Guild Wars 2

Furey we understand DB fights both DH and NSP the same, I think what most people see during DH’s primetime is that it’s also when most of NSP is on as well. Makes it alittle harder and we can not clean the map like we used too. As for when DB’s numbers are on, there isn’t another servers strong point going. Not complaining since our strong point we still take the lead and clean as much as we can. As for ya’lls numbers for Na primetime, yes everyone can tell there was an influx of estimating 50 players that transfered over to DB last week. I believe the fight would be close and the week could go to anyone until this happened.

Xyre.5429:

Yawn…another week of fending off DB and NSP. All too often I see NSP ignore DB completely and work with them on DH…its almost like NSP isnt even trying for second, but would rather play the kingmaker? I would say DB and DH are fairly even at this point in a straight up server v server fight. NSP must have some deep seeded grudges against DH from spankings in the past

You sir, might be my new hero.

Furey.6734:

Out of curiosity, have you guys been experiencing a little more resistance by DB during NA prime time or is it the same since the 1st match?

A little, but I think DH having a worse NA primetime is more due to burnout from having to push ourselves to counter a couple hours of DB’s off-peak PvDoor.

DB has equal if not greater numbers than NSP and DH during NA prime time now. But for whatever reason they don’t seem to know what they are doing and are very easily pushed around by much lesser numbers. If not for DBs night crew, they wouldn’t stand a chance.

Previous post is a good indication that this threeway match-up has run its course and it’s just fomenting bad blood.

Thanks for that, A-net.

fellyn.5083:

RockonHarder.7235:

fellyn.5083:

Puddin Cheeks.8539:

Sadly playing the same servers every week is extremely boring. Will be glad to see Borlis Pass join our tier next week when NSP drops down a spot. Nothing against you NSP guys but time for some new blood in this tier. Too bad our server doesnt have an even average euro presence or this would never be a contest against the current matchups.

Go DB!

Why would you need more people in the time of day when you guys already run the maps with very little resistance? Your comment doesn’t make any sense.

It’s amusing you guys think you’re so much better than DH or NSP. I honestly hope you guys get your shot in tier 4.

I never thought I’d say this but I’m starting to miss our matchups with Maguuma. Yikes.

P.S. Looking at previous matchups not only has Darkhaven spent more time in higher
tiers than Dragonbrand despite DB at one point in time being in tier 3 but out of the 3 previous times we’ve been matched up against them we’ve beaten them twice so far.

P.P.S. I’m not trying to start a pissing contest but lets be a little realistic here. You guys are getting carried by a night time population that takes over the maps that can close a 10000 point gap in as little as 2 hours. Don’t say it didn’t happen because it did this morning in the hours between 6am and 8am. Before this magic hour hit for DB even NSP was out scoring you. Yes. The server you just dismissed as even being slightly competitive against yours.

A little food for thought.

Dude before you start putting out facts make sure you get them right.

For starters DB was a Tier 2 server. And when i say a Tier 2 server not a was up for a single round then got knocked back down. we were up there for a bit before bouncing back down and back up again.

During that time Darkhaven never once ever even showed up on our radar.

Now to defend the comment by my server mate as to why he may have said what he did… Without any nighttime presence no server will ever have any chance of ever making any major movement in the tiers.

this aspect is the very thing that people look for when choosing servers.

Hopefully we can move past all this negativity that seems to be popping up and just get on with the match. NSP seems to be able to hold their head up high. hopefully Darkhaven can learn from this.

See you on the battlefield

When the 1 week matches started DB dropped in the ranks really quickly.

Also, then you need to tell your fellows on DB to cut the negativity then. They are the ones who are claiming they are so much better than us and dismissing their competition as non-factors when they don’t have any right to do that.

So I just thought I’d point out the facts over the last 10 weeks of competition since the 1 week matches started to settle the argument. My intention was not to say we are better than you guys but to say that perhaps some peoples egos on DB are more inflated than they have a right to be.

And those are hard indisputable facts. You can look them up if you want.

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It’s worth noting that since our most recent matchups with Maguuma we’ve lost several somewhat large guilds to other servers.

During our Match up with Blackgate we lost 2 major Oceaonic Guilds to Blackgate during the actual weekly match up. which in turn lead to us getting bumped down to teir 3.

the following Week we lost 7 of our main WvW guilds to Sea of sorrows which as it turned out we got put up against.

