Guild Wars 2

Wolbryne.4037:

Zuchie

Who?

Thank you for the fights on SFR and Deso borders last night Vizunians and SFR! I had a blast.

I will say i also had alot of fun for 30 mins in the EB JP camping it out. ‘Jumping puzzle completion’ dailies are awesome:D

Troma.3250:

As i repeated like 1000 times my dear Aneu, killing guilds with mixed groups can be very hard to manage for the “pug” commander. So i can understand it ! myself, when i had to lead the 3-4 first months (against Far Shiverpeaks for exemple) sometimes i didn’t have the choice !

Anyway it really depend on the troops in the mixed raid, sometimes it’s Fifilepetitguerrier, sometimes it’s François Le Destructeur, an heavy warrior with armored beret and striped iron jersey, magical baguette launcher +100% crit and frogs on steroid for pet.

Try to build a mixed raid, put your commander on, and charge WL for exemple. Tell me the result after

Why wouldn’t PUG’s charge WL? They will most likely die but whats wrong with that? This entire issue you have going on that seems to be about not wiping is just beyond a joke now. Preferring to sit inside a keep/tower on the kitten end of a cata/arrowcart simply cant be as fun as getting out there going toe to toe with an enemy, even if you die.

Almost everyone who plays this game doesn’t -want- to die but we all have at some point, some more than others and its part of the game, the only way pugs will improve is to throw them at situations that are quite difficult to deal with, put them in situations where they have to manage themselves in a way within which any mistake means they die.

We knew this would eventually happen and we knew it was only a matter of time before two servers fed up of Vizunah’s constant prattle about “being the best” but only actually being good a night-capping not at open field combat or anything else for that matter meant Vizunah wouldnt win, you also know that if this is kept up then the joyriders on your server who are simply used to easy-no nonsense wins will either quit GW2 or leave your server, its part of the evolution of most servers but why cant you just see that the fall of Vizunah is not down to anything other than your own inability to let yourselves and those you fight enjoy the game as it was intended, and not blue balling to the extreme (which has been going on for some time now, having experienced it on SFR and now also on Desolation).

Aneu.1748:

Why wouldn’t PUG’s charge WL? They will most likely die but whats wrong with that? This entire issue you have going on that seems to be about not wiping is just beyond a joke now. Preferring to sit inside a keep/tower on the kitten end of a cata/arrowcart simply cant be as fun as getting out there going toe to toe with an enemy, even if you die.

Almost everyone who plays this game doesn’t -want- to die but we all have at some point, some more than others and its part of the game, the only way pugs will improve is to throw them at situations that are quite difficult to deal with, put them in situations where they have to manage themselves in a way within which any mistake means they die.

Seriously? Of course pugs aren’t going to charge a well-known guild of a certain caliber, that’d be stupid.
There’s a difference between going “QQ DUN WANNA DIIIIEEEEE” and “If we charge them, we die and lose this tower/keep/whatever the kitten it is that we’re trying to hold”.

I’m not a commander (though I’m contemplating buying the book because… eh, why not. Donations welcome.) but I sure as hell wouldn’t lead a group of people of uncertain skill and cooperation against a guild such as GH, RG, and the like. And I actually love openfield combat.
Because it would be down right useless and a waste of time, better to make them waste their time and hope we either get reinforcements so we can outnumber/sandwich them, or hope they have to run off because other people on the field are casually capping everything else because they’re trying to take wherever I’m holed up.

Challenge is good, but there’s a difference between challenge and sheer idiocy.

Caliban.3176:

…I will attempt to explain why I dislike fighting against Vizunah….they run to the nearest keep our tower. …How does nightcapping fit into this? That’s easy, it just perpetuates the style of not fighting actual enemies and it makes it a lot easier for people to run to towers that are now upgraded and just more difficult to force players out of.Why stay in T1 then? Fighting people and having intense battles can also be very competitive….People asked for the reasons their opponents had for not wanting to play against them and I have given those. I hope I did not offend anyone with this post, that was not my intention.

