Guild Wars 2

HIRE recruits people on IOJ and then tells them to transfer to EBay.

DRGN recruits people on FA and then tells them to transfer to IOJ.

I fail to see your key differences…

Inregards to 2 and 3… it should be mentioned that armored fist is also on FA recruiting guilds/ entire wvw community (although they at least don’t just put their recruitment message in all the WvW map chats)… I doubt two guilds would be on the same server recruiting if it wasn’t a common strategy on IOJ.

The difference is that HIRE recruited ppl on IoJ as an IoJ guild and to stay in the guild they had to move servers.
Drgn recruited ppl on others server but it wasn’t “and oh hey were on IoJ you have transfer now” before they get sent the invite they are told we are an IoJ guild which they are okay with.

Also to Arcadio, that is most likely true since they did leave (although a lot of their members stayed on IoJ and formed a new guild) I also personally believe that the HIRE “conspiracy” really has nothing to do with this thread and should have stayed on our forums…there is also more info about this situation that you guys aren’t aware of.

In regards to fist, that is something they just started doing (which i forgot they did) but Drgn and Fist are in an alliance together and fist decided it was a good idea but our two guilds do not make, set, or speak for the IoJ W3 coalition of guilds

Actually….I have emphasized the point that HIRE members will NOT get kicked if they are not willing to transfer servers. Players who have transferred with HIRE have been drawn into our close-knit/ friendly community and wish to continue playing with us. Members who havn’t transferred will be assigned a new rank where representation is not required and they are welcome to stay in the guild.

Also, most of our members HAVE transfered to Ehmry Bay. To my knowledge only ~10 HIRE members are staying in IoJ. Although this includes 2 of our prominent commanders (Stalker and Sinforge).

This may seem a bit ironic but I do wish IoJ the best in their T3 matchup.

LOL BH.

So you’re going to have your guild fight itself in about a month?

Good strategy lad.

I have been waiting for this for 6 weeks….Lets go TC!!!

Interesting. IOJ enter Tier 1 and are flying, they are keeping up with the big boys. The Candycorn patch happens, and they disappear from WvW and get demoted to tier 2.

Then IOJ are in Tier 2 for many weeks, but then the Candy Cane patch happens, they disappear from WvW and get demoted to tier 3.

:P, we’ve found IOJ’s weakness!

MuffinMan.3285:

Aytrix.4059:

Diashame.6328:

Yeah they are all numbers game and attitudes of do it our way or the highway. We didn’t want to do it their way so they tried to poach as many before hitting the highway.

It’s all good we only lost a couple of decent people and even less decent players. Noticed by the fact EBay is still coming last even though 100’s of w3 dedicated have xferd there in the past 1 month.

Edit: The evidence and in my mind 100% proof of the conspiracy happening is on our server forums linked below.

When your recruitment strategy is to send “representatives” to other servers and spam WvW map chat trying to poach players/guilds from those servers, you can’t really complain about what HIRE did on IOJ.

I see your point, but there are a few key differences
1) Hire recruited ppl on IoJ to fight for IoJ then took them to a different server
2) that is only one guy recruiting individual players that dont mind or in fact want to leave the current server they are on
3) that is not IoJ’s strategy, that happens to be only part of Drgn’s strategy

he’s recruiting small/medium guilds for IoJ to be absorbed into Drgn….

When I spoke to him and he told me it was for IoJ I told him I didn’t think that was cool and wouldn’t be willing to transfer my guild to another server. He tried to insult me by looking at my roster and noting people weren’t representing and saying that was “sad.”

To be spamming our WvW maps with recruitment messages at all hours of the day the week before our servers face off is a pretty scummy. Recruit on the forums, not our wvw team chat.

Cirus.5748:

Interesting. IOJ enter Tier 1 and are flying, they are keeping up with the big boys. The Candycorn patch happens, and they disappear from WvW and get demoted to tier 2.

Then IOJ are in Tier 2 for many weeks, but then the Candy Cane patch happens, they disappear from WvW and get demoted to tier 3.

:P, we’ve found IOJ’s weakness!

Dat candy =/

Valentine’s day is coming up too. And then Easter…

FascistMuffin.2956:

I’m sure FA and CD would have way more points if TC didn’t have a max population that filled all BL nearly 100% of the time.

