Guild Wars 2

Worban.1574:

Zulubeast,

I’ve always admired your posts and respected your logic. It is certainly sound in many areas. As much as I might be tempted to challenge you on one point, that is not the reason for my post because as usual, you make some keen observations.

You do rant a lot about how weak we are, all the mistakes we make both in WvW performance and how we react to it. You elaborate in great detail all of the things that are wrong with our server and how great others are. You also keep bringing up the point that good servers DO something about their weaknesses. That’s all fine and good.

But I don’t hear any suggestions from you. That is why I am posting this reply to you. We have a fairly well-publicized server alliance website up and running now where suggestions for improvement are more than welcome. It’s also the place to air grievances with what we’re doing/how we’re performing.

So I ask this of you, please. The next time you feel inclined to go on (what I recognize as a very objective) bashing of our own server, highlighting all of its faults, would you please do us the courtesy of making one or two recommendations on what to DO towards improvement?

Like I said, I respect your opinions a great deal and think you’re hitting the nail on the head with a few points, but come on. I can only hear how much we suck from someone for so long until I start yearning for answers that address what we SHOULD do when we do move up a bracket. This is where our server discussion needs to be focused, not just pounding on negativity all the time without addressing the question…what do we need to do to prepare for the next level of warfare?

I tend to look at the positive side. I think we are almost ready for it. Not quite, but very very close and perhaps we’ll be ready before the next reset if we plan and prepare accordingly.

I have constantly, through these own forums, given suggestions (via the DHA thread, which most if not all my points were ignored and breezed over). I used to sit on vent constantly and talk strategy as you well know, but it got to the point where it was the zerg way or the highway for most decisions, which was just so frustrating to hear. I understand that the zerg was awesome at night and there was no reason to change it, but when the time came when someone rebounded and fought us at night (aka SoR) none of my suggestions of upgrading, setting up useful counterseige was taken and instead we’d just trade keeps with them when we could’ve taken keeps while defending the ones we took quite easily.

The problems with our commanders (not all, you’re fine yourself) is that they’re so one minded and don’t realize how much influence that dot on the map really is. They’re almost always quiet and when they do something, it’s almost an exact word-for-word copy of what I’ve said to them in whisper. While I really don’t give a kitten whether I get credit for these ideas, the fact that we get nothing done under these commanders until someone /whispers them is frustrating in so many ways.

I’ve always given advice for any scenario, general or specific, in some way or another whether it was warranted or not, because I do want DH to succeed, but I did not see that happening in the way we were “moving forward.”

Arius.7031:

runeblade.7514:

Anvil Rock and Fregusson crossing are terrible WvW servers. I am not surprised ever.

Now, was that really necessary? Was there even a point to saying that? It doesn’t help anything.

It helps explains why Anvil Rock and Fregusson are being steamrolled.

runeblade.7514:

Arius.7031:

runeblade.7514:

Anvil Rock and Fregusson crossing are terrible WvW servers. I am not surprised ever.

Now, was that really necessary? Was there even a point to saying that? It doesn’t help anything.

It helps explains why Anvil Rock and Fregusson are being steamrolled.

A month of free transfers to high tier servers explains why Fergy and Anvil are being steamrolled.

Norns.5837:

It was fun while it lasted! Guess I’ll have to wait 6 days to play wvw again…

You my friend are what is wrong with our sever. So many fair weather players and so many people that only know how to play in zergs. People like you and those that have the same mentality are pathetic. Learn to play ur class and stop depending on zergs to accomplish something!

Zulubeast.8519:

I have constantly, through these own forums, given suggestions (via the DHA thread, which most if not all my points were ignored and breezed over). I used to sit on vent constantly and talk strategy as you well know, but it got to the point where it was the zerg way or the highway for most decisions, which was just so frustrating to hear. I understand that the zerg was awesome at night and there was no reason to change it, but when the time came when someone rebounded and fought us at night (aka SoR) none of my suggestions of upgrading, setting up useful counterseige was taken and instead we’d just trade keeps with them when we could’ve taken keeps while defending the ones we took quite easily.

I have made the same suggestions in-game.

Some day it will click, and that will be the day we start really coming together as a server.

I think having some overarcing themes to our gameplan would be helpful too. Being able to defend what we take is absolutely imperative. I think the zerg portion of our gameplay is pretty decent, but it is only one facet to a well rounded plan.

Even without strict organization, if we all focused on the same basic tenets, we could really have some success.

1. Our zerg tactics are fine, mostly. They could use improvement but for now we should focus on other things.

2. Defend what we take. Upgrade keeps and towers with the most effective upgrades for the supply (reinforced walls/gates especially). Things like guard upgrades may simply be a waste of supply/money right now, but we can always experiment too.

3. Defend supply camps and send escorts out with the dolyaks to make sure those upgrades can actually happen.

If we start our base game on these principles, then I think we can really start to look at improving. When we have these basics down, then we can start honing them and introducing more advanced tactics. But if we could get this going server wide in WvW, we wouldnt even need direct communication during action. We would all already know what to do, and how to go about it.

So there ya go, some suggestions.

I LOVE when people on the winning server say ‘l2p’ or $uck it up. Because when you’re outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1, and the enemy has +15% hps and +150 stats it’s SO easy right. I’m sure people in huge zergs with massive buffs think they have l33t skillz and feel free to criticize people playing 6 days at a disadvantage. Anyone can zerg, and honest people know it’s neither skill or anything else at that point.

Morpeth.5318:

I LOVE when people on the winning server say ‘l2p’ or $uck it up. Because when you’re outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1, and the enemy has +15% hps and +150 stats it’s SO easy right. I’m sure people in huge zergs with massive buffs think they have l33t skillz and feel free to criticize people playing 6 days at a disadvantage. Anyone can zerg, and honest people know it’s neither skill or anything else at that point.

Of course, a proper zerg takes skill and coordination.

That being said, WvW is almost entirely a numbers game. If you have greater numbers, you are going to win pretty much no matter what. There are exceptions, like every rule, but it will really only be for a single battle and not the entire “war.”