Thank you for your message.
From my own point of view :

- players of other servers escaping to their own towers to avoid fighting is common, I see that behavior from any server I fighted against, and I see that everytime I play, especially on guild raids btw, and that includes SFR and Deso,

- this is war and you are not supposed to love your opponents you know ? this is true that the strongest server in a match has often the ability to choose which server will go down, we do this as well, there is no problem with that since the game is shaped for that,

- I fight in intense battles everytime I play WvW, we do provide that sort of “entertainment”, choose the right map if you are looking for that, but the main map is not the best one for that because towers are very close to each other, the main map is more about playing cat & mouse,

- being in T1 is being involved in a competition, if you want to not play for points but for guild fights, because this is what you are expecting with your open battlefields then you should consider swaping to another guild or know the ones which will provide what you expect : this is what I have done recently, I changed of guild to get involved in these specific & intense fights on a regular basis, and when I have the time to give a hand on points harvesting then I go with pugs.

Don’t blame VZ to not provide you what you expect, we indeed offer with much pleasure that sort of fights and we expect them, but rather you should wonder where and who.

Pretorian & Shifty can u two get a room pls

I was going to argue but Genev answered for me.

Also, Vizunians do charge even in well-known guilds on a regular basis. But hardly all the time.

That’s the difference. Please do not over-exagerate.

Well when i had the choice between run into a useless 99% chance of dying and being able to annoy a full bus of ennemies with siege weapon safely inside the fort… the descision is easy to make. Soooo sorry we don’t give you epic fight you’re so deeply searching for to satisfy your enormous ego.

I’m sorry Aneu, but there is still a big propaganda about “VS sux at all except nightcap”

if we were that sucky, we would tick at 50 every day since august and don’t stay in T1. If we really were hidden in castles everytime, do you really think people would keep playing? “ok guys, we will hide for 10hours in bay, please do some poker or masturbate while we keep ticking lol” no please, seriously.

or for the guilds “ok guys, there is IRON in front of us, please hide a little while they go lol”

In primetime (France is GMT+1 for us, Russia your primetime start at 6-7pm for us and we have less troops, i explain it since Far Shiverpeaks wars) the tick is medium for all, or sometimes a server has more. But it change every minut.

When is this RG v GH video coming xD

Sird.4536:

When is this RG v GH video coming xD

There’s already a few out One has it’s own thread on the forum i think

Shifty.3412:

Sird.4536:

When is this RG v GH video coming xD

There’s already a few out One has it’s own thread on the forum i think

Y seen that but the person recording was only in the last fight. Want to see it from Lyric’s pov

@Aneu : pretty much what Genev and Kazuno said. We’re not on the battlefield to satisfy your ego (or anyone’s). We’re on the battlefield to win.
If that means turtling for 5 mins in a keep while the guilds come, we’ll do it.
But it’s just because we’re absolutly selfless : we don’t want you to only knock on wood when there is noone to defend the structures, as it seems it’s what you dislike the most in this game.

Vizunah is not falling down, but thanks for the concern

Troma.3250:

Awesome plain fight with mixed Vizunians versus mixed RG/opt/sin and i even see Lani Ster in. Near VS Bay 5 minuts ago. Had a blast ! (and please, stop with the “VS stay hidden in castle lol”)

Was fun ! It was something like 25vs30… It was balanced and very cool.
Nice job to range group, we took so much damages from them.

Victory is going to you for this fights, nothing to say. :p

Xispeo.1706:

Thank you for your message.
From my own point of view :

- players of other servers escaping to their own towers to avoid fighting is common, I see that behavior from any server I fighted against, and I see that everytime I play, especially on guild raids btw, and that includes SFR and Deso,

- this is war and you are not supposed to love your opponents you know ? this is true that the strongest server in a match has often the ability to choose which server will go down, we do this as well, there is no problem with that since the game is shaped for that,

- I fight in intense battles everytime I play WvW, we do provide that sort of “entertainment”, choose the right map if you are looking for that, but the main map is not the best one for that because towers are very close to each other,

- being in T1 is being involved in a competition, if you want to not play for points but for guild fights, because this is what you are expecting with your open battlefields then you should consider swaping to another guild or know the ones which will provide what you expect : this is what I have done recently, I changed of guild to get involved in these specific & intense fights on a regular basis, and when I have the time to give a hand on points harvesting then I go with pugs.