Every night TC gets ahead by an additional 10k+ points. It’d be fun to actually have a 1v1v1 instead of a fight for second.

I’ve played on TC since release and I can’t remember a single time that I’ve not been able to get into at least one of the WvW maps without a queue. We do get queues occasionally on borderland maps during prime time NA playing hours, but they usually don’t last more than a couple of minutes. EB queues rarely last more than 10 minutes even during prime time and most of the time even EB has no queue.

Expunge.4926:

MuffinMan.3285:

Aytrix.4059:

Diashame.6328:

Yeah they are all numbers game and attitudes of do it our way or the highway. We didn’t want to do it their way so they tried to poach as many before hitting the highway.

It’s all good we only lost a couple of decent people and even less decent players. Noticed by the fact EBay is still coming last even though 100’s of w3 dedicated have xferd there in the past 1 month.

Edit: The evidence and in my mind 100% proof of the conspiracy happening is on our server forums linked below.

When your recruitment strategy is to send “representatives” to other servers and spam WvW map chat trying to poach players/guilds from those servers, you can’t really complain about what HIRE did on IOJ.

I see your point, but there are a few key differences
1) Hire recruited ppl on IoJ to fight for IoJ then took them to a different server
2) that is only one guy recruiting individual players that dont mind or in fact want to leave the current server they are on
3) that is not IoJ’s strategy, that happens to be only part of Drgn’s strategy

he’s recruiting small/medium guilds for IoJ to be absorbed into Drgn….

When I spoke to him and he told me it was for IoJ I told him I didn’t think that was cool and wouldn’t be willing to transfer my guild to another server. He tried to insult me by looking at my roster and noting people weren’t representing and saying that was “sad.”

To be spamming our WvW maps with recruitment messages at all hours of the day the week before our servers face off is a pretty scummy. Recruit on the forums, not our wvw team chat.

It’s not just FA, either. They were the guild I was talking about on Maguuma.

I personally wouldn’t recruit from another servers in game but it is majorly different to an entire guild

• Transferring to your server
• Pretending to be your friends
• Gaining some good rep.
• Going on a mass recruitment drive offering to merg guilds and give officer positions * Merging 4 or 5 guilds to double your numbers (Which they posted they did.)
• All the while knowing your going to follow your old alliance to the server they went to.

They claim they didn’t know until 2 days beofre but all the evidence is there to show that is exactly what they did. The poll they put up to ask their guilds was described on our forums as “Who wants to move off IoJ?” with a 70% successrate.
An internal guy posted that poll which stated the question as being “Who would be willing to move off the server?” with only 50%. They then move to the server with their old alliance that had left 4 weeks before and that was right when there mass recruit merger campaign started.

Slightly different but still I can see how you must be frustrated with some of our guilds recruiting on your server. I offer you a combat to this, your welcome to fight fire with fire and come to IoJ to do the same as us and advertise in our W3 and LA channels.

saiyr.3071:

Expunge.4926:

MuffinMan.3285:

Aytrix.4059:

Diashame.6328:

Yeah they are all numbers game and attitudes of do it our way or the highway. We didn’t want to do it their way so they tried to poach as many before hitting the highway.

It’s all good we only lost a couple of decent people and even less decent players. Noticed by the fact EBay is still coming last even though 100’s of w3 dedicated have xferd there in the past 1 month.

Edit: The evidence and in my mind 100% proof of the conspiracy happening is on our server forums linked below.

When your recruitment strategy is to send “representatives” to other servers and spam WvW map chat trying to poach players/guilds from those servers, you can’t really complain about what HIRE did on IOJ.

I see your point, but there are a few key differences
1) Hire recruited ppl on IoJ to fight for IoJ then took them to a different server
2) that is only one guy recruiting individual players that dont mind or in fact want to leave the current server they are on
3) that is not IoJ’s strategy, that happens to be only part of Drgn’s strategy

he’s recruiting small/medium guilds for IoJ to be absorbed into Drgn….

When I spoke to him and he told me it was for IoJ I told him I didn’t think that was cool and wouldn’t be willing to transfer my guild to another server. He tried to insult me by looking at my roster and noting people weren’t representing and saying that was “sad.”

To be spamming our WvW maps with recruitment messages at all hours of the day the week before our servers face off is a pretty scummy. Recruit on the forums, not our wvw team chat.

It’s not just FA, either. They were the guild I was talking about on Maguuma.