Also, getting better and learning from your play is a good thing. Getting frustrated at the suggestion is pointless. Rise above it, eh? We all have room for improvement, no matter the tier.

“A month of free transfers to high tier servers explains why Fergy and Anvil are being steamrolled.”

And the reason they left is because Fergy and Anvil are terrible servers.

runeblade.7514:

“A month of free transfers to high tier servers explains why Fergy and Anvil are being steamrolled.”

And the reason they left is because Fergy and Anvil are terrible servers.

Or because of people like you and your terrible attitude.

Zulubeast.8519:

I have constantly, through these own forums, given suggestions (via the DHA thread, which most if not all my points were ignored and breezed over). I used to sit on vent constantly and talk strategy as you well know, but it got to the point where it was the zerg way or the highway for most decisions, which was just so frustrating to hear. I understand that the zerg was awesome at night and there was no reason to change it, but when the time came when someone rebounded and fought us at night (aka SoR) none of my suggestions of upgrading, setting up useful counterseige was taken and instead we’d just trade keeps with them when we could’ve taken keeps while defending the ones we took quite easily.

The problems with our commanders (not all, you’re fine yourself) is that they’re so one minded and don’t realize how much influence that dot on the map really is. They’re almost always quiet and when they do something, it’s almost an exact word-for-word copy of what I’ve said to them in whisper. While I really don’t give a kitten whether I get credit for these ideas, the fact that we get nothing done under these commanders until someone /whispers them is frustrating in so many ways.

I’ve always given advice for any scenario, general or specific, in some way or another whether it was warranted or not, because I do want DH to succeed, but I did not see that happening in the way we were “moving forward.”

Fair enough, Zulu. I do acknowledge that you did in fact try, in vent and game chat to nudge our leaders/players to wake up and do things differently/better. We’ve had a basic alliance webpage up for a few weeks now, but it was just a basic, starter template with no custom design and simple forums with virtually no activity. That is because everyone who knew about it was waiting on me to finish the new design, giving it much more functionality.

I was lazy the last two weeks because WvW was so intensely fun. I took advantage of this slow, dominant week to finish the task. Well almost, I still have to finish the landing, welcome, home page to include a description of who we are, a mission statement and a list of our member guilds. But after registering and logging in (where all content is hidden from the public), you can see all the new features and activity is starting to happen there. Rest assured, people are listening there now.

Others, including Caliburn (another solid DH Commander, imo) are starting to make really good suggestions for our server that are insightful as your observations. I’m of the opinion we can all learn from each other, whether folks are GLs/Commanders or not. But it’s not just about discussing our problems. I want to see us put these ideas into actual practice on the battlefield and I assure you and every other DH player that I will commit myself to lessons learned in those discussions. I am only one person, so that statement does not carry tremendous weight. But if everyone is on the same page, and we can rally our server to not just be play-when-we-win WvWers, I think we can be ready for the next tier.

Please give our newly vitalized server forum another chance. Many have been waiting for this, before they really got involved with it. Now that it’s mostly finished and we’re announcing its completion on server chat, we expect it to really take off and accomplish its goal of getting us and all of these ideas together in one place.

And thanks for your comments too, Tuluum! I agree that your suggestions are spot-on. Now if we can just put them into practice, we’ll be rockin’! If you wouldn’t mind, please copy and them to the relevant thread on our alliance website. I will pm you the url if you don’t have it.

Runeblade you really seems to an issue with Anvil Rock. You seems to know a lot about us, do you play with us? Because to say such thing, you have to be with us right?

Kardiamond.6952:

Runeblade you really seems to an issue with Anvil Rock. You seems to know a lot about us, do you play with us? Because to say such thing, you have to be with us right?

I have no issues. I made an observation analyzing by the scoreboard and using my first hand experiences, and then suddenly Fergy and Anvil people get defensive and speaks, “Do you have an issue with us?”. I have no issue with both of them.

My server steamrolled both of them combined, they pose no challenge against us. I quit WvW because they bored me to death. It shows that WvW is nothing more but a running simulation and whack a mole.

If you really want to regain your pride, tell your server to get better a WvW. If either server beat Darkhaven, my opinion will change.

Darkhaven spurred SoR into action, it’s as simple as that. We are currently matched up against two very well organised servers and the scoreboard is still close. Not as close as our match last week but still very close. We learned from our mistakes last match and adapted ourselves. These adaptations are keeping us from being steamrolled this week and it is thanks to Darkhaven that we learned to guard what we capture. When you guys go up against Northern Shiverpeaks or Yaks Bend next week you better be prepared. They are extremely formidable servers with a heavy defence strategy. Be prepared to place plenty of siege to defend and spend plenty of money on upgrading, there is no room for complacency in the next rank. Surprisingly there is only one reported hacking incident in our match this week which is great imo.

I’m not here to gloat or cause drama, I thoroughly enjoyed fighting your lot in our previous matches and felt It would be a friendly gesture to warn you that our match last week was like childs play compared to this week. If you want a challenge, you’re going to love it. If you prefer capping unguarded objectives or zerging small unorganised servers you’re going to be in for a shock. Me personally, I’m loving every minute in this match, the opponents just keep getting tougher and we need to adjust our strategy at every turn.

You outnumber us 3 to 1, how are we supose to get better and beat you? Really man? Why dont you switch with us, and try your tips.

Come try it, if it works I will owe you. Everyone think it just a matter of “learn to play” “come on newbs”. Just come try it.

runeblade.7514:

Kardiamond.6952:

Runeblade you really seems to an issue with Anvil Rock. You seems to know a lot about us, do you play with us? Because to say such thing, you have to be with us right?

I have no issues. I made an observation analyzing by the scoreboard and using my first hand experiences, and then suddenly Fergy and Anvil people get defensive and speaks, “Do you have an issue with us?”. I have no issue with both of them.

My server steamrolled both of them combined, they pose no challenge against us. I quit WvW because they bored me to death. It shows that WvW is nothing more but a running simulation and whack a mole.

If you really want to regain your pride, tell your server to get better a WvW. If either server beat Darkhaven, my opinion will change.