My guild originated on NSP when it was one of the top 3 servers they lost everyone to ET.
we can all pull out our hard luck stories.

the NA guilds do what they can under hard circumstances to stall the other servers until the bulk of our people get on. They should be very proud of what they do under the circumstances.

TheFreshBrew.1958:

Previous post is a good indication that this threeway match-up has run its course and it’s just fomenting bad blood.

Thanks for that, A-net.

It’s when they lie about winning and stuff that pisses me off, they scream out with glory after a won battle when they lost 15 times minutes before that. When they lose they complain about something new every time, nsp actually were suppose to be the more respectful ones. But apparently the constant ownage dish out on a few of these rag dolls when they actually have more or equal to us drives them insane.

@Kelvingts

after three weeks of this nonsense where waking up to oceanic routing NA maps after tough NA prime time battles the night before …it’s beginning to grate on peoples nerves.

I don’t really mind NSP actually taking advantage of our low numbers this morning, but I’m going to have to agree with you on their gloating and spawn-killing. At least they haven’t built any anti-spawn seige …yet.

Spoke too soon, there is seige aimed at the spawn, oops, my bad.

Dragonbrand says lets party we like to have fun in wvw thats the point and yes our bunker squads do help =)

Woot!! as of right now NSP is second.

The amount of complaining and trash talking in this thread is pretty absurd. But I guess that’s how forums usually are.. most people only up when they have something negative to say.

Luckily 99% of the players on our servers practice good sportsmanship and always fight the good fight. The last two weeks have been a pleasure, though I’m looking forward to mixing it up a little with Borlis Pass.

Update on DH in Eternal at 12:30pm server time.
You’ve just finish taking your bl back (lol)
And reports are coming in that DH is literally “pouring” out of their spawn.
Os Guild vs the DH server? Who will win, who can tell.

Game on.

12:33] GoF have 6 men on their keeps gate. But we have a tele (Princess Peach), RIP those guys.

12:45] 2nd attached image. DB are trying to push into NSP land, didn’t happen c:

12:50] See 3rd attachment. DB are pushed out of NSP land and pushed away from SM

13:00] See 4th attached. RE and GoF are working together hard to try and push back NSP.

Stop Fpvp’ing here, save that for PM’s. No one cares about what ticks you off about JP, how you held off the huge zerg, or destroyed it.

We’ve heard it all several months ago. Save gloating for map (or guild preferably) chat once you actually do something.

NSP Server, 30 minutes after reset, no que times.

Who’s crying?

That’s not [GoF] or [RE] guild groups, just players. I don’t think any of DH’s main WvW guilds had a guild group going yesterday.

I wouldn’t talk so much when your guild lost an Omega golem to a cliff inside DH BL’s eastern keep while failing to take it. Our whole server got a good laugh from that.

OS Should come clean out all of their dead members from Langors.

Exedore.6320:

That’s not [GoF] or [RE] guild groups, just players. I don’t think any of DH’s main WvW guilds had a guild group going yesterday.

I wouldn’t talk so much when your guild lost an Omega golem to a cliff inside DH BL’s eastern keep while failing to take it. Our whole server got a good laugh from that.

Not trying to gloat of anything but.
You should really see the amount of Golems we have. We just burned 8 of them in EB lolololol.

I’m sure a few of you can vouch for that.
Gladly do it again anyday.

To the NSP commander D/D ele who laughed after your 4 man group killed me. Give yourself a cookie, couldn’t even bother to 1v1 me

Ninya.3942:

To the NSP commander D/D ele who laughed after your 4 man group killed me. Give yourself a cookie, couldn’t even bother to 1v1 me

If you remember the guild tag I’ll probably know them c:

Don’t quite know what DB guy is talking about…I was in ET till 5am EST yesterday and was there when DB had mendon and pang and you guys never even
Got close to breaking through outer wall let alone inner! Than with less numbers we pushed you guys back finally room pang(great defence on that though btw hats off there) and retook our whole side than hit yours some

Please ignore any attempts at trolling. There are still a lot of us who still want to have a fun battle, win or lose.

