Guild Wars 2

So uh, having been comparing my current WvWvW achievement progress to the values listed at the GW2DB (which have been accurate for every achievement so far, and appear to be accurate for the WvWvW one)

Who the actual hell thought these were doable?

The last rank of Stonemist stands firm again is 500,000 defenses.
Defenses can only happen once every 3 minutes
this is 1.5million minutes
that’s 25,000 hours of nothing but defending stonemist.
1042 days of nothing but defending SMC
2.8 years assuming that you get a defense credit every 3 minutes with literally no stops at all.

There’s also 3 titles tracks that require the same amount of time, but you need to do it for keeps, towers, and supply camps.

One of them requires you to have captured 1 million objectives.
Even at an objective per minute that’s ~17,000 hours

Are these achievements actually meant to be doable?

They are meant to be long-term achievements that very few people, if any, get. It’s why they’re called “Ultimate . . .”

Vayra.3290:

They are meant to be long-term achievements that very few people, if any, get. It’s why they’re called “Ultimate . . .”

I dont think you quite understand how completely impossible it is.

This isnt long term
this is Anet will have shut down the GW2 servers before anyone gets them

500K defenses … that’s not long term lmfao. Nobody will get that. You need to do the same event half a million times. You need to click off the event reward pop up 500K times. Most mouse button MTBFs are lower than that.

I just want to bump this up and ask, has anyone been even CLOSE to completing any one of the achievements under WvW. I mean i’ve been playing since release and I’ve got 1k+ wvw kills playing casually. I imagine more hardcore players are probably at least 20x my amount… so lets say 20,000 kills/250,000 is still another 6 years before anyone gets the killing achievement? Likewise with everything else. Anet really wanted to make these achievements as close to impossible as possible eh.

Lafiel.9372:

I just want to bump this up and ask, has anyone been even CLOSE to completing any one of the achievements under WvW. I mean i’ve been playing since release and I’ve got 1k+ wvw kills playing casually. I imagine more hardcore players are probably at least 20x my amount… so lets say 20,000 kills/250,000 is still another 6 years before anyone gets the killing achievement? Likewise with everything else. Anet really wanted to make these achievements as close to impossible as possible eh.

Red Guard guild leader has around 170k kills.

They have stated that they are meant to take years but I agree that some of them will take, literally, decades.

Nobody will get 500k Stonemist defenses before GW2 shuts down. We’ll be playing GW4 on the Playstation 5 (after the death of the Windows PC) before anyone gets that achievement.

This has been bugging me a bit as well, If they want people to actually go for these titles, they should at least remove a tier, and even that is nearly impossible to have accomplished. :/

I’d say “Ultimate Timewaster” is a fitting title for all those impossible achievments. Either they get reworked, or no one will ever do one.

Shizzlenit.7648:

Lafiel.9372:

I just want to bump this up and ask, has anyone been even CLOSE to completing any one of the achievements under WvW. I mean i’ve been playing since release and I’ve got 1k+ wvw kills playing casually. I imagine more hardcore players are probably at least 20x my amount… so lets say 20,000 kills/250,000 is still another 6 years before anyone gets the killing achievement? Likewise with everything else. Anet really wanted to make these achievements as close to impossible as possible eh.

Red Guard guild leader has around 170k kills.

Must be a higher tier thing. I’ve never heard of anyone with more than 25k in tier 7.

They are considered lifetime achievements.

I do like them though because I wont realistically complete them. If they were completable it would be harder to compare my wvw achievements (it stops keeping track after it is completed).

Also keep in mind that the original guild wars is still running, it is possible some people will have a few of these after 7-8 years.

I would prefer that the devs just add more, maybe split them out so it keeps track like it does now but also gives you titles for each step.

These are in the same vein as the GW1 PvP achievements, which people did eventually get. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh6vTZa_7mk

Also watching that really makes me miss GW1.

