Guild Wars 2

Jahn.7019:

Melamorte.2870:

LoL was fun on SoRBL last night fighting TW. I don’t know if they realized how many naked peeps they were fighting.
I think there were 8 or 9 commander tags at one point. More tags than armor or sense.

TW must’ve figured out they weren’t getting any WXP after a while.

They were farming you at the spawn point with ballistas and trebs, as much fun as you were having, I’m sure they were just as happy to let you guys feed their bags.

What time are you talking about? When I was on it was a battle at Lakeside. There was a ton of SoR inside, the gate and wall were down facing spawn, every now and then a wave of SoR would pour out then recede… it was a blast. No spawn camping there.

I do recall a handful of BG trying to come in from the west a couple times, but they didn’t have the numbers so nothing really came of that.

Azure.8412:

jojojoon.8607:

scootshoot.6583:

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

Zen.8497:

I believe the guilds that won’t even try is because they know better and expect to be wiped.
Regarding Foo, it is obvious they didn’t even expected the outcome or they might have not accepted, as soon the ball was already rolling it would have been hard for them to honorably back away from these fights even if they wanted.

I work really early hours (4am est) so on the weekends I get to see FoO in action often and I can say, without reservation, they are more than a zerg. Yes, they have huge numbers. Yes, as any large guild of that size, skill level varies. Same as in any large western guild.

However, when it comes to discipline and organization, sheer points producing potential, I think they kick NA’s butt. When’s the last time you saw a group from NA do sentry duty at a camp? Sure maybe a person will watch a door, maybe player will patrol a yaks route. FoO will set up a 5 man in every camp with a response team ready to be there in 30 seconds. Heck they even have a sentry or two on each yak. Basically, a solo hunter like me can’t do jack but gank the occasional solo on their way to doing something productive and responsible. Basically, they’re an army and we’re just roaming barbarians. Any NA guild could learn a thing or two. Sure, in a wild fight we beat em.. But I think taking a keep from them would be miserable.
What they do, standing bored at an objective, takes pride. They ENJOY it, because it’s winning. And I do believe that pride would also require them to keep coming back, even if they lose, until they do beat us.
I guess we’ll find out Sunday, eh?

Right now these tactics are one of the major reasons JQ is winning. Sure we make full use of our stronger timezones and appear to have some better numbers at times as well but we defend and upgrade our stuff better than the other two servers and so hold onto to points for longer. Each timezone tries to hand off something for the previous timezone to work with.

Heh. Your statement above still comes down to numbers advantage. More eyes and ears as scouts on the road thus covering more land area. Extra bodies to run supplies, upgrades etc.

Did you miss last weeks reset night? Up until 4am all 3 servers were neck and neck as every NA player packed the queues for each. Was a less then 2k difference when I went to bed. Woke up the following morning around 11am central to see the lead balloon to 12k JQ advantage, lol. How do you think this happened? From your Asian crew defending and upgrading? haha.

Anyhoo, we had similar advantage when we were on T2 and the games grew stale fast pounding on doors with little resistance so much prefer having the greater number of opponents to go against so keep those bandwagon transfers coming JQ!

You went to sleep early, but many wvw players who enjoy the game do not sleep on their normal hours on a Friday/Saturday. I personally played until almost 4am (of course not 11 straight hours).

One of the points Kreen makes that probably isn’t happening on SOR is that, on JQ, the players from the different time zones try to help each other out by doing the little things like escorting yaks to upgrade to pass on next time zone, managing the hours to try to log in during the server’s weaker coverage hours, etc.

At least from what I have seen on the forum, SOR does their normal thing during their normal hours and then points the finger at their weaker time zone players and blames them for the reason why they’re losing. I’ve read some SOR players calling their other time zones “disorganized” or trying to kick their other time zone players out of their server just to give them a better chance of winning instead of actually trying to help them out.

I can assure you our NA do try their best to help our weaker timezones. I dont know where you got that from.

You probably don’t follow the forum all that much. There were some NA players from SOR who wanted to kick all non-NA players from NA servers just so they will have a better chance at winning. There was a huge discussion about it a few days ago.

Tyaen.5148:

Sorry covenn. While we are good at sieging up our keeps and towers, we are terrible at walking supply. It’s usually a few dedicated people on SoR walking Yaks, and usually not enough to prevent Yak ganking by organized havok squads.

I disagree, but let me explain.

We walk yaks when we have to. Do we have people constantly wasting there evening walking every Yak? No.

The reason why I posted what I did is that I know they are no different than us in that department first hand. Why might you ask? Simple, running havoc and killing a stupid amount of their Yaks uncontested has given me that perspective.

jojojoon.8607:

You probably don’t follow the forum all that much. There were some NA players from SOR who wanted to kick all non-NA players from NA servers just so they will have a better chance at winning. There was a huge discussion about it a few days ago.

