Guild Wars 2

Good Luck!. Cant wait i hope MOS / lnm/ soul reapers/tempest are gonna have everyone alive this week. In terms of points arborstone should deffo focus viz. bored of viz server bar from fm/mort just hang on server. Looking forward to next week where hopefully seafarers will be here along with arborstone. what would be even better is if the viz guilds joined arborstone. lets try get in same zone most of week.

Rise and shine!

Heya Sacrx,

Good to see you again, had hoped to see you on Piken but that didnt happen :-(
Long time since WAR, Ive heard many good things about Red Guard in GW2. Apparantly you have been helping Thun and CiR to keep Blacktides Borderlands clean.

Good luck this week, shouldnt be too hard for Blacktide to hold its position. The French servers have already proven in the past that an alliance simply will not work, and as national servers they will not have the time coverage that Xaoc/Ruin gives Blacktide.

Xaoc especially seems very dedicated. Hope for a more interesting T1 matchup this week but not holding my breath ;-)

To the French servers, good luck, Congrats to Arborstone for fighting your way back up and Vizunah, hang in there! you’ve been in T1 for a looong time now, hope youll stay there despite the time zone differences. Would love to see a German server reach T1 as well btw

nice to see zeal of French servers
i hope it will last for the entire week

Some great fights after reset and alot of tought action! Although some Arbor guilds didn’t have the full numbers, they came out and fought, great action, and looking forward for more.

Vizuna can give good action too when they organise their whole zone to come after us, always entertaining with the open ground siege + massive numbers.
Although, once againg, in the end it reduced down to hiding behind 1000+ supplys worth of siege even with big numbers – not that entertaining.

Anyway hope the action continues with proper melting fights! That’s what we here to do aye?!

Good start. looking forward to more fights vs MOS. Seems alot of BT are in pve mode which might mean more action this week.

Good Luck!. Cant wait i hope MOS / lnm/ soul reapers/tempest are gonna have everyone alive this week.

Glad to fight you again.. all this waiting time…

Hope everybody enjoy the fight !

Good luck and have fun !

These first fights promise a good week. Great jobs done by RG on our home map. Your team looks very efficient.

Last night was perfect example why we play WvW. VS and AS are the best servers in EU to fight against atm and we’re going to have our work cut out for us.

Loving the challenge, hopefully we’ll be fighting for 1st place until the bitter end on friday.

Syndic.4762:

Last night was perfect example why we play WvW. VS and AS are the best servers in EU to fight against atm and we’re going to have our work cut out for us.

Loving the challenge, hopefully we’ll be fighting for 1st place until the bitter end on friday.

We could get better opponents than Vizunah Square. fair enough Arborstone good server some good guilds there. Vizunah Square a “hide on the wall” server. Seafarers Rest coming up and Vizunah Square going down would be the perfect scenario come the end of the week.

A good start to this week a lot of roaming guilds on Arborstone which is a delight to the eyes. Looking forward to some good battles vs. MOS, LNM and many others we haven’t seen out yet.

Cyril.1486:

Vizunah Square a “hide on the wall” server. Seafarers Rest coming up and Vizunah Square going down would be the perfect scenario come the end of the week.

The only server that is in top T1 from the begining and you call them “hide on the wall” server? They could call you “left your half sinking ship/server”, but they don’t do that. This is just mean dude..

your best scenario with AS staying and Vizu leaving will just not happen.

AS is a week end and 9pm-11pm playing server ONLY. vizu has a 18/24 coverage and puts the same dedication from saturday to friday.

and about guilds moving from VS to AS , that will not happen for the reason above.
most AS guilds/players are welcome on VS on the otherisde ^^

the patronizing and smugness is strong in this thread young padawans.

i sense large ego’s hiding behind false praise and smileys…

" oh grats to you guys from vis that was a great effort you put in , we nearly never wiped you out 2;1 .. keep up the effort you,ll kill some of us at some point i’m sure "

(that sort of stuff is just dripping condescention imo)
sort of like when my 8 year old son comes home with a crap drawing from school, you tell him its wonderfull and put it on the fridge.

