Guild Wars 2

Clearly we have not worshiped the flame ram goddess enough and her fury is now descending upon us in the form of anarchy.

Heretics….. the lot of us.

Le Rooster.8715:

Hey guys i’m Rooster, some of you may know me on this forums for some of my subtle trolls, some by my score updates but i am here to discuss a pressing issue that is emerging in tier 1 NA. This is not about the current score or the domination of Jade Quarry but rather the antagonization and unhealthy propaganda that is going on to purposely destroy other tier 1 servers communities.

Currently the amount of trolling, personal abuse and antogonization that is going on behind the scenes in the current tier 1 community is redicilous and appalling, never have i ever in my video game history witnessed such desperate attempts to bring down A server through such horrible propaganda.

I will start with my current server Sea of Sorrows, or some may internally refer to ourselves as #SeaofSwag. Currently the situation is not great we lost two guilds and are attempting to rebuild our community, however the negative propaganda from certain sites and individuals is making this extremely difficult. I will refer to an exhert from the community site Guild wars 2 junkies which spreads random false rumors about guilds leaving.

" most of it centers around the drama caused by Tsym (who apparently is planning to stay on SoS) and privately is throwing quite the hissy fit about these guilds departure."

now in a later post

“*Reset night in T1 is starting out with some interesting news; in short the Sea of Sorrows (SoS) drama continues to unfold.

As they prepare to enter reset, they are currently involved in heated internal fights. Multiple sources have confirmed that the catalyst for the internal fighting today is TSYM GM, name of GM*. " However more despicable is this post included screenshots of Sea of Sorrows private chatbox which the site may have recieved intel from, which is considered spying.

Now the problem with posts such as this one is they specifically antagonize certain guilds and individuals as the root of the problem. this puts unnescsary pressure on the guild and an immense and unhealthy amount of pressure on the individual which i will say has done alot for the sea of sorrows community. Now the site didn’t mention why the outburst occured, it just focused on the outburst its self.

That is just one example of many of negative propaganda in attempts to implode a server which in my opinion is disgusting.

Now i will move onto Jade Quarry, upon post of this thread i had consulted with a prominant Jade Quarry GM about the issue and he had told me that the issue was affecting his guild aswell, where he explains that certain unknown individuals had made personal attempt at undermining the guild with personal attacks which put a financial strain within the guild due to resources on repairing the damage done.

So the current situation in tier 1 NA is horrible, the community and lack of sportsman ship is redicilous and when i heard of notable guilds being attacked personally and my server being repeatedly bombarded with propaganda which causes a rift and strain within the community about who’s next to leave it’s not healthy.

My solution lets leave this way of recruitment, the battle should be fought in the battlefield not through gossip i honestly don’t understand why some individuals would stoop so low just to bring down certain servers and attempt to create negative rifts within communities which affects personal life especially in the case of the Jade Quarry guild where the actions of some caused them to throw real life money and resources for them to repair it.
Lets all just have some fun, don’t worry about the score stop trying to undermine servers and stop spreading unnescssary rumors and gossip

Thank you.

Sorry but the name of the game is Guild Wars not Guild Sports.

In a real war, sabotage, subterfuge, spying, and lies are all fair game. “exploits” and “hacks” are also fair game to those players that are willing to risk their accounts to gain the upper hand to win the war.

ArenaNet may patch up some exploits and hacks. But rumors and gossip? I don’t you’ll ever stop that.

PRX and more specifically Clementine are without a doubt the unmitigated villains to friend and foe alike. They have always been a blight to Tier One servers.

Where they fail in tactics and PvDring. They succeed in sedition and slander. That is the only thing going for them.

They’re a disgrace to all of SoS which they used to call home. And bring shame to the real guilds behind JQ’s success. Someday their guild members will wake up and join EMP or SF the real backbone of JQ.

Well said, Rooster.

Isaac.6041:

Le Rooster.8715:

Hey guys i’m Rooster, some of you may know me on this forums for some of my subtle trolls, some by my score updates but i am here to discuss a pressing issue that is emerging in tier 1 NA. This is not about the current score or the domination of Jade Quarry but rather the antagonization and unhealthy propaganda that is going on to purposely destroy other tier 1 servers communities.

Currently the amount of trolling, personal abuse and antogonization that is going on behind the scenes in the current tier 1 community is redicilous and appalling, never have i ever in my video game history witnessed such desperate attempts to bring down A server through such horrible propaganda.

I will start with my current server Sea of Sorrows, or some may internally refer to ourselves as #SeaofSwag. Currently the situation is not great we lost two guilds and are attempting to rebuild our community, however the negative propaganda from certain sites and individuals is making this extremely difficult. I will refer to an exhert from the community site Guild wars 2 junkies which spreads random false rumors about guilds leaving.

" most of it centers around the drama caused by Tsym (who apparently is planning to stay on SoS) and privately is throwing quite the hissy fit about these guilds departure."

now in a later post

“*Reset night in T1 is starting out with some interesting news; in short the Sea of Sorrows (SoS) drama continues to unfold.

As they prepare to enter reset, they are currently involved in heated internal fights. Multiple sources have confirmed that the catalyst for the internal fighting today is TSYM GM, name of GM*. " However more despicable is this post included screenshots of Sea of Sorrows private chatbox which the site may have recieved intel from, which is considered spying.

Now the problem with posts such as this one is they specifically antagonize certain guilds and individuals as the root of the problem. this puts unnescsary pressure on the guild and an immense and unhealthy amount of pressure on the individual which i will say has done alot for the sea of sorrows community. Now the site didn’t mention why the outburst occured, it just focused on the outburst its self.

