Guild Wars 2

On Borlis pass AND ehmry bay there is a guy named Arif Q (on Borlis) and Q Arif Q (on ehmry bay) he has been throwing trebs on doors draining the attacking team supply, throwing trebs in locations u can’t use, throwing rams all over the defensive walls, basically burning supply in every possible way. Borlis passa has made many tickets in the last month, he has Been griefing Borlis for 2-4 months by now. I have proof in pictures of him admitting to griefing in map chat and saying he has 3 accounts so banning one won’t do anything he says. He explains how it’s his fault we lack supply and he tells us constantly he will ruin our chances over and over. We have made many tickets about this over several months and nothing is happening. Could I get some reasonings why people are getting banned for much smaller issues like a semi offensive name when Arif has been sabotaging and completely admitting to it for months with tons of tickets sent to anet and hundreds if not thousands of in game reports? If you want me to post the pictures I will just let me know
Thanks

PS if anyone on ehmry bay can confirm Q Arif Q Is as sabotaging there as well – I know he is because he pm’d me giving me spy info about ehmry, I told him to not spy on either server and blocked him.

Try here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Is-Anet-tracking-who-is-building-siege/

Also, I’d edit out the name of the guy .. Anet frowns on that. Just send in a petition or send evidence to exploits@arena.net

Jayne.9251:

Try here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Is-Anet-tracking-who-is-building-siege/

Also, I’d edit out the name of the guy .. Anet frowns on that. Just send in a petition or send evidence to exploits@arena.net

Our server as a whole has made over 10 tickets to anet in the last few months with significant proof

Yep, that thread I linked might be hope for all of us who have done so. Looks like Anet might finally be looking into this, so I suspect your ticket will be responded to and actioned soon. I’d still edit out the guy’s name tho. Anet doesn’t like that done publically.

It bothers me dozens of players send tickets but only after one guy posts about it on the forums, the devs “will look into it”

Is there actually a team that reads tickets? I had a similar Issue with a person that used fly -hack… me and many others say it and reported, but he still logs to this day.

My guess is it’s because they haven’t made a clear mandate on how to handle this yet, so the CS guys can’t do much until an official decision is made. I think we’re starting to see movement on it though, so that’s a good thing.

Hes not getting banned because using supplies is allowed, wasting supplies like that is fraudulent but still allowed.

DtC.4806:

On Borlis pass AND ehmry bay there is a guy named Arif Q (on Borlis) and Q Arif Q (on ehmry bay) he has been throwing trebs on doors draining the attacking team supply, throwing trebs in locations u can’t use, throwing rams all over the defensive walls, basically burning supply in every possible way. Borlis passa has made many tickets in the last month, he has Been griefing Borlis for 2-4 months by now. I have proof in pictures of him admitting to griefing in map chat and saying he has 3 accounts so banning one won’t do anything he says. He explains how it’s his fault we lack supply and he tells us constantly he will ruin our chances over and over. We have made many tickets about this over several months and nothing is happening. Could I get some reasonings why people are getting banned for much smaller issues like a semi offensive name when Arif has been sabotaging and completely admitting to it for months with tons of tickets sent to anet and hundreds if not thousands of in game reports? If you want me to post the pictures I will just let me know
Thanks

PS if anyone on ehmry bay can confirm Q Arif Q Is as sabotaging there as well – I know he is because he pm’d me giving me spy info about ehmry, I told him to not spy on either server and blocked him.

So in other words your server is too mindless to see what they are building before wasting supplies? My sympathy bar is at zero.

No, the guy burns the supply enough by himself, running back and forth.

Well that was quick. j/k lulz

I do understand reading all these issues about the game can be overwhelming :\

I have to say, if ANet does ban people for this, I will be very disappointed. It’s not greifing, it;s not an exploit and it’s not cheating.

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

I have to say, if ANet does ban people for this, I will be very disappointed. It’s not greifing, it;s not an exploit and it’s not cheating.

I’m interested in how you think building multiple flame rams in locations where they can not actually attack anything is anything but griefing. Don’t say the person doesn’t know how to play or how they work, plenty of people have told him.

He griefed Borlis Pass for weeks, now he’s in Ebay doing the same. He even publicly admits that he is intentionally burning supply.