Less QQ.. More Pew Pew

Lets all just have fun

Much fun in NSP BL tonight. Good job DarkHaven

Good Job Double teaming Darkhaven NSP and DB today in NSP BL. At first I didnt think it was happening, but when I heard about DB and NSP fighting our zerg instead of fighting eachother when their right next to eachother I thought about it, and when I seen 3 DB camping our natural supply camp, when their area was all NSP, that made me think too. GJ, even though we painted the map, nice try.

I was going to come in here to give props to [RE] and [SE] for their assault on NSP BL today. A golem army that took out Hills, then Garrison was taken too quick for us to react. Then, finally, the last stand at Bay. Got a few screenshots to relive that battle! But alas.

Nothing but mudslinging in these threads with no sense of sportsmanship. Just insults and accusations and trash talk.

Honestly, this is coming from someone who is a bit more unbiased than most of you most likely in this thread. We just transferred our small guild to Dragonbrand from GoM since that server feels completely dead in the past 2 months due to free xfers. Many xferred to Blackgate when that server became a zergy power house and then a lot of guilds went to Borlis Pass during our month+ long matchup with them. It is now only slightly less dead than Eredon Terrace and HoD.

When we first got to Dragonbrand (last Sunday) the NA presence from about 3pm CST to 11pm felt nearly nonexistent. Rofl, there was NSP and DH zergs both hitting our EBG spawn point when we first got there. This Saturday and Sunday were the only days where it felt like there was SOME sort of NA presence. Outside of that we’ve had outmanned buff in nearly every bg most of the time during NA prime time. And yes, I realize DB has a lot of oceanics.

As far as double teaming goes, everyone likes to yell that out, but it generally doesn’t even happen especially not in a matchup as close as this. We run a small 3-8 man group and we were getting sandwiched most of the day between DH and NSP zergs with nearly nonstop fighting going on between us all. There’s been some really good fights so far though.

Littlefeather.8623:

Good Job Double teaming Darkhaven NSP and DB today in NSP BL. At first I didnt think it was happening, but when I heard about DB and NSP fighting our zerg instead of fighting eachother when their right next to eachother I thought about it, and when I seen 3 DB camping our natural supply camp, when their area was all NSP, that made me think too. GJ, even though we painted the map, nice try.

This is how WvW works:

- 3RD PLACE: You may have it the easiest, but be ready to get double teamed. 2nd place wants to keep you there and 1st place will take your stuff IF you’re not that big of a threat just for the sake of point advantage. 3rd will want the “help” of 1st so they can move up.

- 2ND PLACE: Be ready to get double teamed. 1st Place wants to keep you there, and 3rd place wants your spot. You’d want the “help” of 3rd to bring down 1st.

- 1ST PLACE: OMG be ready to get double teamed. both 2nd and 3rd want your spot and probably don’t like you. But ultimately, third place – if they’re far enough behind – will decide who they hate the least and become the “kingmaker”. You want the “help” of 3rd to keep 2nd place there.

So in you’re scenario, you being from DH – you fall into the second example. There is no tactical reason for DB and NSP to fight each other if they don’t have to. Don’t get it twisted, if either of us step on each other’s toes – we will fight, red does in fact equal “dead”. You may not see it, holed up in your tower/keep/garrison, but we do fight each other. The mere fact we are in NSP BL also sets up examples 1 and 3.

This is WvWvW : Be ready to get double teamed. – It’s all about point denial and point advantage. Who to fight when, and what opportunity arises to be taken advantage of.

With that said, perhaps these double teaming theories can be put to rest if they implement the crossed swords from DAoC showing which colors are fighting (e.g: one red sword, one green sword). You don’t really get THAT much info from crossed swords as they stand – I’ve run into many crossed swords where my server isn’t present. Hopefully this is one feature they’ll add in the WvW patch, would add so much tactical information to the WvW map.

Anyway, I’ve enjoyed our match-ups greatly. Props to all sides for showing their mettle in such a hotly contested match-up.

edit: spelling.

FrankieBonez.8361:

Anyway, I’ve enjoyed our match-ups greatly. Props to all sides for showing their mettle in such a hotly contested match-up.

Can you ask danny ly or dann ly or whoever it is how he is doing lately? We missed him today following us around.