That is just one example of many of negative propaganda in attempts to implode a server which in my opinion is disgusting.

Now i will move onto Jade Quarry, upon post of this thread i had consulted with a prominant Jade Quarry GM about the issue and he had told me that the issue was affecting his guild aswell, where he explains that certain unknown individuals had made personal attempt at undermining the guild with personal attacks which put a financial strain within the guild due to resources on repairing the damage done.

So the current situation in tier 1 NA is horrible, the community and lack of sportsman ship is redicilous and when i heard of notable guilds being attacked personally and my server being repeatedly bombarded with propaganda which causes a rift and strain within the community about who’s next to leave it’s not healthy.

My solution lets leave this way of recruitment, the battle should be fought in the battlefield not through gossip i honestly don’t understand why some individuals would stoop so low just to bring down certain servers and attempt to create negative rifts within communities which affects personal life especially in the case of the Jade Quarry guild where the actions of some caused them to throw real life money and resources for them to repair it.
Lets all just have some fun, don’t worry about the score stop trying to undermine servers and stop spreading unnescssary rumors and gossip

Thank you.

Sorry but the name of the game is Guild Wars not Guild Sports.

In a real war, sabotage, subterfuge, spying, and lies are all fair game. “exploits” and “hacks” are also fair game to those players that are willing to risk their accounts to gain the upper hand to win the war.

ArenaNet may patch up some exploits and hacks. But rumors and gossip? I don’t you’ll ever stop that.

But this isn’t a real war. I like to think we could act like adults and at least be respectful towards each other and out opponents while still having fun but apparently that’s too much to ask for. I don’t know the details about the Jq guild in question but that’s utterly disgusting and I hope they find the individuals behind that. The group behind guild wars 2 junkies seems to have a serious problem with SOS for some reason. Every week it’s more rubbish rumours and propaganda trying to bring our community down and it’s disgraceful.

you have the option of transfering off if you dont like the drama.

Isaac.6041:

Sorry but the name of the game is Guild Wars not Guild Sports.

In a real war, sabotage, subterfuge, spying, and lies are all fair game. “exploits” and “hacks” are also fair game to those players that are willing to risk their accounts to gain the upper hand to win the war.

However apart from “real life war” the faction the spy/saboteur/propagandist is against, cannot be trialed by that faction, therefore making them invulnerable to any form of justice when found.

Le Rooster.8715:

Harvest this isn’t what this is about, your doing the exact opposite of what i’m insuating lets be better lets not drop down to the gossip level lets take the morale highground

The first casualty of war is the truth.

Psychatog.8246:

you have the option of transfering off if you dont like the drama.

Which is probably the very reason this is happening. If you can’t beat em’ on the field take them out in other ways.

(Not intended to discredit whole servers that have beaten us fairly)

Psychatog.8246:

you have the option of transfering off if you dont like the drama.

and pay 20g no, plus i’ve been in the server back when we were in tier 4 i have no intention of leaving, i want to rebuild it.

Le Rooster.8715:

Psychatog.8246:

you have the option of transfering off if you dont like the drama.

and pay 20g no, plus i’ve been in the server back when we were in tier 4 i have no intention of leaving, i want to rebuild it.

then its clearly not that big of an issue, so you wasted our time reading your post.

Threads like this aren’t really helping your server any.

It shows that you are worried and perhaps overly so that your server will “crumble”.

Your server used to be #1 yes, and so was Stormbluff Isle and Henge of Denravi. So their days were numbered and they fell down eventually. It’s a natural cycle.

Isaac.6041:

Threads like this aren’t really helping your server any.

It shows that you are worried and perhaps overly so that your server will “crumble”.

Your server used to be #1 yes, and so was Stormbluff Isle and Henge of Denravi. So their days were numbered and they fell down eventually. It’s a natural cycle.

Alright, this thread may not be as relevant and clear in this forum due to the heavy monitering Anet does (thank god). But check out the gw2guru tier 1 thread, you will see what i mean.

Isaac.6041:

Threads like this aren’t really helping your server any.

It shows that you are worried and perhaps overly so that your server will “crumble”.

Your server used to be #1 yes, and so was Stormbluff Isle and Henge of Denravi. So their days were numbered and they fell down eventually. It’s a natural cycle.

Did you even read what the OP said? He’s not complaining about SOS potentially falling in the rankings due to transfers, hes referring to the massive propaganda machine that is trying to make/increase this process and the lack of sportsmanship in t1.

The assumption I’m seeing here is that whatever is going on is merely propaganda. Two things I see lacking in the OP is any actual culprit (who exactly are you willing to blame here), and then any evidence to justify that.

For all we know there are actually problems on SoS, and you’re just launching your own campaign to stem the fallout. A 628 word post tells me you’re heavily investment in all this after all.

Ross Biddle.2367:

The assumption I’m seeing here is that whatever is going on is merely propaganda. Two things I see lacking in the OP is any actual culprit (who exactly are you willing to blame here), and then any evidence to justify that.

For all we know there are actually problems on SoS, and you’re just launching your own campaign to stem the fallout. A 628 word post tells me you’re heavily investment in all this after all.

In the Sea of Sorrows instance we know EXACTLY who is to blame, but to name and shame on here without the burden of truth would make us no better than the person/group in question and is what we are trying to avoid.We have our own internal justifications for that belief but they shouldn’t be made public. Things are bad and nasty enough here atm, lets not make them worse by starting a flame war.

