Guild Wars 2

I’d love to chew out the person’s responsible for removing Swirl from WvW right now. I just logged in and instantly inner Bay is going down to 4 Superior cata’s an a treb on outer.

Having NO defense against cata’s and treb’s is the opposite of fun and intelligent play. Now it’s just the first to get a treb up wins? Our only defense is to be used as meat shields and human torpedo’s? Please STOP trying to artificially create turn over by removing defenses and tactics. STOP trying to force the game to become Melee Wars 2. TY!

How to kill a cata.
Its called an AC and Ballista.

How to kill a treb.
Its called walk over to treb and punch it.

Treb inside a tower/keep?

Walk over to treb/keep.
Build an AC.

Rinse repeat.

With regards to your situation, I agree with Rob.

… but the big problem is situations where those trebs are on top of vista spots or atop supply depots: places where you literally cannot kill them unless you break into the fortification itself.

robocafaz.9017:

With regards to your situation, I agree with Rob.

… but the big problem is situations where those trebs are on top of vista spots or atop supply depots: places where you literally cannot kill them unless you break into the fortification itself.

Flash superior treb. Commander can do it np.

Or trait into the AC line and increase is range. Then find an elevated point to hit said treb.

Rob.7624:

Flash superior treb. Commander can do it np.

Or trait into the AC line and increase is range. Then find an elevated point to hit said treb.

Can a treb from outside SM hit a treb on top of SM? What about the JP vistas in the EBG keeps?

robocafaz.9017:

Rob.7624:

Flash superior treb. Commander can do it np.

Or trait into the AC line and increase is range. Then find an elevated point to hit said treb.

Can a treb from outside SM hit a treb on top of SM? What about the JP vistas in the EBG keeps?

All those trebs. Either on Vistas in keep or 3rd floor SM can be ballista’d.

I’m sorry am I giving away WvW secrets here?
You point to me a treb (SS it) and I’ll tell you how you can take it down free of charge.

robocafaz.9017:

Rob.7624:

Flash superior treb. Commander can do it np.

Or trait into the AC line and increase is range. Then find an elevated point to hit said treb.

Can a treb from outside SM hit a treb on top of SM? What about the JP vistas in the EBG keeps?

Yes.

I’ve taken out trebs on the top floor of SM using a treb from behind the lord’s room of Durios and from a cliff edge leading up to the Vista on the plateau Southwest of the Overlook Keep. Firing from that same plateau will allow you to hit trebs built on the rockdog sculpture near the vista at Overlook Keep or on the South-facing side of the “lighthouse”.

Any treb built near the edge of the platforms on the top floor of SM can be taken out with ballista from below; and that’s without points in ballista mastery.

Though I have yet to do it myself, other players on the server have built trebs on the high ground inside the ogre camp to hit trebs inside of SM.

To counter a treb near the vista of the blue keep on EBG, climb the ruins to the North and build a treb up there. These are the same ruins sometimes used to cata or treb Quentin; but could be used to hit the blue keep just as easily.

To counter a treb at the vista of the green keep may require capturing Jerrifer’s first; but still do-able.

The maps are not just randomly thrown together. They are carefully constructed around a rock : paper : scissors system. There are counters to everything; you just have to find them.

Rob.7624:

All those trebs. Either on Vistas in keep or 3rd floor SM can be ballista’d.

I honestly had no idea. I assume the ones atop SM have to be hit from the ground? The Red keep from that plateau near Anzalias? And the Green keep from the cliffside at Jerrifers?

Rob.7624:

You point to me a treb (SS it) and I’ll tell you how you can take it down free of charge.

How about atop blue keep? I can’t think of how you could get to that one, not that it’s all that useful.

For one thing, we actually held Bay, tyvm. Another is, you are only speaking of unprotected Treb’s in these situations given. When a large zerg rushes and plops a cata or treb, you aren’t going to build another without the build site being wiped. Why else do you think anyone ever started using Ele’s?

Again, it’s another layer of defense being ‘removed’ to force melee and zerging. This IS solely of Anet’s choosing to do so.

For those who complained, “Swirling’s Boring”. Well, how is being stuck sitting in towers refreshing a metric kitten ton of siege now, not even more boring?

