Guild Wars 2

As exposed by a thread on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/101dcl/werent_the_24hour_matches_supposed_to_prevent_this/

http://i.imgur.com/X6WXb.jpg

A certain guild has been exploiting the free world transfers to spy on other servers in their match up causing them to always be a step ahead of any battle plans. Why is this sort of thing allowed to go on? As you see in the picture posted the notorious guild leader is seen standing opposite his guild with a green name, no shame and no pride to be found. They are also known to do this is many other MMOs as discussed in the thread, please Arenanet dont let this MMO fall victim to their dirty tactics.

I don’t see an issue with spies. I mean, this is war after all. We have people in the US military who spy on other countries. So what is the problem here?

Well there you go! If only ET hadn’t cheated, they would of lost!

Sarcasm??????????????

I would also like to add that Maximumpanda specifically stated in this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/SoS-lets-form-an-alliance/first#post126333 that by their set of “rules” they kick anybody from the guild who is caught spying or cross realming. So I ask if you are reading this, will you kick your own guild leader in light of this evidence?

who cares? You lost anyway, i am sure the guy just transferred to take a screen shot from the enemy side

The problem is free world transfer. It not only creates problem in WvW, things like resource node farming is also “exploited”.

provided nothing can stop people from buying another copy of the game and spy on opposing servers. That screenshot is rather a shamelessly distasteful for the guild in question, which I believe, is exactly what they want to appear in public.

Lowell.7615:

I would also like to add that Maximumpanda specifically stated in this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/SoS-lets-form-an-alliance/first#post126333 that by their set of “rules” they kick anybody from the guild who is caught spying or cross realming. So I ask if you are reading this, will you kick your own guild leader in light of this evidence?

There’s a difference between taking a troll screenshot (which i find that screenshot hilarious due to its absurdity) and someone spying to relay information.

Though i will state, that spying is most likely going on in all the top servers and that it is has been part of any major mmo with a world pvp component.

Most of the complaining seems to be just people trying to find something to complain about instead of fighting. You do realize there’s 3 ways out of your spawn right? As well as 3 other borderlands you could fight in?

Gavello.2813:

Lowell.7615:

I would also like to add that Maximumpanda specifically stated in this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/SoS-lets-form-an-alliance/first#post126333 that by their set of “rules” they kick anybody from the guild who is caught spying or cross realming. So I ask if you are reading this, will you kick your own guild leader in light of this evidence?

There’s a difference between taking a troll screenshot (which i find that screenshot hilarious due to its absurdity) and someone spying to relay information.

Though i will state, that spying is most likely going on in all the top servers and that it is has been part of any major mmo with a world pvp component.

Most of the complaining seems to be just people trying to find something to complain about instead of fighting. You do realize there’s 3 ways out of your spawn right? As well as 3 other borderlands you could fight in?

This screenshot is merely to show that they are not as strict of their rules as they say (lying). If you read in the thread I put along with the picture there is many cases in other MMOs where they are known to spy. Why wouldn’t this case be any different?

Who cares though? It’s a Zerg guild taking in any and everyone. Do you really think anyone has any respect for them?

I’d also like to add, why would Ruin need to spy at this point in time? Eredon Terrace owns everything on the map. Not only that, you get sword symbols on the map that show you were action is currently at.

Do you also believe that Eredon Terrace is only doing this? I’m 100% sure that people on HoD, SB, and JQ do this. The thing that is different, it seems like Ruin could care less about their public reputation where as the other major guilds do care about their public reputation and refuse to admit that they also do this kind of stuff.

Piccolo.7296:

I’d also like to add, why would Ruin need to spy at this point in time? Eredon Terrace owns everything on the map. Not only that, you get sword symbols on the map that show you were action is currently at.

Do you also believe that Eredon Terrace is only doing this? I’m 100% sure that people on HoD, SB, and JQ do this. The thing that is different, it seems like Ruin could care less about their public reputation where as the other major guilds do care about their public reputation and refuse to admit that they also do this kind of stuff.

I don’t doubt it, but why should they have free run of exploiting the system? If they want to flaunt their corruption they should just be removed. You know what they say, the nail that sticks out gets hammered.

willwill.9318:

who cares? You lost anyway, i am sure the guy just transferred to take a screen shot from the enemy side

Thank you, its not like the match is mathematically impossible for you to take back so he was taking a screen shot. But hey, whatever excuse you need to make so you feel better sir.

