Guild Wars 2

Pretty sure nobody is still on the “leave our server” campaign, Leafy.

We once had Blackgate and SoR use the breakout event at the same time on our BL. Was brutal. But what was worse, is we’d feel somewhat gratified to defeat it, and they’d run it again, lol. One day I counted 8 consecutive times they used the breakout, both sides … at the same time. Made me kinda hate Siegerazer, lol.

JaironKalach.4938:

While I’m here, let me say this to TC… You have beaten and broken Mag in a way that neither Kain nor FA had been able to. I think partially it’s some of the discontent we’ve had with our rank, but you guys to seem to have unbelievable coverage. There hasn’t been a time that I was on that TC wasn’t able to rally a zerg and retake anything we’d taken. Heck of a job, guys.

Zombie Coast tenacity + winning (newbs and fairweathers) = Zermbie Coast?

The good news is our non-NA coverage does actually seem to be improving a few brave RPers at a time, which will make T2+ matches more interesting for our opponents.

Edit: And hopefully we can convert as many of the new WvW folks to regular WvW players. The more we can convert PvEers from all servers the better.

katniss.6735:

In fact, you get way better loot from player kills than the PVE stuff. I get exotics off players, and vendor trash/siege off of npcs, grub, etc.

GRUB has a chance of precursor. Just like EB jumping puzzle and yaks.
Players – not. Maybe Dev does, but he’s on our server.

JaironKalach.4938:

While I’m here, let me say this to TC… You have beaten and broken Mag in a way that neither Kain nor FA had been able to. I think partially it’s some of the discontent we’ve had with our rank, but you guys to seem to have unbelievable coverage. There hasn’t been a time that I was on that TC wasn’t able to rally a zerg and retake anything we’d taken. Heck of a job, guys.

nice post, thanks for that.

When people say its an easy week IMHO they mean as far as point tally. I have died many many times to well lead and well played groups from MAG and DB while trying to take their towers and keeps.

Good fights even in an unbalanced week.

Players absolutely drop precursors. A guy in [DIS] got Zap a month ago from killing someone who was up-leveled.

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

Players absolutely drop precursors. A guy in [DIS] got Zap a month ago from killing someone who was up-leveled.

Wish they’d make this a feature. Kill the guy with a legendary equipped, get a higher chance of a precursor drop. :-)

katniss.6735:

Maguuma sucks. Cap stuff and don’t defend anything. That’s the entire week. When I take that attitude 100 people mock me for being a “noob commander”. I can’t win. Neither can Maguuma, but everyone knew that.

almost baited

katniss.6735:

Maguuma sucks. Cap stuff and don’t defend anything. That’s the entire week. When I take that attitude 100 people mock me for being a “noob commander”. I can’t win. Neither can Maguuma, but everyone knew that.

Leafy you know I would defend with you anyway, heck remember Hills a short while ago didn’t even have time to change out of my PvE build we just ran off and defended it with you. Your not a noob commander I have seen far worse and I spend nearly 6 hours a day in WvWvW so I have had a lot of people to compare you to.

Chin up, keep on fighting or i’ll get lonely. (And we’ll do Grenth again later for rofl-loot!)

JaironKalach.4938:

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

Players absolutely drop precursors. A guy in [DIS] got Zap a month ago from killing someone who was up-leveled.

Wish they’d make this a feature. Kill the guy with a legendary equipped, get a higher chance of a precursor drop. :-)

That would just paste an even bigger bullseye on our backs than we have already. XD

captaincrunch.6731:

JaironKalach.4938:

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

Players absolutely drop precursors. A guy in [DIS] got Zap a month ago from killing someone who was up-leveled.

Wish they’d make this a feature. Kill the guy with a legendary equipped, get a higher chance of a precursor drop. :-)

That would just paste an even bigger bullseye on our backs than we have already. XD

I was assuming that if someone equipped one in PvP it was because they understood and welcomed the attention. They tend to be a bit noticeable, after all.

Pinko.2076:

I think you shouldn’t stress out as a Mag commander since 90% of the population is taking this week as a burnout vacation right now.

My thoughts on a week like this… It’s a great opportunity to try out new things. If you are a commander, try new tactics. If you are a regular player, try out new builds. If it works great, if not, that’s fine too. It’s basically a big chance to test new ideas.

Of course, if you want to find good battles, there are plenty of those as well. At the end of the day, this is a game. It is about fun and not the scoreboard.

Almost all the capping on Mag BL last night was PvD karma trains with no defense (from all 3 sides) while on EB, TC was holding on to Mag garrison with all they had while DB freely capped towers all over the map.

