Guild Wars 2

Eh, not really griping about this…But kinda funny to see people (EU or otherwise) get on here and say stuff to the effect of: “Just cause you got into WvW on reset, and you say theres queues afterward, you should think about the people that did not get into reset cause they logged in later than you”….Thats great, I will also try to think about charities and the worlds problems when I play, because you know that is what a game is for: other people not myself………Luckily for me I will be home from work well before reset, so before you think that I am just a QQing NA person, don’t.

I just think it is a bit ironic so many high and mighty souls are on here trumpeting the cause of those NA/SA/Canadian peoples stuck in queues and unable to play all this time before the change, while telling others that just because you were able to get into WvW during the previous reset times, you should be grateful and just learn to like the fact that you can’t now but your server-mates can.

Instead you now point the finger at people that find themselves in a similar boat that you were once in, you have have turned a 180 at the hypocritical speed of light and went on the defensive, when in reality everyone on these forums knows this is ANET’s mess….But you are too worried about yourselves to point the issue to where it should be.

So keep going on about how “NA” people should not be selfish, all the while being selfish in your quest to keep your new fangled reset time lol.

In closing, again: not mad at all about the reset because it does not affect me, just pointing out the hypocrisy on display…And I did not name, names….so if you get on here flaming me we will know your guilty conscience is shining through.

I’m in the eastern time zone and I honestly preferred the 8pm reset time. Especially now that spring is here and the weather is nice. The old reset time gave us time to get in a round of golf after work, maybe a few drinks on the patio, a nice dinner…stuff generally associated with Friday afternoon/early evening. And then we had a nice night of WvW on top of an enjoyable Friday afternoon and evening.

Luckily tomorrow it will be raining at reset time so I’ll probably log in. However, most spring days at reset time the temps outside will be in the mid 70s. There’s no way in hell I’m coming inside to sit down in front of a computer on those days just because the matches are resetting.

This is a STUPID STUPID move and will lead to a HUGE loss of members. Please remove the statement “this benefits everyone” from the login screen, as this benefits pretty much ONLY EU/Oceanics. PST is hit hardest, then CST and then EST; pretty much all of NA is going to take a huge hit. People are either still at work(PST), just getting off work(CST/EST), or starting to eat dinner(EST). Good luck getting participation from the major guilds(those that SUPPORT your WvW) with this move.

T1 especially is going to be hit hard by this, although one of the servers won’t be hit as hard(JQ). My guild is looking at losing probably 30-40% of our numbers on reset night at least for the first 3-4 hrs(assuming a 2hr q). That basically cuts our playtime on reset by more than 60%(we will be fielding way less numbers and probably have people not staying on as long due to q times).

Oh well, this is what you get when you don’t properly plan things before you create them.

King Amadaeus.8619:

I just think it is a bit ironic so many high and mighty souls are on here trumpeting the cause of those NA/SA/Canadian peoples stuck in queues and unable to play all this time before the change, while telling others that just because you were able to get into WvW during the previous reset times, you should be grateful and just learn to like the fact that you can’t now but your server-mates can.

Instead you now point the finger at people that find themselves in a similar boat that you were once in, you have have turned a 180 at the hypocritical speed of light and went on the defensive, when in reality everyone on these forums knows this is ANET’s mess….But you are too worried about yourselves to point the issue to where it should be.

So keep going on about how “NA” people should not be selfish, all the while being selfish in your quest to keep your new fangled reset time lol.

In closing, again: not mad at all about the reset because it does not affect me, just pointing out the hypocrisy on display…And I did not name, names….so if you get on here flaming me we will know your guilty conscience is shining through.

Nice try, especially that last bit. Except we’re talking about something that’s good for our community as a whole (and pointing out that the likely impact on your community doesn’t compare to the impact that the reset time had on ours), while some (but not all) NA people are just griping about what fits themselves as individuals.

SoggyFrog.4170:

King Amadaeus.8619:

I just think it is a bit ironic so many high and mighty souls are on here trumpeting the cause of those NA/SA/Canadian peoples stuck in queues and unable to play all this time before the change, while telling others that just because you were able to get into WvW during the previous reset times, you should be grateful and just learn to like the fact that you can’t now but your server-mates can.

Instead you now point the finger at people that find themselves in a similar boat that you were once in, you have have turned a 180 at the hypocritical speed of light and went on the defensive, when in reality everyone on these forums knows this is ANET’s mess….But you are too worried about yourselves to point the issue to where it should be.

So keep going on about how “NA” people should not be selfish, all the while being selfish in your quest to keep your new fangled reset time lol.

In closing, again: not mad at all about the reset because it does not affect me, just pointing out the hypocrisy on display…And I did not name, names….so if you get on here flaming me we will know your guilty conscience is shining through.

Nice try, especially that last bit. Except we’re talking about something that’s good for our community as a whole (and pointing out that the likely impact on your community doesn’t compare to the impact that the reset time had on ours), while some (but not all) NA people are just griping about what fits themselves as individuals.

Oh please, that’s EXACTLY what you were doing too.

When we usually run with a force of 40+ on reset and hear that 15-20 won’t be able to make the new reset times…yea that isn’t good for the community.

SoggyFrog.4170:

King Amadaeus.8619:

I just think it is a bit ironic so many high and mighty souls are on here trumpeting the cause of those NA/SA/Canadian peoples stuck in queues and unable to play all this time before the change, while telling others that just because you were able to get into WvW during the previous reset times, you should be grateful and just learn to like the fact that you can’t now but your server-mates can.