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

I have to say, if ANet does ban people for this, I will be very disappointed. It’s not greifing, it;s not an exploit and it’s not cheating.

It is when he builds 5 rams near the defensive door making it siege cap and not able to place any ac’s

Puaru.9325:

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

I have to say, if ANet does ban people for this, I will be very disappointed. It’s not greifing, it;s not an exploit and it’s not cheating.

I’m interested in how you think building multiple flame rams in locations where they can not actually attack anything is anything but griefing. Don’t say the person doesn’t know how to play or how they work, plenty of people have told him.

He griefed Borlis Pass for weeks, now he’s in Ebay doing the same. He even publicly admits that he is intentionally burning supply.

Even though I do not approve of such tactics, I can see why. Specifically, the same reason as spying: To give your home team an advantage, and make it easier for them to succeed. Sabotage, essentially.

Is it right? About as right as spying I’d say. Is spying right? I’ll leave you guys to figure that out. I keep separate from these kinds of things.

The things that prevent these sort of issues are almost always unpopular themselves, though:

- Fixed locations for siege placement
- Rethinking of the ‘supply running’ design
- Basically provide info on friendly and enemy troop movements/battles so that spies are not very effective.

And stuff like that…

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

I have to say, if ANet does ban people for this, I will be very disappointed. It’s not greifing, it;s not an exploit and it’s not cheating.

If Anet intended for people to be able to go in as a player on another team/server and place siege like this as a valid WvW tactic :

1) You wouldn’t have to have another account. There’d be some way to go into “spy” mode.

2) Siege would be destroy-able by all sides, not just opposite sides.

If they would make commander tags voted on by players on map and then give those commanders the power to move of destroy siege or even kick players from WvW with a 15-30 min buff preventing them from reentering. Or allow the players to vote kick by a majority or large enough number it wouldn’t be abused and used to grief too. That could solve a lot of problems. And those commanders would be accountable to the other players on map by vote.

This would also result in better commanders instead of just anyone with 100 gold buying a tag.

Just add a feature to “/report” some sieges placements. Make maybe the report only doable by commanders. And once enough reports are given, the user is banned from siege placement and supply collection for a moment.

The issue is really complicated. Sometimes, when taking towers or supply camps that your server has no intention or realistic ability to hold long term, like northern towers/camps on enemy borderlands, building random seige is a great way to drain their supply, so they cannot use it to back up defense at a keep or the garrision. While veteran WvW players may understand when this tactic is appropriate, some newer players may not understand why we do it, or which camps/towers to do it at.

“Take whatever you can carry! Burn the rest on Flame Rams!”

sdsakuragi.8170:

The issue is really complicated. Sometimes, when taking towers or supply camps that your server has no intention or realistic ability to hold long term, like northern towers/camps on enemy borderlands, building random seige is a great way to drain their supply, so they cannot use it to back up defense at a keep or the garrision. While veteran WvW players may understand when this tactic is appropriate, some newer players may not understand why we do it, or which camps/towers to do it at.

“Take whatever you can carry! Burn the rest on Flame Rams!”

His intention is to make us have no supply when defending, there’s hundreds of ss’s saying he’s specifically sabotaging for us to lose and that he tells ehmry where our commanders are and stuff (and on his alt account he’s told me where their commander is as well) nobody should be thinking of excuses on why this is acceptable.
And I am a veteran commander I was one of the early commanders on Borlis pass

DtC.4806:

His intention is to make us have no supply when defending, there’s hundreds of ss’s saying he’s specifically sabotaging for us to lose and that he tells ehmry where our commanders are and stuff (and on his alt account he’s told me where their commander is as well) nobody should be thinking of excuses on why this is acceptable.
And I am a veteran commander I was one of the early commanders on Borlis pass

Oh I’m not commenting on the guy in the OP specifically. If everything being said about him is true, then yea he’s just a griefer. What I’m saying is in response to people’s suggestions that monitoring seige placement by character and allowing open reporting will fix this.