The only thing your server has is the consistency to rally zergs 24/7. Quantity over quality right? Maybe that’s why you’re stuck with fighting other servers a couple of tiers below yours. DH has more WvWvW guilds, very true. But it doesn’t change the fact that there really isn’t any awesome guilds or players that I’ve noticed out in the battle field as of now. Enough with your implication as to why your server is “steamrolling” us, it’s the numbers. So after a very brief moment of observation of WvWvW you concluded that DH is better then FC and AR? Well.. This is my observation of DH (been doing WvWvW everyday now with 6hours minimum daily). With weapon seiges, 2 to 1, and 3 orbs of power, DH still can’t beat FC in open field battles. Nuff said. And when I say weapon seiges, i mean Arrow carts, catas, ballis, Fire rams, and alpha golems, cannons and trebs. (lol yeah…)

Your observation is full of holes and ignorance. With the mindset like that, cya in 2 weeks.

LOL darkhaven you guys are just pathetic I had about 20 min left before i’m going to sleep so told my friend hey lets jump in wvw real quick log in to a couple people spawn camping us and there was 2 other ferg fighting them at our gate we killed them a couple of times they killed us was going back in forth and then like 12 of you show up and start building arrow carts LOL so pathetic but war is war do what you like have fun in next bump up on friday I hope they do the same to you in return. Oh and keep up your chest pumping because ya AR and Ferg we don’t have much of a wvw at all so feel pround that you can roll us RARRRR!!! LOL

runeblade.7514:

“A month of free transfers to high tier servers explains why Fergy and Anvil are being steamrolled.”

And the reason they left is because Fergy and Anvil are terrible servers.

I would have to say its the people that jump ship and go to the winning servers that are to blame here not the server itself in most cases!
Have no respect for such people, but I do have quite a bit of respect for these players in these underdog servers that stick with it even when its a very lopsided match.

Also you have to consider in all fairness some servers may not have a decent size wvwvw player base regardless of the overall population?

ya it was fun But trying for the poi and vis i try and give up. sad i’m at 93% for the world map. but ya ty for the buff. as for the camping are spawn point do you have to go that low to keep us in are spawn. i wish they would add if you spawn camp you Lose karma for the sever like about -5%.

Apocalypse.5239:

ya it was fun But trying for the poi and vis i try and give up. sad i’m at 93% for the world map. but ya ty for the buff. as for the camping are spawn point do you have to go that low to keep us in are spawn. i wish they would add if you spawn camp you Lose karma for the sever like about -5%.

I refuse to spawn camp think its very tacky, recall being on the receiving end of spawn camping and there was 4 of us and 15+ of them we just sat in our invulnerable area and poked out now and then to hit when we could.

Needless to say it got very old quick.

Many of DH’s good WvW guilds haven’t been in there almost all week, it’s not a fun match up. We really wished you guys had more numbers because that first night had some great battles. Don’t think that those spawn camping goons are all we have to offer on DH.

I know EXE hasn’t been in WvW all week and I honestly have barely logged in. Such a boring week in WvW and I also refuse to spawn camp…..

Best of luck to you guys come next week though, we just have the upper hand here with our population and guild alliances.

bladie.5084:

runeblade.7514:

Kardiamond.6952:

Runeblade you really seems to an issue with Anvil Rock. You seems to know a lot about us, do you play with us? Because to say such thing, you have to be with us right?

I have no issues. I made an observation analyzing by the scoreboard and using my first hand experiences, and then suddenly Fergy and Anvil people get defensive and speaks, “Do you have an issue with us?”. I have no issue with both of them.

My server steamrolled both of them combined, they pose no challenge against us. I quit WvW because they bored me to death. It shows that WvW is nothing more but a running simulation and whack a mole.

If you really want to regain your pride, tell your server to get better a WvW. If either server beat Darkhaven, my opinion will change.

The only thing your server has is the consistency to rally zergs 24/7. Quantity over quality right? Maybe that’s why you’re stuck with fighting other servers a couple of tiers below yours. DH has more WvWvW guilds, very true. But it doesn’t change the fact that there really isn’t any awesome guilds or players that I’ve noticed out in the battle field as of now. Enough with your implication as to why your server is “steamrolling” us, it’s the numbers. So after a very brief moment of observation of WvWvW you concluded that DH is better then FC and AR? Well.. This is my observation of DH (been doing WvWvW everyday now with 6hours minimum daily). With weapon seiges, 2 to 1, and 3 orbs of power, DH still can’t beat FC in open field battles. Nuff said. And when I say weapon seiges, i mean Arrow carts, catas, ballis, Fire rams, and alpha golems, cannons and trebs. (lol yeah…)

Your observation is full of holes and ignorance. With the mindset like that, cya in 2 weeks.

I never said my server was Darkhaven. I respect Darkhaven, I had a wonderful time battling against them.

Compared to Fergy and Anvil, I need a bigger Flamethrower to flush out the moles hiding in their spawn.

I won’t see you in two weeks, my server is climbing up thanks to your weak server.

Aria.4817:

runeblade.7514:

“A month of free transfers to high tier servers explains why Fergy and Anvil are being steamrolled.”

And the reason they left is because Fergy and Anvil are terrible servers.

I would have to say its the people that jump ship and go to the winning servers that are to blame here not the server itself in most cases!
Have no respect for such people, but I do have quite a bit of respect for these players in these underdog servers that stick with it even when its a very lopsided match.

Also you have to consider in all fairness some servers may not have a decent size wvwvw player base regardless of the overall population?

In your words, Fergy and Anvil are a losing server is the reason why they left.

Aria.4817:

Apocalypse.5239:

ya it was fun But trying for the poi and vis i try and give up. sad i’m at 93% for the world map. but ya ty for the buff. as for the camping are spawn point do you have to go that low to keep us in are spawn. i wish they would add if you spawn camp you Lose karma for the sever like about -5%.

I refuse to spawn camp think its very tacky, recall being on the receiving end of spawn camping and there was 4 of us and 15+ of them we just sat in our invulnerable area and poked out now and then to hit when we could.