I have 3.1k Total Objectives Capped, which I’m very proud of – nowhere near finishing though, not in the slightest… I will not look at this thread again, for fear of being outdone, I like being ignorant that there are hundreds of players who can outdo me on that regard, maybe thousands, I like my little happy safe bubble and juvenile pride ;D

Yeah those achievements are alot harder to get than PvE stuff. I think they felt, hey how else can we take another dump on WvW, I know lets make them get crap rewards and always be broke, make them can substantially less loot drops, make armor repair cost the same as in PvE, make upgrades cost an absurd amount of coin and oh lets make the achievements impossible.

It all depends on how you view achievements.

Completionists want them for completions sake for example. Plenty of players expect to just be able to grind things out.

A casual achievement player wont expect to get them. Instead he’ll just invest his time and one day will find he has an ultimate achievement.

Two different people, one dissatisfied with life, yet the other actually reaping the achievement. Anet has no concern for the sensibilities of it “taking to long”. They designed these achievements the way they did for a reason; their own.

I have over 1780 hrs on my account. Nowhere near completeing any of these.
I think they should be made more realistic because even if they bring in new titles having these take 2.8 years of doing just one thing on-stop no sleep is stupid.

I think your missing some of these Ross. If players spent the next few years focussing on only getting one of these achievements, they still wouldn’t get them. And by “focus on” I mean for real. Quit your job, move your fridge and toilet to your computer, forget about bathing and order your groceries online inbetween achievements and “focus on them”.

Lol, so dolyak hunt is open:Let’s kill 300 a dayto get a title in 5 years!P.s. do not sleep! ;-)

Why do we trust gw2db’s figures for achievement totals?

I mean, this is a website that claims the WvW achievements are Active Guild Member, All You Can Eat, King of the Costume Brawl, Minature Collection, No One Left Behind, Teamwork Gets It Done, and Thirst Slayer.

Syeria.4812:

Why do we trust gw2db’s figures for achievement totals?

I mean, this is a website that claims the WvW achievements are Active Guild Member, All You Can Eat, King of the Costume Brawl, Minature Collection, No One Left Behind, Teamwork Gets It Done, and Thirst Slayer.

Because it’s correct for literally every other achievement.
Also when you track your achievement you can see that you have a %‘age that’s in line with the final rank (which is probably 0 for everything that isnt kills)

People are forgetting they are ‘lifetime’ achievements.

So in 20+ years are they unreasonable? Probably not. Except stonemist defender.

Zenyatoo.4059:

Syeria.4812:

Why do we trust gw2db’s figures for achievement totals?

I mean, this is a website that claims the WvW achievements are Active Guild Member, All You Can Eat, King of the Costume Brawl, Minature Collection, No One Left Behind, Teamwork Gets It Done, and Thirst Slayer.

Because it’s correct for literally every other achievement.
Also when you track your achievement you can see that you have a %‘age that’s in line with the final rank (which is probably 0 for everything that isnt kills)

are you forgetting that some one allready have the last tier in the other achiements(with a few exeptions) so we cant say what the final tier is unless we have someone on the final tier of the wvw achiement unless anet has leaked it out

and some are saying that the server is shout down before it happens it most likely is for defending and attacking SM but some servers of other MMORPG’s have been running in more then 8 years meaning that GW2 can also run that long time

styx.7294:

Shizzlenit.7648:

Lafiel.9372:

I just want to bump this up and ask, has anyone been even CLOSE to completing any one of the achievements under WvW. I mean i’ve been playing since release and I’ve got 1k+ wvw kills playing casually. I imagine more hardcore players are probably at least 20x my amount… so lets say 20,000 kills/250,000 is still another 6 years before anyone gets the killing achievement? Likewise with everything else. Anet really wanted to make these achievements as close to impossible as possible eh.

Red Guard guild leader has around 170k kills.

Must be a higher tier thing. I’ve never heard of anyone with more than 25k in tier 7.

Hes the guild leader of the best killing machine known in this game. That many kills is far from the norm even in the top tiers.

