I would say that they will increase wall door and siege weapon hp so that it takes hours to siege instead of just running around capping with np. It will increase the grace period for losing servers through out the match time and make sure that our winners are the truly dedicated. What I have seen for the most part is sad compaired to what it could be just roming arounI with a zerg toppling points cause its just so easy to do and defence is toppling assulters with your zerg before you even render in.
I would say a good solution is a huge increase to gates,walls,siege weopons enough so each siege is a really expencive choice in both time and man power. Also increase the supply carivan rate and upgrade time so in order to siege you really need to have a team just on caravans.You could also lower the hp gained from running supply and repairing to make sieges effective.
My prediction in this proposal would leave matches won by one or two towers instead of the zergfest we have now.
Another big problem is that ET has people transferring to other servers for information. Proof:
Right now what it boils down to is:
what you are willing to do to win…
If you are willing to server hop, poach, & not give anyone a fighting chance, you will probably achieve success. If you find these things largely unethical and want to push forward with a sense of pride, then you will probably not be walking away with a victory. However you will be walking away with your held high and that counts for more in my book.
A simple solution this this, and one I’m surprised hasn’t been implemented, is to put all the servers from NA & EU in the same matchup pool. This way they would have double the amount of servers to perform matchups and it would create a much fairer tier bracket. I would find it hard to believe that the devs wouldn’t have created server clouds that couldn’t communicate to each other, and if they did, shame on them.
Before you all scream “WHAT ABOUT THE LAG”. I play from oceanic and the lag is a non-issue.
Cheers.
a solid idea that i know a couple of people have been talking about. there are however a couple of pretty MASSIVE technical challenges to come across if they do this. primarily there are no data centers that can server as a middleground between america/europe, and speed between both is heavily hampered. also i assume that the data centers are not in direct conneciton. so likely its not as simple as just flipping a switch to allow them to play against eachother. also they have already region locked american/european servers to a minor extent, which will just inflate the issue of late night raids. (america would be hitting prime time just a few hours before the europeans go to sleep) this personally would be my biggest issue as people have been complaining to no end that night time forces destroy competition.
Regarding the “night time no competition issue” – I really see this as not a problem as isn’t the current problem the fact all the dominant servers are winning because they have an organized presence, 24/7? – This really negates the issue of “night time” raids in my opinion.
Basically, put all the hardcore 24/7 servers from both continents against each other, and let the casual servers have it out at their pace. Seems fair to me if it’s technically possible. I know in GW 1 there was an international channel, surely ANET has learned from this and coded a similar fallback system in place with this game. I know when I code, I learn from my past projects.
Another big problem is that ET has people transferring to other servers for information. Proof:
while i’ve got no clue what arch is doing over there (FYI hes our guild leader) i feel its neccessary to point out that hes not attempting to do anyting, and spying is kinda stupid when your wearing the most represented guild tag in the game dont ya think… given what is going on in the background.. it looks like he may be taking screenshots
You all can keep going on about Eredon Terrace, but the reality is you could insert any server out of the top 4 and the results will be the same. The simple break down is:
1 EXTREME server who has 24/7 organization and players (HoD)
3 Highly Active servers who have great organization and coverage during NA prime time and good coverage in the off hours (ET/SBI/JQ)Someone is going to have to go down each week. ET was actually poised to go back up for the 1 week matches but got held back. If it wasn’t ET, it would have been JQ and the results would be the same.
The same thing is going to continue to happen until:
1. Another server steps into the Highly active server bunch crowd (such as people xferring to or from the Oceanic servers)
2. One of the top 4 servers tumbles down due to a mass transfer, people quitting, etc.Just the way it is.
But this isn’t just happening with that second group that has 1 of the top servers in it.
This is happening all the way down the rank charts, including the last three.
Obviously, something is wrong with the system.
I would say that was right except it should say bottom 4. The bottom 4 can’t compete with any except between themselves. You have the reverse of the top 4 essentially. You have 3 teams that deserve to be in the bottom and 1 each week will be shafted. In the top 4 you have 4 that deserve to be the top match, but 1 who will be pushed out and wreck in another match.
Another big problem is that ET has people transferring to other servers for information. Proof:
while i’ve got no clue what arch is doing over there (FYI hes our guild leader) i feel its neccessary to point out that hes not attempting to do anyting, and spying is kinda stupid when your wearing the most represented guild tag in the game dont ya think… given what is going on in the background.. it looks like he may be taking screenshots
He is entering OUR WvW to actively recruit. Something you said your guild doesn’t do.
The screenshot shows it all. If he is your guild leader, this pretty much is official confirmation from your guild that you do exactly what you said you don’t. Entering our WvW queue. You said before this is against your rules and you kick people from the guild for doing it. Good luck with that.
Maximumpanda are you running for public office anytime soon? It really seems like you are saying one thing and doing another much like most American Politicians.