Needless to say it got very old quick.

ya we both have that view. but we got ppl who love to camp. i never care for it. that’s why i say give them a -5% Karma and the more they camp it go’s up from -5% too -10% that may help to stop there camping who know’s. by the way have you been too the skill point in the north west of the Map. you may have to take a look there some time i had a laugh when saw them over 20+. besure to stop by the wvw when back up. here kitten of what i got from there.

Pangie.3217:

Kodiack.2783:

Here is a little history lesson for you pros in Darkhaven.
Week 1 we were stuck with Yaks’ Bend, currently ranked 13th.
Week 2-3 we were stuck with NSP, currently ranked 15th.
So excuse us in Anvil Rock if we aren’t impressed with your virtual domination of the map. What your fighting now are the die hards that wont’ quit and jump ship to a winning server.
Here’s another tip. You’re bragging about beating up on the lower 25% of the entire server list. Nobody is impressed.
-K

But I will admit that Arius jumped the gun with saying DH won this week.

Again?

He’s a slow learner, apparently…

Well if you check the ranking tool posted on this forum, This math up is the worse match up of all.

NA and Europe together, kitten that hurts

Aria.4817:

runeblade.7514:

“A month of free transfers to high tier servers explains why Fergy and Anvil are being steamrolled.”

And the reason they left is because Fergy and Anvil are terrible servers.

I would have to say its the people that jump ship and go to the winning servers that are to blame here not the server itself in most cases!
Have no respect for such people, but I do have quite a bit of respect for these players in these underdog servers that stick with it even when its a very lopsided match.

Also you have to consider in all fairness some servers may not have a decent size wvwvw player base regardless of the overall population?

to be fair, as far as i know, anvil’s main wvw guilds, who transfered (i think 3 of them already), did not move to a winning server on their bracket.

MVP left first, went toa server who is in 3rd on points. TFO moved to a server who is top of their bracket but, Not sure how they are doing atm. And ANV is on a server that is second place on points in there current match up. So 2/3 are currently not on top of their tier servers atm. But also have no clue how TFO is doing. So to say the guilds moved to winning servers isnt exactly true.

FractalChaos.6539:

Pangie.3217:

Kodiack.2783:

Here is a little history lesson for you pros in Darkhaven.
Week 1 we were stuck with Yaks’ Bend, currently ranked 13th.
Week 2-3 we were stuck with NSP, currently ranked 15th.
So excuse us in Anvil Rock if we aren’t impressed with your virtual domination of the map. What your fighting now are the die hards that wont’ quit and jump ship to a winning server.
Here’s another tip. You’re bragging about beating up on the lower 25% of the entire server list. Nobody is impressed.
-K

But I will admit that Arius jumped the gun with saying DH won this week.

Again?

He’s a slow learner, apparently…

You shouldn’t assume negatively about people you’ve had problems with in the past. I never once said we were going to win in a serious way, and the person you’re quoting and I came to an understanding on that point. So please, stay on the topic and please read before commenting.

I said in the opening post essentially, “good luck but Darkhaven is going to win”. It’s like in sports where someone says “good luck but you’re going down”, I wasn’t being serious, I was trying to create a friendly competitive atmosphere.

Arius I know what you mean and personnally I have no problem with that.

It just the context that make it harder for people, since you are saying something like that while you are stomping both other server.

Bash.7291:

MVP left first, went toa server who is in 3rd on points. TFO moved to a server who is top of their bracket but, Not sure how they are doing atm. And ANV is on a server that is second place on points in there current match up. So 2/3 are currently not on top of their tier servers atm. But also have no clue how TFO is doing. So to say the guilds moved to winning servers isnt exactly true.

You are still leaving an undernumbered server, for a server that have a night team ( that’s what nonomnom said). That mean you are joining a server with a fairly good population already. This is the kind of move that make match up worse!

Kardiamond.6952:

Arius I know what you mean and personnally I have no problem with that.

It just the context that make it harder for people, since you are saying something like that while you are stomping both other server.

I see your point and you’re absolutely right. I just think Fractal Chaos should have taken two things into account:

1. I’ve already explained that it was not the intention for it to be taken literally (twice).
2. I made this topic soon after the match started when it was all pretty even.

I’ve just had problems with Fractal Chaos in the past, that’s why I’m reacting more poorly to him.

Kardiamond.6952:

You are still leaving an undernumbered server, for a server that have a night team ( that’s what nonomnom said). That mean you are joining a server with a fairly good population already. This is the kind of move that make match up worse!

We still aren’t winning though! Also, the server we moved to actually is mostly Oceanic, but that causes issues were the primetime for the server is changed, so there is still night capping… but it is actually during our day. Also, the leading team still outnumbers us at all times regardless lol But I do agree about making the match ups worse. Honestly Anet needs to remove the bottom 3 servers and roll them into the two above them, then shut off free transfers except to the bottom 3 servers left.

bladie.5084:

The only thing your server has is the consistency to rally zergs 24/7. Quantity over quality right? Maybe that’s why you’re stuck with fighting other servers a couple of tiers below yours. DH has more WvWvW guilds, very true. But it doesn’t change the fact that there really isn’t any awesome guilds or players that I’ve noticed out in the battle field as of now. Enough with your implication as to why your server is “steamrolling” us, it’s the numbers. So after a very brief moment of observation of WvWvW you concluded that DH is better then FC and AR? Well.. This is my observation of DH (been doing WvWvW everyday now with 6hours minimum daily). With weapon seiges, 2 to 1, and 3 orbs of power, DH still can’t beat FC in open field battles. Nuff said. And when I say weapon seiges, i mean Arrow carts, catas, ballis, Fire rams, and alpha golems, cannons and trebs. (lol yeah…)

Your observation is full of holes and ignorance. With the mindset like that, cya in 2 weeks.

First, the guy you’re talking to probably doesn’t even play on Darkhaven.