Oh, the golem conga line was divine.

Lowell.7615:

Piccolo.7296:

I’d also like to add, why would Ruin need to spy at this point in time? Eredon Terrace owns everything on the map. Not only that, you get sword symbols on the map that show you were action is currently at.

Do you also believe that Eredon Terrace is only doing this? I’m 100% sure that people on HoD, SB, and JQ do this. The thing that is different, it seems like Ruin could care less about their public reputation where as the other major guilds do care about their public reputation and refuse to admit that they also do this kind of stuff.

I don’t doubt it, but why should they have free run of exploiting the system? If they want to flaunt their corruption they should just be removed. You know what they say, the nail that sticks out gets hammered.

How are they exploiting the system? Because they transferred to your server and started to recruit? What’s the difference in doing that and just making a new character on said server they want to recruit from?

Piccolo.7296:

Lowell.7615:

Piccolo.7296:

I’d also like to add, why would Ruin need to spy at this point in time? Eredon Terrace owns everything on the map. Not only that, you get sword symbols on the map that show you were action is currently at.

Do you also believe that Eredon Terrace is only doing this? I’m 100% sure that people on HoD, SB, and JQ do this. The thing that is different, it seems like Ruin could care less about their public reputation where as the other major guilds do care about their public reputation and refuse to admit that they also do this kind of stuff.

I don’t doubt it, but why should they have free run of exploiting the system? If they want to flaunt their corruption they should just be removed. You know what they say, the nail that sticks out gets hammered.

How are they exploiting the system? Because they transferred to your server and started to recruit? What’s the difference in doing that and just making a new character on said server they want to recruit from?

Again go read the reddit thread, a former Ruin leader just made a post highlighting their corruption and spying. They are exploiting the free transfers to allow them easy victories in WvW.

ruin is just doing it to have fun, because clearly there is no fun for ET players in WvW when ET outnumbers the opposition 10 to 1 except when it is 5 a.m. Which is sad, because ET is a medium population server.

What i cant understand though is why would a guild leader go to spy, he only went to recruit probably.

Also if someone is actually spying they can just choose “Stand Down” from guild options and have the guild name not displayed next to their name? AM i right?

so please i would suggest to post something constructive and keep blame game to a minimal, this would do no good to anyone.

Thanks and i do not mean to offend anyone in any way.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/101u7k/a_warning_about_ruinous_read_before_you_think_of/

Here is better evidence taken from a former Ruin leader.

Piccolo.7296:

I’d also like to add, why would Ruin need to spy at this point in time? Eredon Terrace owns everything on the map. Not only that, you get sword symbols on the map that show you were action is currently at.

Do you also believe that Eredon Terrace is only doing this? I’m 100% sure that people on HoD, SB, and JQ do this. The thing that is different, it seems like Ruin could care less about their public reputation where as the other major guilds do care about their public reputation and refuse to admit that they also do this kind of stuff.

However, you might want to eliminate JQ from the blame here. I am currently on JQ and, even though HoD and SBI are teaming up on us, we still choose to fight them and hold our own. They do seem to be doing all sorts of dirty tactics and, if you notice, SBI is learning HoD’s tricks because HoD chooses not to attack them as much as they attack JQ.

I was in jade quarry a few nights ago. Doing WvW with [PiE] and them. It was loads of fun even though we were on the losing side it was still great. Just gotta keep at it and keep fighting. We held our own for quite sometime. Teamwork and communication is the key to victory in WvWvW. Regardless of exploits and all that other bullkitten. If everyone in one server actually communicated and actually layed down tactics things may be diffrent. I look at world vs world as a RTS on steroids.

http://i.imgur.com/fGJqu.jpg

It’s been what, 4 hours now? What are they gaining from this? :(

I don’t think it really counts as spying if SoS can’t even leave their spawn.

From that reddit thread I think they said he was there trying to recruit players for ET night defenses.

Toxia.3401:

http://i.imgur.com/fGJqu.jpg

It’s been what, 4 hours now? What are they gaining from this?

They have everything to gain. By dominating the map they get more points and get more buffs. It also means they get more points so they’ll likely be ranked higher than the losing server in the top 3 server match up.