The one lone TC I’ve seen in the past few days was running to the JP and didn’t fight back. After I killed him he partied me and made me feel guilty

Strange week in WvW… though better than last week I guess.

Outnumbered and trainrolled as Dragonbrand and Maguuma invaders may be at times, you still inspire fear in my bones and I run a’flailing and squealing/protesting (in TS3).. to the point where I know better to turn around and accept my fate. (..and /kneel if I have HP long enough.)

I’d always rather run into you guys out there than greet an empty, tumbleweed filled tower or keep.

wispi.2194:

Is defense even worth it? Say you take a keep, or garrison, or even stone mist and hold it. You have to hold a camp and protect dolyaks to get upgrades. While you are holding your objective, the rest of the map gets taken. Say you hold it for 2 days and feel great you have your keep. What did you accomplish? How much karma, silver, loot did you gain?

Now, if you take something, leave it and move on to the next target, and keep moving, not defending anything, you will have continuous karma, silver, loot coming in and none lost from siege weapons, upgrades, etc. Enemy takes it after you leave, and then you come around and get it again for more karma, silver, loot, etc.

I guess it comes down to why you play the game. If you want karma, silver and loot why are you not down in Orr instead of WvW?

Niim.9260:

wispi.2194:

Is defense even worth it? Say you take a keep, or garrison, or even stone mist and hold it. You have to hold a camp and protect dolyaks to get upgrades. While you are holding your objective, the rest of the map gets taken. Say you hold it for 2 days and feel great you have your keep. What did you accomplish? How much karma, silver, loot did you gain?

Now, if you take something, leave it and move on to the next target, and keep moving, not defending anything, you will have continuous karma, silver, loot coming in and none lost from siege weapons, upgrades, etc. Enemy takes it after you leave, and then you come around and get it again for more karma, silver, loot, etc.

I guess it comes down to why you play the game. If you want karma, silver and loot why are you not down in Orr instead of WvW?

Have to agree.. if you’re profiting immensely in WvW you’re doing it wrong. XD

..siege, repairs and upgrades get pricey. Event completions are great for levels but the fun in WvW involves actual /human beings/ as opponents instead of AI.

Thanks for the replies, though I still didn’t believe them. So I had to try it out for myself. I’ve been playing WvW non-stop since pre-launch and I just learned this. hehe.

Defense is the key to maintaining a map presence in WvW (more so in EB than the BL’s).

No server can hold out forever against another when they’re outmanned, and no server can take towers that ‘should’ be theirs when the enemy is still out in force on the map and paying attention.

However, once you’re able to upgrade any tower to tier 2 gates, you possess the ability to break a wide variety of siege attempts with numbers as low as 5 defenders.

It’s all a matter of having people who know and understand tower layout, where to place your defensive siege, and predicting and reacting swiftly to expected scenarios.

I’ve held Klovan in EB for almost 2 hours against continual attempts with less than 10 people. I’ve predicted where DB would be this week, and prevented them from taking towers during their surge in the SEA period.

I’ve also seen towers lost due to TC ‘not’ responding quickly enough, and ‘not’ undertaking basic defensive tactics.

Last night, Mags took Mendon and built trebs to knock down the wall of OL keep – this shouldn’t have worked. There are so many ways to counter those trebs, the simplest of which was our 30 person zerg turning up to AoE them, but TC was busy killing the tree champ >.>, and then went to the wrong side of Mendon, focusing on the gate when they should have just blasted some trebs

Excepting when you are drastically outnumbered, the reason most towers and holdings are lost is because folks don’t defend them properly. They’re lost due to poor play, poor decisions, ignorance, innocence and what I like to call gawping fish syndrome – when players would rather stand on walls staring than take the initiative and ‘act’.

Neither Maguuma or DB have much of a chance of defending anything in EB when TC is out in numbers and they are not, and everything you do manage to take ‘will’ be taken away again, but that doesn’t mean you don’t take the opportunity to start to stymie some of TC’s less than stellar tower captures.

Playing as red and blue in tier 2, TC would lose all their holdings in EB each and every night to BG or SoR. And each and every day we’d begin the slow process of returning our keep to 1700/1700, and upgrading each tower as best we could. We’d force BG, SoR, KN, all of them to leave Mendon or OW with their 30ish or so players who thought that some swiftly built and well executed siege would result in a swift tower cap, because I know how to counter everything you can throw at a tower, and while I’m doing that, our icons/zerg are arriving to flank and force the enemy to break.

Which is all a long and convoluted way of saying that while entering a map and seeing that you own nothing is extremely frustrating, you’re not going to be able to change that without people being willing to stay back and defend what you take (like Mags did with Mendon and its trebs last night).