Second, DH (where I play) has a whole lot of “Fair weather WvWers”, probably more than either of the other two servers…. (maybe they are transfers that just pop around, who knows) but you’re saying DH can’t win an “open field fight”? I’m being completely honest here, I haven’t been in a losing open field fight since the first day… and I’m saying that with sadness… I don’t even think there’s been a “wipe” of a “zerg” while I’m playing. In our last matchup, this actually happened daily! Maybe it’s the new invisible man code? I don’t know… We are not used to having all 3 orbs, maybe it’s that? I’ve broken new records for max damage, so I assume some of these are equipment discrepancies too for whoever we happen to be fighting…

Also, to anyone else who is confused, the OP made the post in the at the beginning of the matchup, game was way up in the air… but he is a mezmer so , it’s really no holds barred.

@Mug
Yeah well we can’t farm player like you, since we have been on a losing streak since the beginning. We don’t have the orb bonus, we didn’t have the PVE boost from controling all the map. So yeah, we are prolly outgeared too.

Always getting killed means always having to repair your gear. When I join WvW I know that if I don’t karma train (hit and running camp), I will prolly pay more in repair then what I will get by looting.

By open field, I think he meant during a fair fight. Yesterday when we fought for a tower, the fight was pretty even. We had some good number and DH too, and each team won some fight and lost some fight. That’s moment like that that make me realize that with number we could put up a pretty good fight!

runeblade.7514:

bladie.5084:

runeblade.7514:

Kardiamond.6952:

Runeblade you really seems to an issue with Anvil Rock. You seems to know a lot about us, do you play with us? Because to say such thing, you have to be with us right?

I have no issues. I made an observation analyzing by the scoreboard and using my first hand experiences, and then suddenly Fergy and Anvil people get defensive and speaks, “Do you have an issue with us?”. I have no issue with both of them.

My server steamrolled both of them combined, they pose no challenge against us. I quit WvW because they bored me to death. It shows that WvW is nothing more but a running simulation and whack a mole.

If you really want to regain your pride, tell your server to get better a WvW. If either server beat Darkhaven, my opinion will change.

The only thing your server has is the consistency to rally zergs 24/7. Quantity over quality right? Maybe that’s why you’re stuck with fighting other servers a couple of tiers below yours. DH has more WvWvW guilds, very true. But it doesn’t change the fact that there really isn’t any awesome guilds or players that I’ve noticed out in the battle field as of now. Enough with your implication as to why your server is “steamrolling” us, it’s the numbers. So after a very brief moment of observation of WvWvW you concluded that DH is better then FC and AR? Well.. This is my observation of DH (been doing WvWvW everyday now with 6hours minimum daily). With weapon seiges, 2 to 1, and 3 orbs of power, DH still can’t beat FC in open field battles. Nuff said. And when I say weapon seiges, i mean Arrow carts, catas, ballis, Fire rams, and alpha golems, cannons and trebs. (lol yeah…)

Your observation is full of holes and ignorance. With the mindset like that, cya in 2 weeks.

I never said my server was Darkhaven. I respect Darkhaven, I had a wonderful time battling against them.

Compared to Fergy and Anvil, I need a bigger Flamethrower to flush out the moles hiding in their spawn.

I won’t see you in two weeks, my server is climbing up thanks to your weak server.

Aria.4817:

runeblade.7514:

“A month of free transfers to high tier servers explains why Fergy and Anvil are being steamrolled.”

And the reason they left is because Fergy and Anvil are terrible servers.

I would have to say its the people that jump ship and go to the winning servers that are to blame here not the server itself in most cases!
Have no respect for such people, but I do have quite a bit of respect for these players in these underdog servers that stick with it even when its a very lopsided match.

Also you have to consider in all fairness some servers may not have a decent size wvwvw player base regardless of the overall population?

In your words, Fergy and Anvil are a losing server is the reason why they left.

Oh so your server went up against Anvil and Ferg already (NSP im guessing).
Here, let me repost with some edits.

The only thing your server has is the consistency to rally zergs 24/7. Quantity over quality right? Maybe that’s why you were stuck with fighting other servers a couple of tiers below yours. Your server has more WvWvW guilds, very true. But it doesn’t change the fact that there really isn’t any awesome guilds or players that I’ve noticed out in the battle field as of now. Enough with your implication as to why your server “steamrolled” us, it’s the numbers. So after a very brief moment of observation of WvWvW you concluded that your server is better then FC and AR? Well.. This is my observation of WvWvW (been doing WvWvW everyday now since pre-launch). All it takes is an invader server with overwhelming numbers to take 3 orbs or power, fortified keeps and SM and demoralize a smaller server and that’s basically it.
Your observation is full of holes and ignorance. With the mindset like that, cya soon.

runeblade.7514:

Kardiamond.6952:

Runeblade you really seems to an issue with Anvil Rock. You seems to know a lot about us, do you play with us? Because to say such thing, you have to be with us right?

I have no issues. I made an observation analyzing by the scoreboard and using my first hand experiences, and then suddenly Fergy and Anvil people get defensive and speaks, “Do you have an issue with us?”. I have no issue with both of them.

My server steamrolled both of them combined, they pose no challenge against us. I quit WvW because they bored me to death. It shows that WvW is nothing more but a running simulation and whack a mole.

If you really want to regain your pride, tell your server to get better a WvW. If either server beat Darkhaven, my opinion will change.

Should prolly remind ya…. The first day, on Ferg we were rolling both ur servers at the same time till u guys made both orbs instantly disappear at the same time… Then finally started winning from 150 stats and 15% health to ur entire server. Get over urself man. On equal ground, we owned u even with ur larger numbers.

He’s not in DH. Must be EB or NSP. Assuming he’s NSP.

alright, here are some tips for anvie and fergie, i wanted to tell these to dovgan but he refused to come to our vent…

1. you guys have the numbers, please stop complaining about it. the reason you run into larger forces is because we tend to rally everyone from all 4 maps when we need to get anything done.

2. you guys simply lack the experience of sieging and defense. say whatever you want but, i have yet to see correctly placed siege weapons both in offense and defense from your end.

3. you guys need to get better in personal pvp, try spvp for a week while ur not doing wvw, it greatly improves your skills. cause when i run into your zergs of 10-20 people, they just sit there or back peddle and get slaughtered, everytime, there is zero cordination among players. no one seemed to understand the improtance of flanking, rushing, and retreating. ask anyone in dark haven, our smaller forces over run your large zergs all the time.