There isn’t a reason NOT to spawn camp once you’re able to. There’s no benefit to actually fighting over positions. There’s no reason to LET you’re opponents leave their spawn, especially if you’ve dumped money into into upgrading keeps and towers, you don’t want to let the enemy out to try and take them back.

It’s a design flaw, really.

Though, I think SoS or IoJ COULD escape if they actually got all 100+ people into EB and pushed out together. Eventually ET would be overwhelmed. The only problem is SoS and IoJ have lost all motivation to queue. That lack of motivation may carry into next week causing more loses, and eventually they either wont queue at all, or they’ll transfer servers to join one of the powerhouses.

I don’t know what ANet can do to fix it but as long as there are 4 powerhouse servers there will be at least one crappy match up per week.

What actually is the story behind that image is ET beats the crap out of SoS, which has been cheating with flight hacks for the past half week. After it becomes apparent that even if ET handed over all territories to SoS and stopped playing for the rest of the week, SoS could never win, Ruin’s leader heads over to SoS’s server to take a picture of the golem group from SoS’s perspective. SoS then uses this one screenshot to invent a convoluted explanation for their own terrible performance.

ruin PR train coming through…

*note: before this starts, i usually lay things out a little nicer but i’ll be frank with you
so lets go to the list.

1. we are not cheating, we are however recruiting. at this point we GAIN NOTHING by trying to spy on you. when this was taken you literally had +0 points. recruiting is also not cheating or exploiting, its a fact of life in wvw.

2. the guy from reddit who claims he was a ruin leader. never a leader in our organization. he was one of towellie’s fans who had officer in the fan guild. he was using his power as an officer to push his live stream on our members. we slapped him on the wrist and told him to stop being a child…. and the post thats on reddit showed up. AGAIN HE IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN A RESPECTED MEMBER OF OUR ORGANIZATION.

3. if we were spying on you.. would we really send our guild leader of all people over wearing the most used guild tag in the game to go and advertise in chat that he was from eredon terrace? (try and muster up those 2 brains cells to realize why this wouldnt work) ark is there to take screenshots, and recruit neither of which is against the TOU

i think that covers most of the arguments here.. *sets up chair and popcorn

maximumpanda.5178:

ruin PR train coming through…

*note: before this starts, i usually lay things out a little nicer but i’ll be frank with you
so lets go to the list.

1. we are not cheating, we are however recruiting. at this point we GAIN NOTHING by trying to spy on you. when this was taken you literally had +0 points. recruiting is also not cheating or exploiting, its a fact of life in wvw.

2. the guy from reddit who claims he was a ruin leader. never a leader in our organization. he was one of towellie’s fans who had officer in the fan guild. he was using his power as an officer to push his live stream on our members. we slapped him on the wrist and told him to stop being a child…. and the post thats on reddit showed up. AGAIN HE IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN A RESPECTED MEMBER OF OUR ORGANIZATION.

3. if we were spying on you.. would we really send our guild leader of all people over wearing the most used guild tag in the game to go and advertise in chat that he was from eredon terrace? (try and muster up those 2 brains cells to realize why this wouldnt work) ark is there to take screenshots, and recruit neither of which is against the TOU

i think that covers most of the arguments here.. *sets up chair and popcorn

Mate, I think your guilds rep has been soiled enough. You say your guild wouldn’t prevent us at least trying in another thread, but changed your mind here? Your leader is trying to recruit Oceanics to your server, I think that is the very definition of hindering our efforts.

No one cares what you have to say. Your guild is a joke. You use cheap tactics and your “guild leader” proves it. Don’t be too upset because you’ve been exposed.

Kelthos Doombringer.9032:

maximumpanda.5178:

ruin PR train coming through…

*note: before this starts, i usually lay things out a little nicer but i’ll be frank with you
so lets go to the list.

1. we are not cheating, we are however recruiting. at this point we GAIN NOTHING by trying to spy on you. when this was taken you literally had +0 points. recruiting is also not cheating or exploiting, its a fact of life in wvw.

Mate, I think your guilds rep has been soiled enough. You say your guild wouldn’t prevent us at least trying in another thread, but changed your mind here? Your leader is trying to recruit Oceanics to your server, I think that is the very definition of hindering our efforts.

No one cares what you have to say. Your guild is a joke. You use cheap tactics and your “guild leader” proves it. Don’t be too upset because you’ve been exposed.

I don’t know if recruiting on your server is hindering your efforts. He’s not forcing people to transfer, he’s not giving away the position of tactics of your server. He’s saying ET need night time WvWers and figures your server might have some.