As far as roaming and fair fights go…WvW isn’t the place for fair. Given the choice of fighting 2 people at, say, Speldan, and possibly losing, allowing the enemy to flip the camp, I’m always going to elect to run over those 2 enemy invaders with more people if I have them available. I’m not out to test my skill, I’m not interested in open field combat – I’m interested in defending what my server owns. And most of the time, that doesn’t require me fighting out in the open. Instead, I’m sitting on the siege I built, knowing exactly what I can do with it.

I rack up more deaths than kills each week in WvW. WvW isn’t about how many loot bags you gain, or how easily you can defeat people in small, scattered encounters. WvW is about fighting, doggedly, to take towers, keeps and camps, and then fighting all the more stubbornly to hold on to them.

Mags and DB, you’ve both killed me dozens of times this week as I kite around Golanta or Rogues, trying to hold up your caps. Sometimes I die, and you get the cap. I am sad. Sometimes, I die, but you don’t get the cap, because I lived long enough for reinforcements to arrive (it’s what I do). I am happy. Sometimes, I don’t die at all and the zerg arrives and there is much death and running away. I am pleased.

But this is what I do. This is how I contribute. I make taking ‘my’ towers difficult. ‘My’ camps. ‘My’ stuff. You’ll still take my things, sometimes, especially camps, but that won’t stop me from building them back up and being there again, next time. And maybe next time, because I’m there, you don’t get my stuff.

This is why I WvW. This is what I do for TC. I am the blood that bleeds for EB (and I bleed oh so well!)

I’m certain both Mags and DB have players just like me, and I hope that whatever holdings you do manage to grasp this week, you’re gaining as much pride and enjoyment from keeping them out of TC’s hands as I do keeping your eager hands off my property.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

This was alot of fun this morning since 50 DB decided to show up in our BL and trample everything. We’ve resolved to have fun with stuff like this when things look hopeless, if we have nothing left to defend it will happen again, too much fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7RrSN9Ag6s

I just fought a TC Ele (Double Dagger I believe) from some guild with Storms in their name in North camp Maguuma Battleground.

We need to finish that duel because I was having fun.

I wanted to say Mag’s LL guild thieves. We hate you. We really do. You’re too darn good at your class. Any time there’s a roaming thief on the map, the question is “Is it LL?”

There’s a big groan if the answer is yes.

Jayne.9251:

I wanted to say Mag’s LL guild thieves. We hate you. We really do. You’re too darn good at your class. Any time there’s a roaming thief on the map, the question is “Is it LL?”

There’s a big groan if the answer is yes.

You mean iLL?

dreztina.4820:

Jayne.9251:

I wanted to say Mag’s LL guild thieves. We hate you. We really do. You’re too darn good at your class. Any time there’s a roaming thief on the map, the question is “Is it LL?”

There’s a big groan if the answer is yes.

You mean iLL?

Could be .. they kill me so fast I never have time but to note a few letters lol. All I see is the LL … and then poof off in a puff of smoke and me lying there shaking my fist.

Vi Au.8341:

come on… i just beat this TC in a fair duel 1v1 and keeps trash talking me after i using thieves guild… have some class

Sorry that some TC players are like that. Just don’t give him your cookies for being that way!

Vagrant.1094:

<insert blah blah blah>

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

I agree, pie is delicious.

Last night, Mags took Mendon and built trebs to knock down the wall of OL keep – this shouldn’t have worked. There are so many ways to counter those trebs, the simplest of which was our 30 person zerg turning up to AoE them, but TC was busy killing the tree champ >.>, and then went to the wrong side of Mendon, focusing on the gate when they should have just blasted some trebs

Excepting when you are drastically outnumbered, the reason most towers and holdings are lost is because folks don’t defend them properly. They’re lost due to poor play, poor decisions, ignorance, innocence and what I like to call gawping fish syndrome – when players would rather stand on walls staring than take the initiative and ‘act’.

Neither Maguuma or DB have much of a chance of defending anything in EB when TC is out in numbers and they are not, and everything you do manage to take ‘will’ be taken away again, but that doesn’t mean you don’t take the opportunity to start to stymie some of TC’s less than stellar tower captures.

Playing as red and blue in tier 2, TC would lose all their holdings in EB each and every night to BG or SoR. And each and every day we’d begin the slow process of returning our keep to 1700/1700, and upgrading each tower as best we could. We’d force BG, SoR, KN, all of them to leave Mendon or OW with their 30ish or so players who thought that some swiftly built and well executed siege would result in a swift tower cap, because I know how to counter everything you can throw at a tower, and while I’m doing that, our icons/zerg are arriving to flank and force the enemy to break.