No its not just FA but its all the same guy, and for recruting before our servers face is eachother isnt completly true, he was there well before we got kicked from T2.

But I must say that you shouldnt get mad at the people who recruited from your server, instead get mad at the people that decided to abandon you. (IoJ is not mad at EBay for takeing HIRE, were mad at HIRE’s parting words and the mass recurting they did before they left [it MAY OR MAY NOT be true, but it does look they intented to make their guild as large as possible before transferring])

I also agree with dis, get a character onto IoJ and try and take our players. Iike I said I wont get mad at you for doing it, just the traitors that are willing to leave

The way I see it, T3 needed something new. The constant fighting between TC and FA was mostly just causing lots of tension, etc…Good luck IoJ! I’m sure you’ll bring about some great fights in T3!

I remember wanting to join [Drgn] quite a few weeks ago when I saw a recruitment post and then I was sad that they weren’t on TC I was going to join but was not willing to server transfer, so I had to decline. But I was met with a friendly response after I said no thank you and explained why. I wish IoJ the best of luck in T3, and I cannot wait to see how TC is going to do in T2

Random Weirdness.6750:

I remember wanting to join [Drgn] quite a few weeks ago when I saw a recruitment post and then I was sad that they weren’t on TC I was going to join but was not willing to server transfer, so I had to decline. But I was met with a friendly response after I said no thank you and explained why. I wish IoJ the best of luck in T3, and I cannot wait to see how TC is going to do in T2

thanks you, and to you and all of TC as well, carefully BG and SoR can be crafty

Diashame.6328:

I personally wouldn’t recruit from another servers in game but it is majorly different to an entire guild

• Transferring to your server
• Pretending to be your friends
• Gaining some good rep.
• Going on a mass recruitment drive offering to merg guilds and give officer positions * Merging 4 or 5 guilds to double your numbers (Which they posted they did.)
• All the while knowing your going to follow your old alliance to the server they went to.

They claim they didn’t know until 2 days beofre but all the evidence is there to show that is exactly what they did. The poll they put up to ask their guilds was described on our forums as “Who wants to move off IoJ?” with a 70% successrate.
An internal guy posted that poll which stated the question as being “Who would be willing to move off the server?” with only 50%. They then move to the server with their old alliance that had left 4 weeks before and that was right when there mass recruit merger campaign started.

Slightly different but still I can see how you must be frustrated with some of our guilds recruiting on your server. I offer you a combat to this, your welcome to fight fire with fire and come to IoJ to do the same as us and advertise in our W3 and LA channels.

I don’t think its the same…you’re clearly recruiting from other servers because you can’t find enough players on your own…what makes you think other people are going to come try to draw blood from a stone….

Losing decent size guilds on any server is a hit, regardless of what you want to believe (Especially on a primarily oceanic server like IoJ and losing a decent size Oceanic guild).

As for the “we have t1, t2 players just not enough of them” argument. I would venture to guess every server thinks their players are extremely skilled. The truth is, there are very skilled guilds and people on all tiers, the higher tiered servers in my opinion simply have better overall coverage then the lower tiers.

This would even out with the rankings if they didn’t allow transfers…(meaning servers with similar coverages would face against each other as the rankings leveled off) but as it sits now, allowing transfers causes major fluctuations in coverage essentially making the rating system kind of useless….

This is why someone like HIRE leaving IoJ, does indeed have an impact, probably more so than the event. Not saying you guys won’t be fine in T3, in fact it will be better because you will start dropping into tier’s where the coverage is similar to yours. Just don’t be so short sighted and angry that guilds chose to leave, i’m sure they felt like they were “Carrying” you and you feel like they weren’t “loyal” to the server….it seems to be how this game works with xfers.

MasterDeluxe.3791:

Diashame.6328:

I personally wouldn’t recruit from another servers in game but it is majorly different to an entire guild

• Transferring to your server
• Pretending to be your friends
• Gaining some good rep.
• Going on a mass recruitment drive offering to merg guilds and give officer positions * Merging 4 or 5 guilds to double your numbers (Which they posted they did.)
• All the while knowing your going to follow your old alliance to the server they went to.