Nevermind I see one of my brothers in arms already did the naming part lol

Harvest.3108:

PRX and more specifically Clementine are without a doubt the unmitigated villains to friend and foe alike. They have always been a blight to Tier One servers.

Where they fail in tactics and PvDring. They succeed in sedition and slander. That is the only thing going for them.

They’re a disgrace to all of SoS which they used to call home. And bring shame to the real guilds behind JQ’s success. Someday their guild members will wake up and join EMP or SF the real backbone of JQ.

Lol, they did the same crap when they were on HoD way back at game release.

Nice of Rooster to make this post.

It’s been no secret that this tier 1 match has been the most toxic in recent history. While we could single out specific servers and discuss them here, it’s not the point.

The point is that there are elements from each server, who have communities that have also found the current toxic environment equally distasteful.

The best thing for those that want to avoid the poison is to not by into it. Easier said than done, especially with the nature of internet communities. Psychologists refer to a term known as ‘deindividuation’. What it is refering to is if someone is not held personally accountable for their actions, that is if you can’t interact with them directly say at work/school/socially people will not care, infact they are inclined to behave less than human, because there is not this level of accountability. What it means is that some of the poison that flows is actually funny for some people, because at the end of the day, they have nothing invested and can’t be held accountable.

That can be hard, especially for those people that have invested a lot into their guilds, communities and people they play alongside.

To get at the core of many of these issues is something beyond GW2 and ArenaNet, it’s much more fundamental to human behaviour and unfortunately the current match up has seen the worse kinds of those types of people.

For those of you that do care, about your guilds, communities and people you play along side. Keep your head up. If you find the people that are creating the poison, remove them from you circle. If there are others you see in the middle of it, don’t by into it, if anything, offer support.

I encourage people to rise above the gossip because thing about gossip is that it’s insatiable, you can never get enough.

Respect.

The competitive nature of T1 is leading to some much not needed drama. I guess that can’t be helped.

I transferred to JQ back when HoD was number one. We have been struggling in Tier One for a long time. The extra numbers help us, buts its still not perfect and we still get outmanned in certain times or some battle grounds. HoD never seemed to have this problem ever. JQ was the only server ever to beat HoD legit and wow was that a tough week of nasty fights.

Now with SoR in T1, its gotten more even and I enjoy fighting them. SoS was always winning until recently. Now i see hate from SoS on forums and not always a good showing on the battlefield. I mainly play EB and I see SoS just not performing as well as SoR does when I play.

If any JQ are making trouble, perhaps they are more recent transfers. JQ always seemed rather good nature when I joined.

Aside from the current drama, which really is just bunk. I was looking forward to fighting SoS again. Being from SoR, I can say with confidence that when SoS spent a few weeks with us in T2 before moving up was some of the best WvW we’ve had. They were classy in game and on the forums, aside from the ever present trolls in match-up threads.

The very unbalanced T1 match-up now is and will take its toll on the best of us, it happens, we can only hope something changes and hopefully sooner rather than later. This is the kind of thing that sets people on edge as a community. At some point people will realize that stacking one server or another just ruins the fun of the game for a great deal of people, add in the all natural “gamer bravado”, and mix in some straight up underhanded efforts by individuals, and you have a disaster kittentail.

Just don’t give the people doing that kind of thing the attention they clearly crave, those are small minded people, who would rather try and break something than build it up.

SoS seems to have a great community, they show their passion for it in posts like the OP’s here, you guys will move past this little bump and remain just as strong.

Cheers and good fighting.

Psychatog.8246:

Le Rooster.8715:

Psychatog.8246:

you have the option of transfering off if you dont like the drama.

and pay 20g no, plus i’ve been in the server back when we were in tier 4 i have no intention of leaving, i want to rebuild it.

then its clearly not that big of an issue, so you wasted our time reading your post.

you have the option of closing this page and move on to other threads if you don’t like what you’re reading, just saying.

The T1 thread on guru is so full of vitriol it’s not even worth posting there. Moderation is almost non-existant so trolls are allowed to run rampant. I don’t know what it is with T1 but discussions between servers lack class and sportsmanship especially from whomever is the winning server at the time.

Thundar.3910:

Aside from the current drama, which really is just bunk. I was looking forward to fighting SoS again. Being from SoR, I can say with confidence that when SoS spent a few weeks with us in T2 before moving up was some of the best WvW we’ve had. They were classy in game and on the forums, aside from the ever present trolls in match-up threads.

The very unbalanced T1 match-up now is and will take its toll on the best of us, it happens, we can only hope something changes and hopefully sooner rather than later. This is the kind of thing that sets people on edge as a community. At some point people will realize that stacking one server or another just ruins the fun of the game for a great deal of people, add in the all natural “gamer bravado”, and mix in some straight up underhanded efforts by individuals, and you have a disaster kittentail.

Just don’t give the people doing that kind of thing the attention they clearly crave, those are small minded people, who would rather try and break something than build it up.

SoS seems to have a great community, they show their passion for it in posts like the OP’s here, you guys will move past this little bump and remain just as strong.

Cheers and good fighting.

Very well spoken friend.

I can say with confidence that our fighting in tier 2 was of a higher standard than what tier 1 had to offer. We both evolved and perfected our tactics against each other.

It’s not the winning or losing, it’s the intense competition and problem solving to unique challenges that makes WvW so fun.

The current toxicity in WvW tier 1 is a massive shame.

Slayer Lord.5023:

Now with SoR in T1, its gotten more even and I enjoy fighting them. SoS was always winning until recently. Now i see hate from SoS on forums and not always a good showing on the battlefield. I mainly play EB and I see SoS just not performing as well as SoR does when I play.