Which is all a long and convoluted way of saying that while entering a map and seeing that you own nothing is extremely frustrating, you’re not going to be able to change that without people being willing to stay back and defend what you take (like Mags did with Mendon and its trebs last night).

As far as roaming and fair fights go…WvW isn’t the place for fair. Given the choice of fighting 2 people at, say, Speldan, and possibly losing, allowing the enemy to flip the camp, I’m always going to elect to run over those 2 enemy invaders with more people if I have them available. I’m not out to test my skill, I’m not interested in open field combat – I’m interested in defending what my server owns. And most of the time, that doesn’t require me fighting out in the open. Instead, I’m sitting on the siege I built, knowing exactly what I can do with it.

I rack up more deaths than kills each week in WvW. WvW isn’t about how many loot bags you gain, or how easily you can defeat people in small, scattered encounters. WvW is about fighting, doggedly, to take towers, keeps and camps, and then fighting all the more stubbornly to hold on to them.

Mags and DB, you’ve both killed me dozens of times this week as I kite around Golanta or Rogues, trying to hold up your caps. Sometimes I die, and you get the cap. I am sad. Sometimes, I die, but you don’t get the cap, because I lived long enough for reinforcements to arrive (it’s what I do). I am happy. Sometimes, I don’t die at all and the zerg arrives and there is much death and running away. I am pleased.

But this is what I do. This is how I contribute. I make taking ‘my’ towers difficult. ‘My’ camps. ‘My’ stuff. You’ll still take my things, sometimes, especially camps, but that won’t stop me from building them back up and being there again, next time. And maybe next time, because I’m there, you don’t get my stuff.

This is why I WvW. This is what I do for TC. I am the blood that bleeds for EB (and I bleed oh so well!)

I’m certain both Mags and DB have players just like me, and I hope that whatever holdings you do manage to grasp this week, you’re gaining as much pride and enjoyment from keeping them out of TC’s hands as I do keeping your eager hands off my property.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Oh Nyari how you wound me, as I am the idiot commander that didn’t think of just hitting the trebs with AOE. I groaned on mumble when I saw that tree champ at Speldan, as I knew I had just lost control of my group for the next 10 minutes. Fun night though, pleasure fighting with you.

Jayne.9251:

dreztina.4820:

Jayne.9251:

I wanted to say Mag’s LL guild thieves. We hate you. We really do. You’re too darn good at your class. Any time there’s a roaming thief on the map, the question is “Is it LL?”

There’s a big groan if the answer is yes.

You mean iLL?

Could be .. they kill me so fast I never have time but to note a few letters lol. All I see is the LL … and then poof off in a puff of smoke and me lying there shaking my fist.

iLL is the only guild I know of that fit those letters and they’re a pretty big guild. Entirely possible there’s an LL guild we just don’t know of, though…

nalenb.1425:

Thanks for the replies, though I still didn’t believe them. So I had to try it out for myself. I’ve been playing WvW non-stop since pre-launch and I just learned this. hehe.

We learned alot of little tricks when we hit Tier 2. I pride myself on trying to be on the right piece of siege in the right spot at the right time ;P

Niim.9260

Seems like it would have been more fun to attempt to wipe the 5 with the three you had rather then wait for more that didnt come.

Well – I tried but the other ones stayed put screaming for help and complaining about how how no one ever listens to them. I’d have gone by myself – but… I mean, I’m good but not THAT good. =P

I love Nyari Cil. What a beautiful piece of writing.

That is all.

Truearrow.3527:

This was alot of fun this morning since 50 DB decided to show up in our BL and trample everything. We’ve resolved to have fun with stuff like this when things look hopeless, if we have nothing left to defend it will happen again, too much fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7RrSN9Ag6s

LOL epic

Evalakitten480:

Wow – Score update…

Awww does Saiyr know you’re talking to that naughty FA boy? :p

Truearrow.3527:

This was alot of fun this morning since 50 DB decided to show up in our BL and trample everything. We’ve resolved to have fun with stuff like this when things look hopeless, if we have nothing left to defend it will happen again, too much fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7RrSN9Ag6s

I miss playing with Bony!

Jayne.9251

Awww does Saiyr know you’re talking to that naughty FA boy? :p

LOL well we were talking about scores. To be fair, I’m talking to 2 people from Mag, and 3 others from FA at the same time, too.

Candir.5608:

Oh Nyari how you wound me, as I am the idiot commander that didn’t think of just hitting the trebs with AOE. I groaned on mumble when I saw that tree champ at Speldan, as I knew I had just lost control of my group for the next 10 minutes. Fun night though, pleasure fighting with you.