Yup, didn’t saw any great fight yesterday on BT bl.

Rg had more number than all As together on this map. +Cir dealing with PvDoor.
Just nothing we could do.

Btw, i would love to kick vizunah out, but i don’t see that happening , as stated earlier by someone else, vizunah don’t care about sleeping or such, As people do.

Jomg.9061:

Yup, didn’t saw any great fight yesterday on BT bl.

Rg had more number than all As together on this map. +Cir dealing with PvDoor.
Just nothing we could do.

So you didnt had more then 20 players?

Cyril.1486:

We could get better opponents than BT, prime time brainless-clipping-laming-transfo-zerg-just-farming-not-sieging and hide-and-seek-night-and-morning-team-PvD-specialists.

Or we could just say, thank you to be here, it’s always a pleasure to be your opponent, I love you, not like my girlfriend, but mostly like my cat or the first beer of the day.

Xoxo

/paf

You are quoting two different people there, One (Syndic, also from CiR/Blacktide) is actually complementing both servers, not bashing.

@Jomg that doesnt sound like CiR (its not Cir btw but CiR, misspelling led to some misunderstanding in another thread and would not like to see flames start up here again over a simple typo)

Please keep the discussion clean, Id like to see more battle reports then accusations. The French servers already know there is a timezone coverage difference that will start to show up during the week as Blacktide starts pulling ahead more.

Some details about your battles would be more interesting to read then that Blacktide has 24/7 coverage, we already know that :-)

Vizunah square has weak pvp skilled players, but only win because they are groupies.

Last weeks I had 100+ encounters with Vizu. They NEVER EVER were in groups smaller then 15 people. They never ever fought till the end because then they would die (with equal numbers). They always keep running and running. Mistform addictives I call them.

Sure zerging is a viable strategy. But if you can only win with that, then you are a weak server. I’ve seen no pvp skills worthy yet from Vizu players. Very few of them worth oppenents 1 vs 1. Sadly they hide behind ‘downed, backup, get allies heal, go in again’ strategies. Without it, they are peanuts.

If zergs (will never happen), somehow would be prohibited, Vizunah square will drop in the list so fast, as you would never have seen before. So weak are they in the pvp area.

preps for lot of pissed Vizu players.

If you want me to change my statement, come and fight with smaller groups. And proof those small groups can survive, not run away like you are so good at.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Vizunah square has weak pvp skilled players, but only win because they are groupies.

Last weeks I had 100+ encounters with Vizu. They NEVER EVER were in groups smaller then 15 people. They never ever fought till the end because then they would die (with equal numbers). They always keep running and running. Mistform addictives I call them.

Sure zerging is a viable strategy. But if you can only win with that, then you are a weak server. I’ve seen no pvp skills worthy yet from Vizu players. Very few of them worth oppenents 1 vs 1. Sadly they hide behind ‘downed, backup, get allies heal, go in again’ strategies. Without it, they are peanuts.

If zergs (will never happen), somehow would be prohibited, Vizunah square will drop in the list so fast, as you would never have seen before. So weak are they in the pvp area.

preps for lot of pissed Vizu players.

If you want me to change my statement, come and fight with smaller groups. And proof those small groups can survive, not run away like you are so good at.

VS is a RvR server. we play RVR not 5v5 or 1v1. if you want this go spvp or unreal tournament . thank you
RvR is about capping towers and forts with your army and siege weapons not duel or individual skill. it’s about organization and coordination : mass combat
looks like you are not on the kind of game you want to play. we are

btw are you a rogue?

Dude it’s World vs World not Player vs Player if you want to fight 1 vs 1 it’s not the place we are stuff and spec to fight in groups.

I’m sorry if you get bored but maybe you haven’t choose the right game.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Vizunah square has weak pvp skilled players, but only win because they are groupies.

Last weeks I had 100+ encounters with Vizu. They NEVER EVER were in groups smaller then 15 people. They never ever fought till the end because then they would die (with equal numbers). They always keep running and running. Mistform addictives I call them.