Don’t blame VZ to not provide you what you expect, we indeed offer with much pleasure that sort of fights and we expect them, but rather you should wonder where and who.

I will try to reply to the points you made.

-There is a difference between a tactical retreat and downright avoidance of battle. It feel like the last is uncommon in servers like SFR and Deso.

-I have little to add to your second point, I agree but do not see its relevance to what I said (pleasen enlighten me if I missed the point).

-I hardly ever go to EB, so that is definitely not the problem here. I do not go to EB for the exact reasons you mention.

-Even guilds who focus on GvG can’t do that 24/7 and sometimes they want to go around and fight in less expected ways than to just gather somewhere and attack eachother. The fact that you can ambush people, jump down cliffs, hold them in chokepoints and flank them when they don’t expect it, is great. That is where the objectives come in they are a means to get those fights, not a way to avoid them. (At least that’s what they are to me and how I feel they are handled on several servers.) I am also very happy with the guild I am in, it provides me with everything I want. (I could write another huge post about this but I think I have gotten the point across.)

-I do blame Vizunah for me not enjoying the game more. However I do not think it is within my right to tell you to stop what you are doing because of that. If you truly have the most fun you can while playing the game like this, by all means go ahead and continue. I couldn’t enjoy it like that however. The perfect solution to me it seems would be that you get that kind of fun in another tier while T1 can become a tier where the servers that enjoy the same kind of metagame have the most fun. A T1 matchup with 3 servers that enjoy fighting eachother and for whom the pointsgame comes a close second to the actual fighting and not the other way around.

So in short I’ll say it again. You can play the game however you want, but because certain guilds and people do not enjoy playing against an opponent who plays it that way you cannot blame me (or anyone with the same opinion on the matter as me) for not wanting you in T1.

In reference to what Aneu and Troma said and the conversation it has given birth to.
Pugs should charge WL and they might die (it is likely) but they also might not. It has happened several times that great guilds get wiped by less organized groups, you can tell by the bragging that always comes from it on these forums. You are selling yourself and all pugs short if you think that you will always die or that it served no purpose.
It is also not about ego’s I know that I as well as several guilds would much rather lose a fight than having to go chasing players just to get a fight.

P.S. Troma, you seem to think that VoTF is Russian, (as do many others on Jeuxonline) but they are not.

Sird.4536:

When is this RG v GH video coming xD

Fews weeks ago we was thinking desolation would be the second server staying on T1 , it seem we made a mistake , we forgot the effect of corruption

Hope you’ll wake up and play this war as we do for broke the last jumper server.
Vizunah will never give up.

Caliban.3176:

… -I do blame Vizunah for me not enjoying the game more. However I do not think it is within my right to tell you to stop what you are doing because of that. If you truly have the most fun you can while playing the game like this, by all means go ahead and continue. I couldn’t enjoy it like that however. The perfect solution to me it seems would be that you get that kind of fun in another tier while T1 can become a tier where the servers that enjoy the same kind of metagame have the most fun. A T1 matchup with 3 servers that enjoy fighting eachother and for whom the pointsgame comes a close second to the actual fighting and not the other way around….

Ok short version :

- we don’t care At All if you don’t like us, we are ennemies not friends,

- we don’t care At All if you are not able on your own to have fun with GW2 : go play another game if you dislike GW2 rules or go to lower matches where they avoid many aspects of the game to get concentrated on some specific gameplay.

Caliban.3176:

-I do blame Vizunah for me not enjoying the game more..

Yeah, here is the problem.
VS can’t do anything about that, so please direct your concerns to Anet. I mean it in all seriousness, no troll intended.
If VS is not playing the game like it should be played, the developers will do something about it.

In the meantime, please go and “play the game like it was intended to be played ©” with another server.

This thing is a never-ending cycle that started in the flamewars between AS and VS. We, French people, call it “Bôjeu”, and it saddens me not to be able to offer a perfect translation. You’d hear the vanity of it.

