Guild Wars 2

Hrist.8972:

Why do whiners care about score? I don’t get it, if you enjoy WvW then you don’t stop playing it because of some silly score, you stop playing it because there is no enemy. But obviously there’s plenty of enemy around this time, so why sit back and cry like a kid? Get out there and do your best, the score means nothing.

Thank you for being the only person in this entire thread to make sense. This is apparently lost on everyone else, yet they continue to cry about it.

Webley.1295:

Fighting a bunch of bad zergy gang bangers from FR. This is not an elite video.

Next video will be me and my mate ambushing them as they go back to the zerg from spawn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taXRLuFkyXo

NOTE: I popped thieves guild because I expected more from the necromancer, but he turned out rubbish and it was a waste

All wearing 3 orbs buff. The guardian showed up with a thief so I had to bail as thats not I fight I cant win unless I catch the thief off guard

Such stronk Unload spam. Why did you encode your video with black bars?

from my point (SR player ) we lose this week because:
1. numbers and night cap – every noon we have to recapture everything full fortified with max 25-30 ppls / map vs 50 + frs ,
2. it is true that Arborstone got more experience in huge zergs since they had better enemy’s , but we will improve on this point

Riverside here

Good fights on Riverside Borderlands all around. The french PSY-Crew is a tough group and defending their keep very well. OSC from SR is equally challenging and usually do well defending their keep or assaulting us.

We noticed that SR starts losing mapower around 10-11pm UTC+1 quickly. It then evolves into a two way fight between us and the french guys. I heard from other guilds who were playing on blue borderlands, that it’s very hard to do something useful there because SR do not even show up anymore.

But regardless, I hope the rest of the week will be as good as the last 3 days had been.
Thanks to all people involveld. Keep up the spirit and go out there smash some enemies.

Nightcapping/Invisibility just made me not want to go into WvWvW at all. Props to those who are still fighting to be honest.

And i’m not saying that trying to take the merit out of Arbostone. You guys are doing a good job and are dedicated (very dedicated to be honest) to the point of being able to hold 100% of the objectives during the night and fighting very hard and competitive during the day.
We here at Seafarer’s Rest haven’t got the luck to have a steady night crew yet but we’re proud to know that we got to tier 2 without night capping most of the times – most points were won during prime-time (save the very few times we fought servers with an even worse nightcrew).
Besides i know alot of warhammer french guilds there atm, good to see you french fries eaters rolling → Night Lords, LNM, Soul Reapors, Millenium Old School etc. Le oui.

Big shout out from mighty pink which hunter SejANUS over here. I’m mostly focusing on tPvP but if you see a very hawt blondie ranger kicking kitten in the open, its probably me :P

Hey glad to see you again

And i’m not saying that trying to take the merit out of Arbostone. You guys are doing a good job and are dedicated (very dedicated to be honest) to the point of being able to hold 100% of the objectives during the night and fighting very hard and competitive during the day.

Well, nightcap is clearly boring, unfortunately the game is make in this way… :/
We want to fight in D1, so we have no choice…, once this is achieved… well.. maybe we stop all this shi* and play only prime time like in warhammer again… i don"t know. GW2 is too recent to make decision atm.

Well Vizunah greatly outnumbers Elona actually. But obviously they are not used to people fighting back at night. FS smashes on Vizunah heavily during the evening and Elona just keeps their parts of the map.

But Elona will most likely not stand up like this forever. Most people playing at night have to go to work the next day and all they do is jumping Battlegrounds to use on force for all BGs. This way they only need 1/3 off the people to defend, since they just smash Vizunah if they are equal on numbers.

But it’s hard to do this forever and Elona normally does not have a large nightcrew, but normally they are completly on one map and switch to another if things get rough. If a Server has 30 people on every map they will most likely feel outmanned in every situation, since a large bunch of germans hop the battlefields to tear down any enemy zerg they find.

Since the maps are really small you do not need a large nightcrew, you just need to reinforce what you have to make it easier to jump between battlegrounds and you need some scouts on the maps to see incomings early. Thats how Elona does it, and although they seem to have collected most of the german nightplayers the are no match for Vizunah if it comes to numbers, they just beat them by being sometimes cleverer than them.

it’s funny to read of people who says “invisible people cause me to leave WvW” “those french zerg everywhere” etc etc.
The truth is that when we were the best server of the three servers in every mape we had at least 30 minutes of queue, now thate we are loosing is a total different story…even EB is without queue; thats explain only 1 things on Sea is full of talkers and poor of real players.
Move your *ss and play instead of complainig about every single thing because even when the invisibility problem was at the maximum the 4 locations were almost always full!!!!