Sure zerging is a viable strategy. But if you can only win with that, then you are a weak server. I’ve seen no pvp skills worthy yet from Vizu players. Very few of them worth oppenents 1 vs 1. Sadly they hide behind ‘downed, backup, get allies heal, go in again’ strategies. Without it, they are peanuts.

If zergs (will never happen), somehow would be prohibited, Vizunah square will drop in the list so fast, as you would never have seen before. So weak are they in the pvp area.

preps for lot of kitten Vizu players.

If you want me to change my statement, come and fight with smaller groups. And proof those small groups can survive, not run away like you are so good at.

Are you kittening kidding me?
If you’re on BT, do you know that :

RG is pretty much a so-call zerg (even if they’re not, it’s the same effect, but you did’nt even fight them si you don’t know), yesterday they were 30
CiR is a zerg (if they are not, they call friends np)
XAoC is a 50people zerg (and avoid fights to PvD by instant changing map if they meet more than 10 people at night)

On vizu we have 1 or 2 guilds that can align more than 20 people, everything else is PUG.
And PUG is easy for a PvPro like you boy.
I don’t know who you are but the only worthy PvP guilds i’ve seen last weeks were RG and JuG (or JG). Everything else is just zerg, no offense, this is the way this game is supposed to be played.

VS is in T1 for a reason, they know how to play the game and gain the points required to stay on top.
Slandering them wont achieve anything tbh. I just wanna see the same numbers out that they had very early in the morning Red tags.. red tags everywhere!!!

I don’t hate zergs. Let this be clear. But wvw Anything is possible. Even unlikely stuff like 5 people capping a keep. It’s incredible boring that you guys never try this.

It’s so predictable these days. Expect any moment a VS zerg, and the moment they loose, see them flying like loose rabbits. BT/AS (and other servers) at least have some 10 vs 40 (in defence) victories. It’s your right to it but it’s boring. I play wvw for exciting fights.

Vs is indeed top tire, but only because they know the loopholes in wvw.

@ Slashpaf. I’m not a pvp pro by far. That’s what makes it so funny when 95% of Vs loose 1 vs 1-3 to me. (but this only happens if we manage to split up your 40+ zergs, when you panic away – otherwise never meet Vizu in this small amount) Really just using basic pve strategy (should never work in pvp stuff), killed a lot of VS people.

I know saying this doesn’t change anything. But this game is about fun, and Vizu really seems to have forgotten that.

And just interesting to see reactions. Like the one saying BT is the zerg server. You know last week when I was online there was rarley a commander online. Maybe half of the time we managed to get 40+ people group but all the rest were small groups, defending against double Vizu numbers.

A suggestion: learn your skills. Then vizu with their huge numbers might actually have 3K list points instead of 2050. As it stands last week BT won with smaller number to my opinion wich gives more satisfaction then zerg-victory.

k, thanks for the advice bro

Nidhogg.2950:

its not Cir btw but CiR

It’s CIR, not CiR.

On topic, need more inventory space!

Some great fight today on BT bl, thx to BT for the challenge and VS for the insignia

Like we expected, every win vs RG is a Pyrrus victory.. you’r really one the top, LNM make some good stuff vs you today.. need to see you vs Tempest now. Unfortunately like in War some time ago, we are 2x less that you, so.. very difficult to make good stuff in this condition :/, trying to kill some ppl in the fight is a good start xD

Xaoc make good stuff on the morning.. CIR is a pleasure to fight also, even when our allied look the wall instead of helping us.. like in Cragtop.

I don’t know what happening to AS on the other bl.. but it’s very unexpected to see we are so weak on our homemap :/

Need more ppl on VS and BT playing on our scale ( 10/12 ) and it will be a perfect week.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Vizunah square has weak pvp skilled players, but only win because they are groupies.