It’s all good I pointed it out to you at the time, and you recognised the mistake. Being tired does that to you.

As for the tree, it’s very difficult to get people to leave it alone unless they’re regular WvWers (which isn’t the case while we’re green). It’s great defensive tactics to drag it to Speld to slow down enemy zergs, another thing Mags did well.

Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Vagrant.1094:

Candir.5608:

Oh Nyari how you wound me, as I am the idiot commander that didn’t think of just hitting the trebs with AOE. I groaned on mumble when I saw that tree champ at Speldan, as I knew I had just lost control of my group for the next 10 minutes. Fun night though, pleasure fighting with you.

It’s all good I pointed it out to you at the time, and you recognised the mistake. Being tired does that to you.

As for the tree, it’s very difficult to get people to leave it alone unless they’re regular WvWers (which isn’t the case while we’re green). It’s great defensive tactics to drag it to Speld to slow down enemy zergs, another thing Mags did well.

Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

I think the most hilarious thing we ever did in Tier 2 was drag Lord Grub over to the tower that (was it BG or KN?) were attacking and stood back and watched the chaos. I didn’t do it myself, but I heard about it, and it was legendary

saiyr.3071:

Jayne.9251:

dreztina.4820:

Jayne.9251:

I wanted to say Mag’s LL guild thieves. We hate you. We really do. You’re too darn good at your class. Any time there’s a roaming thief on the map, the question is “Is it LL?”

There’s a big groan if the answer is yes.

You mean iLL?

Could be .. they kill me so fast I never have time but to note a few letters lol. All I see is the LL … and then poof off in a puff of smoke and me lying there shaking my fist.

iLL is the only guild I know of that fit those letters and they’re a pretty big guild. Entirely possible there’s an LL guild we just don’t know of, though…

I encountered two full-zerker iLL thieves on reset night, one wasn’t nice. They’d both just open with their elite (Basilisk Venom) and double backstab me for a “one-shot”, then /laugh at me.

It was fun switching to my zerker build and taking them both out, though.

Yah, grub to Bravost is another useful defensive tactic

I’ve dragged it to catapults and trebs over the gulch at Durios before too.

It’s not quite as reliable as that darn tree, but the lure of a giant chest with 7 whole badges is difficult for many to resist >.> ^^

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB.

We once put the grub inside of SE keep and kept him as a pet Grub Moat.

kerona.3465:

We once put the grub inside of SE keep and kept him as a pet Grub Moat.

lmao you’re kidding! How? That’s hilarious.

Jayne.9251:

kerona.3465:

We once put the grub inside of SE keep and kept him as a pet Grub Moat.

lmao you’re kidding! How? That’s hilarious.

We’ve also done it offensively. You just drag him into the keep when a wall/gate is down. If you want a pet just seal the gate behind him.

Grub has no leash range at all IIRC. You can take him on a walk around the entire map.

Pinko.2076:

Jayne.9251:

kerona.3465:

We once put the grub inside of SE keep and kept him as a pet Grub Moat.

lmao you’re kidding! How? That’s hilarious.

We’ve also done it offensively. You just drag him into the keep when a wall/gate is down. If you want a pet just seal the gate behind him.

Grub has no leash range at all IIRC. You can take him on a walk around the entire map.

lol that should be part of the dolyak parade

Jayne.9251:

Evalakitten480:

Wow – Score update…

Awww does Saiyr know you’re talking to that naughty FA boy? :p

Did she edit the text out of the screenshot or something? Oh well, she already broke my heart yesterday anyway!!

saiyr.3071

Did she edit the text out of the screenshot or something? Oh well, she already broke my heart yesterday anyway!!

Awww – I always edit out my text – lol~

And I didn’t mean to break your heart!!

As the match winds down, hearts get broken. This is the season finale.

Pinko.2076

As the match winds down, hearts get broken. This is the season finale.

Yeah… But for each end, there’s a new beginning!

Not this time, it’s the series finale not the season finale!!

saiyr.3071

Not this time, it’s the series finale not the season finale!!

Well, some folks will be starting a whole new show.

Evalakitten480:

saiyr.3071

Not this time, it’s the series finale not the season finale!!

Well, some folks will be starting a whole new show.

I dunno about you, but I think my career has peaked.

Also, looks like someone forgot to protect their borderlands

saiyr.3071:

Evalakitten480:

saiyr.3071

Not this time, it’s the series finale not the season finale!!

Well, some folks will be starting a whole new show.

I dunno about you, but I think my career has peaked.

Also, looks like someone forgot to protect their borderlands

What?! You took my hills?,

That’s it, I’m logging back on……