They claim they didn’t know until 2 days beofre but all the evidence is there to show that is exactly what they did. The poll they put up to ask their guilds was described on our forums as “Who wants to move off IoJ?” with a 70% successrate.
An internal guy posted that poll which stated the question as being “Who would be willing to move off the server?” with only 50%. They then move to the server with their old alliance that had left 4 weeks before and that was right when there mass recruit merger campaign started.

Slightly different but still I can see how you must be frustrated with some of our guilds recruiting on your server. I offer you a combat to this, your welcome to fight fire with fire and come to IoJ to do the same as us and advertise in our W3 and LA channels.

I don’t think its the same…you’re clearly recruiting from other servers because you can’t find enough players on your own…what makes you think other people are going to come try to draw blood from a stone….

Losing decent size guilds on any server is a hit, regardless of what you want to believe (Especially on a primarily oceanic server like IoJ and losing a decent size Oceanic guild).

As for the “we have t1, t2 players just not enough of them” argument. I would venture to guess every server thinks their players are extremely skilled. The truth is, there are very skilled guilds and people on all tiers, the higher tiered servers in my opinion simply have better overall coverage then the lower tiers.

This would even out with the rankings if they didn’t allow transfers…(meaning servers with similar coverages would face against each other as the rankings leveled off) but as it sits now, allowing transfers causes major fluctuations in coverage essentially making the rating system kind of useless….

This is why someone like HIRE leaving IoJ, does indeed have an impact, probably more so than the event. Not saying you guys won’t be fine in T3, in fact it will be better because you will start dropping into tier’s where the coverage is similar to yours. Just don’t be so short sighted and angry that guilds chose to leave, i’m sure they felt like they were “Carrying” you and you feel like they weren’t “loyal” to the server….it seems to be how this game works with xfers.

I wouldnt say we are clearly recruiting from other servers because we dont have any of our own, most members we get are from IoJ and actually only get a very few from other servers, our GM is just crazy and has 6+ accounts that he wants to use for some purpose :P

we also cant judge how big of an impact HIRE will have untill after the event but, after running around with them a few times when they were out in force, I dont think it will be to serious

Good luck IoJ. It’s been fun fighting with your favourite ND’s portal bombs. Great opponent, very epic battle happened because you all fought damn well. IoJ deserved a fairwell praise.

(IoJ’s presence always overwhelming us with ND on Oceanic time, which we always got flipped the entire BLs by ND. Up until fourth/fifth week where it seems a decline from ND and which we got our oceannic reinforcement arrived)

TC will up for a challenge here in tier2. If they dont meet the standard within a week or two, im sure we will meet again real soon IoJ. Until then, so long!

If Blackgate was to really push hard thursday and Friday with the PvE event being the most important thing about the game on JQ.
JQ might end up in T2 with BG in Tier 1 next week

Masterdelux, most of your points had nothing to do with my post so not sure why you quoted me and they involved a lot of incorrect assumption about IoJ.

Happy for you to express your opinion even if I think your wrong on every single one of them. Especially the skill v pop one. You obviously have not came up against War machine from SBI (when they were still playing anyway.)

Maybe, IoJ / DRGN should focus on actually playing in WvW more than recruiting on other servers. I’m no Winston Churchill, but I do believe more people in the fight, means better chances for IoJ.

On another note, are you guys paying them to spam other server’s chat? If not, you have some really dedicated people whom will probably receive a temporary ban for all the reports they’ve accumulated for spamming.

MuffinMan.3285:

As for CD and FA…prepare yourselves ;P

He means prepare yourselves for his guild to come and recruit spam on your server in the midst of intense battles, not for WvW score.

Getting t3 riled up already LoJ! Not a good idea! FA doesn’t put up with shenanigans, even if those shenanigans are completely in their own heads!

All servers do this to some extent. In the last week alone on TC I have seen SoS, BG, and IoJ all throwing out recruitment messages in Lion’s Arch.

ViperWire.4261:

MuffinMan.3285:

As for CD and FA…prepare yourselves ;P

He means prepare yourselves for his guild to come and recruit spam on your server in the midst of intense battles, not for WvW score.

I hit the +1 next to your post even if it doesn’t do anything.

Diashame.6328:

Masterdelux, most of your points had nothing to do with my post so not sure why you quoted me and they involved a lot of incorrect assumption about IoJ.

Happy for you to express your opinion even if I think your wrong on every single one of them. Especially the skill v pop one. You obviously have not came up against War machine from SBI (when they were still playing anyway.)