Yikes 25000 hours of defending Stonemist!!!
If you have a real life and are dedicated to SM and spend 4 hours per day (perhaps more during weekends, perhaps less while actually living) doing nothing but defending stonemist (that’s if there are attackers to repel…).
This will take you 17 years to complete (20 years if you’re successful a little more than 80% of the time).
To achieve this within 10 years you will have to successfully defend stonemist for 6 hours 45 minutes per day, every single day.

My guild leader was going through these yesterday too…

A seemingly impossible list to complete. Seems like someone pulled pot luck guesses at a persons lifetime possible achievable output in WvW without putting any time estimation into the figures they pulled… The final tiers almost seem like placeholder numbers for some of them.

Shizzlenit.7648:

Lafiel.9372:

I just want to bump this up and ask, has anyone been even CLOSE to completing any one of the achievements under WvW. I mean i’ve been playing since release and I’ve got 1k+ wvw kills playing casually. I imagine more hardcore players are probably at least 20x my amount… so lets say 20,000 kills/250,000 is still another 6 years before anyone gets the killing achievement? Likewise with everything else. Anet really wanted to make these achievements as close to impossible as possible eh.

Red Guard guild leader has around 170k kills.

Are you sure that it is not 17k not 170k… that is like 1k kills per day, 83 kills per hour given he plays 12 hours. and 2 kills per minute. It’s almost like a factory process line of players lining up to get massacred by this guild leader lol.

See it as a statistics page not as a reward page.

As such it is nice. If I would got the title at 10k kills, I would not knew
anymore how many kills I did.

Korsbaek.9803:

and some are saying that the server is shout down before it happens it most likely is for defending and attacking SM but some servers of other MMORPG’s have been running in more then 8 years meaning that GW2 can also run that long time

I get that the WvW titles are meant to be acquired over the lifetime of the game and are meant to be rare. But let’s look at what a WvWer is needs to accomplish on a daily basis to get those WvW titles if GW2 lasts for 8 years (which I’d like to think there are pretty good odds that this will happen).

Eight years at 365 days per year means we have 2,920 days. But we have two leap years in there, so let’s add an additional 2 days onto our total number of days to account for leap years (resulting in a total of 2,922 days for our 8 year lifespan).

A WvWer would need to accomplish the following each and every day in order to get the WvW titles (for those titles where the requirements are posted to the Wiki)…

*Ultimate Dominator - 250,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 86 WvW kills needed per day

*Ultimate Interceptor - 1,000,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 342 Yak kills needed per day

*Ultimate Chaperone - 500,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 171 Caravan escorts needed per day

*Ultimate Fabricator - 2,500,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 856 Supply uses needed (57-86 builds needed per day, depending on if you’re grabbing from an upgraded supply camp or not)

*Ultimate Technician - 1,000,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 342 Supply uses needed for repairs (23-34 builds dedicated to just repairs needed per day, depending on if you’re grabbing from an upgraded supply camp or not)

*Ultimate Besieger - 1,000,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 342 Supply uses needed for building siege (23-34 builds dedicated to just building siege needed per day, depending on if you’re grabbing from an upgraded supply camp or not)

When you look at it on a daily basis, you can see that some of those WvW titles have some pretty hardy (perhaps even impossible) requirements, even for the most dedicated of WvW players.

Manoa.5897:

Korsbaek.9803:

and some are saying that the server is shout down before it happens it most likely is for defending and attacking SM but some servers of other MMORPG’s have been running in more then 8 years meaning that GW2 can also run that long time

I get that the WvW titles are meant to be acquired over the lifetime of the game and are meant to be rare. But let’s look at what a WvWer is needs to accomplish on a daily basis to get those WvW titles if GW2 lasts for 8 years (which I’d like to think there are pretty good odds that this will happen).

Eight years at 365 days per year means we have 2,920 days. But we have two leap years in there, so let’s add an additional 2 days onto our total number of days to account for leap years (resulting in a total of 2,922 days for our 8 year lifespan).