That’s expected considering they (and Blackgate?) got the least amount of transfers after the closing of free transfers was announced.

SoS has always been one of the classiest servers around. Really it’s JQ that is the toxic server in the bunch which no one seems to like. Their attitudes and most of their guilds just seek drama and attention.

I’d say ignore them and just enjoy the game with your friends and guildmates.

“…going on behind the scenes…”. Well la-de-da. Every mmo I have played which has an end game had a political spectrum to go with it. It’s the unfortunate inevitability of limited resource or player cap systems. This is not a great revelation. There is no Molech in Guild Wars 2.

WvW is a hobby. Guild Wars 2 is a hobby. It is a hobby with millions of players. Some of them are half insane. Some are obsessive/compulsive. The word of one person out of many million isn’t going to change the world. If you establish a culture of fellowship I don’t see how there could be a problem unless you are losing sponsors. If a culture of fellowship itself isn’t strong enough to hold your guild together maybe you founded your guild on the wrong principles.

With that said if you are being libeled in a malicious way with rhymes or mechanisms of the sort that debase your guild to a certain degree of humiliation for its members then it is unfortunate that you attracted said attention. Servers are debased all the time. My server and every server I have played against has been debased. Most people don’t care. Some even adopt the new server name with pride in the attention they have attained. I don’t think I need to speak of the individual because WvW only shows opponent server guild tags.

If you feel a “…going on behind the scenes…” presence then think of your server as a celebrity. The more famous a server is the more tabloids it appears in.

SoS is falling (it’s a done deal) because the WvW guilds that make up the core players in the top tiers care more about being in tier one than they care about competitive PvP. The towers and keeps are the same in tiers two and three – even tier eight, we don’t have a hard mode buff on anything in tier one. People just think they need to be in tier one for the competition to be relevant.

Everyone is moving to BG. JQ got stacked and destroyed any sense of competition. Their competition is literally scrambling to hold a tower and a keep with 25 people on the entire map against giant zergs, hiding mesmers and capping them back when they fall. JQ doesn’t even bother sweeping for mesmers, there is no risk or consequence in WvW for them any more. Every single problem they can throw numbers at and win. I’ve seen it first hand, an opponent that used to be a challenge to fight one on one is now sloppy and lazy with a numbers advantage but still successful because of their numbers and coverage. JQ plays WvW with no risk of losing, and that’s what a lot of guilds and players want, that’s why so many people went there. The good players are still there, but even the known experienced WvW guilds don’t play like they used to. You aren’t sharp when your competition isn’t comparable. When they can carry a 40 man zerg on every map and build nine catapults to siege your opposition’s last tower on the map, you don’t need to try your best or learn to get better. The SoS guilds that care about winning didn’t like coming third or fighting hard to stay in tier one and they didn’t want to be in tier two (for whatever reason), so they left to reinforce a server they think could beat JQ.

It’s miserable watching how toxic the WvW community of SoS has become over this whole thing, guilds are being torn apart, people are abandoning allies, people who are left behind are dealing with a really kittenty fall out situation.

The website you keep referring to and the WvW part of it is partly run by Clementine, one of the leadership of PRX. She has has a segment on their podcast where she spreads gossip and rumours, trying to provoke and antagonise controversy in the WvW community. It’s part of her character and it’s the kind of environment they (the website) are trying to create in WvW, putting on facades of niceness and professionalism, they enjoy stirring up drama and watching other servers suffer (they did it before SoS and they will do it after SoS). They will do what they can to facilitate and enhance it as much as possible, not unlike a trashy current affairs show that blows things out of proportion and sensationalises them to increase ratings. It’s toxic for the WvW community and it creates a lot of stress for the people who have to deal with the fall out. It stops being a game and it becomes a really unpleasant place to be. As one of the above posters shows, some people consider WvW more than just a competition fought in the game, some take it as far as wanting to see this kind of destruction of a server community and if they can push that along in any subtle (or not so subtle) way, they will do it.

The good new for you Le Rooster is that SoS won’t be tier one any more. The curse of tier one will be shouldered by the people who moved to JQ and BG. SoS can rebuild and enjoy a less toxic WvW environment in the lower tiers. The zergs won’t be as big (a fantastic thing) and you won’t have to worry about transfer wars. The things most people enjoy about WvW will still be there, but a lot of the problems caused by giant zergs and poor coverage won’t be. A lot of people see dropping out of tier one as a bad thing, I welcome it. I’ve seen what it does to guilds, to the server, to players, the pressure to always log in, to always play, to lead in the PPT and it’s sickening to me. I’ve also seen the ugly side (the former was the pretty side) where we see individuals and guilds used as scapegoats. If tier seven is where I need to be to avoid having people like Clementine threaten to take their guild and leave the server if we don’t get into WvW and win to protect their reputation, then tier seven is where I want to be.

If ArenaNet was forced to show this side of their game to prospective customers when trying to lure them into WvW, do you honestly think many people would want to go through the horrible experiences servers go through when this happens? I would honestly like to know what the WvW devs think when they see this kind of thing happening, when they see the environment they have created is causing this much stress and anxiety (the devs don’t shoulder all the blame, but the weekly score and coverage/transfer game of WvW is the source of much of it) from a simple game. Players feel pressured to transfer to be competitive in PvE. In WoW you had to gear up, in GW2 you have to transfer to the right server. I’ll take gear grind wins over transfer wars any day. If you can’t beat them, transfer to someone who can.