I do, however, think taking advantage of the free server transfers and being able to get into WvW (I thought there was a lockout period) is a little questionable. Recruiting in lions arch map chat is one thing but doing in in WvW seems like insult to injury.

lolitsage.2185:

Plague.5329:

What actually is the story behind that image is ET beats the crap out of SoS, which has been cheating with flight hacks for the past half week. After it becomes apparent that even if ET handed over all territories to SoS and stopped playing for the rest of the week, SoS could never win, Ruin’s leader heads over to SoS’s server to take a picture of the golem group from SoS’s perspective. SoS then uses this one screenshot to invent a convoluted explanation for their own terrible performance.

Hold up, are you accusing SoS of using flight hacks? If so thank you for making my day, 10/10 would read again for a good laugh.

If they aren’t using flight hacks I’d love to see a video of how they got a treb to the left of the waterfall at their base. I have never seen anyone get up there before. I’d be genuinely interested in see a “how to video”. Is it even possible for enemies to get up there?

This screenshot merely proves Eredon Terrance is even more bored with WvWvW then SoS and IoJ lol

Its a joke obviously, but it is distasteful

TheAltarBoy.3176:

lolitsage.2185:

Plague.5329:

What actually is the story behind that image is ET beats the crap out of SoS, which has been cheating with flight hacks for the past half week. After it becomes apparent that even if ET handed over all territories to SoS and stopped playing for the rest of the week, SoS could never win, Ruin’s leader heads over to SoS’s server to take a picture of the golem group from SoS’s perspective. SoS then uses this one screenshot to invent a convoluted explanation for their own terrible performance.

Hold up, are you accusing SoS of using flight hacks? If so thank you for making my day, 10/10 would read again for a good laugh.

If they aren’t using flight hacks I’d love to see a video of how they got a treb to the left of the waterfall at their base. I have never seen anyone get up there before. I’d be genuinely interested in see a “how to video”. Is it even possible for enemies to get up there?

They can jump to it…but there is an actual screenshot floating around that shows different individuals from SoS flying; it’s how we lost the north keep and wildcreek earlier in the match.

hindering your efforts in our definition are:
actively leading your pugs away from your server leaders
actively spying on you
actively using your siege ineffectively so you cant
actively using your supply to build flame rams next to your supply points inside your towers.

we have done none of these that directly effect your ability to do WvW. the big kids realize that to win in WvW you need an army.. and to raise and army, you need to recruit.. you can be mad all you want that we do it, but there is nothing that says we cant, and your lying to yourself if you claim we are the only ones who do.

you can bring on the big kid words about our organization and what we do, but come to the realization that this is just a fact of life in WvW, and recruiting is just a necessity to compete. if you have looked at any of my posts i have not looked to even remotely hide the fact that we recruit and apologize for absolutely nothing. we will however fight against accusations of cheating as it is both illogical and hilarious to us, coming from a server that have been actively documented to use flying hacks.

Kelthos Doombringer.9032:

No one cares what you have to say. Your guild is a joke. You use cheap tactics and your “guild leader” proves it. Don’t be too upset because you’ve been exposed.

A perfect example of most of the community; it doesn’t matter what might be logical, nothing can change a person’s mind when emotions are involved.

This thread really only goes to help Ruin, they couldn’t care less about your crying. Personally I respect them more for not bowing to public opinion. If I didn’t have a guild to run I might ask to join them.

TheAltarBoy.3176:

lolitsage.2185:

Plague.5329:

What actually is the story behind that image is ET beats the crap out of SoS, which has been cheating with flight hacks for the past half week. After it becomes apparent that even if ET handed over all territories to SoS and stopped playing for the rest of the week, SoS could never win, Ruin’s leader heads over to SoS’s server to take a picture of the golem group from SoS’s perspective. SoS then uses this one screenshot to invent a convoluted explanation for their own terrible performance.

Hold up, are you accusing SoS of using flight hacks? If so thank you for making my day, 10/10 would read again for a good laugh.

If they aren’t using flight hacks I’d love to see a video of how they got a treb to the left of the waterfall at their base. I have never seen anyone get up there before. I’d be genuinely interested in see a “how to video”. Is it even possible for enemies to get up there?