Yeah very little hacks, also invisibility problem isn’t even that bad anymore and this is the time you choose to stop playing? Makes no sense.

AND invisibility. Main point is still the fact that whenever i login (i play during night), 95% of the map is from Arbostone with all keeps fully upgraded. Then i look around and barely see 10 people without any organization due the fact we don’t have a night guild crew. While Arborstone have 50 people running around together.

I don’t care though, i do understand that if you want to be in high tiers you must nightcap for more points and so on. Its just not fun though, so i rather do tPvP with my groups/premade. And things will get better for tPvP with the Customized Arena and payed tournaments end of month hopefully… not so sure for WvWvW though, things look dire since people is already bored with night-capping and trying to get people from different time-zones to rely on. And no matter how many people you kill using smart strategies or defending objectives and so on, mindlessly zerging keeps is what gives more points… and i’m already tired of PvDoor from Warhammer (hence i was only roaming in a group). So yeah, hopefully Anet will do something to change that, and reflect score with more PvP instead of PvE.

Yesterday SFR had one of the better days of this matchup – if not scorewise, at least funwise.

First VII took the lead on homelands, united a rag tag group of bloodthirsty seafarers and took garrison + bay with lots of good fighting. While this was going on VII (I believe) was preparing for a golem assault on hill keep and assembled a force of 10 golems. Unfortunately for us, the evil french oppressors quickly caught on to our plan and did a mass charge that crushed our golem force. Shortly after the french took their revenge by massing their own golems and kicked us off the map. Still, I think everyone involved had a good time.

Later, OSC with Jude Oscure leading took charge on Riverside borderlands taking garrison, hill keep and raiding bay keep of the orb after some excellent ninja work by a small group of PCP secret agents. Again, lots of fun for all involved.

Overall, Arborstone is just too strong of an opponent for us. You seem to have a good number of capable guilds (Millenium old school, BL, LNM at least) that only the best guilds on SFR are able to match and a much higher WvW population. Coupled with a strong nighttime presence we can’t give you proper opposition – this time

Only thing we can do the rest of this matchup is try to have fun and hopefully learn a few tricks and tactics from our french foes. Oh, and give the kitten a fight for second place :p

Hrist.8972:

Crying about the points and score is stupid if you’re not even trying to contribute. If you’d rather do something else than WvW because things aren’t going well then I suggest you never go into WvW again.

Oh i contributed quite some trust me. Ask Desolation about last week how long did it took them to take our last tower in EB (was defending it with other 10 people for 2-3 hours before they could complete their nightcap). But this week there seem to even be less people to try anything, and unfortunately 5-6 guys cannot make a big difference against 50… maybe we can steal what? 100 points during the whole night?

You mistake crying for being realistic.
The score as it is does not reflect PvP, it reflects PvE and how long you can keep objectives, which makes night-capping the main viable strategy… since the best way to hold an objective for long period is when there is no one attacking it. Unfortunately that is the state of the game as it is. I understand this and acknowledge Arborstone and Riverside superiority over this, since they are able to field people around the clock more then us, its ok… no one is crying about anything.

I just wish that our 200+ kills with 2 groups during prime-time would count as much people fighting no opposition mindlessly taking empty objectives. That is why i don’t do WvWvW that much anymore.

Still focusing too much on the score.

Hrist.8972:

Still focusing too much on the score.

I’m focusing on the score, but not because i’m mad that my server is losing… quite honestly i don’t care so much about score since – again – it does not reflect PvP as much as PvE. And i’m actually praising our opponents for being stronger then us overall… there is simple not much we can do. Fighting with 10 people against 50-60 when they’re defending an objective that is fully upgraded is impossible to achieve any kind of reward/fun. And if we fight outside an objective (ganking and guerrilla style) does not reward as much or nothing at all (hence the score focus).

I’m focusing on the score looking at the game over all, especially WvWvW. Hoping for a change to make things more interesting and keep its player base on the long term… i mean, just look the threads around about a whole bunch of people asking for a change on scoring and you’ll understand.