T1. home of the egos, kittens, wannabe elitists, and abuse. T1 has always been that way, actually the lower you get down the tiers the better behaved people are. Ive skipped around, and finally made my home in t8 after 4 months in t1 due to no trolling at all in that tier. people treat others with respect.

SoPP.7034:

Nice of Rooster to make this post.

It’s been no secret that this tier 1 match has been the most toxic in recent history. While we could single out specific servers and discuss them here, it’s not the point.

The point is that there are elements from each server, who have communities that have also found the current toxic environment equally distasteful.

The best thing for those that want to avoid the poison is to not by into it. Easier said than done, especially with the nature of internet communities. Psychologists refer to a term known as ‘deindividuation’. What it is refering to is if someone is not held personally accountable for their actions, that is if you can’t interact with them directly say at work/school/socially people will not care, infact they are inclined to behave less than human, because there is not this level of accountability. What it means is that some of the poison that flows is actually funny for some people, because at the end of the day, they have nothing invested and can’t be held accountable.

That can be hard, especially for those people that have invested a lot into their guilds, communities and people they play alongside.

To get at the core of many of these issues is something beyond GW2 and ArenaNet, it’s much more fundamental to human behaviour and unfortunately the current match up has seen the worse kinds of those types of people.

For those of you that do care, about your guilds, communities and people you play along side. Keep your head up. If you find the people that are creating the poison, remove them from you circle. If there are others you see in the middle of it, don’t by into it, if anything, offer support.

I encourage people to rise above the gossip because thing about gossip is that it’s insatiable, you can never get enough.

Respect.

Nice post. Add to that the tendency of people who crave attention going to where the most attention is. Compensation for artifacts in a persons schema, the ‘deindividuation’ environment being the output vehicle.

Honestly after reading your post, you should maybe post this on your server’s forums.(Provided you have them.)

The quotes for the most part that you had, weren’t from these forums but things like guru, junkies, and reddit. (Which Anet can’t control.)

Welcome to meta-gaming. It is inevitable in a scored/ranked system that some segment of the population will do anything to win or tear down the opposition. Those of you who have played Eve Online know this as business as usual. e.g. Spies spending years to bring down an organization. Denial of service attacks on the oppositions comm system during fleet battles.

You can lament but it part of the fabric of people to do things like this.

Isaac.6041:

Le Rooster.8715:

Hey guys i’m Rooster, some of you may know me on this forums for some of my subtle trolls, some by my score updates but i am here to discuss a pressing issue that is emerging in tier 1 NA. This is not about the current score or the domination of Jade Quarry but rather the antagonization and unhealthy propaganda that is going on to purposely destroy other tier 1 servers communities.

Currently the amount of trolling, personal abuse and antogonization that is going on behind the scenes in the current tier 1 community is redicilous and appalling, never have i ever in my video game history witnessed such desperate attempts to bring down A server through such horrible propaganda.

I will start with my current server Sea of Sorrows, or some may internally refer to ourselves as #SeaofSwag. Currently the situation is not great we lost two guilds and are attempting to rebuild our community, however the negative propaganda from certain sites and individuals is making this extremely difficult. I will refer to an exhert from the community site Guild wars 2 junkies which spreads random false rumors about guilds leaving.

" most of it centers around the drama caused by Tsym (who apparently is planning to stay on SoS) and privately is throwing quite the hissy fit about these guilds departure."

now in a later post

“*Reset night in T1 is starting out with some interesting news; in short the Sea of Sorrows (SoS) drama continues to unfold.

As they prepare to enter reset, they are currently involved in heated internal fights. Multiple sources have confirmed that the catalyst for the internal fighting today is TSYM GM, name of GM*. " However more despicable is this post included screenshots of Sea of Sorrows private chatbox which the site may have recieved intel from, which is considered spying.

Now the problem with posts such as this one is they specifically antagonize certain guilds and individuals as the root of the problem. this puts unnescsary pressure on the guild and an immense and unhealthy amount of pressure on the individual which i will say has done alot for the sea of sorrows community. Now the site didn’t mention why the outburst occured, it just focused on the outburst its self.

That is just one example of many of negative propaganda in attempts to implode a server which in my opinion is disgusting.

Now i will move onto Jade Quarry, upon post of this thread i had consulted with a prominant Jade Quarry GM about the issue and he had told me that the issue was affecting his guild aswell, where he explains that certain unknown individuals had made personal attempt at undermining the guild with personal attacks which put a financial strain within the guild due to resources on repairing the damage done.

So the current situation in tier 1 NA is horrible, the community and lack of sportsman ship is redicilous and when i heard of notable guilds being attacked personally and my server being repeatedly bombarded with propaganda which causes a rift and strain within the community about who’s next to leave it’s not healthy.

My solution lets leave this way of recruitment, the battle should be fought in the battlefield not through gossip i honestly don’t understand why some individuals would stoop so low just to bring down certain servers and attempt to create negative rifts within communities which affects personal life especially in the case of the Jade Quarry guild where the actions of some caused them to throw real life money and resources for them to repair it.
Lets all just have some fun, don’t worry about the score stop trying to undermine servers and stop spreading unnescssary rumors and gossip

Thank you.

Sorry but the name of the game is Guild Wars not Guild Sports.

In a real war, sabotage, subterfuge, spying, and lies are all fair game. “exploits” and “hacks” are also fair game to those players that are willing to risk their accounts to gain the upper hand to win the war.

ArenaNet may patch up some exploits and hacks. But rumors and gossip? I don’t you’ll ever stop that.

Yet you are playing a video game. In your first world country. Please don’t compare a video game to real war. It makes you sound like you are delusional.