Instead you now point the finger at people that find themselves in a similar boat that you were once in, you have have turned a 180 at the hypocritical speed of light and went on the defensive, when in reality everyone on these forums knows this is ANET’s mess….But you are too worried about yourselves to point the issue to where it should be.

So keep going on about how “NA” people should not be selfish, all the while being selfish in your quest to keep your new fangled reset time lol.

In closing, again: not mad at all about the reset because it does not affect me, just pointing out the hypocrisy on display…And I did not name, names….so if you get on here flaming me we will know your guilty conscience is shining through.

Nice try, especially that last bit. Except we’re talking about something that’s good for our community as a whole (and pointing out that the likely impact on your community doesn’t compare to the impact that the reset time had on ours), while some (but not all) NA people are just griping about what fits themselves as individuals.

Like I said there is no “try”, I did not have any agenda other than to point out the hypocrisy involved with getting on here and trying to justify to people that the screwing they took on the biggest night they enjoyed a game, was justified due to the screwing you took for “so many months”….My point is, that someone is doing that screwing and it aint NA/EU, so instead of getting on here writing novels that essentially have the “we suffered, now you suffer” tone, why not get on here and support each other and blast ANET with your feedback….

If your house gets robbed twice in a month, and then the next month it’s your neighbor, you don’t walk across the street and say: “Well Bob, that sucks for you buddy, but I got it twice last month so now you know how it feels….” Bob didn’t want you to get robbed, just like NA didn’t want you guys to have a crappy reset, these were things that were out of our control, hence shouldn’t be “punished” for it now.

Also, before the ANET apologists come with their flamethrowers: Yes I realize the ANET guy (I do not know him, so I am not calling him out by name like we are beer drinking buddies like some of you do…)said they are on it, that is awesome, but we all know in life and especially with ANET: The squeaky wheel gets the grease!

somsom.5201:

PST is hit hardest, then CST and then EST;

Yea, us guys on mountain time are totally cool with this, we hit the sweeeeeeet spot, not too late, not too early, juuust right.

WTF, man?!? LOL

On a serious note, ANet is now saying they are looking at a split as a (the?) high priority item, so I’m confident it will get fixed. That they are still keeping the time change blows, but EU has got it in the shorts since release, so I think we can suck it up for a while.

somsom.5201:

SoggyFrog.4170:

Nice try, especially that last bit. Except we’re talking about something that’s good for our community as a whole (and pointing out that the likely impact on your community doesn’t compare to the impact that the reset time had on ours), while some (but not all) NA people are just griping about what fits themselves as individuals.

Oh please, that’s EXACTLY what you were doing too.

When we usually run with a force of 40+ on reset and hear that 15-20 won’t be able to make the new reset times…yea that isn’t good for the community.

Please don’t reduce it to that, and I’ll extend you the same courtesy. The absurd reset time didn’t work for anyone in the EU, which is why I say it’s a boon for the community.

King, most of what I wrote was directed at people who trivialized or ignored the issues that EU was facing (I could also name names but it should be obvious from my first post here), sorry if I did the same regarding the problems that NA guilds will now have.

I was going to leave it at my post to Bella but you invited that by your somewhat perplexing charity statement. People were pointing out the other NA players because on the balance sheet of gains and losses from the change it seemed to us that you were neutral and we were positive. Obviously the guild part of the equation was left out, since most of us don’t know what a Guild-wide WvW reset event is

somsom.5201:

This is a STUPID STUPID move and will lead to a HUGE loss of members. Please remove the statement “this benefits everyone” from the login screen, as this benefits pretty much ONLY EU/Oceanics. PST is hit hardest, then CST and then EST; pretty much all of NA is going to take a huge hit. People are either still at work(PST), just getting off work(CST/EST), or starting to eat dinner(EST). Good luck getting participation from the major guilds(those that SUPPORT your WvW) with this move.

T1 especially is going to be hit hard by this, although one of the servers won’t be hit as hard(JQ). My guild is looking at losing probably 30-40% of our numbers on reset night at least for the first 3-4 hrs(assuming a 2hr q). That basically cuts our playtime on reset by more than 60%(we will be fielding way less numbers and probably have people not staying on as long due to q times).

Oh well, this is what you get when you don’t properly plan things before you create them.

So if you cant make it at the start your play no longer effects in wvw? You could play after the start because its a full week not one day or in your case 3hr that works out if you are in first 2ed or 3ed for total points.

Rotating the Reset Times so every major region could experience “Prime Time Reset” would have been so much better as a temporary solution than what ANet has come up with.

As it is most of EU still faces a midnight or later Reset and arguably the single most popular and well-attended Guild and Server-wide event has just been decimated for all of NA.

With the screwy and inconsistent way the WvW Map Queues work it’s not like NA players can even just play the game while queued and hope to get in as it seems sometimes changing Maps or going to LA can reset your queue position.

I’m very sad and disappointed with ANet’s decision. I think it is going to have a much bigger impact on the NA Community than they expect. It is the equivalent of cancelling a very popular prime time TV show. A lot of people won’t watch the replacement show, they will just find something else to do.

DevonCarver.5370:

We are in the process of working out how/if we can split the NA and EU resets. For now, this change is the way going forward. It’s my hope we will have an update about this soon as I’ve made it a priority.

If you are going to split the NA/EU resets anyways, why go ahead with the stop-gap measure that pleases no one?

On top of that, you are going to destroy the Reset Night event has been the highlight of many (if not most) guilds week on the NA servers.

Once those people begin to drift away and make other plans for Friday night (because once you miss the first chance to get in after reset, you’re queued for hours), it remains to be seen if they will come back.