If you are talking about the place I think you are, the waterfall mountainside just to the left of the northern spawn in Eternal Battlegrounds, just north of Mendon’s Gap, then YES it is possible to CLIMB up to that cliff, no hacks needed. A lot of people have done it, that spot was credited as legit by quite a few people, and I have been there myself this morning while my server was dominating the map to check it out for future reference.

vae victus.7850:

This thread really only goes to help Ruin, they couldn’t care less about your crying. Personally I respect them more for not bowing to public opinion. If I didn’t have a guild to run I might ask to join them.

pm sent for you

and yes, people can get up to those rocks via jumping, but it is not allowed to build siege in areas that cannot be accessed by enemies, im not afraid to say i personally screenshotted and warned people who using these that they were an obvious exploit, and the reasons why, and its just common sense tha tif your faction owns 0% of the map, and this treb survived for 10 hours now… that there is probably a problem with it and it cannot be gotten to.

Sisho.5431:

TheAltarBoy.3176:

lolitsage.2185:

Plague.5329:

What actually is the story behind that image is ET beats the crap out of SoS, which has been cheating with flight hacks for the past half week. After it becomes apparent that even if ET handed over all territories to SoS and stopped playing for the rest of the week, SoS could never win, Ruin’s leader heads over to SoS’s server to take a picture of the golem group from SoS’s perspective. SoS then uses this one screenshot to invent a convoluted explanation for their own terrible performance.

Hold up, are you accusing SoS of using flight hacks? If so thank you for making my day, 10/10 would read again for a good laugh.

If they aren’t using flight hacks I’d love to see a video of how they got a treb to the left of the waterfall at their base. I have never seen anyone get up there before. I’d be genuinely interested in see a “how to video”. Is it even possible for enemies to get up there?

If you are talking about the place I think you are, the waterfall mountainside just to the left of the northern spawn in Eternal Battlegrounds, just north of Mendon’s Gap, then YES it is possible to CLIMB up to that cliff, no hacks needed. A lot of people have done it, that spot was credited as legit by quite a few people, and I have been there myself this morning while my server was dominating the map to check it out for future reference.

SOS and IOJ both had members flying around the map and soloing keeps in the middle of the night without taking down doors or walls. its kinda funny because i attribute our relentless attempts to control the entire map purely due to frustration over this. usually at this point we would kick off our shoes and go do some pve, but ruin doesnt take kindly to people who resort to 3rd party hacks too show off how cool and not 12 years old they are

Piccolo.7296:

I don’t see an issue with spies. I mean, this is war after all. We have people in the US military who spy on other countries. So what is the problem here?

It wouldn’t be so bad if we could catch these spies, try them and execute them. Granted, execution is a bit of an extreme term, but we have no way of combating people who spy, where as in the real world, there are definitely consequences for spying, for the spy and for the country the spy is coming from.

Sisho.5431:

TheAltarBoy.3176:

lolitsage.2185:

Plague.5329:

What actually is the story behind that image is ET beats the crap out of SoS, which has been cheating with flight hacks for the past half week. After it becomes apparent that even if ET handed over all territories to SoS and stopped playing for the rest of the week, SoS could never win, Ruin’s leader heads over to SoS’s server to take a picture of the golem group from SoS’s perspective. SoS then uses this one screenshot to invent a convoluted explanation for their own terrible performance.

Hold up, are you accusing SoS of using flight hacks? If so thank you for making my day, 10/10 would read again for a good laugh.

If they aren’t using flight hacks I’d love to see a video of how they got a treb to the left of the waterfall at their base. I have never seen anyone get up there before. I’d be genuinely interested in see a “how to video”. Is it even possible for enemies to get up there?

If you are talking about the place I think you are, the waterfall mountainside just to the left of the northern spawn in Eternal Battlegrounds, just north of Mendon’s Gap, then YES it is possible to CLIMB up to that cliff, no hacks needed. A lot of people have done it, that spot was credited as legit by quite a few people, and I have been there myself this morning while my server was dominating the map to check it out for future reference.

just to reiterate, YES!!! you can climb up there , there are lots of rocks that are specifcally in order to do it.

but… can you place siege up there? NO@! try to place siege anywhere in the spawn area, even below that point and it wont allow it because of the debuff Anet put in specifically to counter this sort of this… and by this sort of thing i mean building siege in areas that are completely unreachable by enemy players, hence, this spot.