Wrong, at least for a half…Yes we have weak pvp players…but we also have great pvp players…It’s just you don’t see them…And why? Well some of them left the WvW when you made it a Zerg vs Zerg, others are in the zerg for the loot not using their talent anymore since it’s not needed, and the last part of them left GW2 because WvW was their only interest in this game and it has become so boring…

But you can’t blame VS for that…you can only blame yourselves…you made that situation by fighting only in zergs destroying the little groups, using the clipping issue and inciting people from our server to play the same way…You only have the WvW you wished for… I told you that this WvW would be boring but as usual nobody listened (fortunately for me I loooove to say “I told you so”)…

I was fighting in little groups, having great fights in WvW…now I only go there for the tokens and the monthly achievement…But trust me if I could get good fights once again I would come back…So don’t blame us for the consequences of your choices…

Enjoy the WvW you created…

howdy all,

great fights with the named wvw guilds on AS, [mos][option][lnm][joke]. fighting you guys is really up our street. keep it coming.

really missing [mort] and [fm] from VIZ. sorry but for [rg], you guys are the only ones coming at us. everyone else runs/hides/jumps on siege weapons/roleplays. like ER did to us. boring. i don’t play for the points or server, but play to fight the “top” wvw guilds. bring it. like the first week we ([rg]) fought you.

shown.

Phoebe Poison.4875:

Nidhogg.2950:

its not Cir btw but CiR

It’s CIR, not CiR.

On topic, need more inventory space!

[17 Black Lion Merchant Expresses] – they were on sale yesterday, 50 Gems for 5! Should have picked some up. :p

silvos.3092:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Vizunah square has weak pvp skilled players, but only win because they are groupies.

Wrong, at least for a half…Yes we have weak pvp players…but we also have great pvp players…It’s just you don’t see them…And why? Well some of them left the WvW when you made it a Zerg vs Zerg, others are in the zerg for the loot not using their talent anymore since it’s not needed, and the last part of them left GW2 because WvW was their only interest in this game and it has become so boring…

But you can’t blame VS for that…you can only blame yourselves…you made that situation by fighting only in zergs destroying the little groups, using the clipping issue and inciting people from our server to play the same way…You only have the WvW you wished for… I told you that this WvW would be boring but as usual nobody listened (fortunately for me I loooove to say “I told you so”)…

I was fighting in little groups, having great fights in WvW…now I only go there for the tokens and the monthly achievement…But trust me if I could get good fights once again I would come back…So don’t blame us for the consequences of your choices…

Enjoy the WvW you created…

I see plenty of people having awesome fights when fighting outnumbered (myself included), perhaps you need to rethink the way you are trying to fight WvW when the game changes?

I, and many others, do miss the old DAoC 8v8’s, but you can’t expect the same from GW 2.

Intigo.1653:

I see plenty of people having awesome fights when fighting outnumbered (myself included), perhaps you need to rethink the way you are trying to fight WvW when the game changes?

I had fun when fighting outnumbered (actually they are the bests fights)…but there are outnumbered fights and winnable fights… When we had fights like 10 vs 30 with advantage of the ground that was outnumbered fight…But when you arrive at 5 in a zerg of 40+ people without seeing them or having any clue there are people here (everybody else being in the zerg there is no need for scoots so you have absolutely no information anymore) that’s not a winnable fight…

As for rethinking the way we fight in WvW we found the solution: go in the zerg like everybody, spam your autoattack, take your kills and leave as soon as you don’t need more kills/loot…that’s all you need to know to play WvW now…

abaddon.4768:

really missing [mort] and [fm] from VIZ. sorry but for [rg], you guys are the only ones coming at us. everyone else runs/hides/jumps on siege weapons/roleplays. like ER did to us. boring. i don’t play for the points or server, but play to fight the “top” wvw guilds. bring it. like the first week we ([rg]) fought you.

Hi, BT and VS way to play W3 are not the same. BT’s driving force is your huge guilds (RG, Xaoc &co) while VS is its PUG&guilds coordination.. We’ve got many little guilds, mort or fm are tiny in comparison with your main guilds, and a huge PUG playerbase.. VS strenght is to coordinate everything.