In effect, Anet is killing a “golden goose” by doing this. Reset Night was completely player-organized, and created the “glue”, at least on our server, that kept people in the game and coming back. Other MMO’s would kill for something like that.

Yet, Anet is going to summarily destroy that for a temporary measure that by your own admission will later be reversed. Why? Why? Why?

Thrumdi.9216:

DevonCarver.5370:

We are in the process of working out how/if we can split the NA and EU resets. For now, this change is the way going forward. It’s my hope we will have an update about this soon as I’ve made it a priority.

If you are going to split the NA/EU resets anyways, why go ahead with the stop-gap measure that pleases no one?

On top of that, you are going to destroy the Reset Night event has been the highlight of many (if not most) guilds week on the NA servers.

Once those people begin to drift away and make other plans for Friday night (because once you miss the first chance to get in after reset, you’re queued for hours), it remains to be seen if they will come back.

In effect, Anet is killing a “golden goose” by doing this. Reset Night was completely player-organized, and created the “glue”, at least on our server, that kept people in the game and coming back. Other MMO’s would kill for something like that.

Yet, Anet is going to summarily destroy that for a temporary measure that by your own admission will later be reversed. Why? Why? Why?

Yes that the idea of a good solution no one will be comply happy but no one is comply left out. THAT IS LIFE. Any way if your just playing WvW on the switch then your not truly playing WvW your just fighting some random ppl in pvp at best. WvW is a week long event just being “first” to do something during that week means nothing like doing well on the fight night or doing bad means nothing because that only a small part of the week.

somsom.5201:

This is a STUPID STUPID move and will lead to a HUGE loss of members. Please remove the statement “this benefits everyone” from the login screen, as this benefits pretty much ONLY EU/Oceanics. PST is hit hardest, then CST and then EST; pretty much all of NA is going to take a huge hit. People are either still at work(PST), just getting off work(CST/EST), or starting to eat dinner(EST). Good luck getting participation from the major guilds(those that SUPPORT your WvW) with this move.

T1 especially is going to be hit hard by this, although one of the servers won’t be hit as hard(JQ). My guild is looking at losing probably 30-40% of our numbers on reset night at least for the first 3-4 hrs(assuming a 2hr q). That basically cuts our playtime on reset by more than 60%(we will be fielding way less numbers and probably have people not staying on as long due to q times).

Oh well, this is what you get when you don’t properly plan things before you create them.

Benefits ONLY Eu oceanics?

EU has more servers than US. Add to that the Oceanics and the ‘only’ benefited people are in the majority….

tagnut.8621:

EU has more servers than US. Add to that the Oceanics and the ‘only’ benefited people are in the majority….

It doesn’t benefit oceanics. It just doesn’t effect us as much as west coast NA.

For east coast aussie players the old reset was at 10am Saturday morning. The new one is 8am which while still doable is annoying and requires heading to bed earlier on a friday night if you want to be awake enough to function at reset.

6am instead of 8am for a lot of SEA players isn’t a great change either.

endirasae.3015:

Well, Australian players gets shafted again. Shocker.

10-11am on a Saturday morning was too perfect to last, I suppose.

Just quoting this because the primary focus of this thread continues to be NA vs EU for some reason that i cant comprehend.

Turns out this screws over Australian time zones as well. 2 PM PST / 5 PM EST = 7 AM their time. Not exactly what i would call optimal or convenient either.

Nice to hear that Devon has this as a top priority. Hopefully it gets worked out soon.

Quenta.2978:

I mean, if reset is at 5 PM CST, people who work until 5 PM won’t be getting in either.

I cannot resist to answer him.

And because every EU player is vampire from Twillight, we dont need to sleep. Never. So we can work at day, then play GW2, they work again and repaet.
Ahh we vampires know how to live.

Anet I think great work. There are people angry that they need to eat dinned while playing. But they probably never tried playing while sleeping. Thats harder.
If you wll split EU and US servers, good option, but too late. You should it done from start. I cant imagine that nobod in your company thought about it.

Hule.8794:

Quenta.2978:

I mean, if reset is at 5 PM CST, people who work until 5 PM won’t be getting in either.

I cannot resist to answer him.

And because every EU player is vampire from Twillight, we dont need to sleep. Never. So we can work at day, then play GW2, they work again and repaet.
Ahh we vampires know how to live.

Anet I think great work. There are people angry that they need to eat dinned while playing. But they probably never tried playing while sleeping. Thats harder.
If you wll split EU and US servers, good option, but too late. You should it done from start. I cant imagine that nobod in your company thought about it.

You mean that every EU player that had a CHOICE to play at reset or not. Where is that choice for the NA/SA player now? We have to be at work. We don’t have 7-9 hours after work to relax and decide if we want to play tonight. WE WILL BE AT WORK. That is a huge change and only impacts the NA/SA crowd. Give me a 2am reset any night tof the week, at least I have a CHOICE to play or not. I could take a nap and sleep beforehand and wake refreshed for reset. Now oh, that’s right, I AM AT WORK. Quit complaining you had to choose to stay up in the EU, you at least had a choice. The majority of the NA/SA players have no choice at all.

Bella.6432:

Immolator.5640:

We’ve had to deal with this for 8 months, we don’t have a ‘major community event full of thrillz and excitement’, we have a caffeine-driven, groggy, wearying journey of perseverance and who falls asleep at their keyboard first. Not to mention my stomach’s rumbling the entire time – need moar noodles – don’t have time to go get food whilst leading; making everyone wait 5 minutes so you can go get food isn’t exactly a nice thing to do when they’ve stayed up ’til all hours in the morning to attend the event.