DeWolfe.2174:

For one thing, we actually held Bay, tyvm. Another is, you are only speaking of unprotected Treb’s in these situations given. When a large zerg rushes and plops a cata or treb, you aren’t going to build another without the build site being wiped. Why else do you think anyone ever started using Ele’s?

Again, it’s another layer of defense being ‘removed’ to force melee and zerging. This IS solely of Anet’s choosing to do so.

For those who complained, “Swirling’s Boring”. Well, how is being stuck sitting in towers refreshing a metric kitten ton of siege now, not even more boring?

It’s only boring by your personal definition. Some players rather enjoy claiming a tower or keep in the name of their guild and making it their “home”. Running supply, setting up rotating guard duty, escorting inbound Dolyaks, building siege, upgrading it, and defending it against attackers is their personal definition of fun. Taking pride in knowing that – come reset night – they held their tower or keep against all odds for an entire week.

If that’s not your definition of fun, that’s perfectly OK. That’s the beauty of WvWvW; there’s room for several different approaches to the game.

^ Umm….. I didn’t include myself in with those complaining of swirling being boring. I am a builder too! Why else would I care so much about swirling being removed?

Okay Rob … for fun, I have no screenie, but lets have some fun. Would be nice break from the pvf going on with todays events.

Middle isle – any BL. treb for the water gate… best counter starting from scratch?

:)

~ X [RE], Kaineng

robocafaz.9017:

Rob.7624:

All those trebs. Either on Vistas in keep or 3rd floor SM can be ballista’d.

I honestly had no idea. I assume the ones atop SM have to be hit from the ground? The Red keep from that plateau near Anzalias? And the Green keep from the cliffside at Jerrifers?

Rob.7624:

You point to me a treb (SS it) and I’ll tell you how you can take it down free of charge.

How about atop blue keep? I can’t think of how you could get to that one, not that it’s all that useful.

Green keep is Aldons side, you can 2 skill aoe through floor.

Blue keep top of lords is on ground on grub side/grass/ on ruined structure

DeWolfe.2174:

For one thing, we actually held Bay, tyvm. Another is, you are only speaking of unprotected Treb’s in these situations given. When a large zerg rushes and plops a cata or treb, you aren’t going to build another without the build site being wiped. Why else do you think anyone ever started using Ele’s?

Again, it’s another layer of defense being ‘removed’ to force melee and zerging. This IS solely of Anet’s choosing to do so.

For those who complained, “Swirling’s Boring”. Well, how is being stuck sitting in towers refreshing a metric kitten ton of siege now, not even more boring?

So you’re saying that you should be able to stop 30players?

I’m sorry. But if they have a ton more people than you, you lose.

That being said.
Large zergs have no need to treb unless the enemy is non-existent. Making your point invalid.

And I’m also not speaking of unprotected trebs. I’ve flashed ballistas up with my 5 man team. Held the location for 20seconds as my teammate kills the trebs and then we all scram.

Guardians make this task easy with mass CC and heavy healing.

But you seem to be in full QQ mode. So er.
Goodbye.

is not fun when u have a party 5 eles doin Swirl Swirl Swirl Swirl Swirl Swirl Swirl Swirl Swirl Swirl Swirl Swirl Swirl -.-

Rob, what you speak of doesn’t exist in the higher tiers. The dynamic is different as 30 is the smaller sized Zerg’s, not the large. Considering how many post you’ve made, what else could you add?

robocafaz.9017:

Rob.7624:

Flash superior treb. Commander can do it np.

Or trait into the AC line and increase is range. Then find an elevated point to hit said treb.

Can a treb from outside SM hit a treb on top of SM? What about the JP vistas in the EBG keeps?

Well I know you can counter treb from Durios, not sure about other towers never tried.

thiagoperne.7340:

And please STOP blaming Anet and sieges because your server did not have players enough in the borderland to defend the keep at that moment.

Change map to Engines vs engines not world vs world. The maps are now full of pve mobs, full of zergs and full of enginess. Where is pvp ?

Hexin.5603:

Middle isle – any BL. treb for the water gate… best counter starting from scratch?

Oh, I know this one! Walk up to it and kill it. :P

Counter treb it.

It’s wat people used to do before they where all swallowed up by the Blob

You are complaining that Anet wants you to engage in combat in their WvW system?

dank.3680:

Well I know you can counter treb from Durios, not sure about other towers never tried.

If a SM treb can hit a tower’s walls, that tower’s treb can hit SM walls.