A WvWer would need to accomplish the following each and every day in order to get the WvW titles (for those titles where the requirements are posted to the Wiki)…

*Ultimate Dominator - 250,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 86 WvW kills needed per day

*Ultimate Interceptor - 1,000,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 342 Yak kills needed per day

*Ultimate Chaperone - 500,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 171 Caravan escorts needed per day

*Ultimate Fabricator - 2,500,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 856 Supply uses needed (57-86 builds needed per day, depending on if you’re grabbing from an upgraded supply camp or not)

*Ultimate Technician - 1,000,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 342 Supply uses needed for repairs (23-34 builds dedicated to just repairs needed per day, depending on if you’re grabbing from an upgraded supply camp or not)

*Ultimate Besieger - 1,000,000 ÷ 2,922 days = 342 Supply uses needed for building siege (23-34 builds dedicated to just building siege needed per day, depending on if you’re grabbing from an upgraded supply camp or not)

When you look at it on a daily basis, you can see that some of those WvW titles have some pretty hardy (perhaps even impossible) requirements, even for the most dedicated of WvW players.

On the other hand, the supply use and the kills aint so bad. The others should really be brought in line with those. Achievable, but bloody difficult.

I agree, Ultimate Dominator is reasonable if not too easy. 500k kills would be more reasonable, and the other achievements should of course be brought in line with this.

When you think of it, 86 WvW kills per day is not hard at all for a dedicated player.

Oh well, look at it this way, maybe our children will see our glorious titles….

I play WvW all day, every day…and this is what i got >.>

Gab Superstar.4059:

I agree, Ultimate Dominator is reasonable if not too easy. 500k kills would be more reasonable, and the other achievements should of course be brought in line with this.

When you think of it, 86 WvW kills per day is not hard at all for a dedicated player.

More like for a T1 player. In T1 fights you can rack up 30+ kills in a few minutes of zerg battles. Might be a little harder for a T8 player to get that many.

Zenyatoo.4059:

Gab Superstar.4059:

I agree, Ultimate Dominator is reasonable if not too easy. 500k kills would be more reasonable, and the other achievements should of course be brought in line with this.

When you think of it, 86 WvW kills per day is not hard at all for a dedicated player.

More like for a T1 player. In T1 fights you can rack up 30+ kills in a few minutes of zerg battles. Might be a little harder for a T8 player to get that many.

If these titles are going to be even remotely hard to attain it would have to take ~5-6 years of playing at least 5 hours a day to obtain them though.

Zenyatoo.4059:

Gab Superstar.4059:

I agree, Ultimate Dominator is reasonable if not too easy. 500k kills would be more reasonable, and the other achievements should of course be brought in line with this.

When you think of it, 86 WvW kills per day is not hard at all for a dedicated player.

More like for a T1 player. In T1 fights you can rack up 30+ kills in a few minutes of zerg battles. Might be a little harder for a T8 player to get that many.

Just remember all, the math I presented above is what you need to do each and every day for 8 years straight to get those achievements. As in, EVERY, SINGLE day. No vacations, no weekends, no holidays, no taking a break from the game for any reason. If you miss any days from playing WvW or fall short of what’s needed on any particular day, you’ll have to accomplish above those numbers to get those WvW titles in 8 years time.

I’ll just say my employer is far more generous with time off.

Gab Superstar.4059:

I agree, Ultimate Dominator is reasonable if not too easy. 500k kills would be more reasonable, and the other achievements should of course be brought in line with this.

When you think of it, 86 WvW kills per day is not hard at all for a dedicated player.

I would refrain from saying it’s “too easy” when no one has got it yet, and the estimated time frame to achieve it is approximately 6-8 years for the average semi-hardcore player sounds pretty hard for me.

In my eyes, 100k seems like an ideal amount, anything more is just like hotw bosses hp, needless and boring. 100k shows you know your thing, you’ve spent at least 1-3 years playing wvw.

Will ANet comment on the achievability of these titles?

bradderzh.2378:

Will ANet comment on the achievability of these titles?