NA dudes, I know this sucks for you, it sucked for every EU player who wanted to get a decent night’s sleep each week, and for every EU player who doesn’t want to wake on Saturday feeling like a pile of kitten (which btw we do, trust me, I’ve done it) and for every EU player who can’t stay up until 5am in the morning due to irl constraints.

Can’t you guys deal with it for like one week, then you can shaft us again and we’ll continue bearing the burden for you like we’ve been doing for 8 months? I just want to sleep for once without feeling like I’m betraying my server/guildies…

You EU players certainly have my sympathy, you probably now have it from most of the other NA players .. It seems most of us never even knew of your plight with reset night. I mean, you are a seperate set of servers, we can’t guest there, and personally, I thought you were just like us.

I was under the assumption that if I decided to play on your servers, your reset would be at least 5 hours before the one I was used to because of the time difference, so instead of 7 or 8pm eastern, it would be at 2 or 3pm GMT.

Obviously I don’t read enough.. and tend to make assumptions based on what seems most logical. :P

I truly am sorry you guys have had to deal with this sort of thing for 8mos and that it’s taken this long to get any sort of solution that was at least somewhat beneficial for all of you. I honestly had no idea, I mean, there was no reason for me to even look at the goings on with EU servers seeing I didn’t and couldn’t play on them.

This doesn’t mean that I agree with what Anets done, with many of us already looking at other games because it took so long to fix WvW, the taking away of the one thing that kept us playing, the Friday night reset event, is sort of the nail in the coffin for many of us as far as GW2 goes.

We’ve lost many dedicated players in the past because of things not being fixed, causing WvW to lose it’s appeal to many. Recently it’s been so much better, we’ve even had PvE’ers who never WvW joining us on Friday nights as they began to discover how much fun WvW could be… and then Anet does this..

I’m sure people will adjust. For the EU players, I am glad that you’ve finally gotten Anet to listen, but for many of us NA players, I can’t help but be quite sad really. Our one big server wide event destroyed as so many will be unable to attend now.

Playing with them is what made it such a big deal, so much fun, and is the one thing that kept a lot of us in WvW and playing GW2 at all. Sure, many will still play regardless, but sadly, there will be many who will not.

This time change just shows how little Anet understands about the community we have on our servers, how important the players are to one another, and unfortunately, shows their lack of concern for us altogether, as they continually do things which cause us to be so disgruntled.

WvW being broken for MONTHS.. many people left after being so fed up.
EU? 8 Months of having a totally ridiculous reset time!??!
And now this fix — taking away reset night for a good portion of people on NA servers.

Amen, +1, etc. I wuv you. People read this stuff plz ^ it’s surprisingly and endearingly both neutral and sympathetic, best and most persuasive post I’ve seen on this thread methinks… Bella you givez us hope for the attitude of the GW2 community!

Hule.8794:

Quenta.2978:

I mean, if reset is at 5 PM CST, people who work until 5 PM won’t be getting in either.

I cannot resist to answer him.

And because every EU player is vampire from Twillight, we dont need to sleep. Never. So we can work at day, then play GW2, they work again and repaet.
Ahh we vampires know how to live.

Anet I think great work. There are people angry that they need to eat dinned while playing. But they probably never tried playing while sleeping. Thats harder.
If you wll split EU and US servers, good option, but too late. You should it done from start. I cant imagine that nobod in your company thought about it.

Shifting your sleep schedule for a night is easier than shifting your work schedule for the vast majority of people. Not saying it’s easy, or recommended, but it’s a hell of a lot easier to take a nap and wake up for a late night reset (or just stay up late) once a week than to skip the last (several) hour(s) of your work day for a video game once a week.

Someone else determines when you’re allowed to come and go at work for most people. That doesn’t apply to sleep. Unless you still have a bedtime.

King Amadeus, if you want to understand the source of my exasperation read the preceding two posts from NA players. That kind of condescension implying EU players haven’t been trying to deal with the problem of late resets is what’s bringing down the tone of this discussion.

The change is great, 8am our time means we can log in for a couple of hours on a Saturday morning and have the rest of the day for our families.

Sucks for the poor EU players who have dealt with this for 8 months, we feel your pain brothers and sisters.

I think its hilarious how the US go up in arms over a 2 hour change when Oceanics have been dealing with MMO companies doing maintenance in our primetime for 20 years.

When all we get is “QQ MORE” responses every time we politely ask to be considered its very difficult for us to have any sympathy at all.

(West coast NA player)
Good change ANET, now the people in T1 and T2 with huge queues can QQ even more about how they have so much WvW presence that the queue will be full by the time they get home… DWI. Queues are the REASON you’re up there.

As for me in T5, this change does absolutely nothing. I get to play in WvW with my guildies regardless if i’m on time or 5 hours late… Heck, if anything, this change has just given me a larger window to choose when I want to play with my guildies for reset.

I feel sorry for my European/Aussie/SEA allies though. This change helps your hardcore base to play more, but the times are still tough for your casual players.

I think most of us can agree that this was a positive change for a majority of the GW2 population. We can also agree to laugh at the people who QQ about being forced to play a game at any time… ahahahaha “I’m forced to play a game”… tell that to the real world… and I used to be a WoW progression raider.