You have issues with reading comprehension if that is how you interpreted that. It was a single poster discussing possible solutions to coverage issues that this game has as a whole. It wasn’t someone wanting to kick out their non-NA players as you so disgustingly are insinuating.

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Hold the phone. Naked night occurs regardless of the score.

Did we forget the conversation subject?
All these people agreeing with me is throwing the chemestry out of whack.

jojojoon.8607:

Azure.8412:

jojojoon.8607:

You went to sleep early, but many wvw players who enjoy the game do not sleep on their normal hours on a Friday/Saturday. I personally played until almost 4am (of course not 11 straight hours).

One of the points Kreen makes that probably isn’t happening on SOR is that, on JQ, the players from the different time zones try to help each other out by doing the little things like escorting yaks to upgrade to pass on next time zone, managing the hours to try to log in during the server’s weaker coverage hours, etc.

At least from what I have seen on the forum, SOR does their normal thing during their normal hours and then points the finger at their weaker time zone players and blames them for the reason why they’re losing. I’ve read some SOR players calling their other time zones “disorganized” or trying to kick their other time zone players out of their server just to give them a better chance of winning instead of actually trying to help them out.

I can assure you our NA do try their best to help our weaker timezones. I dont know where you got that from.

You probably don’t follow the forum all that much. There were some NA players from SOR who wanted to kick all non-NA players from NA servers just so they will have a better chance at winning. There was a huge discussion about it a few days ago.

Please stop spreading misinformation about SoR every chance you got. You seem a bit obsessed with SoR. One person suggesting a not so excellent solution to Asian population balance does not equal the lot of us wanting all Asians out of the server. Please stop exagerrating man…

My personal opinion is that JQ does have more dedicated people for the boring tasks in addition to large numbers in wvw.

Its also quite true that our forces are less organised compared to FoO in that timezone. Hopefully we will improve, I play this time slot too mostly :/

LetoII.3782:

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Hold the phone. Naked night occurs regardless of the score.

Did we forget the conversation subject?
All these people agreeing with me is throwing the chemestry out of whack.

Weren’t we talking about getting FOO naked and rubbing them down with omnomberry pies?

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Hold the phone. Naked night occurs regardless of the score.

Did we forget the conversation subject?
All these people agreeing with me is throwing the chemestry out of whack.

Weren’t we talking about getting FOO naked and rubbing them down with omnomberry pies?

Touche’

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Hold the phone. Naked night occurs regardless of the score.

Did we forget the conversation subject?
All these people agreeing with me is throwing the chemestry out of whack.

Weren’t we talking about getting FOO naked and rubbing them down with omnomberry pies?

I’d pay 1.2 gold for a video of that. Yea, I’m poor :/

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Giggity!

covenn.7165:

jojojoon.8607:

You probably don’t follow the forum all that much. There were some NA players from SOR who wanted to kick all non-NA players from NA servers just so they will have a better chance at winning. There was a huge discussion about it a few days ago.

You have issues with reading comprehension if that is how you interpreted that. It was a single poster discussing possible solutions to coverage issues that this game has as a whole. It wasn’t someone wanting to kick out their non-NA players as you so disgustingly are insinuating.

Actually it was multiple posters, but yes that is exactly what they were referring to.

Does the name Covenn originate from DAoC? Does it mean the same thing here?

This is not intended as an insult or anything. I am curious.

urek mazino.4026:

jojojoon.8607:

Azure.8412:

jojojoon.8607:

You went to sleep early, but many wvw players who enjoy the game do not sleep on their normal hours on a Friday/Saturday. I personally played until almost 4am (of course not 11 straight hours).

One of the points Kreen makes that probably isn’t happening on SOR is that, on JQ, the players from the different time zones try to help each other out by doing the little things like escorting yaks to upgrade to pass on next time zone, managing the hours to try to log in during the server’s weaker coverage hours, etc.

At least from what I have seen on the forum, SOR does their normal thing during their normal hours and then points the finger at their weaker time zone players and blames them for the reason why they’re losing. I’ve read some SOR players calling their other time zones “disorganized” or trying to kick their other time zone players out of their server just to give them a better chance of winning instead of actually trying to help them out.

I can assure you our NA do try their best to help our weaker timezones. I dont know where you got that from.

You probably don’t follow the forum all that much. There were some NA players from SOR who wanted to kick all non-NA players from NA servers just so they will have a better chance at winning. There was a huge discussion about it a few days ago.

Please stop spreading misinformation about SoR every chance you got. You seem a bit obsessed with SoR. One person suggesting a not so excellent solution to Asian population balance does not equal the lot of us wanting all Asians out of the server. Please stop exagerrating man…

My personal opinion is that JQ does have more dedicated people for the boring tasks in addition to large numbers in wvw.

Its also quite true that our forces are less organised compared to FoO in that timezone. Hopefully we will improve, I play this time slot too mostly :/

I was most definitely not implying our SoR Asian forces are lacking. The comments were directed at my fellow westerners, who show as a whole far more reluctance to doing anything without instant gratification. I find the cultural differences fascinating, and I do believe once our newest friends have had a chance to acclimate themselves they will also be putting NA forces to shame.