this was done in the beta weekends and unfortunately their notes on it were lost on the beta forums, but just watch, there will be a fix rolling out to it, its been fixed before, and these spots where overlooked due to their location in relation to spawn area debuff that was set by anet.

so by all means, go and build trebs up there, go and siege mendons wall for hours on end un contested when you own 0% of th emap and say “well it doesnt hurt anyone and we arent gaining anything from it”. and then you can explain it to anet when you get banned for exploiting when you knew what you were doing. sitting on a treb for hours while you controlled nothing, thinking “wow, we must have really good defense on this treb, its th eonly thing we own on the whole map”

The whole time people are all ‘spying’ and being sneaky and whatnot.. I am out actually capturing points.

maximumpanda.5178:

you can bring on the big kid words about our organization and what we do, but come to the realization that this is just a fact of life in WvW, and recruiting is just a necessity to compete. if you have looked at any of my posts i have not looked to even remotely hide the fact that we recruit and apologize for absolutely nothing. we will however fight against accusations of cheating as it is both illogical and hilarious to us, coming from a server that have been actively documented to use flying hacks.

I have a thing against spawn camping.

Let’s be honest though. Yes, it’ll cost you money to let opponents break your siege weapons and structures, but camping an enemy spawn with a bunch of golems and ballistas is not a necessity to compete. Plus, I have a feeling that Ruin doesn’t need new recruits since they clearly has the superior number…

It’s called demoralizing the enemy to hinder competition. While it’s not cheating, it’s poor sportsmanship, and I find it silly to pretend otherwise.

kgptzac.8419:

maximumpanda.5178:

you can bring on the big kid words about our organization and what we do, but come to the realization that this is just a fact of life in WvW, and recruiting is just a necessity to compete. if you have looked at any of my posts i have not looked to even remotely hide the fact that we recruit and apologize for absolutely nothing. we will however fight against accusations of cheating as it is both illogical and hilarious to us, coming from a server that have been actively documented to use flying hacks.

I have a thing against spawn camping.

Let’s be honest though. Yes, it’ll cost you money to let opponents break your siege weapons and structures, but camping an enemy spawn with a bunch of golems and ballistas is not a necessity to compete. Plus, I have a feeling that Ruin doesn’t need new recruits since they clearly has the superior number…

It’s called demoralizing the enemy to hinder competition. While it’s not cheating, it’s poor sportsmanship, and I find it silly to pretend otherwise.

your feeling is not reality unfortunately, and we need more overnight crews to sustain the lead we can put on, otherwise it will be the same result over and over. everyone knows that you can put a lead on during the day and fight great, and then lose it all at night when everyone logs off for normal life and you have no one to take over.

also, fyi, spawn camping is mostly done by others wh owant to get kills or something in WvW, Ruin specifically sends people to different locations that are prime targets to set up defenses for attacks that get through the mindless spawn camping.

also, just so you are clear on this, its not spawn camping if 90%of your guys choose to walk straight out of the spawn area into the fray, as opposed to taking the other 4 passages out and avoiding the fight.

please get facts straight

Why are people talking about spawn camping? You have 3 ways to get out of your spawn, deal with it.

kgptzac.8419:

maximumpanda.5178:

you can bring on the big kid words about our organization and what we do, but come to the realization that this is just a fact of life in WvW, and recruiting is just a necessity to compete. if you have looked at any of my posts i have not looked to even remotely hide the fact that we recruit and apologize for absolutely nothing. we will however fight against accusations of cheating as it is both illogical and hilarious to us, coming from a server that have been actively documented to use flying hacks.

I have a thing against spawn camping.

Let’s be honest though. Yes, it’ll cost you money to let opponents break your siege weapons and structures, but camping an enemy spawn with a bunch of golems and ballistas is not a necessity to compete. Plus, I have a feeling that Ruin doesn’t need new recruits since they clearly has the superior number…

It’s called demoralizing the enemy to hinder competition. While it’s not cheating, it’s poor sportsmanship, and I find it silly to pretend otherwise.

you confuse yourself with our actual enemy. bracket 2 is not our playing field. our server is built to fight in the first bracket, there matches are more even because everyone is roughly at the same numbers. unfortunately there are 4 servers competing for the top bracket and thus 1 server will always be sent down to fight the less organized servers.

let me reiterate: YOU ARE NOT WHO WE ARE GEARING UP TO FIGHT. what we do care about is next weeks fight. and we would be lying to ourselves if we thought it would be even remotely as easy as this week has been. by the gods of the dice we were given this opportunity to gear up, reload and prepare for next weeks fight, and we are doing that to the best of our ability, whether it be via recruiting, gearing, and strategy building

also

Pryda.8257:

Why are people talking about spawn camping? You have 3 ways to get out of your spawn, deal with it.