4. play smart, we really dont have that many people you are talking about, as i mentioned earlier, first thing i do as a commander is go to every map and rally people to me, then i open map and look at our top needs, then i send /t a location of the nearest waypoint to everyone and we all port there and begin siege or defense.

5. supplies is one of the most important factor in seiging. before you start on a tower you need to know 1. what kind of defense they have (upgraded doors? siege weapons locations? number of defenders? supply remaining? enemy current zerg location? current fights locations?) you would have to have at least 2 scouts roaming the map getting you the intel before you decide when to take it. once you have enough people to take a tower, make wanna do a supply check, i usualy yell in team chat “supply check press 1 if you have” this way you know how many rams u can make, if enemy has siege on top you might want to get blistas on maybe a cliff that could take over them? think sunnyhills? also, never take a target you can’t take, because losing will demoralize the zerg and waste time. also, before i siege a tower i usually send a small force to distract your main force somewhere far away from you, so i can ram the undefended gates quickly. lastly, you wanna make sure you have a small team of 3-4 people that camps between enemy respawm/waypoint to the location you are attacking, so these guys (roamers) will pick off enemy remainders one by one, have you ever seen a 1v4 and win? exactly.

6. establish well known commanders in your server so everyone listens to him/her, this is very important because small guilds dont run servers, pugs do. by training and leading pugs a commander can do extrodinary things without even been in a guild!

7. coffee is your friend. if you can’t handle the night capping we are doing, drink it and make others do so, so you can stay up all night and fight back. our nightzerg is mainly US players who take a nap after work and wake up around 12midnight and play til 5am. it takes lots of commitment but its worth it.

8. plan a head, before you take a tower you wanna make sure you got supplies, you wanna know if that supply camp guardian has buffs, and when it ends. timing is everything, the longer enemy sees ur crossswords, the less suprise factor in your strategy. never attack anything the enemy is waiting for you to attack, unless its your last target. i always fake attacks and sneak undefended towers/keeps because i know enemy isn’t there so i could ram through gates under 30 seconds.

9. train your pugs to understand the importance of BUILDING siege weapons such as rams asap, i saw lots of un-constructed rams when we fought you. usually a pug pm me and tell me a tower is being attacked, so i tell everyone in my zerg to port to nearest waypoint to defend, it takes 1 minute to do that, by the time we get to the tower 1m30seconds already passed, if you can’t take a tower with reinforced gates under 1m30seconds you might as well not take it. SPEED AND TIMING is everything!!!

10. communication, we have a 200 player slot for everyone that praticipate in wvw, free of charge, also a website with social networking and forums to help players communicate. do you?

11. play a better PR, instead of talking about guilds leaving or whatnot, focus on rallying people up, SOR did a great job at PR last week against us, Keineng is showing a great attitude, you gusy should do the same!

12. a central command center that runs 24/7 to coordinate commanders and keyplayers. if you dont have enough commanders and keyplayers you must train those who are influencial in wvw to be them, heck, you should all pay for that guy to get his commander if he/she knows his stuff.

13. lastly, understand how the point system works, capture a camp before tally timer ends scores you points, capturing it at 9 minutes left leaves a huge threat of not receiving any points due to possible flipping.

i hope these tips can help you guys out, if all guilds left wvw in your server, do this, make a guild and recuit ALL of the pugs that does wvw daily. start your own guild, you guys definately got the numbers.

-the half naked norn of darkhaven

Mug.9403:

First, the guy you’re talking to probably doesn’t even play on Darkhaven.

Second, DH (where I play) has a whole lot of “Fair weather WvWers”, probably more than either of the other two servers…. (maybe they are transfers that just pop around, who knows) but you’re saying DH can’t win an “open field fight”? I’m being completely honest here, I haven’t been in a losing open field fight since the first day… and I’m saying that with sadness… I don’t even think there’s been a “wipe” of a “zerg” while I’m playing. In our last matchup, this actually happened daily! Maybe it’s the new invisible man code? I don’t know… We are not used to having all 3 orbs, maybe it’s that? I’ve broken new records for max damage, so I assume some of these are equipment discrepancies too for whoever we happen to be fighting…

Also, to anyone else who is confused, the OP made the post in the at the beginning of the matchup, game was way up in the air… but he is a mezmer so , it’s really no holds barred.

I admit, i gave FC too much credit for what we deserve in wvwvw. And for that I take back some. You are right, FC is lacking with people coming in wvwv and poking in and seeing what’s happening. Laying down weapon sieges incorrectly and when the time’s not right, it’s laughable (but same can be said w/ DH). I don’t think you understand how OP having 3 orbs of power and when the dominating server has it, it’s like a reward for them dominating. 150+ all stats and 15% more HP. I’ve never lost a legit field battle (but this is coming from me, rolling with my guild). I’ve seen DH losing field battles from left to right as well, and when they have 3 orbs of powers, that’s kinda bad. Same things can be said back and forth but the truth is DH DOES have more people and these people are way more WVWVW orientated. You are right, it’s true that we have the population to fill up WvWvW. But that’s just numbers based off of the server. The reality and harsh fact is that we don’t. As my first post stated earlier of why and how DH was able to night cap everything when FC was in fact winning the first 2-5ish hours. Things can be misunderstood when you’re dominating so hard where it looks like your server is the great at doing what they’re doing. You said they’re good at coordination and teamwork with knowing the basics at least to do WvWvW right? When a server gets dominated so fast and hard within 24 hours, It’s pretty obvious where the enemies are going to go and what they’re going to do. Therefore you can just pull up your map, see where the battles at (usually only 1 or 2 going on) and go there. Easy as that, to muster up a zerg. I may be right, i may be wrong, but this is just one of the very few reasons how someone may think they’re server is far superior then another’s. Just ask yourself why you’re stuck fighting with two servers completely different tiers from yours. But don’t get me wrong , Dark Haven is without a doubt stronger then FC and AR, and the score shows it (no sarcasm intended.)
For the reason why FC seems dead in WvWvW as of now. Haven’t you ever been dominated or are losing and then your server stop logging on all of a sudden cuz you know that no matter how much you try, it’s not going to change anything? Yeah that’s how FC is right now. It’s still no excuse for being completely dead though. But this is what the general players are thinking with such a low morale.
When everyone’s winning, everyone’s there at the frontline, but as soon as they are losing, your allies are nowhere to be found.