I would like to shout out to all those DB defenders whom defended the Quentin Lake tower tonight. I have never seen such awesome defense since ive started playing. We were doomed to be swarmed at one point, but we made both servers pay for every step they made into that tower. That was an amazing fight, and man did I get motivated! No matter who won, that was the most fun ive had in a while! Gj guys!

Mudslinging and Trashtalking?

Then tell me what is it called with 10-15 Db AND 10-15 NSP are fighting side by side killing our Golems infront of Greenbriar. You tell me why DB is camping a supply camp that is closest to our (Bluewater) Spawn on the other side of the map, when they do not event have their area accounted for (Greenvale). You tell me why NSP or DB takes our supply camps when we assault the other teams objectives.

Talk about sportsmanship?…

Oh and on a side note, if yall didnt know, well RE started fight club in GW2, we werent invited to NSP/DB Fight Club in NSP BL today, sad panda.

When we spawn camp or face roll yall, we do it on our own, we dont help NSP or DB. Seems like yall want to make it personal, well its just gonna make me push my faceroll button that much harder when I see yall.

Yes, I am the GS Guardian [that does a /laugh before I down you, and yes I will down you] with a glowing AC GS in the HotW Set that no one has the balls to stand infront of.

Any melee from NSP or DB want to go 1v1? I need a new oil change $20 paypal if any melee wants to try me. I’ll show yall how to PvP.

The mud slinging on all sides is strong in this topic. Can’t we all just get along? I ran dungeons all day today and didn’t get to play much WvW until the last 2 hours but I even ran dungeons with guys from NSPs and DB today. If we can PvE together why can’t we play nice in WvW as well. Just saying.

FrankieBonez.8361:

Littlefeather.8623:

Good Job Double teaming Darkhaven NSP and DB today in NSP BL. At first I didnt think it was happening, but when I heard about DB and NSP fighting our zerg instead of fighting eachother when their right next to eachother I thought about it, and when I seen 3 DB camping our natural supply camp, when their area was all NSP, that made me think too. GJ, even though we painted the map, nice try.

This is how WvW works:

- 3RD PLACE: You may have it the easiest, but be ready to get double teamed. 2nd place wants to keep you there and 1st place will take your stuff IF you’re not that big of a threat just for the sake of point advantage. 3rd will want the “help” of 1st so they can move up.

- 2ND PLACE: Be ready to get double teamed. 1st Place wants to keep you there, and 3rd place wants your spot. You’d want the “help” of 3rd to bring down 1st.

- 1ST PLACE: OMG be ready to get double teamed. both 2nd and 3rd want your spot and probably don’t like you. But ultimately, third place – if they’re far enough behind – will decide who they hate the least and become the “kingmaker”. You want the “help” of 3rd to keep 2nd place there.

So in you’re scenario, you being from DH – you fall into the second example. There is no tactical reason for DB and NSP to fight each other if they don’t have to. Don’t get it twisted, if either of us step on each other’s toes – we will fight, red does in fact equal “dead”. You may not see it, holed up in your tower/keep/garrison, but we do fight each other. The mere fact we are in NSP BL also sets up examples 1 and 3.

This is WvWvW : Be ready to get double teamed. – It’s all about point denial and point advantage. Who to fight when, and what opportunity arises to be taken advantage of.

With that said, perhaps these double teaming theories can be put to rest if they implement the crossed swords from DAoC showing which colors are fighting (e.g: one red sword, one green sword). You don’t really get THAT much info from crossed swords as they stand – I’ve run into many crossed swords where my server isn’t present. Hopefully this is one feature they’ll add in the WvW patch, would add so much tactical information to the WvW map.

Anyway, I’ve enjoyed our match-ups greatly. Props to all sides for showing their mettle in such a hotly contested match-up.

edit: spelling.

Very political of you. A little over a week ago in the first DH/DB/NSP match up it was WvWvW…no server was saying “lets leave them alone” Servers would go where there were points to be taken. After DB lost the first week two things happened for them, they had an increase in active WvWvW guilds to the server and they realized that if they attack NSP consistently for points then NSP will attack them back, and DB can not win if NSP splits their attention to them. This evolved into the new DB “lets leave them alone” strategy.

“So in you’re scenario, you being from DH – you fall into the second example. There is no tactical reason for DB and NSP to fight each other if they don’t have to.”