OK .. WvWvW neophite questions here. If they are from the enemy, you can destroy them right? So you can prevent them from burning up your resources if they are left from the other side. But if a person is willing to pay for a second account, pay gems to transfer a bot char to one of the opposing sides servers each week, potentially you could use that bot to build resources in some hidden area locking the home server from building trebouchets and rams? Does not sound like playing fair, but also does not sound like an exploit. (At least, that was what I was told when I asked why a person from an oposing server could get invited in to a home servers group.) Solution for that, make it so Commanders maybe, or ever player has the option to right-click, destroy siege weapons. Cor, that also means that the above player could fund his bot to Commander and use his bot to destroy that servers seige weapons.

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

I have to say, if ANet does ban people for this, I will be very disappointed. It’s not greifing, it;s not an exploit and it’s not cheating.

From the Guild Wars 2 rules of conduct that you agree to when signing up to play the game:

While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

Burning thousands of supply by building siege weapons that are not removable in order to make it impossible for a server to defend high value capture points is in fact griefing, cheating, and goes against both the letter and spirit of the agreement signed. When done consistently it has a direct effect on WvW point totals and thus match outcomes – this is both a form of match manipulation AND disruptive to other people’s game experience.

I find it disturbing that there are people like you that don’t see this.

Needs to be a name attached to each piece of siege, and an option to report, and something done with those reports other than lining birdcages as they do now with all those reports.

Another question.. why do flame rams have such a long life? I would think no ram would really need to be around for more than 15 minutes but i’ve seen some of em stay for days. Give em a 15 minute life between refreshes and a hard cap of say 45 minutes, that would make this practice much more expensive, or make the griefer switch to something marginally useful.

Chewy.9263:

But the thing is, he really is not doing anything wrong in my eyes, sabotage and spying are legality war tactics. Is wvw no longer a war zone? I think not. Cheers to the dedicated troll.

There is nothing wrong with someone building so many rams that you can not drop another piece of siege on the entire map?

Chewy.9263:

Haha this guy you’re referring to is dedicated. And the several people you say reported him is nothing compared to the reports I and my buddy have on us fromSoR, and my own server TC for the whole stating in towers a couple months ago.

But the thing is, he really is not doing anything wrong in my eyes, sabotage and spying are legality war tactics. Is wvw no longer a war zone? I think not. Cheers to the dedicated troll.

In “war tactics” you would be allowed to remove the said individual. You cant here.
Clearly the people here who are calling it “fine” have never been trolled like what this guy is doing.

IceBlizzard.1054:

Chewy.9263:

Haha this guy you’re referring to is dedicated. And the several people you say reported him is nothing compared to the reports I and my buddy have on us fromSoR, and my own server TC for the whole stating in towers a couple months ago.

But the thing is, he really is not doing anything wrong in my eyes, sabotage and spying are legality war tactics. Is wvw no longer a war zone? I think not. Cheers to the dedicated troll.

In “war tactics” you would be allowed to remove the said individual. You cant here.
Clearly the people here who are calling it “fine” have never been trolled like what this guy is doing.

You’d also be able to destroy the offending property.

Chewy : This isn’t war in the real world. It’s in a game, with rules. Rules against the behavior you say is okay.

Solution is extremely simple. Put the player’s account name on the placed siege, under the target frame when targeting. Banning griefers will be a non-issue then and easy to report, and having your account name branded on your siege should deter any moron from grieving in this fashion lest face suspension.

chrisk.4320:

Solution is extremely simple. Put the player’s account name on the placed siege, under the target frame when targeting. Banning griefers will be a non-issue then and easy to report, and having your account name branded on your siege should deter any moron from grieving in this fashion lest face suspension.

I think this really is the only suitable “solution”. Everyone will be able to find out who built the siege and how many and which guild. Unfortunately Anet cannot reprogram these idiots who are ruining the game for everyone

And as they have said this is a hard issue to tackle, usually it’s only commanders who place siege, we dont want a newbie to WvW for reporting commanders who have dropped 5 cats to take down a fortified keep quickly.

Chewy.9263:

But the thing is, he really is not doing anything wrong in my eyes, sabotage and spying are legality war tactics. Is wvw no longer a war zone? I think not. Cheers to the dedicated troll.

Well, in war its also not uncommon to EXECUTE the spies when caugth.

And more importantly, this isnt a war its a game. And this game has that rules are clear on this subject, what he is doing is wrong. Its considered griefing AND matchfixing, both are banable offenses. Doesnt matter how it is in “your eyes”, the games rules are very clear on this subject. Let the banhammer feast!