Bunter.3795:

You mean that every EU player that had a CHOICE to play at reset or not. Where is that choice for the NA/SA player now? We have to be at work. We don’t have 7-9 hours after work to relax and decide if we want to play tonight. WE WILL BE AT WORK. That is a huge change and only impacts the NA/SA crowd. Give me a 2am reset any night tof the week, at least I have a CHOICE to play or not. I could take a nap and sleep beforehand and wake refreshed for reset. Now oh, that’s right, I AM AT WORK. Quit complaining you had to choose to stay up in the EU, you at least had a choice. The majority of the NA/SA players have no choice at all.

You have a choice…don’t work or get another job that fits in with your play time.

Oh hang on, that’s not convenient for you, just like changing our entire life schedule isn’t either. Not everyone is a single person that can just adjust their sleeping to fit in but given how self centered you are, you will never get that.

Trikki.5803:

Bunter.3795:

You mean that every EU player that had a CHOICE to play at reset or not. Where is that choice for the NA/SA player now? We have to be at work. We don’t have 7-9 hours after work to relax and decide if we want to play tonight. WE WILL BE AT WORK. That is a huge change and only impacts the NA/SA crowd. Give me a 2am reset any night tof the week, at least I have a CHOICE to play or not. I could take a nap and sleep beforehand and wake refreshed for reset. Now oh, that’s right, I AM AT WORK. Quit complaining you had to choose to stay up in the EU, you at least had a choice. The majority of the NA/SA players have no choice at all.

You have a choice…don’t work or get another job that fits in with your play time.

Oh hang on, that’s not convenient for you, just like changing our entire life schedule isn’t either. Not everyone is a single person that can just adjust their sleeping to fit in but given how self centered you are, you will never get that.

Oh don’t work or get another job, great bit of logic there. Well if you want to pursue that infantile line of logic, why don’t all the EU move to NA/SA timezones. That would fix the problem just as easily.

If your “entire life schedule” is so rigid that you can’t do with two less hours of sleep a week, you don’t belong playing at midnight anyways. The NA/SA crowd isn’t forgoing a couple of hours of sleep now, they forgoing the ability to play. Period, Pure and simple. You cannot equate 2 hours of sleep to 2 hours being at work. They are not equal and not even close. You didn’t have to change your schedule, You had a choice in whether or not to change it. NA/SA does not have that choice. Whether we’re single or not, we don’t have the choice to play or not. You always did and still do.

Talk about self centered, the entire EU player base complaining about reset times is self-centered, so they can play for those magical two hours between midnight and 2am at the expense of 75% of the NA/SA playerbase. Guess your shortsightedness can’t see beyond your own nose.

You still have the choice to play, some of you might just have to wait in queues for a bit. But from what i’ve seen that normal as you have 4hour queues at reset anyway so people are always queing. Currently about 10% of EU players play reset down from 25% a few weeks ago. Now with the change we’ll be able to get 70% of them playing. You guys are still getting to play but will now have more time to play reset night itself. Why don’t you actually wait to see how it works before being all doom and gloom, who knows it might actually improve your servers WvW matchups. You don’t know til it’s happened, anything before is just guessing and supposition. So wait 2-3 weeks then come back and tell us how it’s completly killed all your servers and guilds due to 4 hour queues and no guilds getting in.

Thrumdi.9216:

If you are going to split the NA/EU resets anyways, why go ahead with the stop-gap measure that pleases no one?

On top of that, you are going to destroy the Reset Night event has been the highlight of many (if not most) guilds week on the NA servers.

This, its just ridiculous.

Bunter.3795:

Talk about self centered, the entire EU player base complaining about reset times is self-centered, so they can play for those magical two hours between midnight and 2am at the expense of 75% of the NA/SA playerbase. Guess your shortsightedness can’t see beyond your own nose.

The EU players in my guild have said that the extra 2 hours barely makes a different to them anyway. Either way they have to stay up very late to play.

Terra Dactyl.2047:

Shifting your sleep schedule for a night is easier than shifting your work schedule for the vast majority of people. Not saying it’s easy, or recommended, but it’s a hell of a lot easier to take a nap and wake up for a late night reset (or just stay up late) once a week than to skip the last (several) hour(s) of your work day for a video game once a week.

Someone else determines when you’re allowed to come and go at work for most people. That doesn’t apply to sleep. Unless you still have a bedtime.

Now since they are hopefully going to split the reset times this topic is getting kinda pointless, but for the sake of argument I’ll still respond to this, even though the overall tone has been shifted to more sensible one already.

So I agree that changing the reset time 2 hours earlier does help the hardcore players (in west/central Europe) to some extent to actually stay up for wee bit after the reset (to maybe 2-3 am so giving them time for the initial SM race etc). But like it’s been said casual people don’t really mess up their daily life in general for the game and most of the hardcores don’t either. We’re not talking about getting 2 hours more play we’re talking about people actually taking part in the reset at all. I personally go to sleep around 11-12 pm so I would have to stay up an extra 3-4 hours to see the reset and then add X hours to actually play at all during it. Like I’ve said I’ve never been in the reset as I live in GMT +2 so atm the reset happens at 3 am, so I don’t really know how many people have been there personally, but I’ve heard not too many. The issue might not affect the T1-3 servers that much since they have quite a few NA/SA guilds for coverage anyway.

We hope this split happens ASAP ofc, we’re not trying to screw you here you know. But it seems Anet does want to give us a slightly more sensible reset time for now after 8 months, so try to see if you can somehow manage with it until the change.

Bunter.3795:

Oh don’t work or get another job, great bit of logic there.

There is a little difference.
Work is needed because you want money to have good life.
Sleep is base human need. Its not your choice to sleep or not to sleep.

Some people dont go to work. They go to school, or are rich and dont work. Some people work at shifts. But each of this human need sleep. Its not choice to have comfort life, its basic need.