- Correction: There is no tactical advantage for DB(first) to attack NSP if it means third wont hamstring them out if first, but saying there is no advantage for third to try and get points off first is silly and is really you just politically affirming for NSP on the forums “We wont attack you NSP, stay strong in third while we sit in first, we need you to keep focusing on DH so we can win”.

You are the second DBer to actually say here in this thread for the most part “We are choosing to leave NSP alone” So this ceasefire tactic is obviously something shared among guilds on DB. DHers should not be upset about this at all, if anything it is a compliment for two servers to have a ceasefire on each other in order to hold down the biggest threat. I think the reason most DHers are unhappy is we have seen last week, and even more so this week, NSP and DB keeping noticable distance, and even thread affirmed distance by you and other DBers. On DH, we arent saying, “lets be nice to a server so they wont hurt us”, we are saying “We would rather lose than bend the knee to another server”, and yes, DB agreeing not to attack NSP who are currently kingmaking you, is bending the knee and acknowledging they are granting you the win. You might call it bad strategy on DHes part to keep yelling “every man for themselves!”, but I personally consider it honoring WvWvW.

For my part, I am just glad there is always something to attack or defend. So these past two weeks and even this one have been fun.

Littlefeather.8623:

Mudslinging and Trashtalking?

Then tell me what is it called with 10-15 Db AND 10-15 NSP are fighting side by side killing our Golems infront of Greenbriar. You tell me why DB is camping a supply camp that is closest to our (Bluewater) Spawn on the other side of the map, when they do not event have their area accounted for (Greenvale). You tell me why NSP or DB takes our supply camps when we assault the other teams objectives.

Talk about sportsmanship?…

Oh and on a side note, if yall didnt know, well RE started fight club in GW2, we werent invited to NSP/DB Fight Club in NSP BL today, sad panda.

When we spawn camp or face roll yall, we do it on our own, we dont help NSP or DB. Seems like yall want to make it personal, well its just gonna make me push my faceroll button that much harder when I see yall.

Yes, I am the GS Guardian [that does a /laugh before I down you, and yes I will down you] with a glowing AC GS in the HotW Set that no one has the balls to stand infront of.

Fight club was put off due to an [RE] guild event from what I’m aware. If you want to 1vs1 me you’re welcome to, I’m also a Gs Guardian with a nasty trick up my gauntlets.
But might I remind you what the first rule of fight club is? Never talk about fight club outside of fight club.

I have said how much I dislike DB in the past, and I still do. But I believe we are here to try and win WvW so naturally we put our foot on you and held you down as long as we could (I believe we held your keep in EB for over an hour yestarday).
Dragon are easy and mailable if you have forgotten, we had been stomping them down consistently with our night and morning crew (to no real avail) to the point where I don’t think they wanted to deal with us anymore. After all we dashed 13golems on the inner of their keep in EB on more than one occasion, which they just barely held (terribly fast response time, literally 20 seconds for their zerg was mildly suspicious.)

I wouldn’t ever pass up on the chance to kill a few Dragon.
But I think everyone is too “double team” paranoid.

edit
Just read your previous posts about starting to target NSP more than is required.
You realise that as a night crew commander in EB I only reclaim DH land if it has been taken by DB to put a stem on their point gain.

But you are not the one to make threats, much of the night crew determines the prime time direction of the fight and your night crew from what I’ve seen barely exists. Don’t give me incentive, I don’t think you want to see your keep in NSP hands and tier 3 with trebs hitting your spawn.. Its boring and I’d rather get back to killing Dragon.

FrankieBonez.8361:

The rest of us will continue to enjoy this match-up while you drive yourself mad trying to figure out who your enemy is supposed to be fighting. Happy hunting!

You never replied, did you talk to danny ly(dann ly) yet for me? We weren’t graced by his presence.