LetoII.3782:

urek mazino.4026:

jojojoon.8607:

Azure.8412:

jojojoon.8607:

You went to sleep early, but many wvw players who enjoy the game do not sleep on their normal hours on a Friday/Saturday. I personally played until almost 4am (of course not 11 straight hours).

One of the points Kreen makes that probably isn’t happening on SOR is that, on JQ, the players from the different time zones try to help each other out by doing the little things like escorting yaks to upgrade to pass on next time zone, managing the hours to try to log in during the server’s weaker coverage hours, etc.

At least from what I have seen on the forum, SOR does their normal thing during their normal hours and then points the finger at their weaker time zone players and blames them for the reason why they’re losing. I’ve read some SOR players calling their other time zones “disorganized” or trying to kick their other time zone players out of their server just to give them a better chance of winning instead of actually trying to help them out.

I can assure you our NA do try their best to help our weaker timezones. I dont know where you got that from.

You probably don’t follow the forum all that much. There were some NA players from SOR who wanted to kick all non-NA players from NA servers just so they will have a better chance at winning. There was a huge discussion about it a few days ago.

Please stop spreading misinformation about SoR every chance you got. You seem a bit obsessed with SoR. One person suggesting a not so excellent solution to Asian population balance does not equal the lot of us wanting all Asians out of the server. Please stop exagerrating man…

My personal opinion is that JQ does have more dedicated people for the boring tasks in addition to large numbers in wvw.

Its also quite true that our forces are less organised compared to FoO in that timezone. Hopefully we will improve, I play this time slot too mostly :/

I was most definitely not implying our SoR Asian forces are lacking. The comments were directed at my fellow westerners, who show as a whole far more reluctance to doing anything without instant gratification. I find the cultural differences fascinating, and I do believe once our newest friends have had a chance to acclimate themselves they will also be putting NA forces to shame.

I dont have any problem with your comment really, just the guy above who’s really persistent on attacking SoR with often inaccurate and biased information.

Havn’t noticed the differences you mentioned. Might be because its often just too hectic with enemies attacking all over and needing to hop over to EB to help.

hex.3218:

Does the name Covenn originate from DAoC? Does it mean the same thing here?

This is not intended as an insult or anything. I am curious.

Hmm are you saying that I mean something to you? Covenn is my name and has been dating back to the release of DAOC.

jojojoon.8607:

Azure.8412:

jojojoon.8607:

scootshoot.6583:

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

Zen.8497:

I believe the guilds that won’t even try is because they know better and expect to be wiped.
Regarding Foo, it is obvious they didn’t even expected the outcome or they might have not accepted, as soon the ball was already rolling it would have been hard for them to honorably back away from these fights even if they wanted.

I work really early hours (4am est) so on the weekends I get to see FoO in action often and I can say, without reservation, they are more than a zerg. Yes, they have huge numbers. Yes, as any large guild of that size, skill level varies. Same as in any large western guild.

However, when it comes to discipline and organization, sheer points producing potential, I think they kick NA’s butt. When’s the last time you saw a group from NA do sentry duty at a camp? Sure maybe a person will watch a door, maybe player will patrol a yaks route. FoO will set up a 5 man in every camp with a response team ready to be there in 30 seconds. Heck they even have a sentry or two on each yak. Basically, a solo hunter like me can’t do jack but gank the occasional solo on their way to doing something productive and responsible. Basically, they’re an army and we’re just roaming barbarians. Any NA guild could learn a thing or two. Sure, in a wild fight we beat em.. But I think taking a keep from them would be miserable.
What they do, standing bored at an objective, takes pride. They ENJOY it, because it’s winning. And I do believe that pride would also require them to keep coming back, even if they lose, until they do beat us.
I guess we’ll find out Sunday, eh?

Right now these tactics are one of the major reasons JQ is winning. Sure we make full use of our stronger timezones and appear to have some better numbers at times as well but we defend and upgrade our stuff better than the other two servers and so hold onto to points for longer. Each timezone tries to hand off something for the previous timezone to work with.

Heh. Your statement above still comes down to numbers advantage. More eyes and ears as scouts on the road thus covering more land area. Extra bodies to run supplies, upgrades etc.

Did you miss last weeks reset night? Up until 4am all 3 servers were neck and neck as every NA player packed the queues for each. Was a less then 2k difference when I went to bed. Woke up the following morning around 11am central to see the lead balloon to 12k JQ advantage, lol. How do you think this happened? From your Asian crew defending and upgrading? haha.

Anyhoo, we had similar advantage when we were on T2 and the games grew stale fast pounding on doors with little resistance so much prefer having the greater number of opponents to go against so keep those bandwagon transfers coming JQ!

You went to sleep early, but many wvw players who enjoy the game do not sleep on their normal hours on a Friday/Saturday. I personally played until almost 4am (of course not 11 straight hours).