I think this question was asked at the Seattle M&G last Friday. I overheard during the Q&A something to the effect that the original intent of these achievements was to be super rare. But the audio system was inadequate and it was impossible to hear the exact question and all the details with the answer. So sadly, I can’t provide much more detail than this. (hopefully the video that was recorded of the M&G Q&A will be posted soon)

Lafiel.9372:

Shizzlenit.7648:

Lafiel.9372:

I just want to bump this up and ask, has anyone been even CLOSE to completing any one of the achievements under WvW. I mean i’ve been playing since release and I’ve got 1k+ wvw kills playing casually. I imagine more hardcore players are probably at least 20x my amount… so lets say 20,000 kills/250,000 is still another 6 years before anyone gets the killing achievement? Likewise with everything else. Anet really wanted to make these achievements as close to impossible as possible eh.

Red Guard guild leader has around 170k kills.

Are you sure that it is not 17k not 170k… that is like 1k kills per day, 83 kills per hour given he plays 12 hours. and 2 kills per minute. It’s almost like a factory process line of players lining up to get massacred by this guild leader lol.

No, it is 170k. I am certain Red Guard is the best wvw guild in the game. It’s what comes of being in WvW almost every night. 1k kills a night is totally achievable on the servers I’ve played on so far (from T5-T1). It’s just a matter of knowing where the enemy is and defeating them.

Zenyatoo.4059:

Vayra.3290:

They are meant to be long-term achievements that very few people, if any, get. It’s why they’re called “Ultimate . . .”

I dont think you quite understand how completely impossible it is.

This isnt long term
this is Anet will have shut down the GW2 servers before anyone gets them

You never played GW1 did you? Those servers have been up for seven years, with no mention of going down any time soon. R15 Hero took people years, did you ever see anyone whine about that? No.

Since it seems a lot of people forgot about this title, or more likely never even knew about it, let me break it down.

“You would need to win 2,509 times consecutively to gain the 100,000 fame needed to max this title. This would take over 500 hours of holding Halls.”

Since that never happened, we’ll assume an average group of high ranked players would hold halls 5 times consecutively. For the purpose of an ideal situation, we’ll also assume this group jumped to halls with only one prior fight. Winning the first fight nets you 1 fame, then the first halls win would net you 3, the second 6, the third 10, the fourth 16, and the fifth 24, for a total of 60 fame a run. That’s 1667 runs about, figuring wait time for matches of at least 30 seconds, and a match time of at least 10 minutes comes out to around 98353 minutes, 1639 hours, 68 days, or around 2 and a half months of constant playing to achieve the title.
This is an idealized situation, in reality it took considerably longer than that. It took the first person to get it somewhere around 3 years 4 months.

So are these titles slightly illogical? Sure. Impossible? No, just really time consuming. It’s likely they’ll be adjusted in the future anyway.
Tl;dr: Titles that take long periods of time aren’t out of the norm in Guild Wars, in my opinion, Hero in GW1 was harder to get than any of the WvW titles.

Toast.6459:

You never played GW1 did you? Those servers have been up for seven years, with no mention of going down any time soon. R15 Hero took people years, did you ever see anyone whine about that? No.

Since it seems a lot of people forgot about this title, or more likely never even knew about it, let me break it down.

“You would need to win 2,509 times consecutively to gain the 100,000 fame needed to max this title. This would take over 500 hours of holding Halls.”

Since that never happened, we’ll assume an average group of high ranked players would hold halls 5 times consecutively. For the purpose of an ideal situation, we’ll also assume this group jumped to halls with only one prior fight. Winning the first fight nets you 1 fame, then the first halls win would net you 3, the second 6, the third 10, the fourth 16, and the fifth 24, for a total of 60 fame a run. That’s 1667 runs about, figuring wait time for matches of at least 30 seconds, and a match time of at least 10 minutes comes out to around 98353 minutes, 1639 hours, 68 days, or around 2 and a half months of constant playing to achieve the title.
This is an idealized situation, in reality it took considerably longer than that. It took the first person to get it somewhere around 3 years 4 months.