Reduktion.5791:

And i have to say, i m disappointed that Wrench Crowbar has left us for Desolation.

WHAT?! Aww man, I loved that guy (no kitten ! That’s why I haven’t seen him for ages

@ Leorcyn and Xispeo : this whole discussion is pointless as you won’t budge from your views and our reasons for not liking your playstyle are apparently invalid. But instead of going to lower tiers like Xispeo suggests, I’d rather work to have YOU enjoy them

Genev.2450:

Seriously? Of course pugs aren’t going to charge a well-known guild of a certain caliber, that’d be stupid.
There’s a difference between going “QQ DUN WANNA DIIIIEEEEE” and “If we charge them, we die and lose this tower/keep/whatever the kitten it is that we’re trying to hold”.

Challenge is good, but there’s a difference between challenge and sheer idiocy.

QFT. It’s amazing how many people don’t seem to realize this.

Then again, people also whine about Vizunah after pushing themselves in the same matchup as them. It’s quite simple really. Not interested in fighting Vizunah? Stay in other matchups :P

Edit:

And if you came to t1 just to push Vizunah down, then why all the whining. You knew what you were getting yourselves into.

Leorcyn.1063:

Caliban.3176:

-I do blame Vizunah for me not enjoying the game more..

Yeah, here is the problem.
VS can’t do anything about that, so please direct your concerns to Anet. I mean it in all seriousness, no troll intended.
If VS is not playing the game like it should be played, the developers will do something about it.

In the meantime, please go and “play the game like it was intended to be played ©” with another server.

This thing is a never-ending cycle that started in the flamewars between AS and VS. We, French people, call it “Bôjeu”, and it saddens me not to be able to offer a perfect translation. You’d hear the vanity of it.

I’m belgian, I understand what you mean with the term. I also said that I do not expect you to change, you do not have to do anything about that. If this is how you have fun than I hope that you can forever keep doing this.

Please do not be mad however that we prefer not to play that game with you.

@Xispeo
I do not dislike you. Play whatever you want just don’t be mad that some people try to change T1 because they do not enjoy Vizunah’s playstyle.

As for going to lower tiers to do what I enjoy, I pretty much explained that in my first post on the subject.

Wolfheart.1938:

@ Leorcyn and Xispeo : this whole discussion is pointless as you won’t budge from your views and our reasons for not liking your playstyle are apparently invalid. But instead of going to lower tiers like Xispeo suggests, I’d rather work to have YOU enjoy them

So you want to change the focus and enjoyment of a whole server, fighting in T1 since the beginning, from W3 to GvG?

And no – W3 doesn’t mean nightcapping, it means playing for points even if that means avoiding combat; and not running in a circle for 15m with your guild in a pack, RG-style, killing, on a plain, 5 or 10 random pugs who were on their way to the puzzle jump or roaming, while you could be capping a fort or being of some use to the map, in a strategic way.
Then have a real warm feeling of accomplishment in your heart because of what you did, and go to the forums to flex your muscles and speak about “huge domination in open field combat” or “those VS rats who flee the fights and don’t do anything apart from staying in their forst”.
‘coz, you know, that’s fun !

Anyway, good luck with that.
I’ll wait for you to convince me with the amazing power of your mind that your way of seeing W3 is the right one. I’ll just play the game mode I’m given until then.

Genev.2450:

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This is in large where the problem stems from, and you can see it in your post. You equate skill to numbers which is something I am constantly against. Sure the lag has made the number of auto-attacks make a difference but in general terms when fighting larger numbers there are ways you can win that arent all that hard to figure out. All servers seem to tout their “militia” or “Pugs” and want to make the game as fun as possible for the “pugs” but is that fun really blue-balling the enemy to the extent that the only fight you get is one you know you will win as a fact? Or is it engaging in a fight that you have no conclusion drawn upon and you win through sheer willpower and skill? Which would you prefer? VoTF havent got to the point we are at today by blueballing people, neither has RG nor quite a few other guilds I know that will engage no matter what size you throw at them. We engage and look at our limits we then look at how we can improve on what we have. Why deny the casual player on any server that opportunity? Because commander ego’s want to be known for “Winning” every engagement?