Another big problem is that ET has people transferring to other servers for information. Proof:
while i’ve got no clue what arch is doing over there (FYI hes our guild leader) i feel its neccessary to point out that hes not attempting to do anyting, and spying is kinda stupid when your wearing the most represented guild tag in the game dont ya think… given what is going on in the background.. it looks like he may be taking screenshots
He is entering OUR WvW to actively recruit. Something you said your guild doesn’t do.
The screenshot shows it all. If he is your guild leader, this pretty much is official confirmation from your guild that you do exactly what you said you don’t. Entering our WvW queue. You said before this is against your rules and you kick people from the guild for doing it. Good luck with that.
sigh arch’s not putting me in a good position with this. my only counter argument is that we dont condone actively interfering with your server’s combat (calling false targets, using your siege, destroying your supply, attempting to lead your forces to targets other then us) we do admittedly recruit cross server. entering WvW is stretching it and putting me in an uncomfortable position.
i dont want to be “That Guy” who attempts to play this off, but i assume he is in no way affecting your servers ability to compete besides doing some advertisement. maybe hes taking up a WvW slot, (and this is where “that guy” comes in) did you have a queue to begin with?
Maximumpanda are you running for public office anytime soon? It really seems like you are saying one thing and doing another much like most American Politicians.
after this.. i’ve thought about it ;D
This is ridiculous. I want to do some WvW, but I am not interested in this garbage. Being camped in all spawns? Give me a break. They have 2x the number of points of both other teams combined! How are you letting this happen Arena Net?
Even if he is just there to advertise, it has more effect than that. His mere presence makes people not want to post anything about strategy in chat. Because, let’s face it, if someone posted that they were going to take a supply camp do you really think Archaos will be able to keep his mouth shut in TS?
Even if he is just there to advertise, it has more effect than that. His mere presence makes people not want to post anything about strategy in chat. Because, let’s face it, if someone posted that they were going to take a supply camp do you really think Archaos will be able to keep his mouth shut in TS?
You should expect anything you say in WvW chat to be read by the enemy team. Do you really think the opposition doesn’t have accounts logged in on the other side? Ha
And strategy? They were outnumbered 10 to 1. There is nothing that can be done at all. If you manage to take one camp while nobody is looking, you’ll loose it within 5 minutes or less.
Lets look past the immediate damage done. Past the strategic advantage it could have given. Past the wasted slot space. Past the detriment to the server’s population and wvw efforts.
It has more of an impact than that. It’s going to impact the game and the lifespan of wvw. Seeing this kind of behavior from players is going to deter people from even bothering. We’ve been matched against a server that is willing to go farther in every legitimate (and several illegitimate and largely unethical) ways of securing victory. This will become the normal behavior if it’s left unchecked. It’s already painfully obvious that is what will be happening in the top tier of wvw, but I fear it may spread and become the norm.
I’m sure the free xfers will be addressed soon by Anet, but the precedent is being set right now. If left unchecked people will do whatever they can get away with to win.
Another big problem is that ET has people transferring to other servers for information. Proof:
while i’ve got no clue what arch is doing over there (FYI hes our guild leader) i feel its neccessary to point out that hes not attempting to do anyting, and spying is kinda stupid when your wearing the most represented guild tag in the game dont ya think… given what is going on in the background.. it looks like he may be taking screenshots
He is entering OUR WvW to actively recruit. Something you said your guild doesn’t do.
The screenshot shows it all. If he is your guild leader, this pretty much is official confirmation from your guild that you do exactly what you said you don’t. Entering our WvW queue. You said before this is against your rules and you kick people from the guild for doing it. Good luck with that.
lol typical ruin.
Even if he is just there to advertise, it has more effect than that. His mere presence makes people not want to post anything about strategy in chat. Because, let’s face it, if someone posted that they were going to take a supply camp do you really think Archaos will be able to keep his mouth shut in TS?
again i dont mean to be “that guy” but even if you did take a supply camp, we would just take it back. i’ll be totally honest with you, ark neither considers you a threat or cares about what strategy you could muster. he would likely just sit there and watch as you guys took it, then get run over by the guild and laugh…
ark is not the bleeding heart i am. deep down on the inside, hes not happy until his enemy no longer exists. and in a sick way it works. Ruin was the world #1 warhammer guild, crushed the 7:1 horde population of kil’jaeden and beat dara mactire so hard that they left the guild to die in the hands of a 40 year old racist who literally lived in his mother’s basement.
at its core, while i may play politician, ruin is largely a cruel and evil organization. that said most of us are not above helping the enemy to get a decent match, hence why i have been trolling the forums.
after saying that, let me reiterate, “RUIN IS EVIL, but we play by the rules” we dont cross realm, we dont actively attempt to undermine your servers ability to fight. we do recruit and we will name/shame those who use exploits/hacks those who try and use them.
This needs sorting out NOW… not in a few weeks.