And people wonder why the media attacks the video games industry…

In the end of the day, it’s a game. It’s meant to be fun, but if I am coming home to get stressed over stuff that has little to do with the actual game and more to do with the politics that revolve around it. Well, that generally is not a good time.

This is exactly the same kind of thing that destroyed SBI. There were hateful private messages from classless opponents flying everywhere (not going to name names). I am glad that Kaineng will be in T2 for a while and slowly improve. At least BG and TC are respectable opponents.

Isaac.6041:

Le Rooster.8715:

Hey guys i’m Rooster, some of you may know me on this forums for some of my subtle trolls, some by my score updates but i am here to discuss a pressing issue that is emerging in tier 1 NA. This is not about the current score or the domination of Jade Quarry but rather the antagonization and unhealthy propaganda that is going on to purposely destroy other tier 1 servers communities.

Currently the amount of trolling, personal abuse and antogonization that is going on behind the scenes in the current tier 1 community is redicilous and appalling, never have i ever in my video game history witnessed such desperate attempts to bring down A server through such horrible propaganda.

I will start with my current server Sea of Sorrows, or some may internally refer to ourselves as #SeaofSwag. Currently the situation is not great we lost two guilds and are attempting to rebuild our community, however the negative propaganda from certain sites and individuals is making this extremely difficult. I will refer to an exhert from the community site Guild wars 2 junkies which spreads random false rumors about guilds leaving.

" most of it centers around the drama caused by Tsym (who apparently is planning to stay on SoS) and privately is throwing quite the hissy fit about these guilds departure."

now in a later post

“*Reset night in T1 is starting out with some interesting news; in short the Sea of Sorrows (SoS) drama continues to unfold.

As they prepare to enter reset, they are currently involved in heated internal fights. Multiple sources have confirmed that the catalyst for the internal fighting today is TSYM GM, name of GM*. " However more despicable is this post included screenshots of Sea of Sorrows private chatbox which the site may have recieved intel from, which is considered spying.

Now the problem with posts such as this one is they specifically antagonize certain guilds and individuals as the root of the problem. this puts unnescsary pressure on the guild and an immense and unhealthy amount of pressure on the individual which i will say has done alot for the sea of sorrows community. Now the site didn’t mention why the outburst occured, it just focused on the outburst its self.

That is just one example of many of negative propaganda in attempts to implode a server which in my opinion is disgusting.

Now i will move onto Jade Quarry, upon post of this thread i had consulted with a prominant Jade Quarry GM about the issue and he had told me that the issue was affecting his guild aswell, where he explains that certain unknown individuals had made personal attempt at undermining the guild with personal attacks which put a financial strain within the guild due to resources on repairing the damage done.

So the current situation in tier 1 NA is horrible, the community and lack of sportsman ship is redicilous and when i heard of notable guilds being attacked personally and my server being repeatedly bombarded with propaganda which causes a rift and strain within the community about who’s next to leave it’s not healthy.

My solution lets leave this way of recruitment, the battle should be fought in the battlefield not through gossip i honestly don’t understand why some individuals would stoop so low just to bring down certain servers and attempt to create negative rifts within communities which affects personal life especially in the case of the Jade Quarry guild where the actions of some caused them to throw real life money and resources for them to repair it.
Lets all just have some fun, don’t worry about the score stop trying to undermine servers and stop spreading unnescssary rumors and gossip

Thank you.

Sorry but the name of the game is Guild Wars not Guild Sports.

In a real war, sabotage, subterfuge, spying, and lies are all fair game. “exploits” and “hacks” are also fair game to those players that are willing to risk their accounts to gain the upper hand to win the war.

ArenaNet may patch up some exploits and hacks. But rumors and gossip? I don’t you’ll ever stop that.

Sabotage, subterfuge, spying, and lies are actually alright. But spamming SBI commanders with hateful private messages? Going onto SBI’s TS server and trash talk everyone? How low and classless can some people get? This is just a game ……

People won’t believe how toxic tier 1 is until they get there.

The tldr version…

I’m on SOS.
We get crushed every week.
Guilds are leaving.
It’s someone else’s fault.
Please stay and have fun

;)

Lack of rewards in WvW is causing it to grind and wear down groups resulting in a dehumanising behaviour

Sanxxx.5126:

The tldr version…

I’m on SOS.
We get crushed every week.
Guilds are leaving.
It’s someone else’s fault.
Please stay and have fun

;)

You need to work on that reading comprehension buddy!

CHIPS.6018:

Isaac.6041:

Le Rooster.8715:

Hey guys i’m Rooster, some of you may know me on this forums for some of my subtle trolls, some by my score updates but i am here to discuss a pressing issue that is emerging in tier 1 NA. This is not about the current score or the domination of Jade Quarry but rather the antagonization and unhealthy propaganda that is going on to purposely destroy other tier 1 servers communities.

Currently the amount of trolling, personal abuse and antogonization that is going on behind the scenes in the current tier 1 community is redicilous and appalling, never have i ever in my video game history witnessed such desperate attempts to bring down A server through such horrible propaganda.

I will start with my current server Sea of Sorrows, or some may internally refer to ourselves as #SeaofSwag. Currently the situation is not great we lost two guilds and are attempting to rebuild our community, however the negative propaganda from certain sites and individuals is making this extremely difficult. I will refer to an exhert from the community site Guild wars 2 junkies which spreads random false rumors about guilds leaving.