Winning means a different thing to many people but to those of us who truly play GuildWARS 2 for fighting others who are good winning doesn’t always mean wiping the enemy, it means improving continually and finding new ways within which you can advance your approach to fighting other players. Blueballing is absolutely against this ethos, an ethos which you can actually derive success from, rather than the disgust inducing blueball / hide in keep tactics that seems to be prolific at the moment.

So I ask again, why aren’t pugs going to charge WL? Why not charge VoTF or RG or any other guild out there? What do you have to lose? If a tower or keep is under attack then why not just give it up freely because you will have to face said guild anyway. The best defense in this game is offense, keeping the enemy on the back foot even as a pug commander gives you an advantage and it is quite possible for commanders who are organized enough to control the “randoms” on a map to engage an organized guild and keep them held off in open field… You just need to try. If you die in open field what will you lose? Nothing! Thats right! Absolutely nothing but you may surprise yourself with a win, or a very small repair bill, either of which means you’ve had fun.

Kazuno.9218:

Well when i had the choice between run into a useless 99% chance of dying and being able to annoy a full bus of ennemies with siege weapon safely inside the fort… the descision is easy to make. Soooo sorry we don’t give you epic fight you’re so deeply searching for to satisfy your enormous ego.

I too am sorry that this attitude is now making sure your server is not only known as a complete hypocrisy to this game but also going to get you kicked out of your much loved Tier 1.

Troma.3250:

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You can quite easily check the PPT on that very nifty french website that shows Vizunah’s low PPT during european prime time and also your huge PPT advantage in early mornings for quite a while now. How is this a form of propaganda? Its fact…

VoTF is not a Russian guild, we are European and we also have some people from NA.

Point is, as most of my replies have attempted to show that Vizunah’s entire winning streak has been based upon the “blue ball” strategy that has been to reduce the game to nothing but bore tactics and annoyances for your enemies, and now you are paying the price. So you have a choice to make, you can either fight for your place (which seems to be somewhat happening from a small amount of Vizunians) or you can continue your blueball strategy and we will peel keep after keep and tower after tower away from you and reduce you to another tier.

Your servers past choices have repercussions and you are seeing them right now, make sure the decisions you make currently don’t put you in more of a mess than you are currently. Increasing your fight will give your players more fun, increasing your blueball strat will make the enemy servers dislike you even further. Its not hard to figure out.

Wolfheart.1938:

Reduktion.5791:

And i have to say, i m disappointed that Wrench Crowbar has left us for Desolation.

WHAT?! Aww man, I loved that guy (no kitten ! That’s why I haven’t seen him for ages

Our beloved Wrench is currently away with his move but he will be making his mark on Desolation fairly soon I am sure

dear god i’m glad to be back playing this game, so many rivalries, so many situations so beautiful to see!

who the hell is Wrench? been away for a while… :P

Summary of last episodes :

01- Every serv which has faced VS since the release deserved #1

02- SFR deserves #1 more than all of these

03- VS outman 10:1 every opponent serv at every hour of every day

04- All servers fight with 90+ players blobs

05- VS blobs are 120+ players

06- VS is only PvDing

07- SFR dominates strongly every EU primetime with 400+ average score

08- 95% of VS pop is made of unemployed people

09- 40% of VS pop is made of cheaters

10- 50% of VS pop is made of Canadians, North Africans and people from DOM, TOM & CTOM

11- Average rank of VS without morning cap is T7-T8

12- WvW is intended to reward beat’em all playstyle

13- T2 playstyle is always better than T1 ¹

14- VS never fights outside buildings

15- Every server except VS score while there is a strong opposition (not during the afternoon/night/morning)

16- VS scores only against npcs

17- Every server is always facing an alliance of the two others

18- Bandwagoning has never existed ²

19- Most of VS guilds have transferred to JS ³

20- Any group/band/raid of any server will always crush a group/band/raid of VS in openfield

21- Any group/band/raid of SFR will always crush a group/band/raid of another server in openfield

22- WvW is designed to only reward fight during russian and EU primetime

23- If you sign doesn’t contain 100k+ kills, your argument is invalid

24- Vizunians don’t move on the battlefield, they flee toward a building

25- VS has brought blob fighting style in T1

26- All servers except VS are practising “bôjeu”

27- SFR is practising a far more “bôjeu” than other servers

28- Vizunians must outman 3:1 any other player to down him

29- Vizunians must outman 5:1 any SFR’s player to down him

30- Culling is fixed

¹ : when you are in T2 or when you’re going to drop into T2
² : excepted on VS
³ : point 03 still ok after that

ps: my english is bad, blablablah..