So are these titles slightly illogical? Sure. Impossible? No, just really time consuming. It’s likely they’ll be adjusted in the future anyway.
Tl;dr: Titles that take long periods of time aren’t out of the norm in Guild Wars, in my opinion, Hero in GW1 was harder to get than any of the WvW titles.

“Did you ever see anyone whine about that? No.”

Yes, I kittening hated it, together with quite some others! Some people like to hunt achievements, but these are near impossible to get. It took Starcraft many years and over 10k hours of play to get H15. Not sure if maximum Gladiator even ever got achieved.

Even so, those were even ‘doable’ by maybe 5 lunatics who didn’t have anything else to do than dedicating a better part of their life to a title. Some of these WvW achievements are even further out of proportion.

Sure, it’s nice to keep progress, even after you maxed a title. But then just let the points continue, like in the old Guild Wars (for example reputation titles). That way, you can still compare with eachother, while keeping the title doable.

In my opinion, no title should never, ever, cost more than 100 hours to max out when farmed excessively.

You whined about it? Good for you I guess.

No, people didn’t whine about it. With all the gimmick crap in HA, fame rates was never complained about.
Even if it was, was it ever changed? Nope.

Tobias Steele.2071:

styx.7294:

kittenzlenit.7648:

Lafiel.9372:

I just want to bump this up and ask, has anyone been even CLOSE to completing any one of the achievements under WvW. I mean i’ve been playing since release and I’ve got 1k+ wvw kills playing casually. I imagine more hardcore players are probably at least 20x my amount… so lets say 20,000 kills/250,000 is still another 6 years before anyone gets the killing achievement? Likewise with everything else. Anet really wanted to make these achievements as close to impossible as possible eh.

Red Guard guild leader has around 170k kills.

Must be a higher tier thing. I’ve never heard of anyone with more than 25k in tier 7.

Hes the guild leader of the best killing machine known in this game. That many kills is far from the norm even in the top tiers.

I don’t know him.

It’s sad. People are complaining that “lifetime” achievements take too long. Perhaps this is just the usual sense of Entitlement that causes this. Just like the complaints that Legendary weapons take too long to get.

In GW1, Dragon Rank 15 was only achieved by a handful of players. Epic PvPers like Starcraft, Red, Bloupy, etc. Just because the max rank is there, doesn’t mean everyone will be able to earn it.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

It’s sad. People are complaining that “lifetime” achievements take too long. Perhaps this is just the usual sense of Entitlement that causes this. Just like the complaints that Legendary weapons take too long to get.

In GW1, Dragon Rank 15 was only achieved by a handful of players. Epic PvPers like Starcraft, Red, Bloupy, etc. Just because the max rank is there, doesn’t mean everyone will be able to earn it.

Length of getting legendarys is fine, the mindless grind, not so much, but that’s a different discussion.

Finally someone understands my point.

Courageous Mithos.8745:

In my opinion, no title should never, ever, cost more than 100 hours to max out when farmed excessively.

Aren’t opinions nice? I’m so glad you don’t work for ANet. All their lifetime achievements would all be snapped up within a week if you were there.

Did you know that Bunzy, the King of Maguuma has 500k kills already. It’s rumored that he has tiger blood.

Achievements are discouraging. I do not bother even thinking about them

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8923/wvwkills.jpg

For any interested. I think the 250k one is placed right for not to long and not to short if wvw is your thing. Most in RG now have 50-100k. Was sent a pm on this forum about topic also i am sure there was 2 or so before like it on reddit.

Sacrx.6721:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8923/wvwkills.jpg

For any interested. I think the 250k one is placed right for not to long and not to short if wvw is your thing. Most in RG now have 50-100k. Was sent a pm on this forum about topic also i am sure there was 2 or so before like it on reddit.

wow, nice!that’s a lot of kills right there.