One of the points Kreen makes that probably isn’t happening on SOR is that, on JQ, the players from the different time zones try to help each other out by doing the little things like escorting yaks to upgrade to pass on next time zone, managing the hours to try to log in during the server’s weaker coverage hours, etc.

At least from what I have seen on the forum, SOR does their normal thing during their normal hours and then points the finger at their weaker time zone players and blames them for the reason why they’re losing. I’ve read some SOR players calling their other time zones “disorganized” or trying to kick their other time zone players out of their server just to give them a better chance of winning instead of actually trying to help them out.

I can assure you our NA do try their best to help our weaker timezones. I dont know where you got that from.

You probably don’t follow the forum all that much. There were some NA players from SOR who wanted to kick all non-NA players from NA servers just so they will have a better chance at winning. There was a huge discussion about it a few days ago.

That’s not what was said, but good try. The point being made that non-NA players need to be more evenly spread across all NA servers. (Kicking them off is the poster’s term.) Which would be fair and make for better competition from and for a larger number of servers. The problem is that fair is a concept a lot of Tier 1 stacked server WvWers don’t seem able to grasp.

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Does the name Covenn originate from DAoC? Does it mean the same thing here?

This is not intended as an insult or anything. I am curious.

Hmm are you saying that I mean something to you? Covenn is my name and has been dating back to the release of DAOC.

I do believe he’s asking about the urban dictionary definition.

CLB, ever made someone soooo angry in a game they googled your guild to troll your webpage? It’s considered an honor, I’m sure you can understand. ’Ol boy there got the personal version. Which is epic

Score Update before bed!

Chilling with my friends!

Good fights tonight with that huge JQ zerg and the SoR I did run into… namely AFS

Was super fun everyone!

Farewell!

Everyone is saying to the guy responding to them, that what he said is indeed not what they’re actually saying, and then going on to say the exact same thing again.

I can’t keep any of this straight!

Ardon.4105:

Everyone is saying to the guy responding to them, that what he said is indeed not what they’re actually saying, and then going on to say the exact same thing again.

I can’t keep any of this straight!

Absolutely right! Or is it?!

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

Anyway, I thought your original post was solid and wanted to say so and add some colour from my side. Given your post history and guild affiliation I see little point in going any further with our discussion.

I always love when some says something like that to exit a debate they are losing. He was more than willing to debate until he couldn’t refute your logic Letoll.

Classic stuff right there.

I am not dodging at all Its not about winning or losing here. For me its about both parties sharing a dialogue and learning something. I thought TW were in it for the experience and winning and losing (point scoring) didn’t matter. It appears that forum behaviour does not match self proclaimed WvW behaviour. I wonder what that tells us.

It all comes down to how I value my time. Rightly or wrongly based on someone’s post history and responses they provide I make some judgements about whether the person is receptive to a discussion and a hence we can both learn something or whether in fact they are a brick wall and operate with a set of dogma that suggests that they are unwilling to consider alternative points of view.

I just see little point wasting my time in presenting some arguments when its clear that the responders really are not interested in a fruitful discussion and would just rather troll. Exhibit A above.

Now, if you want to engage in some fruitful honest discussion be my guest. I am happy to respond in kind. I consider myself an open minded individual and am able to approach discussion on that basis. In my line of work I have to be.

If you would prefer to operate differently to fruitful discussion then don’t be surprised if I decide to walk on by.

Of course, I reserve the right to troll myself but am not at all surprised if folks decide to walk on by.

scootshoot.6583:

Kreen.3925:

scootshoot.6583:

Heh. Your statement above still comes down to numbers advantage. More eyes and ears as scouts on the road thus covering more land area. Extra bodies to run supplies, upgrades etc.

Did you miss last weeks reset night? Up until 4am all 3 servers were neck and neck as every NA player packed the queues for each. Was a less then 2k difference when I went to bed. Woke up the following morning around 11am central to see the lead balloon to 12k JQ advantage, lol. How do you think this happened? From your Asian crew defending and upgrading? haha.

Anyhoo, we had similar advantage when we were on T2 and the games grew stale fast pounding on doors with little resistance so much prefer having the greater number of opponents to go against so keep those bandwagon transfers coming JQ!

If you want to continue believing this then who am I to change that. I could respond with some excellent counter points here but really its not worth my time given your post history.

Heh, I just deal with facts. I woke up to what was a close match for the first 10 hours on reset night to a 12k lead once the 4am shift took over. Are you denying this never happened?

This is a gaming forum. There are no facts here. Just opinions and peoples perceptions. Anet have the facts on many of the topics we discuss here, we do not. That is why it can be very rewarding from a discussion point of view since its a melting pot of ideas and opinions and also why it can be frustrating when people misrepresent opinions as facts.

LetoII.3782:

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Hold the phone. Naked night occurs regardless of the score.

Did we forget the conversation subject?
All these people agreeing with me is throwing the chemestry out of whack.

in the spirit of helping each other, I think the word you are looking for there is chemistry.