Even if he is just there to advertise, it has more effect than that. His mere presence makes people not want to post anything about strategy in chat. Because, let’s face it, if someone posted that they were going to take a supply camp do you really think Archaos will be able to keep his mouth shut in TS?
again i dont mean to be “that guy” but even if you did take a supply camp, we would just take it back. i’ll be totally honest with you, ark neither considers you a threat or cares about what strategy you could muster. he would likely just sit there and watch as you guys took it, then get run over by the guild and laugh…
ark is not the bleeding heart i am. deep down on the inside, hes not happy until his enemy no longer exists. and in a sick way it works. Ruin was the world #1 warhammer guild, crushed the 7:1 horde population of kil’jaeden and beat dara mactire so hard that they left the guild to die in the hands of a 40 year old racist who literally lived in his mother’s basement.
at its core, while i may play politician, ruin is largely a cruel and evil organization. that said most of us are not above helping the enemy to get a decent match, hence why i have been trolling the forums.
after saying that, let me reiterate, “RUIN IS EVIL, but we play by the rules” we dont cross realm, we dont actively attempt to undermine your servers ability to fight. we do recruit and we will name/shame those who use exploits/hacks those who try and use them.
I’m assuming you meant top US WAR guild. There are several EU guilds who would take great offense if you claim to be the best in the world.
So let me get this straight, ark is allowed to do all the cross-realming he wants because he doesn’t consider us a threat; but you are also saying Ruin doesn’t cross-realm. Great logic.
Just say it straight out. Ruin will do whatever they can to get an advantage, no matter how large of an advantage they already have. They don’t care about fair play. They will do it as long as A-net lets them. They are an amoral machine. Say what you want about your “rules” but if the guild leader ignores them they may as well not exist. Saying that it doesn’t count because it is Ark is laughable. The guild leader is the most important member of a guild, in that whatever they do means the guild as a whole should be held accountable.
So let me get this straight, ark is allowed to do all the cross-realming he wants because he doesn’t consider us a threat; but you are also saying Ruin doesn’t cross-realm. Great logic.
Just say it straight out. Ruin will do whatever they can to get an advantage, no matter how large of an advantage they already have. They don’t care about fair play. They will do it as long as A-net lets them. They are an amoral machine. Say what you want about your “rules” but if the guild leader ignores them they may as well not exist. Saying that it doesn’t count because it is Ark is laughable. The guild leader is the most important member of a guild, in that whatever they do means the guild as a whole should be held accountable.
we dont allow spying/ actively hindering your force. hes taking screenshots and recruiting.. theres a pretty serious difference. im saying you shouldnt worry about him stealing your “strategy” because at this point your strategy wouldn’t matter. statistically it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to win at this point and thus you are no longer a threat. if you bothered to read my last post i lay out the situation fairly well.
ark was over there for max about 30 minutes. hes back on ET and upgrading a supply camp right now if you really want me to spy for you.
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It’s to the point were this week I won’t even bother entering WvW even during Aus primetime. And I know that’s the case for a lot of people. The only way WvW is ever going to be good is to have an equal spread of guilds from different timezones on each server. At the moment the majority of oceanic players are all on the same “unofficial servers” (SOS, IOJ, GOM).
Yes, Ruin is annoying because of their overwhelming size and ability to actually make a coordinated strike. SOS doesn’t have that. We have a few decent WvW guilds, which just argue between one another. And then the rest of the pugs have no idea what to do because of the lack of leadership. Close free transfers, and open realm forums so that we can at least start building an alliance between those guilds.
It’s to the point were this week I won’t even bother entering WvW even during Aus primetime. And I know that’s the case for a lot of people.
And this is what is going to kill the game, RUIN aren’t the problem, they are just a symptom.
The real issue is that ANet have to make changes to the way WvWvW and match-ups work otherwise for servers that aren’t in an even bracket several scenarios will play out:
1 – everyone transfers to other servers to get a more even match-up, which will only cause lopsided match-ups on other servers and exacerbate queues whilst at the same time killing the servers they transferred off
2 – people just stop playing the game
One fix that people are asking for (stopping free transfers) actually wont fix the issue as the games will still be lopsided so scenario 2 above will just play out.
ANet need to allow entire guilds to transfer off servers at once through an opt-in whilst making changes to how WvWvW matches are balanced when you are in a lopsided bracket (ie since ET control most of the map vs IoJ and SoS they shouldn’t get bonuses, there should be negative consequences to allow the game to balance up).
The whole thing just looks poorly thought through and I’m not sure for all their beta testing ANet actually ran an internal lopsided WvWvW to see what the impact would be, seems like poor planning.
The problem I have with free transfers at the moment is that people aren’t using them properly, in that as soon as their server starts losing they jump ship to whoever is winning. Instead of giving it a few weeks for the servers to settle down and guilds to establish, you have people switching servers every few days.
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