Because you shouldn’t forget VS and AS servers didn’t change so much since the begining of the game. While BT is what it is thanks to migration of many dedicated players. You can’t expect other servers to be like you.
Last week, when your main guilds were not in W3, maps were blue. VS is constant, every week, every day, we’ve got quite the same population connected, that’s why we are in T1 since so long.
But still, we’re slowly bored of W3.. We are fighting since 3 months to stay in D1, and the game didn’t change so much.. Capture the keep, upgrade your keep and lose it. It was really funny at the start, now it’s getting old.. Even in primetime, W3 is often not full.

Sometimes I even regret orbs, you had to fight to take them back or to protect them.. They should reintroduce them with lower stats boost. And to stop cheat, only an armored dolyak should be allowed to transport it… People would have to protect the dolyak from both other servers during the travel.

BT is the first server which truly took the first place from VS. All others servers used everything they got to beat VS the first week in T1 but were exhausted the next ones, and went back to T2.

Imo, your guild is the strongest, at least, in european servers. But you play too competitive, you should look to sPvP or maybe america because european W3 is to casual for you..
See you in 3 months, W3 will be dead before if Anet doesn’t implement new things.

Well it was just a matter of time before some people jumped on a high horse and started telling other top WvW servers that they have weak players, weak tactics..

The only guild I’ve seen on BT that uses actual combat tactics is RG. All other guilds only zerg. I don’t mean this as a criticism – play as you want, no problem – but have respect for others. GW2 doesn’t reward tactic and skill so why bother. I understand it. But no need to flame others because they don’t play how you want them.

Vizu has been on top all the time. They are obviously doing what’s needed to stay on top. In terms of WvW they are top server. You want them to play your way? Why would they? That would be pretty dumb. They don’t play to duel people but to win in WvW and that’s that. The only thing you get in WvW in direct clashes are badges. Not points.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

As it stands last week BT won with smaller number to my opinion wich gives more satisfaction then zerg-victory.

BT won every single time exactly because of zerg victory. Get off your high horse. BT isn’t #1 server because it’s the most skilled 1 on 1 but because it outzerged and outtimezoned other servers. And that’s that. You could even remove RG from BT and there would be no noticable difference for a simple reason that RG usually plays in prime time and that doesn’t get as many points as you can get when everyone is asleep at 3-4am. It’s just how game is designed.

And you would know where BT gets most of the points if you played a bit longer on the server, instead of being freshly transferred.

Ianervan.3415:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

As it stands last week BT won with smaller number to my opinion wich gives more satisfaction then zerg-victory.

BT won every single time exactly because of zerg victory. Get off your high horse. BT isn’t #1 server because it’s the most skilled 1 on 1 but because it outzerged and outtimezoned other servers. And that’s that. You could even remove RG from BT and there would be no noticable difference for a simple reason that RG usually plays in prime time and that doesn’t get as many points as you can get when everyone is asleep at 3-4am. It’s just how game is designed.

And you would know where BT gets most of the points if you played a bit longer on the server, instead of being freshly transferred.

Some hard truths in here and you’re absolutely correct. That is why we as in SFR rather stay in t2 for now, Elona and Desolation propose good fights and if you check the match up thread there was nothing but good stuff and fights – save a few hacking that Anet must do something about it.

If we move to T1 soon its going to be completely disheartening to see all our efforts gone during the off-time to the 24h coverage servers, and we’ll probably start losing interest in WvW again, even if we have good/fun fights during prime-time.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Vizunah square has weak pvp skilled players, but only win because they are groupies.

Last weeks I had 100+ encounters with Vizu. They NEVER EVER were in groups smaller then 15 people. They never ever fought till the end because then they would die (with equal numbers). They always keep running and running. Mistform addictives I call them.

Sure zerging is a viable strategy. But if you can only win with that, then you are a weak server. I’ve seen no pvp skills worthy yet from Vizu players. Very few of them worth oppenents 1 vs 1. Sadly they hide behind ‘downed, backup, get allies heal, go in again’ strategies. Without it, they are peanuts.

If zergs (will never happen), somehow would be prohibited, Vizunah square will drop in the list so fast, as you would never have seen before. So weak are they in the pvp area.

preps for lot of pissed Vizu players.

If you want me to change my statement, come and fight with smaller groups. And proof those small groups can survive, not run away like you are so good at.