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and just incase you didnt get it ^THIS^ i have watched you lemming your way into us for no reason for a week now and its finally transitioned from funny to very very very sad.

kgptzac.8419:

I have a thing against spawn camping.

Let’s be honest though. Yes, it’ll cost you money to let opponents break your siege weapons and structures, but camping an enemy spawn with a bunch of golems and ballistas is not a necessity to compete. Plus, I have a feeling that Ruin doesn’t need new recruits since they clearly has the superior number…

It’s called demoralizing the enemy to hinder competition. While it’s not cheating, it’s poor sportsmanship, and I find it silly to pretend otherwise.

The reason Ruin needs and wants recruits is so they can actually compete against servers like Henge. Right now ET doesn’t have a strong enough night force (or aussie force or whatever) to stand up to the top three servers. Because of that they get stuck with other servers that have even less of a night presence and end up in the current situation.

If one of the top three servers didn’t exist or if it was 1v1 battles instead of 1v1v1 we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. The issue is because it’s 1v1v1 and there are 4 “top” servers, 3 of the top servers will be in a challenging match up and the 4th server will be stuck with two lower population servers.

No sense of humor, imo…

maximumpanda.5178:

you confuse yourself with our actual enemy. bracket 2 is not our playing field. our server is built to fight in the first bracket, there matches are more even because everyone is roughly at the same numbers. unfortunately there are 4 servers competing for the top bracket and thus 1 server will always be sent down to fight the less organized servers.

let me reiterate: YOU ARE NOT WHO WE ARE GEARING UP TO FIGHT. what we do care about is next weeks fight. and we would be lying to ourselves if we thought it would be even remotely as easy as this week has been. by the gods of the dice we were given this opportunity to gear up, reload and prepare for next weeks fight, and we are doing that to the best of our ability, whether it be via recruiting, gearing, and strategy building

First of all, my server is Crystal Desert and I have no idea which server you guys are camping, so no need to get personal And no, I personally wouldn’t run into a bunch of golems and die hilariously.

Anyway, if it’s your idea that bringing unnecessary amount of force to a spawn camp is a positive recruitment effort, then I hate to break it for you: you are not going to win the appeal of your target audience with that. Yes, I am aware of there are several routes leading out of any spawn area, but it doesn’t change the fact that you brought that amount of force to demoralize your opponents, thus, hindering competition, and generally associate your guild with negative PR.

kgptzac.8419:

Anyway, if it’s your idea that bringing unnecessary amount of force to a spawn camp is a positive recruitment effort, then I hate to break it for you: you are not going to win the appeal of your target audience with that. Yes, I am aware of there are several routes leading out of any spawn area, but it doesn’t change the fact that you brought that amount of force to demoralize your opponents, thus, hindering competition, and generally associate your guild with negative PR.

Well, to be fair, if their target audience is other players that are looking to destroy and demoralize their opponent this is a good way to do it. Same for if their target audience is people that just want to win and don’t care about PR, possitive community image, or anything like that.

There are some people that care about fighting fair, being honorable and being well known. Some people just want to watch the world burn.

The people that complain about their tactics, unethical abuse of game mechanis and attitudes aren’t the target audience. It’s the people that see the screen shots and see all the complaints relative to them. They are generating recruits through negative publicity.

I dont really see it as negative publicity, since RUIN’s explanations are logical while the replies they get are “wah wah cheaters” w/o addressing any of their points

No one is applauding them for anything. That would be good publicity. The sad part is that you can’t see the valid complaints vs the illogical ones. Their PR guy has already admitted that some of the guild leaders actions are questionable at best. Placing a Golem wall at the spawn point when you are winning buy such a large margin is a publicity stunt. I’m sure some people won’t view it as negative publicity, but I know I do.

(just my 2 cents : Once world transfers are not free anymore, also disable transferring to a server that your own server is battling in WvW – once the matchup is over then allow it. Won’t eliminate ‘spying’ if it’s not wanted but will make it harder)