But on other had, will be better time than 5pm if reset will be 2am your time? EU and Oceanic players will agree with this change. And finally you wont need to quit job to play.

Actually I think that many EU players will be at reset. i saw it last week. I also was one of EU player sleeping on his keayboard, and left at 2am, few minutes before reset, because I could not hold my eyes open.

Hule.8794:

But on other had, will be better time than 5pm if reset will be 2am your time? EU and Oceanic players will agree with this change. And finally you wont need to quit job to play.

Oceanic players don’t necessarily agree to the change. For NZ players its probably OK, for east coast australia I would think the majority would rather not have to get up for an 8am start (I know I prefer starting at 10.00am, 11 am was even better when we had daylight saving), especially after Fri night and for WA its clearly more inconvenient.

morrolan.9608:

Thrumdi.9216:

If you are going to split the NA/EU resets anyways, why go ahead with the stop-gap measure that pleases no one?

On top of that, you are going to destroy the Reset Night event has been the highlight of many (if not most) guilds week on the NA servers.

This, its just ridiculous.

Bunter.3795:

Talk about self centered, the entire EU player base complaining about reset times is self-centered, so they can play for those magical two hours between midnight and 2am at the expense of 75% of the NA/SA playerbase. Guess your shortsightedness can’t see beyond your own nose.

The EU players in my guild have said that the extra 2 hours barely makes a different to them anyway. Either way they have to stay up very late to play.

Yep, it is ridiculous to think an MMO company would cancel a hasty, ill-thought out decision they are going to reverse in the near future anyways. (After setting two halves of the player base against each other, and disrupting the most important guild event of the week).

But one can dream.

Richard.7642:

(West coast NA player)
Good change ANET, now the people in T1 and T2 with huge queues can QQ even more about how they have so much WvW presence that the queue will be full by the time they get home… DWI. Queues are the REASON you’re up there.

As for me in T5, this change does absolutely nothing. I get to play in WvW with my guildies regardless if i’m on time or 5 hours late… Heck, if anything, this change has just given me a larger window to choose when I want to play with my guildies for reset.

I feel sorry for my European/Aussie/SEA allies though. This change helps your hardcore base to play more, but the times are still tough for your casual players.

I think most of us can agree that this was a positive change for a majority of the GW2 population. We can also agree to laugh at the people who QQ about being forced to play a game at any time… ahahahaha “I’m forced to play a game”… tell that to the real world… and I used to be a WoW progression raider.

Wut?
A considerate, modest NA player?
Is there such a thing?
Nice post and nicely put. I only feel sorry for about 1% of the NA players: It’s the part who were on the now-T1 servers from the beginning and weren’t asked whether they want long queues on their home. All the rest of them chose for themselves whether they want queues or not. Crying about something, you caused yourself and could fix anytime is funny at best.

If you look through these posts, 90% are actually not complaining the time shift but rather about QUEUES. Queues are something caused by everyone desperately needing to cling to a small selection of chosen servers.

Just cause things don’t go your way doesn’t mean, you need to complain, when one simple click would fix everything.

I agree on the fact, no1 forces them to play a game.
I add: No1 forces them into queues.

Hule.8794:

Bunter.3795:

Oh don’t work or get another job, great bit of logic there.

There is a little difference.
Work is needed because you want money to have good life.
Sleep is base human need. Its not your choice to sleep or not to sleep.

Some people dont go to work. They go to school, or are rich and dont work. Some people work at shifts. But each of this human need sleep. Its not choice to have comfort life, its basic need.

But on other had, will be better time than 5pm if reset will be 2am your time? EU and Oceanic players will agree with this change. And finally you wont need to quit job to play.

Actually I think that many EU players will be at reset. i saw it last week. I also was one of EU player sleeping on his keayboard, and left at 2am, few minutes before reset, because I could not hold my eyes open.

Sleeping 2 am to 10 am is more or less the same as sleeping 12 am to 8 am on a saturday (aside from being more tired when you went to bed). You were not giving up sleep entirely, you were staying up late and sleeping in on a weekend, which is entirely normal for humans to do. Sleep hours (easily made up on weekends by sleeping in) are not equivalent to work hours (generally not easy to make up) , stop trying to say they are.

Worst case scenario you slept 2 less hours than you normally did, which is also completely normal for humans to do on an occasional basis (school/work projects, trouble falling asleep, got home later than you normally did because you went to some social event, etc.).

The only people I know whose schedules are so rigid that they NEVER go to bed later than a certain time are my grandparents, who are almost 90 years old.

(side note: Food and shelter are also base human needs, which cost… wait for it…. money. Oh right, that’s why we work. So we have places to live and can feed our families. There goes your “quit your job” argument.)

Voradors.5381:

endirasae.3015:

Well, Australian players gets shafted again. Shocker.

10-11am on a Saturday morning was too perfect to last, I suppose.

Just quoting this because the primary focus of this thread continues to be NA vs EU for some reason that i cant comprehend.

Turns out this screws over Australian time zones as well. 2 PM PST / 5 PM EST = 7 AM their time. Not exactly what i would call optimal or convenient either.

Nice to hear that Devon has this as a top priority. Hopefully it gets worked out soon.

The funny thing is, EST/EDT and some of Oceania had the optimal reset times before, but now those are in the middle of the Atlantic and Pacific oceans where no one gets to enjoy them. This is why we can’t have nice things.

So, now that the reset time has been changed, did WvW die on the NA servers? Or was it more or less as every other reset?

lordkrall.7241:

So, now that the reset time has been changed, did WvW die on the NA servers? Or was it more or less as every other reset?