Sorry, only the very first paragraph was about the recruiting methods that some guilds on IoJ were using., then I was just kind of responding to previous posters so I apologize.

I used to play on IoJ so maybe its changed, those were just my opinions on what I observed. It’s ok if you totally disagree with me.

I think it is absolutely about coverage, as I think the difference in “people’s skill level” does not contribute as much as having good coverage during time slots. Although that is a discussion for a different thread

Xirin.8593:

Cirus.5748:

Interesting. IOJ enter Tier 1 and are flying, they are keeping up with the big boys. The Candycorn patch happens, and they disappear from WvW and get demoted to tier 2.

Then IOJ are in Tier 2 for many weeks, but then the Candy Cane patch happens, they disappear from WvW and get demoted to tier 3.

:P, we’ve found IOJ’s weakness!

Dat candy =/

Valentine’s day is coming up too. And then Easter…

INB4 IoJ T6!!

The holiday event only affected IoJ?

Sunspots.9861:

Getting t3 riled up already LoJ! Not a good idea! FA doesn’t put up with shenanigans, even if those shenanigans are completely in their own heads!

haha it may have been all the shenanigans that have been happening in T2 but wheres the fun if the servers arent riled up for a fight?

also its funny that people think drgn is the only guild in all the servers that do this

and as I said before, and an earlier post proved that drgn was recruiting in long before we fell to tier 3 so its not that we sent someone to get as many from a server to cripple them before a fight just pure coincidence.

No we dont pay the one guy that does it, he does it on his own accord and we actually make fun of him all the time and as far as I know he hasn’t gotten a ban…yet xD

We also WvW every night at 8pm EST, feel free to drop in and see just how much fighting we do

Tyaen.5148:

The holiday event only affected IoJ?

Hardly… But they want to justify what happened, when they just want to get the hell out of T2 since they can’t cover everything. (And i heard that from IoJ players)

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

Haha Jeknar, because a few comments from a few people represents the whole server. Nobody has said they play to go down but now we are, were going to take advantage of it as much as we can.

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

ykyk.2740:

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

All that’s left IS the core pvp guilds and whatever casuals come out for a bit of fun. All the fairweathers have left. I can speak for myself and the guild I’m in, that we don’t really care if we win so to speak, as long as we are having fun, not steamrolling our competitors, and the server doesn’t die off we’re here to stay. Don’t take what I said as acceptance of defeat, it’s that we’re used to being outmanned and outcovered, so might as well be as big of a pain in the butt to the other servers as we can. We’ve done well with what we have and I think that deserves recognition in it’s own right. I think both Sor, SoS, and BG can attest that we are a stubborn lot and will keep coming now matter how outmatched we are. T3 is a welcome change for my guild in particular, because it should be a more even playing field as far as numbers and coverage goes.
I’m also apprehensive that we may overwhelm the t3 servers we’re matched against and the fighting will become stale. So we’ll see.

Concerning Armored FIST on FA:

The extent of my “recruitment spam” last week on FA was contained in one conversation after asking about WvW on FA. The purpose for me being on FA was to make contact with and recruit PTX to IOJ. This was during the last matchup when things looked like we would be locked in a stalemate in T2, and things looked grim for FA and CD.

I am still very much a supporter of consolidating all dedicated WvW into the top 2 tiers, where all WvW guilds can find the types of battles they are looking for, with a rotating matchup between the top 6 servers. This may or may not happen, it seems the natural shift at the moment but we will have to see. I originally asked a FA WvW rep about the situation on FA and the possibility of consolidating all serious FA guilds on IoJ in order to relieve our coverage issues and make us more competitive in the tier.

The conversation then turned to PTX and me mentioning that we had worked with them in the past, and that I was going to attempt to contact them based on previous efforts and discussions of an alliance which had taken place long before they ever arrived on FA.

Let’s be clear: At no point did I “spam”, and I was polite and respectful of FA and their efforts during my fun adventure in T3. I got 4 badges for my level 3 guardian and generally enjoyed the relaxed pace of WvW at that hour.

My exact quote on the PTX issue during a PM exchange.
“I would theoretically take one guild solely, which is PtX, only because we have had a working relationship with in the past prior to them arriving at FA, in which we discussed a possible future alliance built on a different model than TITAN or Ascenscion, which is a reality now. If they are happy where they are ( I have not spoken to them about this because it was just casual talk between you and I in my opinion) then all is fine and well, and I truly do wish you guys at FA good luck and I will help where I can as an individual in WvW. Good luck and please keep up the good fight!”