I’d like to chime in and say this is true. Today he built rams at the supply depots for no reason. In addition he would man siege when we were holding tight spots like lord room and not use it.

If anyone has a video or ss of Arif admitting, or caught griefing post here, I have a bunch, these are a compilation posted on our server forum. As its hard to get a pic of proof of him tossing siege, we have tons of proof of him admitting to it, I’m sure someone has a video though
http://assets-cloud.enjin.com/users/4416402/pics/original/1587043.jpg
http://assets-cloud.enjin.com/users/4416402/pics/original/1587042.jpg
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/4683/gw001oi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T5RLob2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ztegoAe.jpg
http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws.com/262427/modules/forum/attachments/gw008_1364752964.jpg

Simple action that Anet should have: Make an official thread warning players from such behaviour, ban grieffers, plain and simple solution. You agree on the game terms and if you just sabotage in the “war spirit” it’s the game itself that you are sabotaging so you should be award a Grenth Ban without any further explaination. If hundreds of players complain and bring clues of such behaviour I believe Anet should do something.
Really Anet please do something and communicate about it that it ll put an end to every hackers/exploiters/grieffers activity in wvw.
There is nothing to expect from such people just right kick them forever, ban is the only thing that will work with them.
Anet care of your gaming community when they are giving facts and asking support against grieffer. For the sake of game fair environment, you have to be mercyless with all these grieffers/exploiters/hackers.

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

I have to say, if ANet does ban people for this, I will be very disappointed. It’s not greifing, it;s not an exploit and it’s not cheating.

Isn’t it though? Each tower and/or keep has a specific limit on the amount of siege that can be placed within it’s walls, yes? So wouldn’t therefore lining the Stonemist Castle lord’s room with useless trebs be counteracting the defensive capabilities of those holding the keep? This is what we’re talking about here, and it has begun happening on our server now as well as Borliss during our current match-up. Sounds like the very definition of cheating or rigging the match in favor of one side or another to me.

While it’s true that siege also is known to have a despawn counter of roughly 30 mins, should it be left idle and unused within that time. Who’s to say he isn’t also refreshing the siege as well? It does seem to stay for long durations. I have even gone so far as to offer personally my services to Borliss, our current in-match opponent, to remove such offending rams and other useless siege from their walls and such if I am able. As a countermeasure to the current situation. (Original post seen below)

KStudios.2850:

Khayoss.2019:

I’d go as far as to say that if you message me, I’m willing to offer assistance to clear siege that is placed this way in any instances where it can be done so without compromising your servers controlled structures. Tainted victory does not taste like victory.

I second this notion. I’m fully willing and unafraid to let you call upon me to remove any unwanted siege from your premises, and ONLY unwanted siege. Upon my honor, and I expect your direct supervision, of course. Simply PM or team me ingame, let your people know I’m about and not a threat, and we’ll see what we can do. Since this apparently is not going to stop without us directly doing so ourselves.

oh, how often i would have liked to have been able to kill traitors and spies on your own side in this and other wvw type games in the absence of a ban or other official intervention.

The problem of this (why griefer use ram not ac):
1. 5/1000 siege limit. (ram is counted toward this limit)
2. (Maybe) Bugged siege limit. (ram is still counted toward siege (other ram) limit).

Solution:
1. Make the 5/1000 limit for ram and other siege different.
2. Announce how many siege which are there in every battleground score every 15 minutes (along with tick update). (This will make monitoring easier. In addition, if there is really a bug, it can be addressed immediately).
3. Make siege has minimum level to consume (15/20 is good (as it fast anyway)).
4. Or/And Player can starting drop siege if their world rank is 5(or 10).

Suggestion:
Anet can actually do soft “punishment”, like: make an automatic system which monitor every in-game report. If there is multiple report to a player (different player and different IP) in short time with same reason, this system will send a notification to that player: You have been reported for suspicious activity….

New Commander ability: “Salvage Siege”

Commander may salvage siege and regain 50-100% of the supply used to create the siege item. There is also a 15% chance to recover the siege blueprint. A higher WvW rank in “Salvage Siege” will raise the minimum percentage chance for recovered supply and blueprints.

This ability does not work on enemy siege.

Hello,

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