Elthurien.8356:

Darkhaven spurred SoR into action, it’s as simple as that. We are currently matched up against two very well organised servers and the scoreboard is still close. Not as close as our match last week but still very close. We learned from our mistakes last match and adapted ourselves. These adaptations are keeping us from being steamrolled this week and it is thanks to Darkhaven that we learned to guard what we capture. When you guys go up against Northern Shiverpeaks or Yaks Bend next week you better be prepared. They are extremely formidable servers with a heavy defence strategy. Be prepared to place plenty of siege to defend and spend plenty of money on upgrading, there is no room for complacency in the next rank. Surprisingly there is only one reported hacking incident in our match this week which is great imo.

I’m not here to gloat or cause drama, I thoroughly enjoyed fighting your lot in our previous matches and felt It would be a friendly gesture to warn you that our match last week was like childs play compared to this week. If you want a challenge, you’re going to love it. If you prefer capping unguarded objectives or zerging small unorganised servers you’re going to be in for a shock. Me personally, I’m loving every minute in this match, the opponents just keep getting tougher and we need to adjust our strategy at every turn.

Ok, bye.

@iii So in your head, we aren’t doing any of those right? We are just running around attacking garrison with 1 ram.

Right

Yesterday is a good example of what we did. We took every player from every borderland, going around and calling them to come to DH borderland. After 10 min of rallying, we still dind’t have the BL full, no queue. So what ever, we will try anyway.

We sent a little team to take camp and win us some time. The other got closer camp and got supply to siege. We did a 2 min siege of our bluebriar tower. Part of us stayed, and the other group went to scout around the Bay.

We had scout roaming around to watch for your zerg. It came from the east keep. They attack bluebriar tower. We hold it as long as we could to hold some time for our siege team.

Sadly you guys already had crazy number going around. Seriously, I saw the zerg and I knew even with everyone in the BL, we couldn’t stop it. Too many people, with Orb buff.

Once the tower felt, our group went north with the siege team in the bay. The outer wall was breatch, they were starting to siege the bay Inner wall.

Destroyed every ennemy siege, placed catapult, ram and ballista. We still were around 20-25 player at that point.

We got the gate to around 70%, then they started repaired it. They had 1700 supply inside, so the gate was goign down really slowly.

There were so many people on the wall defending now, that they wasn’t even rendering for me. The gate was starting to repair itself faster then we could damage it. Our scout called for a group coming from behind. It was over.

Say what you want about the number, but we know it’s not even. Except during primetime (9pm to 12pm if we are lucky) I always get the outmanned buff. And terribly out manned. During the evening, we had about 5 players in DH BL.

I didn’t see any different siege strategy from your server ether? Most of the time, you build cata or trebs, and protect it with your zerg. Since we don’t have time to build defence once we control a tower, and we don’t have the number to get inside your zerg, we are done for. We lost our tower yesterday by your zerg that built 2 ram. Seems pretty basic for me.

Mine to give me example? How can we be more efficient with siege, you are only saying we are doing it wrong, but no explanation.

And like I always say, if it’s so simple, why don’t you tranfer to our server until Friday to try. Free transfer, nothing to lose.

Speaking as one of Darkhaven’s commanders, if I ever see a match-up this lopsided in favor of my server again I will immediately swap to one of the losing servers for the duration of the match-up. I don’t like spawn camping, I don’t like back-capping supply camps and chasing after a few raiders. WvW is utterly boring due to this match-up, and WvW is my main reason for playing this game.

I much prefer to be on the losing side of things. When DH was matched against Yak’s Bend we had a similar situation where YB(TOG and friends) were utterly crushing us. But it was freaking fun to move fast capping camps and looking for the vulnerable tower or keep that we could capture before the inevitable TOG reaction force showed up.

I do have one question for FC and AR. Last friday immediately after the match-up started you guys were both beating DH. You had equal numbers to us, and at least some organization. And then primetime ended and you guys fell apart. I can understand not having a late night force, but your primetime force that beat us on friday never came back. Where did they go? You guys can’t claim that it is just DH numbers beating you. You both had equal numbers to us for a night, they just never came back.

Also, the orb bonuses are ridiculous and need to be removed. The winning side already has momentum, morale and fortified buildings on their side. They do not need a “win-more” mechanic which is what the orbs are currently. Many of my follow Darkhavenites don’t truly recognize that the three orb bonus is what is making FC, and AR players feel so frail and easy to beat in small skirmishes. We are not gods of WvW, and we need to stop thinking like that. We just have the benefit of a ludicrously overpowered buff.

Caliburn nice Text

But yeah, we did hold up early Friday.

But We never had so many people at the same time. I think it’s something about people thinking that maybe for once, we will be able to be competituve. Or maybe just because everybody want to try to caps the empty maps as soon as reset occure.

It’s something that happen on every tier, each friday during reset W3 will be full. Sadly, our population don’t have enought hardcore pvpers to keep it like that all week long.

As soon as your night crew took over and took the control of the map, we lost a lot of player. (the map was all green, it isn’t good for the moral :P)

Fair weather player saw that we lost everything, and just gave up. And we can only have equal number during the evening, between 9pm and 12pm. The fact that we lost one of our top guild (TFO) didn’t help ether. And now this week we lost ANV, so it’s even worse.

In resume, we just don’t have the number to keep it like it was on Friday night. Friday night is a peak in WvW population, but it only happens once a week.

But it’s true that on that friday night, with equal number, we were giving you a pretty good fight Would be cool to always have that!

And those kitten Orbs! I like the idea and all, but once you get zerged, those Orbs just make it worse!