I did check but could find no record of the word “chemestry” in any of my “english” dictionaries. I am the first to admit though that I am not always conversant with the latest street speak but google didn’t turn up anything either.

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Hold the phone. Naked night occurs regardless of the score.

Did we forget the conversation subject?
All these people agreeing with me is throwing the chemestry out of whack.

in the spirit of helping each other, I think the word you are looking for there is chemistry.

I did check but could find no record of the word “chemestry” in any of my “english” dictionaries. I am the first to admit though that I am not always conversant with the latest street speak but google didn’t turn up anything either.

Tanks fore der speling corekshun professar.

You have attained cliche status, well done!

LetoII.3782:

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Hold the phone. Naked night occurs regardless of the score.

Did we forget the conversation subject?
All these people agreeing with me is throwing the chemestry out of whack.

in the spirit of helping each other, I think the word you are looking for there is chemistry.

I did check but could find no record of the word “chemestry” in any of my “english” dictionaries. I am the first to admit though that I am not always conversant with the latest street speak but google didn’t turn up anything either.

Tanks fore der speling corekshun professar.

You have attained cliche status, well done!

Kreen is British, it’s possible that he may have thought that you did it out of some sort of strange word we Americans have. Or it’s possible I am wrong, I mean both of us can’t be right?!

LetoII.3782:

I was most definitely not implying our SoR Asian forces are lacking. The comments were directed at my fellow westerners, who show as a whole far more reluctance to doing anything without instant gratification. I find the cultural differences fascinating, and I do believe once our newest friends have had a chance to acclimate themselves they will also be putting NA forces to shame.

Aren’t you a contrary individual. There you go again with an insightful point. I too am fascinated by the cultural differences. They certainly appear to be real and as someone who has played in all timezones due to real life time management they are not just restricted to the obvious east/west differences.

I see some differences between EU, NA, Oceanics and SEA although the differences between NA and SEA seem most dramatic. Of course its difficult to separate server personalities and player mixes from this but there are certainly some geographic factors. Not really surprising if you consider the real world.

Wotah.2975:

LetoII.3782:

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Hold the phone. Naked night occurs regardless of the score.

Did we forget the conversation subject?
All these people agreeing with me is throwing the chemestry out of whack.

in the spirit of helping each other, I think the word you are looking for there is chemistry.

I did check but could find no record of the word “chemestry” in any of my “english” dictionaries. I am the first to admit though that I am not always conversant with the latest street speak but google didn’t turn up anything either.

Tanks fore der speling corekshun professar.

You have attained cliche status, well done!

Kreen is British, it’s possible that he may have thought that you did it out of some sort of strange word we Americans have. Or it’s possible I am wrong, I mean both of us can’t be right?!

On a gaming forum we can all be right, that is the beauty and the beast of it.

Wotah.2975:

LetoII.3782:

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Hold the phone. Naked night occurs regardless of the score.

Did we forget the conversation subject?
All these people agreeing with me is throwing the chemestry out of whack.

in the spirit of helping each other, I think the word you are looking for there is chemistry.

I did check but could find no record of the word “chemestry” in any of my “english” dictionaries. I am the first to admit though that I am not always conversant with the latest street speak but google didn’t turn up anything either.

Tanks fore der speling corekshun professar.

You have attained cliche status, well done!

Kreen is British, it’s possible that he may have thought that you did it out of some sort of strange word we Americans have. Or it’s possible I am wrong, I mean both of us can’t be right?!

My wife is English, I’m aware some words are spelled differently, and It’s all well and good to support one’s allies.
However, correcting spelling on a forum is internationally known as admitting you have no rebuttal of substance. I.E. Noob response.
I defy anyone to flawlessly compose upon a mobile device.

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

I was most definitely not implying our SoR Asian forces are lacking. The comments were directed at my fellow westerners, who show as a whole far more reluctance to doing anything without instant gratification. I find the cultural differences fascinating, and I do believe once our newest friends have had a chance to acclimate themselves they will also be putting NA forces to shame.

Aren’t you a contrary individual. There you go again with an insightful point. I too am fascinated by the cultural differences. They certainly appear to be real and as someone who has played in all timezones due to real life time management they are not just restricted to the obvious east/west differences.

I see some differences between EU, NA, Oceanics and SEA although the differences between NA and SEA seem most dramatic. Of course its difficult to separate server personalities and player mixes from this but there are certainly some geographic factors. Not really surprising if you consider the real world.

Didn’t you finish our discourse a few hours ago? Consistency man, it’s not just for yogurt

LetoII.3782:

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Hold the phone. Naked night occurs regardless of the score.

Did we forget the conversation subject?
All these people agreeing with me is throwing the chemestry out of whack.

in the spirit of helping each other, I think the word you are looking for there is chemistry.

I did check but could find no record of the word “chemestry” in any of my “english” dictionaries. I am the first to admit though that I am not always conversant with the latest street speak but google didn’t turn up anything either.