Why recruit on FA? Well, to be honest it seemed like a good idea to recruit from a place where there was an active small WvW community which would fit in with the personality of IoJ. I enjoy WvW and I want it to persist at a high level with the people who focus on it. Please forgive me for advocating a great server and extending the offer. IoJ is open to recruitment for those interested, and we are going to reach out.

Aside: Muffin, get your recruiter to chill out! The natives are gettin’ restless!

Back on topic: Armored FIST does not/has not/will not mass recruit for its ranks as we are a small, selective community.

armoredfist.net

, and I acted on behalf of my server and NA alliance without malice or their implicit approval.

What can I say?
I <3 IoJ

See you guys in WvW!

P.S. I transferred my alt to CD, might hop on to collect a few Blackgate badges next week! ; D

Cirus.5748:

Interesting. IOJ enter Tier 1 and are flying, they are keeping up with the big boys. The Candycorn patch happens, and they disappear from WvW and get demoted to tier 2.

Then IOJ are in Tier 2 for many weeks, but then the Candy Cane patch happens, they disappear from WvW and get demoted to tier 3.

:P, we’ve found IOJ’s weakness!

IoJ wasn’t flying in T1. They also got kicked out in T1 before the Halloween update. That happened in the first week BG was in T1, but the result you said happened to us. After Halloween, we had no one show. The problem with our PuGs is consistency. The 1st week in T2, our numbers nearly doubled.

well, i am looking forward to fight u guys next matchup and hope we all will have great battles and a lot of fun. after facing TC for 5 weeks our server got kinda bored, but i cant wait to face ioj!
hope we all will have a blast!

ykyk.2740:

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

T2 a stomping ground for BG? You must be kidding. They have 24/7 coverage against both SoR/IoJ and they still can barely hold the lead against us (SoR). If anything they are scraping by because they can hold the maps for a couple hours each day while we all sleep. Once we get a night crew we can take anybody on. Don’t think so lightly of SoR, we are T1 material.

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

ykyk.2740:

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

T2 a stomping ground for BG? You must be kidding. They have 24/7 coverage against both SoR/IoJ and they still can barely hold the lead against us (SoR). If anything they are scraping by because they can hold the maps for a couple hours each day while we all sleep. Once we get a night crew we can take anybody on. Don’t think so lightly of SoR, we are T1 material.

Well, I apologize if that came off as offensive to your server, that was never my intention. I obviously don’t know the T2 environment very well other than the fact that Blackgate has been winning for awhile. Comparatively, both BG and SoR beat TC to the ground the last time we played so I have no doubt that both are much stronger servers.

ykyk.2740:

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

ykyk.2740:

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

T2 a stomping ground for BG? You must be kidding. They have 24/7 coverage against both SoR/IoJ and they still can barely hold the lead against us (SoR). If anything they are scraping by because they can hold the maps for a couple hours each day while we all sleep. Once we get a night crew we can take anybody on. Don’t think so lightly of SoR, we are T1 material.

Well, I apologize if that came off as offensive to your server, that was never my intention. I obviously don’t know the T2 environment very well other than the fact that Blackgate has been winning for awhile. Comparatively, both BG and SoR beat TC to the ground the last time we played so I have no doubt that both are much stronger servers.

Hehe it’s not a problem, we are a very dedicated bunch here at SoR. Blackgate has indeed had the lead but it has mainly been because they hold the map nearly completely for a few hours as I have stated. But nonetheless when the server is awake we take everything back and collect badges. Once SoR gets a night crew we will be much more dangerous than we are currently. As we already are quite dangerous with our NA presence from what you have seen/been told.

We welcome you to T2 though with open arms, and finally a new opponent. It’ll be nice to have fresh blood and badges to collect. Don’t take this as anything offensive because it’s just some good ole propaganda to get this weeks fight a bit more exciting. We can’t wait. Don’t forget to just have fun!

But yes welcome to T2, TC can’t wait to see you guys on the battlefield. I’m sure it’ll be a ton of fun!

MuffinMan.3285:

Well it looks like IoJ is finally going to tier 3, its kinda of bitter sweet for me.