Masori.3528:

DarkieDuck.9521:

omphin.1752:

REAL.7483:

IRON do you force your people to contest Garrison 24/7 ? what the hell… We always have scouts at that time, we don´t need garrison WP to defend our towers and you don´t even try Garrison! You are just being annoying come on… Let your people enjoy the game!

Actually people love your response and they volunteer to do the job. i’ll have to tell the guys you said thanks, lol

Really?
Its usually the same thief all the time.
I can understand the tagging if you want to go for bay or hills , but even when we just got our towers he keeps tagging

Last night the IRON thief took a break, and i thought i could finally stop scouting , but then a Viz thief came todo the same thing

I am one of the persons thats usually hanging around garrison , and the IRON thief really got me thinking.
I mean , how much fun can you have tagging a garrison every 3mins for like 4hrs a day? :S

I was doing it yesterday from 19:00 till 21:00. And i’m an ele.
Was quite funny that you needed 10 people orso to get me down. But hey i died due falling dmg! No repairs \0/.

Ya i noticed, first time i saw a ele do it.
I was that staff ele that was trying to catch you.
Which was near impossible because after the tag you went Mist Form and into the water
I hate water

Muan.1029:

Summary of last episodes :

01- Every serv which has faced VS since the release deserved #1

02- SFR deserves #1 more than all of these

03- VS outman 10:1 every opponent serv at every hour of every day

04- All servers fight with 90+ players blobs

05- VS blobs are 120+ players

06- VS is only PvDing

07- SFR dominates strongly every EU primetime with 400+ average score

08- 95% of VS pop is made of unemployed people

09- 40% of VS pop is made of cheaters

10- 50% of VS pop is made of Canadians, North Africans and people from DOM, TOM & CTOM

11- Average rank of VS without morning cap is T7-T8

12- WvW is intended to reward beat’em all playstyle

13- T2 playstyle is always better than T1 ¹

14- VS never fights outside buildings

15- Every server except VS score while there is a strong opposition (not during the afternoon/night/morning)

16- VS scores only against npcs

17- Every server is always facing an alliance of the two others

18- Bandwagoning has never existed ²

19- Most of VS guilds have transferred to JS ³

20- Any group/band/raid of any server will always crush a group/band/raid of VS in openfield

21- Any group/band/raid of SFR will always crush a group/band/raid of another server in openfield

22- WvW is designed to only reward fight during russian and EU primetime

23- If you sign doesn’t contain 100k+ kills, your argument is invalid

24- Vizunians don’t move on the battlefield, they flee toward a building

25- VS has brought blob fighting style in T1

26- All servers except VS are practising “bôjeu”

27- SFR is practising a far more “bôjeu” than other servers

28- Vizunians must outman 3:1 any other player to down him

29- Vizunians must outman 5:1 any SFR’s player to down him

30- Culling is fixed

¹ : when you are in T2 or when you’re going to drop into T2
² : excepted on VS
³ : point 03 still ok after that

ps: my english is bad, blablablah..

Ahahaha this made my day!

Gratz Muan, this one is a good laugh

Muan.1029:

ps: my english is bad, blablablah..

You should speak hebrew then.

Anyway, I ask a post-it for Muan’s one.

DrixTrix.7168:

who the hell is Wrench? been away for a while… :P

Wrench is VoTF’s late morning/early afternoon commander. He’s very sexy.

