elect to ignore all of those things and just throw money at a problem via failed golem rush #6 until attrition gradually gets the better of your opponent.

But thats more of a problem with attrition generally.

Thanks a lot! That was very helpful!

that picture is great but only 99% accurate! i’m an asura not bicepslady. and of course i hold no ill will towards dragonbrand even if they outnumber us heavily and ignore the rules of engagement. but let’s face it had they lined up and faced me with even numbers as per the standard of warfare, i would’ve omgwiped the floor with them and then proceeded to win wvwvw and then i would’ve posted a screenshot in this thread confirming my elite skills at the game.

Niim.9260:

Camora.4197:

Hello! I’m sorta new the WvW thing and trying to really learn as much as I can this week. I noticed in the other threads what appeared to be sarcasm at golem tactics. What is wrong with doing it? Is it considered a cop out? What would you consider a better strategy if the golems look like they will work?

They work too well imo, specially when you use them in access. Contrary to popular opinion using Golems is not a work of tactical brilliance, and the entire point of golems is to ‘not fight’ by taking the objectives fast enough that you take objective before defense can materialize.

Personally I would be happy if they were removed or severely limited to how many you can have per map. I further think they should not be able to use portals, and they should not be able to waypoint and be stored in an invulnerable area of the map.

All servers use them, including everyone I have played on, so consider my view server neutral and nothing at all to do with this match or any specific golem rush.

I wonder if we just haven’t found a great way to defend. I remember back at launch we used to use rams on every door. Once defenders learned to put catas and carts behind the door, our use of rams dropped. Now I’m likely to see us go after a wall 50% and gates with rams 50%.

Same thing with trebs. They are devastating to the SE tower and the West keep. However, after eles learned to swirl winds, it reduced their usage. And we learned all the tricky ways to hit trebs way up on cliffs and other hard to reach places.