Tanks fore der speling corekshun professar.

You have attained cliche status, well done!

Well I wasn’t sure. As a Brit who often visits the US I am fairly “up” on general NA slang but regional variations often trip me up. I am sure our slang is as confusing.

As I said, I thought I would reach out and help my fellow gamer there in the spirit of helping each other given I see so many examples in this thread alone of folks engaging in dialogue with the same spirit in mind. “When in Rome” to use a cliche.

As far as cliche status goes, I am not familiar with that one. Its clear you obviously are though and I am guessing that you must be a previous recipient of said reward.

Thank you for welcoming me to the fold. I am honoured to be in such esteemed company. Do I get a cookie as well?

LetoII.3782:

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

I was most definitely not implying our SoR Asian forces are lacking. The comments were directed at my fellow westerners, who show as a whole far more reluctance to doing anything without instant gratification. I find the cultural differences fascinating, and I do believe once our newest friends have had a chance to acclimate themselves they will also be putting NA forces to shame.

Aren’t you a contrary individual. There you go again with an insightful point. I too am fascinated by the cultural differences. They certainly appear to be real and as someone who has played in all timezones due to real life time management they are not just restricted to the obvious east/west differences.

I see some differences between EU, NA, Oceanics and SEA although the differences between NA and SEA seem most dramatic. Of course its difficult to separate server personalities and player mixes from this but there are certainly some geographic factors. Not really surprising if you consider the real world.

Didn’t you finish our discourse a few hours ago? Consistency man, it’s not just for yogurt

Ah, you made an insight point again so I responded. If you would prefer me not to respond then continue with the chaff.

Kreen.3925:

I am not dodging at all Its not about winning or losing here. For me its about both parties sharing a dialogue and learning something.

Taking your proverbial ball and going home when you begin to lose a debate is what I implied that you were doing.

Kreen.3925:

I thought TW were in it for the experience and winning and losing (point scoring) didn’t matter. It appears that forum behaviour does not match self proclaimed WvW behaviour. I wonder what that tells us.

It doesn’t tell ‘us’ anything because that is all fabricated nonsense. It doesn’t have any basis in reality and isn’t even remotely close to being a valid or logical conclusion based on the conversation being had. This is another one of those ‘out in left field’ statements.

LetoII.3782:

Wotah.2975:

LetoII.3782:

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

VOLKON.1290:

LetoII.3782:

A perfect example right here.
Foo works diligently to provide for their faction, NA rewards them with…. naked night?

Hold the phone. Naked night occurs regardless of the score.

Did we forget the conversation subject?
All these people agreeing with me is throwing the chemestry out of whack.

in the spirit of helping each other, I think the word you are looking for there is chemistry.

I did check but could find no record of the word “chemestry” in any of my “english” dictionaries. I am the first to admit though that I am not always conversant with the latest street speak but google didn’t turn up anything either.

Tanks fore der speling corekshun professar.

You have attained cliche status, well done!

Kreen is British, it’s possible that he may have thought that you did it out of some sort of strange word we Americans have. Or it’s possible I am wrong, I mean both of us can’t be right?!

My wife is English, I’m aware some words are spelled differently, and It’s all well and good to support one’s allies.
However, correcting spelling on a forum is internationally known as admitting you have no rebuttal of substance. I.E. Noob response.
I defy anyone to flawlessly compose upon a mobile device.

Is it really? I can quite easily separate topics and respond to each in turn. Inquiring about syntax or spelling seems totally separate to other points. Is that generally a problem for you though, separating out threads of a topic? If so you have my sympathy.

I didn’t actually think I was given a response of substance to work with in the first place. Just an obvious troll response. Anyway, its clear that you prefer to act as a contrary person with your forum persona and hence there is no useful discussion to be had here.

Kreen.3925:

Well I wasn’t sure. As a Brit who often visits the US I am fairly “up” on general NA slang but regional variations often trip me up. I am sure our slang is as confusing.

Ok, this might explain some of the responses I see from you. Despite much commonality, there is still quite a bit of culturally induced differences that might cause you to draw incorrect conclusions.

Perhaps it will be easier to have meaningful discussion if we stop adding to this with blatant troll statements eh?

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

I am not dodging at all Its not about winning or losing here. For me its about both parties sharing a dialogue and learning something.

Taking your proverbial ball and going home when you begin to lose a debate is what I implied that you were doing.

Kreen.3925:

I thought TW were in it for the experience and winning and losing (point scoring) didn’t matter. It appears that forum behaviour does not match self proclaimed WvW behaviour. I wonder what that tells us.

It doesn’t tell ‘us’ anything because that is all fabricated nonsense. It doesn’t have any basis in reality and isn’t even remotely close to being a valid or logical conclusion based on the conversation being had. This is another one of those ‘out in left field’ statements.

I am engaging it dialogue though am I not so I think your implication is wrong. If I am given something to work with then I am happy to respond.