I just started WvW and its really, really fun!!! its just a big giant extreme battle that goes back and forth between DH and DB.. I havent seen NSP yet, lol.. And i dont mind the trash talking or whatever. It just makes our rivalry more intense,

Quednau.7390:

Quednau.7390:

big giant extreme battle that goes back and forth between DH and DB.. I havent seen NSP yet, lol.. And i dont mind the trash talking or whatever. It just makes our rivalry more intense,

between DH and DB.. I havent seen NSP yet, lol

hasn’t seen NSP yet…

lol

NSP, what are you doing? not attacking DB? lol

That post I quoted wins this thread. The simplicity of it…it’s so innocent…yet it proves everything DB and NSP have said in this thread(about double teaming), have been complete lies

Xyre.5429:

Very political of you. A little over a week ago in the first DH/DB/NSP match up it was WvWvW…no server was saying “lets leave them alone” Servers would go where there were points to be taken. After DB lost the first week two things happened for them, they had an increase in active WvWvW guilds to the server and they realized that if they attack NSP consistently for points then NSP will attack them back, and DB can not win if NSP splits their attention to them. This evolved into the new DB “lets leave them alone” strategy.

“So in you’re scenario, you being from DH – you fall into the second example. There is no tactical reason for DB and NSP to fight each other if they don’t have to.”

- Correction: There is no tactical advantage for DB(first) to attack NSP if it means third wont hamstring them out if first, but saying there is no advantage for third to try and get points off first is silly and is really you just politically affirming for NSP on the forums “We wont attack you NSP, stay strong in third while we sit in first, we need you to keep focusing on DH so we can win”.

You are the second DBer to actually say here in this thread for the most part “We are choosing to leave NSP alone” So this ceasefire tactic is obviously something shared among guilds on DB. DHers should not be upset about this at all, if anything it is a compliment for two servers to have a ceasefire on each other in order to hold down the biggest threat. I think the reason most DHers are unhappy is we have seen last week, and even more so this week, NSP and DB keeping noticable distance, and even thread affirmed distance by you and other DBers. On DH, we arent saying, “lets be nice to a server so they wont hurt us”, we are saying “We would rather lose than bend the knee to another server”, and yes, DB agreeing not to attack NSP who are currently kingmaking you, is bending the knee and acknowledging they are granting you the win. You might call it bad strategy on DHes part to keep yelling “every man for themselves!”, but I personally consider it honoring WvWvW.

For my part, I am just glad there is always something to attack or defend. So these past two weeks and even this one have been fun.

You are absolutely correct, i too share the same idea of WvWvW as yourself. But – our idea of WvW isnt the way WvW works with the current system in place. The scoring system determines who’s who in the matchup and also lends itself to scoring management which in tern leads to strategies based on scoring which finally leads to one of the three servers getting “double-teamed.”

This is the nature of the 3 faction system coupled with a scoring system with a time limit. You have to pick and choose your battles depending on what is most advantageous to your score – if it means a so-called “ceasefire” between 2 of the 3 so they can both benefit – then thats what it is.

The “ceasefire” could happen between 2nd and 3rd to bring down 1st, but if 3rd is too far behind, theres no advantage for them in doing so as they still have to beat the servers above them. What IS advantageous to 3rd is if 1st denies points to 2nd long enough to close the gap so 3rd is in reach of 2nd. But guess what, they are now in 2nd and have to fight 1st and 3rd to stay there and the cycle continues all the way up 1st.

Should 3rd grab points where they can in order to close that gap? ABSOLUTELY!! But their rise in rank also comes at the expense of current 2nd place server in the form of points denial, which has to be done by 1st and 3rd. In order for them to take 2nd, the current holder has to have less income than 3rd. Of course, this all depends on how wide the gaps are between the three scores.

Now if the scores were razor thin throughout the week between the three servers, where a keep or tower could make the difference on who ends up in what place, then things would be insanely different and much closer to our idea of WvWvW, more of a free-for-all.

Like i said, you are absolutely correct in your reply, but unfortunately that is the nature of the system in place.

testing if you can see this please quote it and disregard

ShadowSoljer.6524:

testing if you can see this please quote it and disregard

why would we do that

Xyre.5429:

Sigh…let me correct this again

-First “does not need” to fight third “IF” third is doing them the favor of kingmaking them.
- Second MUST fight first and third IF third has decided not to fight first.
- Third CAN FIGHT WHO THEY WANT, instead of focusing on second when they are completely occupied with first, especially when there are less objectives to capture and points to be had, third could easily focus on first while they are occupied with second.

Currently, NSP would rather hit DH while we are occupied with DB than mow over DB BL, which is whatever…but saying NSP just has to fight DH is silly, they should be trying for FIRST, not second and that comes by taking the easiest and most points. Currently they are fighting for the scraps of DH that DB is leaving them. I wish you would stop making it out like thirds only route to second or first is by getting points off second… You might as well just come out and say “NSP we will work on getting you second if you ignore DB in first and stay focused on DH” and there is only one thing to be said about that:

“A lame lion is a nicely controlled enemy”

I wonder if you will get that

Noted, and i did laugh at that.