It definitely wasn’t “more or less the same” – East Coast Kiddies got in just fine while people who work for a living sat in queues or simply took the night off.

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

It definitely wasn’t “more or less the same” – East Coast Kiddies got in just fine while people who work for a living sat in queues or simply took the night off.

So the amount of people were still more or less the same? Since there were queues and such I mean.

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Okaishi.8320:

I would trade a 2 am reset for a 4 pm reset any day. Together with the fact that reset doesn’t actually happen until 20-30 minutes later, it means most of us got to play 30 minutes to an hour, if at all.

For people on the west coast, even if you don’t get to play reset immediately, there’s still the whole evening ahead of you, which none of us ever had. As you guys are saying a lot won’t make it to the start of reset, your queues shouldn’t be as long at that point either. Even if that queue lasts for 2 hours, you would get in at around 9 pm (assuming you finished dinner around 7), having more time to play on a reset day than any of us ever could.

These two hours make a lot of difference for us, please don’t get that wrong. Just by losing that 1 hour to summer time I saw the amount of people showing up in our guild for reset decrease by atleast half, to give you an example.

I’m not saying this is the best solution and that it won’t inconvenience NA players, but try to share some of the burden of it with us until they are able to seperate reset times for NA and EU.

This is a complete bullkitten argument as the amount of time it will take West Coasters to get in with queues is the same amount of time it would have taken your EU Guild to wake up at 9am and play all day Saturday.

I’m sure you are thrilled that you are going to see increased turnout for your extra hour or two of playtime. Somewhere between 75-90% of all NA Guilds just had their major weekly Guild Event destroyed by this.

It seems pretty clear most of EU has no clue about the kinds of queues NA sees on Reset all the way down to T6-7.

This isn’t as simple as “oh just delay your Guild Event for a few hours” – this change has pretty much made WvW Guild Events impossible on Reset.

A 10am Friday Reset would’ve been better than the current choice because hopefully SEA/Oceanic/EU players on NA Servers would be done/burned out by the time most NA people get home.

As it is, most of NA simply won’t get to play on Reset because of queues and frustration. It will lead to people quitting the game with no guarantee they return when Split-Reset times are finally put in. And that is really bad for ANet.

Queues down to tier 6/7 ? What fantasy world are you living in. Hardly any queues on all maps outside t1/2 with the possible exception of yaks bend and maguuma who have a strong na core.

Honestly if you let this “destroy” your guilds wvw event then you never cared about wvw that much to begin with. As someone who has never been able to access wvw during the “convenient” times the amount of qq here is astounding. Adapt and deal with it like everyone else in the world has to.

From what I heard on my Server the queue times were lower meaning less people came out.

Also many Guilds didn’t see their regular Commanders on for some time.

One of the Servers in our Tier which normally has a very strong Reset did very poorly. Nobody knows if was the Reset or something else, but they do depend on their Guild groups quite a bit and that is what was really crushed in the change.

Remember that the largest complaint I (and some others) had about the change was how this impacted (i.e. basically destroyed) organized Guild Events at Reset.

People were still going to come out and fight but an important social/community activity (the only really special weekly activity for WvW-Only players) was really hit hard.

It’s why I feel Rotating Resets would have been a much better and fairer temporary solution. I’d love for EU and SEA/Oceanics to also get to experience the “rush” and excitement of a “Prime-Time” Reset – it is very exciting and the only time of the week where (at least on our Server) there is a 4-Map/Server-wide Multiple Guild coordinated strategic plan on exactly where and how we want to attack and defend.

By the time most of our top Commanders and players get home and in-game now, it is already back to the same ebb-and-flow read-and-react kind of fight that you see almost anytime in WvW.

if you had “lower” queue times that means you had a queue. that means your maps were full.

if you did poorly even with fully populated maps, then a lack of participation is not your problem, it’s a lack of organization (or a lack of skill). these are things your players will need to work on. if your server was riding on the coattails of a “good” guild that’s two timezones to the west, the players who are able to log on earlier need to step up. I don’t mean this harshly.

our server did very well this reset. we didn’t have quite as many people on, but our opponents didn’t have as many either. but 2 hours into the match, we had plenty of population on all maps.

-ken

@Snowreap

If you were responding to me I think you completely missed what I was saying.

My Server had the best Reset in months likely because we have very good coverage and are less-dependent on large Guilds. That wasn’t the point:

• Reset Night is the only “WvW Special Event” in the game.
• Guilds thrive on these “special events”
• The Reset Change severely damaged that
• Less participation is bad for the Guilds and the game

ANet should be doing things to encourage player and Guild participation, not discourage it. A rotating Reset Time does that for all Regions. This bullkitten solution doesn’t.

Terra Dactyl.2047:

Hule.8794:

Bunter.3795:

Oh don’t work or get another job, great bit of logic there.

There is a little difference.
Work is needed because you want money to have good life.
Sleep is base human need. Its not your choice to sleep or not to sleep.

Some people dont go to work. They go to school, or are rich and dont work. Some people work at shifts. But each of this human need sleep. Its not choice to have comfort life, its basic need.

But on other had, will be better time than 5pm if reset will be 2am your time? EU and Oceanic players will agree with this change. And finally you wont need to quit job to play.

Actually I think that many EU players will be at reset. i saw it last week. I also was one of EU player sleeping on his keayboard, and left at 2am, few minutes before reset, because I could not hold my eyes open.