As far as fabricated nonsense well, this is a gaming forum, open your eyes and look around. Hey, read some of your own posts.

Kreen.3925:

This is a gaming forum. There are no facts here. Just opinions and peoples perceptions.

I disagree that there are no ‘fact’.

For example: I can post a screenshot of my player kill total at 8pm server time, then again at 10pm server time, and make a post stating that I killed 1023 players in two hours.

How would that not be a ‘fact’ ?

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

Well I wasn’t sure. As a Brit who often visits the US I am fairly “up” on general NA slang but regional variations often trip me up. I am sure our slang is as confusing.

Ok, this might explain some of the responses I see from you. Despite much commonality, there is still quite a bit of culturally induced differences that might cause you to draw incorrect conclusions.

Perhaps it will be easier to have meaningful discussion if we stop adding to this with blatant troll statements eh?

oh come on, you have heard the term “pot, kettle black” yes?

of course, incorrect conclusions might work both ways surely.

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

This is a gaming forum. There are no facts here. Just opinions and peoples perceptions.

I disagree that there are no ‘fact’.

For example: I can post a screenshot of my player kill total at 8pm server time, then again at 10pm server time, and make a post stating that I killed 1023 players in two hours.

How would that not be a ‘fact’ ?

Screenshot or it didn’t happen.

Then we can claim photoshopping.

Tyaen.5148:

covenn.7165:

scootshoot.6583:

Heh, I just deal with facts. I woke up to what was a close match for the first 10 hours on reset night to a 12k lead once the 4am shift took over. Are you denying this never happened?

Well maybe he is implying that BG and SoR don’t upgrade, siege up, repair, and make sure supply gets in. I think every SoR and BG player knows better though.

I wonder what would happen if FOO took a week off?

Sorry covenn. While we are good at sieging up our keeps and towers, we are terrible at walking supply. It’s usually a few dedicated people on SoR walking Yaks, and usually not enough to prevent Yak ganking by organized havok squads.

Actually, I like to think that NA BG has some pretty good havok squads. We really don’t see much yak walking/sentry guarding or even supply camp guarding from SoR or JQ after we make our presence known in an area. Of course, we welcome you to bring more people to walk yaks… please!! FoO would be a lot of fun to play against judging based on this discussion.

Boulderbolg.3460:

Tyaen.5148:

covenn.7165:

scootshoot.6583:

Heh, I just deal with facts. I woke up to what was a close match for the first 10 hours on reset night to a 12k lead once the 4am shift took over. Are you denying this never happened?

Well maybe he is implying that BG and SoR don’t upgrade, siege up, repair, and make sure supply gets in. I think every SoR and BG player knows better though.

I wonder what would happen if FOO took a week off?

Sorry covenn. While we are good at sieging up our keeps and towers, we are terrible at walking supply. It’s usually a few dedicated people on SoR walking Yaks, and usually not enough to prevent Yak ganking by organized havok squads.

Actually, I like to think that NA BG has some pretty good havok squads. We really don’t see much yak walking/sentry guarding or even supply camp guarding from SoR or JQ after we make our presence known in an area. Of course, we welcome you to bring more people to walk yaks… please!! FoO would be a lot of fun to play against judging based on this discussion.

You do realize that 40 people is generally too big to be considered a havoc squad, yes?

VOLKON.1290:

Boulderbolg.3460:

Tyaen.5148:

covenn.7165:

scootshoot.6583:

Heh, I just deal with facts. I woke up to what was a close match for the first 10 hours on reset night to a 12k lead once the 4am shift took over. Are you denying this never happened?

Well maybe he is implying that BG and SoR don’t upgrade, siege up, repair, and make sure supply gets in. I think every SoR and BG player knows better though.

I wonder what would happen if FOO took a week off?

Sorry covenn. While we are good at sieging up our keeps and towers, we are terrible at walking supply. It’s usually a few dedicated people on SoR walking Yaks, and usually not enough to prevent Yak ganking by organized havok squads.

Actually, I like to think that NA BG has some pretty good havok squads. We really don’t see much yak walking/sentry guarding or even supply camp guarding from SoR or JQ after we make our presence known in an area. Of course, we welcome you to bring more people to walk yaks… please!! FoO would be a lot of fun to play against judging based on this discussion.

You do realize that 40 people is generally too big to be considered a havoc squad, yes?

You do realize that Team Riot fields 5-10 players if we are lucky and doesn’t zerg, yes? And we’re not the only 5-10 man guild on BG that roams. You need to get out of your zerg more often, bro!

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

This is a gaming forum. There are no facts here. Just opinions and peoples perceptions.

I disagree that there are no ‘fact’.

For example: I can post a screenshot of my player kill total at 8pm server time, then again at 10pm server time, and make a post stating that I killed 1023 players in two hours.

How would that not be a ‘fact’ ?