As TC WWW-er, I watched the IoJ & TC scores in the past weeks and this is NOT something that happened just because of the Wintersday event.

Our scores were getting closer and closer every week, this was comming. Trixx may have sped it up with two or three weeks, but it was comming anyway.

That being said, I expect TC to take a serious beating in tier 2, so we might be back in tier 3 fast

Tallis.5607:

MuffinMan.3285:

Well it looks like IoJ is finally going to tier 3, its kinda of bitter sweet for me.

As TC WWW-er, I watched the IoJ & TC scores in the past weeks and this is NOT something that happened just because of the Wintersday event.

Our scores were getting closer and closer every week, this was comming. Trixx may have sped it up with two or three weeks, but it was comming anyway.

That being said, I expect TC to take a serious beating in tier 2, so we might be back in tier 3 fast

I was checking the scores everyday as well because I wanted to drop to tier 3, and every time I checked the evolution points IoJ would be going up in ranking because we weren’t getting destroyed and TC was going down because they weren’t destroying their Tier

The website I used to track all this is
http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA
This website also lets you look at past matches so you can fact check me

but I wish TC best of luck in T2, play smart and dont overextend

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

ykyk.2740:

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

T2 a stomping ground for BG? You must be kidding. They have 24/7 coverage against both SoR/IoJ and they still can barely hold the lead against us (SoR). If anything they are scraping by because they can hold the maps for a couple hours each day while we all sleep. Once we get a night crew we can take anybody on. Don’t think so lightly of SoR, we are T1 material.

If SoR was t1 material, they’d be able to win T2 right? And stop over inflating BGs coverage.

edit: You realize no server can win T1 with just NA prime coverage right? Also feel free to hype up your server but don’t spread misinformation when you do it.

pot.6805:

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

ykyk.2740:

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

T2 a stomping ground for BG? You must be kidding. They have 24/7 coverage against both SoR/IoJ and they still can barely hold the lead against us (SoR). If anything they are scraping by because they can hold the maps for a couple hours each day while we all sleep. Once we get a night crew we can take anybody on. Don’t think so lightly of SoR, we are T1 material.

If SoR was t1 material, they’d be able to win T2 right? And stop over inflating BGs coverage.

edit: You realize no server can win T1 with just NA prime coverage right?

I agree… If you can’t win T2, you can’t be at T1. And if SoR ever go to T1 as the way it is, they would most likely get stomped as Blackgate was while we had only JQ and SBI in there (I pretty much fear SoS more than those).

Jeknar.6184:

pot.6805:

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

ykyk.2740:

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

T2 a stomping ground for BG? You must be kidding. They have 24/7 coverage against both SoR/IoJ and they still can barely hold the lead against us (SoR). If anything they are scraping by because they can hold the maps for a couple hours each day while we all sleep. Once we get a night crew we can take anybody on. Don’t think so lightly of SoR, we are T1 material.

If SoR was t1 material, they’d be able to win T2 right? And stop over inflating BGs coverage.

edit: You realize no server can win T1 with just NA prime coverage right?

I agree… If you can’t win T2, you can’t be at T1. And if SoR ever go to T1 as the way it is, they would most likely get stomped as Blackgate was while we had only JQ and SBI in there (I pretty much fear SoS more than those).

If they think BG has solid 24/7 coverage, I’m not sure how they could ever handle T1. Also I am sick of SoR players claiming BG “barely” holds onto a lead when it is a blatant lie with zero facts to back it up.

pot.6805:

If they think BG has solid 24/7 coverage, I’m not sure how they could ever handle T1. Also I am sick of SoR players claiming BG “barely” holds onto a lead when it is a blatant lie with zero facts to back it up.

Math and statistics have no place in WvW threads

pot.6805:

Jeknar.6184:

pot.6805:

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

ykyk.2740:

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

T2 a stomping ground for BG? You must be kidding. They have 24/7 coverage against both SoR/IoJ and they still can barely hold the lead against us (SoR). If anything they are scraping by because they can hold the maps for a couple hours each day while we all sleep. Once we get a night crew we can take anybody on. Don’t think so lightly of SoR, we are T1 material.

If SoR was t1 material, they’d be able to win T2 right? And stop over inflating BGs coverage.

edit: You realize no server can win T1 with just NA prime coverage right?