DB: 73 968 +300
DH: 70 047 +215
NSP: 65 287 +180

Those are the current scores as per Millenium

Whoever lands in 2nd still has to deal with both servers, 3rd still has to overcome 2nd and 1st, and 1st still has beat back 2nd and 3rd as we are all within striking distance of each other. No matter which way it goes, someone is going to get double teamed or the perception of a double team will happen at this point which was the purpose of my initial post. lol

I honestly have/had no intentions of a"cease-fire" between DB and NSP, I come from the DAoC days of “red=dead”. But that’s just me, and as far as i know a large majority of DB’s WvW population I’ve come to know and run with on a nightly basis. We have no bias on who we fight but we do have tactical priorities, any server would be foolish if they didn’t.

My first example is one server is always going to be double teamed as that is by design, my second example factors in the scoring system and how the gap in scores plays a factor on who attacks who.

I guess my examples were based on larger score gaps – but your examples apply more to the current score. Like i said before, you were absolutely right lol.

This match-up is getting hot!

ShadowSoljer.6524:

You never replied, did you talk to danny ly(dann ly) yet for me? We weren’t graced by his presence.

I don’t know who that is :/

RockonHarder.7235:

fellyn.5083:

Puddin Cheeks.8539:

Sadly playing the same servers every week is extremely boring. Will be glad to see Borlis Pass join our tier next week when NSP drops down a spot. Nothing against you NSP guys but time for some new blood in this tier. Too bad our server doesnt have an even average euro presence or this would never be a contest against the current matchups.

Go DB!

Why would you need more people in the time of day when you guys already run the maps with very little resistance? Your comment doesn’t make any sense.

It’s amusing you guys think you’re so much better than DH or NSP. I honestly hope you guys get your shot in tier 4.

I never thought I’d say this but I’m starting to miss our matchups with Maguuma. Yikes.

P.S. Looking at previous matchups not only has Darkhaven spent more time in higher
tiers than Dragonbrand despite DB at one point in time being in tier 3 but out of the 3 previous times we’ve been matched up against them we’ve beaten them twice so far.

P.P.S. I’m not trying to start a pissing contest but lets be a little realistic here. You guys are getting carried by a night time population that takes over the maps that can close a 10000 point gap in as little as 2 hours. Don’t say it didn’t happen because it did this morning in the hours between 6am and 8am. Before this magic hour hit for DB even NSP was out scoring you. Yes. The server you just dismissed as even being slightly competitive against yours.

A little food for thought.

Dude before you start putting out facts make sure you get them right.

For starters DB was a Tier 2 server. And when i say a Tier 2 server not a was up for a single round then got knocked back down. we were up there for a bit before bouncing back down and back up again.

During that time Darkhaven never once ever even showed up on our radar.

Now to defend the comment by my server mate as to why he may have said what he did… Without any nighttime presence no server will ever have any chance of ever making any major movement in the tiers.

this aspect is the very thing that people look for when choosing servers.

Hopefully we can move past all this negativity that seems to be popping up and just get on with the match. NSP seems to be able to hold their head up high. hopefully Darkhaven can learn from this.

See you on the battlefield

Seems to be just a few people in DH that do not like the concept that we actually have a nighttime presence. Complaining about it is like complaining about the game working as it was designed. I agree though, all the negativity is getting VERY old.

Lord Aargadon.4135:

Stop Fpvp’ing here, save that for PM’s. No one cares about what ticks you off about JP, how you held off the huge zerg, or destroyed it.

We’ve heard it all several months ago. Save gloating for map (or guild preferably) chat once you actually do something.

Just imagine how bad chat would be if servers were actually allowed to talk to each other in the wvw maps. I’m LOL just thinking about it.

I thought if you near the Character name you could message them.

TheFreshBrew.1958:

Previous post is a good indication that this threeway match-up has run its course and it’s just fomenting bad blood.

Thanks for that, A-net.