Of course that would be a fact – “number of players killed in 2 hours where you contributed to the kill from a gamecode point of view”

However, I would argue that your screenshot does not reflect the bulk of the discussion that we cover in these threads, which seem to consist mainly of coverage, timezones, numbers and guild, player and server behaviours. All of this is opinion based.

In my view the only facts are the score updates. Feel free to disagree, you have the right to express your opinion but the moderators might feel differently as I am sure we can both appreciate from personal experience

Kreen.3925:

As far as fabricated nonsense well, this is a gaming forum, open your eyes and look around. Hey, read some of your own posts.

See, this is where you and I may differ. Fabrication is too obvious and easy to see through.

Take for example a certain poster who has a habit of that. To avoid naming names, calling someone out specifically, and to avoid offending anyone, lets refer to him simple as ‘Potato Alcohol’. People have stopped taking ‘Potato Alcohol’ seriously because of the blatant and repeated use of outright fabrication. This means that ‘Potato Alcohol’’s posts are ineffectual.

I avoid fabricating anything on purpose and stick to legitimacy as a golden rule.

Boulderbolg.3460:

VOLKON.1290:

Boulderbolg.3460:

Tyaen.5148:

covenn.7165:

scootshoot.6583:

Heh, I just deal with facts. I woke up to what was a close match for the first 10 hours on reset night to a 12k lead once the 4am shift took over. Are you denying this never happened?

Well maybe he is implying that BG and SoR don’t upgrade, siege up, repair, and make sure supply gets in. I think every SoR and BG player knows better though.

I wonder what would happen if FOO took a week off?

Sorry covenn. While we are good at sieging up our keeps and towers, we are terrible at walking supply. It’s usually a few dedicated people on SoR walking Yaks, and usually not enough to prevent Yak ganking by organized havok squads.

Actually, I like to think that NA BG has some pretty good havok squads. We really don’t see much yak walking/sentry guarding or even supply camp guarding from SoR or JQ after we make our presence known in an area. Of course, we welcome you to bring more people to walk yaks… please!! FoO would be a lot of fun to play against judging based on this discussion.

You do realize that 40 people is generally too big to be considered a havoc squad, yes?

You do realize that Team Riot fields 5-10 players if we are lucky and doesn’t zerg, yes? And we’re not the only 5-10 man guild on BG that roams. You need to get of your zerg more often, bro!

Hmm? Oh, no, I was just innocently asking, that’s all. I’ve seen different definitions of havoc squads and wanted to know where you stood. Team Riot? What’s the guild tag, I don’t recall seeing them on the BLs lately. (Probably due to not paying attention…)

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

As far as fabricated nonsense well, this is a gaming forum, open your eyes and look around. Hey, read some of your own posts.

See, this is where you and I may differ. Fabrication is too obvious and easy to see through.

Take for example a certain poster who has a habit of that. To avoid naming names, calling someone out specifically, and to avoid offending anyone, lets refer to him simple as ‘Potato Alcohol’. People have stopped taking ‘Potato Alcohol’ seriously because of the blatant and repeated use of outright fabrication. This means that ‘Potato Alcohol’’s posts are ineffectual.

I avoid fabricating anything on purpose and stick to legitimacy as a golden rule.

Heh… you’re good.

Kreen.3925:

However, I would argue that your screenshot does not reflect the bulk of the discussion that we cover in these threads, which seem to consist mainly of coverage, timezones, numbers and guild, player and server behaviours. All of this is opinion based.

In my view the only facts are the score updates. Feel free to disagree, you have the right to express your opinion.

I disagree with some of this too. I can say that during a fight last night where a poster accused the our guild of having an 80 man zerg, we only actually had 22 of us online in W3 with 10 extras by taking having everyone stack, take a supply info, open up the guild interface, and take a screenshot. Sorry… our ‘80’ man zerg was actually 32.

Edit: But yes I do agree that a lot of discussion here is perception and opinion based

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

However, I would argue that your screenshot does not reflect the bulk of the discussion that we cover in these threads, which seem to consist mainly of coverage, timezones, numbers and guild, player and server behaviours. All of this is opinion based.

In my view the only facts are the score updates. Feel free to disagree, you have the right to express your opinion.

I disagree with some of this too. I can say that during a fight last night where a poster accused the our guild of having an 80 man zerg, we only actually had 22 of us online in W3 with 10 extras by taking having everyone stack, take a supply info, open up the guild interface, and take a screenshot. Sorry… our ‘80’ man zerg was actually 32.

To be fair, Covenn, I did say you were mixed with others. It’s just your guild tag that stood out numerically as the plurality.

JQ’s EU/NA morning flipppin SoR’s map without foo. Dont undermine the INTL coalition .

Rawnoodles.1398:

JQ’s EU/NA morning flipppin SoR’s map without foo. Dont undermine the INTL coalition .

I love the little voice in the distance… “rez plz”

Might want to edit that to…“flippin SoR’s outmanned 18 person defense with 6 golems”.

I think JQ might need the needle of free transfers off it’s bloat :p.