" most of it centers around the drama caused by Tsym (who apparently is planning to stay on SoS) and privately is throwing quite the hissy fit about these guilds departure."

now in a later post

“*Reset night in T1 is starting out with some interesting news; in short the Sea of Sorrows (SoS) drama continues to unfold.

As they prepare to enter reset, they are currently involved in heated internal fights. Multiple sources have confirmed that the catalyst for the internal fighting today is TSYM GM, name of GM*. " However more despicable is this post included screenshots of Sea of Sorrows private chatbox which the site may have recieved intel from, which is considered spying.

Now the problem with posts such as this one is they specifically antagonize certain guilds and individuals as the root of the problem. this puts unnescsary pressure on the guild and an immense and unhealthy amount of pressure on the individual which i will say has done alot for the sea of sorrows community. Now the site didn’t mention why the outburst occured, it just focused on the outburst its self.

That is just one example of many of negative propaganda in attempts to implode a server which in my opinion is disgusting.

Now i will move onto Jade Quarry, upon post of this thread i had consulted with a prominant Jade Quarry GM about the issue and he had told me that the issue was affecting his guild aswell, where he explains that certain unknown individuals had made personal attempt at undermining the guild with personal attacks which put a financial strain within the guild due to resources on repairing the damage done.

So the current situation in tier 1 NA is horrible, the community and lack of sportsman ship is redicilous and when i heard of notable guilds being attacked personally and my server being repeatedly bombarded with propaganda which causes a rift and strain within the community about who’s next to leave it’s not healthy.

My solution lets leave this way of recruitment, the battle should be fought in the battlefield not through gossip i honestly don’t understand why some individuals would stoop so low just to bring down certain servers and attempt to create negative rifts within communities which affects personal life especially in the case of the Jade Quarry guild where the actions of some caused them to throw real life money and resources for them to repair it.
Lets all just have some fun, don’t worry about the score stop trying to undermine servers and stop spreading unnescssary rumors and gossip

Thank you.

Sorry but the name of the game is Guild Wars not Guild Sports.

In a real war, sabotage, subterfuge, spying, and lies are all fair game. “exploits” and “hacks” are also fair game to those players that are willing to risk their accounts to gain the upper hand to win the war.

ArenaNet may patch up some exploits and hacks. But rumors and gossip? I don’t you’ll ever stop that.

Sabotage, subterfuge, spying, and lies are actually alright. But spamming SBI commanders with hateful private messages? Going onto SBI’s TS server and trash talk everyone? How low and classless can some people get? This is just a game ……

well lucky for you those classless people already left the server

As a competitor on JQ, I’m ashamed to see these kinds of malicious attack against a well accredited server like SoS. They have worked very hard to build their community and deserve every right to be in the T1 competition.

But I have high hopes SoS will perspire. With new content in WvW this upcoming month and many founding WvW guilds still around. I’m certain everything will clear up. Just a few road bumps to clear through.

Honestly I believe it will fix itself. Some of these, dare I say…bandwagon(no offense to JQ or anyone in this thread) guilds that hopped have a history of hopping when they get bored. IMO, the JQ before server transfer change was announced is the JQ I want to be fighting. They had even coverage as all of us. SoS had more, but they lost a bunch of guilds, and it would be an insanely fun and competitive competition. I loathe to see the day that neither SoR nor SoS attacks JQ at all due to the fact that there is no point, but rather beat each other to death for second.

taikerr.6205:

In the end of the day, it’s a game. It’s meant to be fun, but if I am coming home to get stressed over stuff that has little to do with the actual game and more to do with the politics that revolve around it. Well, that generally is not a good time.

^ This I agree with.

Taking a stand is allright and very good. But I just like to mention that from an outside view (yeah, i did bandwagon to SOS for eu pt) all this is exactly what is keeping me from joining a new guild or even the community ts (not native english speaker, so afarid i wont understand the slang there). I don`t want to hear about all this drama or whatever that is and where ever it came from and all the people shaking their invisible crystall ball about the future because they cannot let go of the past.
Some weeks ago everything was quite fine, even with less people and guilds there was a good and most of all friendly communication eu pt. It`s like loosing the last tower in the map, you either start complaining or you can take the view that now it can only improve from there on. Ppt also looked differently as a result.
All 3 servers need now to adjust to the new circumstances which takes time. SoS has been doing great afaik in regards to working on that and letting stuff like this creep into the game is not good. I have never read the mentioned website and do not plan on, but if its brougth to chat and forum here I notice.

During the week not the jq mass was what made us loose EB; it was kitten-talk in chat that basically emtpied EB at eu pt demoralizing ppl.

I really hope that will tone down soon.

First, let me point out that the constant use of the bandwagon myth, to JQ, is indeed that. A myth.
JQ was not winning when these transfers started. Bandwagons occur on winning servers, just so we clear that up. So try to be more accurate when you use insulting terms. Three T1 servers tried to recruit us, not just JQ. JQ just made the best argument to move there. Besides, we didn’t want to be part of a server that would PM BOMB a Guild., follow them around with server spys spamming those silly Bells, emoting endlessly, and basically acting like 6 year olds.
Second, as was also stated in a few replies above, SoS has indeed used much more destructive tactics to smash an entire server, than this silly rumor mill thing that has you all throwing fits.
I find SoS to be quite hypocritical as of late, and the OP here displays it quite nicely.
It doesn’t matter one bit if those who PM bombed not only 1 guild, but attempted to do the same to a few others (but failed) and destroyed a server that wasn’t even beating them! They did it for fun. To be evil.
Their server did not condemn them at all, they DEFENDED the tactic. At least here in the forum.
I’m tired of the whining from SoS, even if I don’t condone whatever drama is going on currently.
How about just growing up, and play the game. Win or Loose, and move on. Leave the whining, and the mind games at the basement door.