My hero. Me too I’d love to transfer to a server that can’t be beat because of the 24/7 coverage and post about how I’m unbeatable in 1vs1 pvp even if it’s in the WvW topic. I’d just love to post absurd boasts about how I’m the king of pvp even though I can’t prove anything of course. And most of all, I’d love to insult a whole server while at the same time make sure every reader is 100% sure I have absolutely no clue about about anything.

The Internet, such a magical place.

Ianervan.3415:

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BT won every single time exactly because of zerg victory. Get off your high horse. BT isn’t #1 server because it’s the most skilled 1 on 1 but because it outzerged and outtimezoned other servers.

What exactly mean by zerg?

The term is bandied about but many conflate the concepts of mass pvp with “zerg”

I have to admit that it’s getting harder lately for us vizunians to directly face zerg vs zerg.
Funnily enough, i remember us having a discussion about roaming and stating it was less rewarding because we always fought BT “roaming” wich is mainly made by heavy zerg on their way to taking towers or keeps.
So yep, talking about small scale fight…
That being said, i do feel that we lose a lot of 20v20 ~ 30v30 fight against BT.
An explanation to this as it has been said is mainly because our zerg is composed by 10 to 15 guilds with each time different players and different commanders, more or less experencied, meanwhile BT zerg consist in mainly 1 to 4 guild max (always the same, not going to name each one, we all know them) , often with full food buff, good group comp etc
We have very few of those inVS but we still manage to pull our weight in term of score.
I’d like to see yours if the role were reversed.
Anyway, we won’t go to tier 2 this week guys, definitly not

Snort.3698:

What exactly mean by zerg?

The term is bandied about but many conflate the concepts of mass pvp with “zerg”

I guess it depends on the context but what I mostly mean by “zerg” is big numbers without combat tactics. Just to be clear here, every group is going to use some strategy; whether it’s in picking the target objective, when and how to use siege etc. And yes, some guilds are better at this than other guilds, so I don’t mean to offend anyone by saying everyone plays mindlessly.

But what I mean by “combat tactics” is how a group operates once battle starts. Most clashes in WvW (we could say almost all) come down to “do as much damage individually as you can and stay alive”. Rarely do I see skill-chaining and “abuse” of overpowered guardian reflect walls, or strong mesmer Feedback, water fields and other fields, coordinated blasts, spikes 3-2-1 (those who played GW1 know what I mean here).

I mean, even before Phantasmal Berserker nerf I expected Mesmers to group up and spike defenders 3-2-1.. it would be piece of cake to kill them one by one. Or even target siege as a group. I have never seen anyone do this. Or even want to join up doing it.

So I’m not here trying to say people don’t know how to play.. but that the level of attempted and used synergy between players is really low. And I’m not really sure why that’s the case because it happened in all forms of GW1 PvP. Even those casual ones. Is it because WvW is much bigger so at the end of a day all this doesn’t really mean that much? Because in most cases one group is decisively bigger and all this would not really make much of a difference?

Ianervan.3415:

Snort.3698:

What exactly mean by zerg?

The term is bandied about but many conflate the concepts of mass pvp with “zerg”

I guess it depends on the context but what I mostly mean by “zerg” is big numbers without combat tactics. Just to be clear here, every group is going to use some strategy; whether it’s in picking the target objective, when and how to use siege etc. And yes, some guilds are better at this than other guilds, so I don’t mean to offend anyone by saying everyone plays mindlessly.

But what I mean by “combat tactics” is how a group operates once battle starts. Most clashes in WvW (we could say almost all) come down to “do as much damage individually as you can and stay alive”. Rarely do I see skill-chaining and “abuse” of overpowered guardian reflect walls, or strong mesmer Feedback, water fields and other fields, coordinated blasts, spikes 3-2-1 (those who played GW1 know what I mean here).

I mean, even before Phantasmal Berserker nerf I expected Mesmers to group up and spike defenders 3-2-1.. it would be piece of cake to kill them one by one. Or even target siege as a group. I have never seen anyone do this. Or even want to join up doing it.