That’s just the competitive nature of PvP. I witnessed the same behavior in GW1 for 7+ years in GvG, ect. In fact, WvW kinda reminds me of the rivalry between the Luxons and Kurzicks in the Jade Quarry and Fort Aspenwood faction maps.

FrankieBonez.8361:

Xyre.5429:

Sigh…let me correct this again

-First “does not need” to fight third “IF” third is doing them the favor of kingmaking them.
- Second MUST fight first and third IF third has decided not to fight first.
- Third CAN FIGHT WHO THEY WANT, instead of focusing on second when they are completely occupied with first, especially when there are less objectives to capture and points to be had, third could easily focus on first while they are occupied with second.

Currently, NSP would rather hit DH while we are occupied with DB than mow over DB BL, which is whatever…but saying NSP just has to fight DH is silly, they should be trying for FIRST, not second and that comes by taking the easiest and most points. Currently they are fighting for the scraps of DH that DB is leaving them. I wish you would stop making it out like thirds only route to second or first is by getting points off second… You might as well just come out and say “NSP we will work on getting you second if you ignore DB in first and stay focused on DH” and there is only one thing to be said about that:

“A lame lion is a nicely controlled enemy”

I wonder if you will get that

Noted, and i did laugh at that.

DB: 73 968 +300
DH: 70 047 +215
NSP: 65 287 +180

Those are the current scores as per Millenium

Whoever lands in 2nd still has to deal with both servers, 3rd still has to overcome 2nd and 1st, and 1st still has beat back 2nd and 3rd as we are all within striking distance of each other. No matter which way it goes, someone is going to get double teamed or the perception of a double team will happen at this point which was the purpose of my initial post. lol

I honestly have/had no intentions of a"cease-fire" between DB and NSP, I come from the DAoC days of “red=dead”. But that’s just me, and as far as i know a large majority of DB’s WvW population I’ve come to know and run with on a nightly basis. We have no bias on who we fight but we do have tactical priorities, any server would be foolish if they didn’t.

My first example is one server is always going to be double teamed as that is by design, my second example factors in the scoring system and how the gap in scores plays a factor on who attacks who.

I guess my examples were based on larger score gaps – but your examples apply more to the current score. Like i said before, you were absolutely right lol.

This match-up is getting hot!

Dont get me wrong, I think DB is making the smart strategic choice…much of my analysis is directed at NSP’s decision making not DBs. Fun times

For all of you complaining about being double teamed, and this goes for my own server as well, please read the following article by Mike Ferguson released back in February of this year. As you will see, this is a game mechanic they intentionally designed as stated in the very first paragraph. Just imagine how much more this could be a game changing mechanic if guilds, commanders, ect. started organizing outside of these forums or within the game. Cross alliances between servers and/or guilds could actually bring a whole new perspective to WvW.

http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-ferguson-on-guild-wars-2-world-vs-world

RockonHarder.7235:

I thought if you near the Character name you could message them.

If you have them as a target, you can actually see their name and yes, you can message them. I have yet to message anyone from another server, although I have received some pretty hateful ones myself. Turns out most people do not like mesmers very much. Or at least my enemies. I’ve found out that a thief will rage faster than any other class when they get bested. I was referring more to open map chat. That would be quite messy. Wise choice by Anet not opening that can of worms.

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

For all of you complaining about being double teamed, and this goes for my own server as well, please read the following article by Mike Ferguson released back in February of this year. As you will see, this is a game mechanic they intentionally designed as stated in the very first paragraph. Just imagine how much more this could be a game changing mechanic if guilds, commanders, ect. started organizing outside of these forums or within the game. Cross alliances between servers and/or guilds could actually bring a whole new perspective to WvW.

http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-ferguson-on-guild-wars-2-world-vs-world

What it does sadly is promotes the idea of two less organized servers ganging up on a more organized server causing the weight of sheer numbers(2 servers on 1) to force the server that was more organized to lose, which then in turn causes loss of moral and with server transfers, mass exodus. Something both DB and DH have been subject too. Sound like a rewarding system?

“Two teams can gang up to counter a more dominant third team, a dynamic that simply isn’t possible with only two opposing factions.”

I also do not think he meant it the way you are taking it, currently DB(you) are in first, not only that, but you won last week, you would be considered the dominant server in his statement, yet 1st and 3rd are still working against 2nd…that is not what his example is illustrating.