Aneu.1748:

Genev.2450:

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This is in large where the problem stems from, and you can see it in your post. You equate skill to numbers which is something I am constantly against. Sure the lag has made the number of auto-attacks make a difference but in general terms when fighting larger numbers there are ways you can win that arent all that hard to figure out. All servers seem to tout their “militia” or “Pugs” and want to make the game as fun as possible for the “pugs” but is that fun really blue-balling the enemy to the extent that the only fight you get is one you know you will win as a fact? Or is it engaging in a fight that you have no conclusion drawn upon and you win through sheer willpower and skill? Which would you prefer? VoTF havent got to the point we are at today by blueballing people, neither has RG nor quite a few other guilds I know that will engage no matter what size you throw at them. We engage and look at our limits we then look at how we can improve on what we have. Why deny the casual player on any server that opportunity? Because commander ego’s want to be known for “Winning” every engagement?

Winning means a different thing to many people but to those of us who truly play GuildWARS 2 for fighting others who are good winning doesn’t always mean wiping the enemy, it means improving continually and finding new ways within which you can advance your approach to fighting other players. Blueballing is absolutely against this ethos, an ethos which you can actually derive success from, rather than the disgust inducing blueball / hide in keep tactics that seems to be prolific at the moment.

So I ask again, why aren’t pugs going to charge WL? Why not charge VoTF or RG or any other guild out there? What do you have to lose? If a tower or keep is under attack then why not just give it up freely because you will have to face said guild anyway. The best defense in this game is offense, keeping the enemy on the back foot even as a pug commander gives you an advantage and it is quite possible for commanders who are organized enough to control the “randoms” on a map to engage an organized guild and keep them held off in open field… You just need to try. If you die in open field what will you lose? Nothing! Thats right! Absolutely nothing but you may surprise yourself with a win, or a very small repair bill, either of which means you’ve had fun.

I’m quite certain Genev’s post doesn’t imply skill= numbers in any way.

You say VoTF and RG haven’t gotten to where they are by running from fights that seem lost. Well, I believe neither is running with multiple undergeared and underleveled people without voip and with absolutely no build synergy either. There is potentially quite a big difference in 25 pugs and 25 members of a WvW oriented guild. But you are completely ignoring that difference.

aha thanks Aneu, anything else i should know? Desolation got any real enemies they will break of and destroy at any chances?

Genev.2450:

Wolbryne.4037:

Zuchie

Who?

zuchie = moorta

I don’t care if other servers don’t like my own one and want to change how T1 matches are going on. At some point, in the scenario that VZ goes down to T2 which will sooner or later happen most probably, the next leading server will start to play as we are and will also get focused and hated : because this is human nature to behave that way. I would just expect some more intelligence from a player base, but this is a mainstream game and we all (don’t consider the dumbs of our community) know what sort of bad guys this drags.

Xispeo.1706:

I don’t care if other servers don’t like my own one and want to change how T1 matches are going on. At some point, in the scenario that VZ goes down to T2 which will sooner or later happen most probably, the next leading server will start to play as we are and will also get focused and hated : because this is human nature to behave that way. I would just expect some more intelligence from a player base, but this is a mainstream game and we all (don’t consider the dumbs of our community) know what sort of bad guys this drags.

I think this a good place to conclude this. You are right, you should not care. I hope that you are wrong and SFR will not change too much (though I fear it might).

I hope to see you in game and hopefully one of us drops good loot for the other.

Caliban.3176:

Xispeo.1706:

I don’t care if other servers don’t like my own one and want to change how T1 matches are going on. At some point, in the scenario that VZ goes down to T2 which will sooner or later happen most probably, the next leading server will start to play as we are and will also get focused and hated : because this is human nature to behave that way. I would just expect some more intelligence from a player base, but this is a mainstream game and we all (don’t consider the dumbs of our community) know what sort of bad guys this drags.

I think this a good place to conclude this. You are right, you should not care. I hope that you are wrong and SFR will not change too much (though I fear it might).

I hope to see you in game and hopefully one of us drops good loot for the other.

The hardest is not to be the first, this is to stay n°1

Aneu.1748:

now you are paying the price. So you have a choice to make, you can either fight for your place (which seems to be somewhat happening from a small amount of Vizunians) or you can continue your blueball strategy and we will peel keep after keep and tower after tower away from you and reduce you to another tier.