So I’m not here trying to say people don’t know how to play.. but that the level of attempted and used synergy between players is really low. And I’m not really sure why that’s the case because it happened in all forms of GW1 PvP. Even those casual ones. Is it because WvW is much bigger so at the end of a day all this doesn’t really mean that much? Because in most cases one group is decisively bigger and all this would not really make much of a difference?

So you’re saying its: Prebuff like a boss before the fight then rush in or portal in, then spam as much AoE (damaging/heals) as you possible can and keep spamming/pushing till your enemy is down, and move together to take advantage of culling/AoE capping only 5 players maximum?

Sounds about right to me… so much for “WvW skill”…

Zerg would refer to a disorganized rabble on BT however for the most part that is not the case, guild leaders of guilds of all sizes actively communicate with each other through voice com’s im actually impressed that on BT there is very little elitism when it comes to guilds and everyone has an input no matter how small,. That is one factor in why some disliked the idea of a certain guild joining us on BT and disrupting the harmony.

Im from Heresy and although were small possibly 10-15 max and the majority of our foes either haven’t seen us or heard of us our name is always mentioned by our larger brothers for our commitment and dedication to the fight sometimes we are tasked to scout other times we are re-tasked to support a push or defend our function is always in constant flux and dictated by the battleground.

The one thing i cannot stress enough is the sense of community and feeling of worth on BT there is in fact a lack of mindless zergs on BT mostly every guild has their job to do there are massive guilds and there are small guilds but the key is we communicate with each other and link up immediately with the commander assigned to a BL at any given time on entering and take up orders rather than roam about mindlessly.

Im not saying zergs don’t occur as i believe any server that claims that is fooling themselves there are many casuals who enter WvW from time to time and they tend to just tag along with the biggest group they find and that simply cannot be helped but for the most part BT is organised.

saVdoom.2067:

So you’re saying its: Prebuff like a boss before the fight then rush in or portal in, then spam as much AoE (damaging/heals) as you possible can and keep spamming/pushing till your enemy is down, and move together to take advantage of culling/AoE capping only 5 players maximum?

Sounds about right to me… so much for “WvW skill”…

What I said is what I typed, and what you’re talking about here I’ve no idea. You mentioned so many different things that I honestly don’t get the point.

• Of course you’re going to ideally “prebuff like a boss” before the fight. Every skilled player will use as much advantage as possible. That’s why skilled groups run with stuff like Bloodlust and food buffs. And of course, if you’re about to hit the enemy in 5sec you’re going to prebuff yourself with that skill that gives your next x attacks bonus in damage. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say, that this is bad?

• Of course you’re going to rush in or portal in. You want to surprise the enemy so they don’t prebuff, and so they become disoriented.

• Of course you’re going to spam as much AoE as possible. What else would you do, cast one AoE and wait 60sec before another?

• Of course you’re going to keep spamming/pushing till your enemy is down. Im not gonna bring him to 30% hp and then say “ok now it’s your turn to hit me”.

• Of course an organized group is going to “move together”. What else would they do, split and each charges different corner of the map?

• Not sure what culling has to do with all this and who mentioned that? It’s not my fault the game has issues, but I certainly won’t advise guilds to go on a borderland in groups of 3 players because anything more than that might cause culling.

• AoE 5-limit comment makes even less sense. First of all, the limit is a good mechanic and second of all, who was talking about that?

I mentioned group synergy and you started raving about every single thing that bothers you in WvW.

There’s a maximum of 150 players per server per map. If your server can’t field these numbers during primetime in a tier 1 matchup, then it seems to me that the problem lies with your server.

“Zerg” is just a crappy excuse.

Nah, you can easily win if you have zero players during prime time as long as offtime is covered. Prime time is usually shared/split between 3 servers (or at least 2), while during offtime you can pull 600-700 points per hour.