I agree… If you can’t win T2, you can’t be at T1. And if SoR ever go to T1 as the way it is, they would most likely get stomped as Blackgate was while we had only JQ and SBI in there (I pretty much fear SoS more than those).

If they think BG has solid 24/7 coverage, I’m not sure how they could ever handle T1. Also I am sick of SoR players claiming BG “barely” holds onto a lead when it is a blatant lie with zero facts to back it up.

I really dislike SoR. I wish that they were the ones dropping and not IoJ. Most people from SoR i see here sound arrogant and think they are superior to BG, even though they never won a match. Maybe when BG go back up, JQ (or SBI, who knows) can teach SoR a thing or two…

Here’s the thing, people are assuming SoR has no clue about Tier 1.
Yes Blackgate has been winning, but it’s not as if they have completely dominated an entire match or close to it. It is more based off lack of coverage to offset theirs. It’s at nights SoR has to recall to 1 maybe 2 maps, and has both IoJ/BG pushing them at the same time. In that time BG is able to nearly fully cap 3 maps, and hold it, due to IoJ’s numbers focusing SoR BL, and unable for them to push BG BL, IoJ BL, and EBG. Same thing with SoR 99% of the night SoR recalls to SoR BL and doesn’t have the numbers to push other maps, only to defend what they have. If you WvW much you know SoR BL is the last map to be pushed and taken over, and thats due to all 3 fighting it out on it.

SoR lost it’s Oceanic guild who joined BG. If you noticed the fight has went down during Oceanic prime, but not a complete blowout difference. It’s due to many SoR Rallians waking early, sleeping late, and keeping a fight going. Even if they face double the numbers.

When SoR prime time hits, BG and IoJ both focus SoR because if they didn’t both would more then likely lose everything due to how strong of a NA coverage SoR has.

SoR has the will, relentless fighting spirit, just lacks Oceanic/EU coverage.
Don’t trash and talk down about SoR when even your server couldn’t cut it in Tier 1.
Especially when you know down if SoR had the coverage they would be in Tier 1. (As sad as it is to say coverage is the main issue for SoR, which we are also working on.)

Want to know why some are arrogant. It’s due to at least 1/3rd the SoR players being from Tier 1 servers. So when people see BG talking dwn like they own everything all the time, and completely blow out and own SoR we see the talk, but we know the difference. Many of us have been in the Tier 1 servers which BG couldn’t beat. The only server who honestly has bragging rights at the moment is SoS. Not BG.

Here’s something to think about:
What have the Tier 1 servers said about yours?

Jeknar.6184:

pot.6805:

Jeknar.6184:

pot.6805:

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

ykyk.2740:

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

T2 a stomping ground for BG? You must be kidding. They have 24/7 coverage against both SoR/IoJ and they still can barely hold the lead against us (SoR). If anything they are scraping by because they can hold the maps for a couple hours each day while we all sleep. Once we get a night crew we can take anybody on. Don’t think so lightly of SoR, we are T1 material.

If SoR was t1 material, they’d be able to win T2 right? And stop over inflating BGs coverage.

edit: You realize no server can win T1 with just NA prime coverage right?

I agree… If you can’t win T2, you can’t be at T1. And if SoR ever go to T1 as the way it is, they would most likely get stomped as Blackgate was while we had only JQ and SBI in there (I pretty much fear SoS more than those).

If they think BG has solid 24/7 coverage, I’m not sure how they could ever handle T1. Also I am sick of SoR players claiming BG “barely” holds onto a lead when it is a blatant lie with zero facts to back it up.

I really dislike SoR. I wish that they were the ones dropping and not IoJ. Most people from SoR i see here sound arrogant and think they are superior to BG, even though they never won a match. Maybe when BG go back up, JQ (or SBI, who knows) can teach SoR a thing or two…

Don’t mistake the vocal minority on a forum for the opinions of an entire server. Probably a good 5% of the population actually post here, so it wouldn’t be accurate to assume that they all feel the same way.

Regardless of what they say about “if such and such was this” and “if the only people in the world that were allowed to play guild wars lived in north america” they’d be winning. But as a matter of fact, that’s not how the game works. It’s not how the world works. And if they want to be able to compete against any server above them they need to learn this and adapt.

Oh my, what did we just walk into. You guys fight it out and we’ll just try to stay out of your way!