Kardiamond.6952:

@iii So in your head, we aren’t doing any of those right? We are just running around attacking garrison with 1 ram.

Right

Yesterday is a good example of what we did. We took every player from every borderland, going around and calling them to come to DH borderland. After 10 min of rallying, we still dind’t have the BL full, no queue. So what ever, we will try anyway.

We sent a little team to take camp and win us some time. The other got closer camp and got supply to siege. We did a 2 min siege of our bluebriar tower. Part of us stayed, and the other group went to scout around the Bay.

We had scout roaming around to watch for your zerg. It came from the east keep. They attack bluebriar tower. We hold it as long as we could to hold some time for our siege team.

Sadly you guys already had crazy number going around. Seriously, I saw the zerg and I knew even with everyone in the BL, we couldn’t stop it. Too many people, with Orb buff.

Once the tower felt, our group went north with the siege team in the bay. The outer wall was breatch, they were starting to siege the bay Inner wall.

Destroyed every ennemy siege, placed catapult, ram and ballista. We still were around 20-25 player at that point.

We got the gate to around 70%, then they started repaired it. They had 1700 supply inside, so the gate was goign down really slowly.

There were so many people on the wall defending now, that they wasn’t even rendering for me. The gate was starting to repair itself faster then we could damage it. Our scout called for a group coming from behind. It was over.

Say what you want about the number, but we know it’s not even. Except during primetime (9pm to 12pm if we are lucky) I always get the outmanned buff. And terribly out manned. During the evening, we had about 5 players in DH BL.

I didn’t see any different siege strategy from your server ether? Most of the time, you build cata or trebs, and protect it with your zerg. Since we don’t have time to build defence once we control a tower, and we don’t have the number to get inside your zerg, we are done for. We lost our tower yesterday by your zerg that built 2 ram. Seems pretty basic for me.

Mine to give me example? How can we be more efficient with siege, you are only saying we are doing it wrong, but no explanation.

And like I always say, if it’s so simple, why don’t you tranfer to our server until Friday to try. Free transfer, nothing to lose.

for a second i actually thought about it, heck, transfering to anvil will at least secure your 2nd place vs fergies. but…

why would i wanna do that? i already helped the enemy enough…

i never typed that much in a forum and definately not planning to, why would i help someone when all they do is playing the devil’s advocate

if you asked me nicely perhaps i might have considered it for kittens and giggles, but since i dont like your tone,

NO.

plus, i love my server, and they love me.

I wans’t asking for your help, but if you want to convince us that it’s not about number, you should at least try it once.

I’m not asking for perma transfer, I’m asking for a try out. Come try to fight an ennemy that is twice your size outside of 1-2 hour during primetime. You’ll see that even with tactics and communication, it’s hard to come back.

Not gonna lie, this matching wasn’t entirely fair. I only say that because we got dropped (Darkhaven), and even before we went orb hunting… there was alot of people from all 3 sides on reset (in every map). But it felt almost a little easy to kill many from the other two servers while we collected orbs and keeps. I know this will change over time, there’s plenty of people who have to develop there pvp skills. For now though, it’s felt 100% different fighting Ferg’s and Anvil, versus Sanctum + Sorrow’s Furnace (the week prior). I was in since reset (big ugly green banner wielding norn), and our server basically grew + grew + grew that night so I can understand the frustration on the numbers game 2v1 3v1 kinda not fun. But we’re still able to take you guys down 1v2 and 3v7? I don’t expect that to be the case with every match up – but its bound to happen once in a while.

And seriously, the coordinated attacks from our commanders really made the difference from reset. The rest of us are just pvp junkie’s, and yes I’ve had my behind handed to me more than a few times from some ferg’s guys – and why not – I’m going to die many times when we try to split or break your lines (because I overextend far too deep and it costs me sometimes – but most the time you guys turn). Overall, the first night, I think our commander’s just did a great job. After that, it became a numbers game.

We shouldn’t be able to /sleep and line up in front of your base? Seems your servers have many people who give up too fast or transfer.

The only thing i notice that these servers are (were) doing different than the other servers (sorrows furn, sanctum) … when we push your lines – you turn and run, when you should push back harder. The numbers were even … but now there only seems to be *1 group rolling for karma takeovers at each borderland. So kinda makes for a sucky week- I get it.

I’m pretty sure next week, we may be testing out those shoes you wearing if we get bumped up high enough. We’ve had our behinds handed to us more than once by some cough … excuse me I’m yak’ing

@iii I didn’t refuse to come into your Vent, I still have the address written down. Unless you don’t read your PM’s, I was running two groups through a different voice chat.

As far as splitting, killing yaks, starving supply, escorting, we do all of that. Not to the extent that your server does.

Here is a fine example. In AR BL today, middle of the day, we had almost 12 whole people, and we capped all the supply runs on the northern part of the map, both towers, upgraded the supply to try and feed the towers for upgrades. And immediately we had DH taking back both towers. Not one, but both, We had undermanned up the whole time. Of course it wasn’t difficult to see why. And no we cannot beat a 40 man zerg with 12 people. I don’t care how good you think you are at WvW, how good your strategy is, when you have a nearly 4 to 1 disadvantage in numbers in off peak, consider what you have during peak and tell me that siege placement makes any difference at this point in the game.

I don’t think that you can comprehend the reality of the situation in WvW for the other 2 servers because you have never been there. In all honesty the greatest number I have seen in one place for our server this entire match up is MAYBE 20 players. And they usually are rotating maps trying to find any map where you do not have a huge group of players, and it has as of yet not happened. I have not been in one map where I have not had the undermanned buff in the last week.

And if you feel like you are fighting against equal numbers, then you guys are going to have a heck of a match next week, and we’ll see you soon.

Oh and iii, I’m kind of shocked you don’t have bot farms at all three quaggin camps in your list. You may want to add that.

hell Darkhaven has everything. and yet trying to do a Skill point i get killed by 2 Player’s they want everything they can get there hands on. they should just remove all the sp and poi from world vs world.

@apoc
Don’t worry about DH.
We will move up a bracket and get the kittens beat out of us and the week after next be back to fight you all again.