That’s why people talk about zerging. Almost all guilds (ok, all guilds I know except Xaoc) always have organized gameplay in the evening during prime time. You don’t really hear someone saying “guys, tomorrow 10am our guild meets for WvW time”. Weekend not counting of course. So what you have in off-time is few people from this guild, few people from that, few pugs.. and what you get is basically a zerg. It’s not going to be some high level of organization. But that zerg is what essentially wins games. Others can have great battles and have lots of fun. Others can kill tons of enemy players and play really good. But in the end, it’s mostly about how well offtime zerg does.

Ianervan.3415:

What I said is what I typed, and what you’re talking about here I’ve no idea. You mentioned so many different things that I honestly don’t get the point.

You completely misunderstood my post sadly. I was actually agreeing with you and adding that atleast, for me, those sort of combats in open field here at gw2 are resumed to the points i mentioned earlier, and quite honestly its not hard to pull those, it takes very small coordination/skill actually. And those kind of strategies, which are the way to go in here since they are the most effective, degenerate the game leading to where zergs prevail, like you said yourself:

“So I’m not here trying to say people don’t know how to play.. but that the level of attempted and used synergy between players is really low.”

It is really low because it is not necessary.. unfortunately.

I really like the way you are playing [RG] and fortunatly for us (I don’t mind, because i don’t care about the score), you are mostly roaming xD

Was very good action 2-3k kills. I confess myself a little disappointed with arborstone after hearing about all these solid guilds who roam alone etc. MOS LNM option etc. Was very excited for some guild vs guild with some stepping up to kill us alone.

Guess my expectation for the glorious death was long shot. Here was me expecting some guild vs guild not bring everyone in zone, big guilds included vs 20/25.

Looking forward to rest of week.

Sacrx.6721:

Was very good action 2-3k kills. I confess myself a little disappointed with arborstone after hearing about all these solid guilds who roam alone etc. MOS LNM option etc. Was very excited for some guild vs guild with some stepping up to kill us alone.

Guess my expectation for the glorious death was long shot. Here was me expecting some guild vs guild not bring everyone in zone, big guilds included vs 20/25.

Looking forward to rest of week.

Well, what’s your point exactly ?
You did n’t expect to die and you’re a bit disappointed about that ?

Because so far I see how you play (and you guys actually flood the web with RG’s video), and you felt no pain when outnumbered your opponent and when you zerg solo player don’t you ?

So what did you expect ?
That people still play the way you exactly want from them, allowing you to use your 1 button-zerg technics ?

Nobody is playing alone, even yourself. Maps are small and objectives are common.
Sorry we did n’t came with 10 men party to die in a 3vs1 battle.

Guess my expectation for the glorious death was long shot

Yep.. wipe vs mostly PU group isn’t very glorious indeed.

CIR (not CiR, not Cir, if you want to nitpick) is having a lot of fun in WvW. It’s challenging and enjoyable to fight against VS and AS. Thats all we’re interested in, and we’ll take this over any steamroll week like the previous matchup.

Thanks for all the great fights, see you on the field!

Sacrx.6721:

Was very good action 2-3k kills. I confess myself a little disappointed with arborstone after hearing about all these solid guilds who roam alone etc. MOS LNM option etc. Was very excited for some guild vs guild with some stepping up to kill us alone.

Guess my expectation for the glorious death was long shot. Here was me expecting some guild vs guild not bring everyone in zone, big guilds included vs 20/25.

Looking forward to rest of week.

Sacrx none of our guilds are playing with 30 or + members. So it’s impossible to fight you in Guild vs Guild.

Tempest we’re 10-15. So, we’re helping LNM and other’s on our map to beat you.

I saw you yesterday, u’r game, sorry to say that, is boring. 30+ man in a moving turtle, spamming auto-attack (/1) and having the benefit of 5-man max in aoe/gtaoe. The hardest thing in fight is to see you with clipping… and… move behind your turtle.

10 men with multi-boxing and a G19 may have the same teamplay of Red Guard.

Sacrx.6721:

Looking forward to next week where hopefully seafarers will be here along with arborstone. what would be even better is if the viz guilds joined arborstone. lets try get in same zone most of week.

Sacrx.6721:

I confess myself a little disappointed with arborstone

sick ! it’s a sad love triangle story … ;(

But we still love you, so we are always here. :blush:

random VS.