Sleeping 2 am to 10 am is more or less the same as sleeping 12 am to 8 am on a saturday (aside from being more tired when you went to bed). You were not giving up sleep entirely, you were staying up late and sleeping in on a weekend, which is entirely normal for humans to do. Sleep hours (easily made up on weekends by sleeping in) are not equivalent to work hours (generally not easy to make up) , stop trying to say they are.

Worst case scenario you slept 2 less hours than you normally did, which is also completely normal for humans to do on an occasional basis (school/work projects, trouble falling asleep, got home later than you normally did because you went to some social event, etc.).

The only people I know whose schedules are so rigid that they NEVER go to bed later than a certain time are my grandparents, who are almost 90 years old.

(side note: Food and shelter are also base human needs, which cost… wait for it…. money. Oh right, that’s why we work. So we have places to live and can feed our families. There goes your “quit your job” argument.)

I’m sorry but this one was a bit special. 2am till 10am? You think we stay up till 2 in the morning, wait for it to reset, then go to bed? You, sir, are a very funny man.

Latest I’ve been up since reset was 6am in the morning, woke up at 10, and then continued with my day whilst feeling like crap, because some people go out on Saturdays, or have a social life of some sort.

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

@Snowreap

If you were responding to me I think you completely missed what I was saying.

My Server had the best Reset in months likely because we have very good coverage and are less-dependent on large Guilds. That wasn’t the point:

• Reset Night is the only “WvW Special Event” in the game.
• Guilds thrive on these “special events”
• The Reset Change severely damaged that
• Less participation is bad for the Guilds and the game

ANet should be doing things to encourage player and Guild participation, not discourage it. A rotating Reset Time does that for all Regions. This bullkitten solution doesn’t.

So encouraging player and Guild participation in the European part of the world is not encouraging it?
Keep in mind that not everyone live in the US.

@lordkrall

Please read and understand my whole post.

A Midnight EU Reset is still pretty crappy for the EU and crappy for NA.

Rotating the Reset Time between 17:00 UTC and 00:00 UTC each week would allow BOTH regions to experience a Prime-Time Reset.

lordkrall.7241:

So, now that the reset time has been changed, did WvW die on the NA servers? Or was it more or less as every other reset?

It was lame actually. Nothing close to the intensity and camaraderie of the old reset nights. It just felt like any other night in the Mists.

Like I said before, Anet just killed the golden goose: a special, entirely player-run weekend event that attracted everyone on the server.

I wouldn’t be surprised if in future weeks we see fewer and fewer people making a special effort to be on for the new reset.

Why not have resets every 56 hours?

That way each timezone gets a turn in their primetime every week, and will shake up the mix a bit more often.

Alacrity.4312:

Why not have resets every 56 hours?

That way each timezone gets a turn in their primetime every week, and will shake up the mix a bit more often.

I don’t think that would be so good…

Whichever Region got the “Primetime Weekend” Reset would be considered the only “real” match while the two weekday ones would be afterthoughts.

Tobias Steele.2071:

Queues down to tier 6/7 ? What fantasy world are you living in. Hardly any queues on all maps outside t1/2 with the possible exception of yaks bend and maguuma who have a strong na core.

I would point out that on reset SF (T7- at the moment, formerly T8 for infinity), has queues ranging from 30 minutes – 1+hrs….Now that is not every map like your highest tiers, but can be 3 out of 4 maps on reset. And then EB pretty much has a queue the rest of the weekend during your “primetime” NA hours….Sprinkled in there are some sporadic queues, during coordinated rushes on certain BLs etc.

So saying that lower-mid tiers do not have queues is a false statement….Just because some do not experience them (whether their server doesn’t have the population, or they play at off-peak times), does not mean that they do not exist.

Didn’t everybody and their dog already say that SF doesn’t have lower tier WvW population/presence?

Personally, this is the first reset i’ve been to for a while. Granted, it was partly because I was sober on reset night, and partly because I joined a new guild, but before there was simply no incentive to stay up.
Midnight from 2 am Does make a difference. At midnight, you’re still pretty awake (at least I am), you start playing, you have fun, you get carried away and before you know it, it’s 5-6 am and you’re trying to remember if you have something to do on saturday.
2 am on the other hand, that’s a bit late, I know i’ll be getting tired, dunno if there’s really that much fun to start playing while getting tired already, etc etc….

Sure, I would’ve done 2am if i was in my new guild before this reset, but i’m pretty sure i wouldn’t have stayed as late and wouldn’t have had as much fun.

And yes, I know NA gets shafted, I actually mention it earlier in this thread as well in answer to somebody suggesting the 2h change, but it is an actual improvement for EU, and bigger than some people claim.

To the person saying “why do this stop-gap thing if they’re going to change anyways?” (was somewhere earlier, dont remember whcih post exactly) – isn’t that what they did with culling too? They re-introduced the culling system everybody hated, said they got positive feedback, it was horrifyingly bad for the first week and then it was a bit better, and once people were used to it “Here, it’s gone” :p

Genev.2450:

Didn’t everybody and their dog already say that SF doesn’t have lower tier population?

Putting all the emotes in the world doesn’t cover up a rude comment…Should you have taken the time to read the quote within my comment, you would have realized I was merely stating that just because the tiers are lower does not mean that queues do not exist……

And everybody and their dog should realize, depending on when you log in, that all servers are “Very High” on the ANET population gauge…..What differs is participation, of which SF has a ton of, tell everybody’s dog that next time you are talking to them.

Changed it to reflect I’m talking about WvW presence, happy?
I thought it was pretty obvious, and I thought people pointed out that SF is not a good representation of the lower tiers, regardless of its actual placement.
But maybe that’s just me.