Judes.4907:

First, let me point out that the constant use of the bandwagon myth, to JQ, is indeed that. A myth.
JQ was not winning when these transfers started. Bandwagons occur on winning servers, just so we clear that up. So try to be more accurate when you use insulting terms. Three T1 servers tried to recruit us, not just JQ. JQ just made the best argument to move there. Besides, we didn’t want to be part of a server that would PM BOMB a Guild., follow them around with server spys spamming those silly Bells, emoting endlessly, and basically acting like 6 year olds.
Second, as was also stated in a few replies above, SoS has indeed used much more destructive tactics to smash an entire server, than this silly rumor mill thing that has you all throwing fits.
I find SoS to be quite hypocritical as of late, and the OP here displays it quite nicely.
It doesn’t matter one bit if those who PM bombed not only 1 guild, but attempted to do the same to a few others (but failed) and destroyed a server that wasn’t even beating them! They did it for fun. To be evil.
Their server did not condemn them at all, they DEFENDED the tactic. At least here in the forum.
I’m tired of the whining from SoS, even if I don’t condone whatever drama is going on currently.
How about just growing up, and play the game. Win or Loose, and move on. Leave the whining, and the mind games at the basement door.

“Bandwagons occur on winning servers”. Not true.

Bandwagons occur on servers that look promising and while they are mostly occur 1st place servers, people do bandwagon to select 2nd and 3rd place servers as well when they rumors are good that they have “potential” or that “all these guilds are moving to that server”.

Here is how you handle all of this. Pick a guild who’s leadership is mature and has built a good group of people, and go beat your opponents into the dust. Let other people play the recruiting, my server is better then your server game. People who tie their fun to whether they are winning in points are the ultimate losers in this game. Servers that actively recruit guilds from other servers will all eventually implode if they stay in T1 for that long, for a number of reasons already stated on these forums multiple times.

At the guild level, my own advice would be don’t be afraid to move to another server, but do it for the right reasons. Server communities in this game don’t really exists, unless you call TS and a website community, which I don’t. If you want to have the most fun you can have as a guild, and also help other people have fun at the same time, then transfer to servers where your move would create more balance in a tier.

I say kitten all of the peer pressure to play this game for the point tick. If anyone still thinks that playing for points equals real competition, in a system where you can just pay to transfer to the winning team, well I’ve got a bridge to sell you also.

Isaac.6041:

Judes.4907:

First, let me point out that the constant use of the bandwagon myth, to JQ, is indeed that. A myth.
JQ was not winning when these transfers started. Bandwagons occur on winning servers, just so we clear that up. So try to be more accurate when you use insulting terms. Three T1 servers tried to recruit us, not just JQ. JQ just made the best argument to move there. Besides, we didn’t want to be part of a server that would PM BOMB a Guild., follow them around with server spys spamming those silly Bells, emoting endlessly, and basically acting like 6 year olds.
Second, as was also stated in a few replies above, SoS has indeed used much more destructive tactics to smash an entire server, than this silly rumor mill thing that has you all throwing fits.
I find SoS to be quite hypocritical as of late, and the OP here displays it quite nicely.
It doesn’t matter one bit if those who PM bombed not only 1 guild, but attempted to do the same to a few others (but failed) and destroyed a server that wasn’t even beating them! They did it for fun. To be evil.
Their server did not condemn them at all, they DEFENDED the tactic. At least here in the forum.
I’m tired of the whining from SoS, even if I don’t condone whatever drama is going on currently.
How about just growing up, and play the game. Win or Loose, and move on. Leave the whining, and the mind games at the basement door.

“Bandwagons occur on winning servers”. Not true.

Bandwagons occur on servers that look promising and while they are mostly occur 1st place servers, people do bandwagon to select 2nd and 3rd place servers as well when they rumors are good that they have “potential” or that “all these guilds are moving to that server”.

This.

When will people stop and do even just the basic math to figure out why these types of transfers end up creating unbalanced tiers and less fun for everyone involved. It’s not really that complicated guys, yet some of you keep doing it over and over and over.

Jahn.7019:

SoS has always been one of the classiest servers around. Really it’s JQ that is the toxic server in the bunch which no one seems to like. Their attitudes and most of their guilds just seek drama and attention.

I’d say ignore them and just enjoy the game with your friends and guildmates.

It’s JQ that is the toxic server ?

If you look threw the threads and T1 posts we never had these problems until a certain server showed up. Even now you don’t see posts from JQ players bragging about how good they are. What you do see is a whole lot of crying from one of the servers in T1 and the other server, who is having internal problems, airing dirty laundry every now and then.

Maybe people on some of these servers should take a look in the mirror before pointing fingers at others because i guarantee if the score was different the conversation would be too. And that tells the real story.

Welcome to WvW. Not to sound like a complete kitten about the issue but this kind of nonsense happens in RvR like gameplay throughout MMO’s that have RvR like gameplay. It’s happened in DaoC, Happened in Age of Conan and Warhammer Online. Sadly it’s going to happen here.

People call it “politics” I’ve been calling it childish BS for a long time but the problem is it won’t ever go away.
You’ll either have to ignore it and be the bigger man as a collective and move on and just play the game or like some have said move to a different server.

I dislike when games get to that state of affairs when it comes to competition, but thems the breaks sometimes.

Yikes giving your server that that nick name who wouldnt want to jump ship burning their eyeballs out?