I can understand it somewhat. But I don’t see any reason to complain about scoring if we are outnumbered. People need to get back on WvW, I don’t really understand why guilds stopped playing, it helps nothing at all and no point will be made. Get back to WvW, then contemplate on any scoring there might be.

Hrist.8972:

I can understand it somewhat. But I don’t see any reason to complain about scoring if we are outnumbered. People need to get back on WvW, I don’t really understand why guilds stopped playing, it helps nothing at all and no point will be made. Get back to WvW, then contemplate on any scoring there might be.

Because people play for fun/reward. At the moment there is neither in W3…

Changing the score system will at least give people reward for going out there, which is actually helping your server with accordingly points, and people will feel like going out more in WvWvW as well for kills and roaming with guerrilla tactics since it will be equally rewarding then taking empty objectives (as it is now), and this itself is fun doing.

Do you also think that the people is night-capping fighting nothing but NPCs are also having fun? They are only doing this for the reward, but there is no fun involved in this… and soon they will grow bored of that.

Example from someone in Arborstone:

Hey glad to see you again

Well, nightcap is clearly boring, unfortunately the game is make in this way… :/
We want to fight in D1, so we have no choice…, once this is achieved… well.. maybe we stop all this shi* and play only prime time like in warhammer again… i don"t know. GW2 is too recent to make decision atm.

Hope you get the point why things must change.

I guess I have something wrong with my head since I can have fun whenever I hop into WvW. Reward was never something I expected from it.

I’d first like to see some change from playerbase though.

Hrist.8972:

I guess I have something wrong with my head since I can have fun whenever I hop into WvW. Reward was never something I expected from it.

I do too.. to some extend. But i have much more fun at the moment in tournaments (due the explanations i gave above), hence why not going out in W3

This doesn’t have much to do with score. It started last week when we were winning, because so many people got tired of invisibility, constant daily orb and other hacks, and the fact that you can’t even play siege in WvW because all your keep upgrades will disappear few hours later when nightcapping starts.

What does this mean? It means you can’t play in a zerg, because 40vs40 invisible people battle is no fun. It means you can’t play with keep defenses because you either stare at invisible armies in front of the gates, or you spend gold upgrading keeps in vain because it all vanishes in the night. Same with siege – I would have fun building trebuchets, ballistas, catapults, all for fun defense.. but the enemy doesn’t even need to attack. They only need to wait few hours and take empty keep. So what’s left? Roaming. You can roam around trying to solo others while constantly bumping into enemy zergs and sooner or later you get tired of it and quit or as you see people switch to sPvP.

This is a global issue.

And about the score – competitive players quit after first 12-24hours of the round because by if enemy was stronger then, after that it’s even stronger. 3 orbs mean +600 stat points and +15% max hp to every enemy player. That’s huge. Then fully upgraded keeps and even camps. WvW at that point stops being competitive, which means competitive players have absolutely nothing to play for.

Dear lord, everything i post in these forums gets moderated/deleted.

Anyway, what i wanted to say is that the real competitive part of the game is in tPvP, not really WvWvW.

So yeah @ Topic
Good luck Arborstone in tier 1 next week ! I think we’ll get Blacktide next week which is also a full server who got an massive incomming of guilds… we already handled them before, but we’ll see now that they got even more numbers.

What is competitive is largely up to the participants. For a lot of SFR people, WvW is a competition and a competition we want to win – so WvW is competitive. It’s pretty clear Arborstone has a similar attitude, only with more people and (I hate to say it) more skill at WvW.

Well, obviously there are less and less people playing wvw, since it makes no sense for servers who has no night raid groups. Who would like to build up a castle, if he knows he will loose it during the night. So yeah wvw fights are fun, but not if your whole zerg suddenly appears to be dead because of an invisibile enemy. Dont tell me it got better and its not a reason to stop playing. I go to wvw to have mass fights, but mass fights are barely possible at the moment.

Only time I’ve witnessed ‘invisible’ zerg win is with portal trick. No running zerg has surprised me since the last update.

Fun fights on wednesday evening in our Riverside Borderland. Hats off to Arborstone, they were able to hold off an incredible amount of pressure. The Seafarers went around our back attacking us instead after a while certainly did not help, but it was fun nevertheless.

Props to everyone involved, some amazing hours of WvWvW.

Special thanks for Riverside (i’m in SFR) guild tagged BRUT (if im not wrong, tired ) for responding in call for help and coming to nuke french botters