Your servers past choices have repercussions and you are seeing them right now, make sure the decisions you make currently don’t put you in more of a mess than you are currently. Increasing your fight will give your players more fun, increasing your blueball strat will make the enemy servers dislike you even further. Its not hard to figure out.

Good luck, but don’t hate on us when you will fail.

Muan.1029:

Summary of last episodes :

01- Every serv which has faced VS since the release deserved #1

02- SFR deserves #1 more than all of these

… etc.

One of the top 5 posts in this thread, priceless :-)
Thanks 4 that one !

Tygra.4570:

…Good luck, but don’t hate on us when you will fail.

Nevermind if they like us or not, at least we know we don’t like them.

Wow, seems like the “Vizunah Spirit” is back. According to the motto: If we can´t beat
Desolation in Primetime to reach Rank 2, let´s heavily morningcap them:D
Congratulation!!

Which I now believe that some desolation guilds try to intentionally lose.
The Playstyle , from the tactical point of views, of GoD last evening is inexplicable for me.
If SFR is attacking Vizunah Garision at inner Gate, what an advantage it has then for Deso to attack the SFR Spawntower?
The end of the Story was: SFR retained his Tower and VZ his Garision. Deso got nothing!
Instead of capping the VZ Spawntowers without resistance and make your direct opponent lose 45Points ( 25Garision+2x10Tower) you have done Vizunah a huge Favor.
Only one of many examples.
Would some Desolation guilds tactically play a bit smarter, the Pointdistance to VZ would be much bigger.

generalkreator.4687:

Wow, seems like the “Vizunah Spirit” is back. According to the motto: If we can´t beat
Desolation in Primetime to reach Rank 2, let´s heavily morningcap them:D
Congratulation!!

Which I now believe that some desolation guilds try to intentionally lose.
The Playstyle , from the tactical point of views, of GoD last evening is inexplicable for me.
If SFR is attacking Vizunah Garision at inner Gate, what an advantage it has then for Deso to attack the SFR Spawntower?
The end of the Story was: SFR retained his Tower and VZ his Garision. Deso got nothing!
Instead of capping the VZ Spawntowers without resistance and make your direct opponent lose 45Points ( 25Garision+2x10Tower) you have done Vizunah a huge Favor.
Only one of many examples.
Would some Desolation guilds tactically play a bit smarter, the Pointdistance to VZ would be much bigger.

Mad your Evil Plan is an Epic Fail bro?

generalkreator.4687:

Wow, seems like the “Vizunah Spirit” is back. According to the motto: If we can´t beat
Desolation in Primetime to reach Rank 2, let´s heavily morningcap them:D

That’s cute that you still believe that <3_<3
Here, have a cookie !

Trying to pull Deso in your misinformation spiral is somehow very entertaining. Your skill for that is relatively low, and their skill to understand your game is relatively high ; this leads to grotesque situations.

generalkreator.4687:

Wow, seems like the “Vizunah Spirit” is back. According to the motto: If we can´t beat
Desolation in Primetime to reach Rank 2, let´s heavily morningcap them:D
Congratulation!!

Which I now believe that some desolation guilds try to intentionally lose.
The Playstyle , from the tactical point of views, of GoD last evening is inexplicable for me.
If SFR is attacking Vizunah Garision at inner Gate, what an advantage it has then for Deso to attack the SFR Spawntower?
The end of the Story was: SFR retained his Tower and VZ his Garision. Deso got nothing!
Instead of capping the VZ Spawntowers without resistance and make your direct opponent lose 45Points ( 25Garision+2x10Tower) you have done Vizunah a huge Favor.
Only one of many examples.
Would some Desolation guilds tactically play a bit smarter, the Pointdistance to VZ would be much bigger.

When will people ever understand, Deso neither plays the mind game like SFR nor the Points game like VS.

Deso has always been a single timezone server, and any server like SFR can easily beat Deso.

Dont expect us to wake up in the morning just to “win” , we dont care whether we win or lose, but we will not lose sleep over it like others.

salluks.6017:

…When will people ever understand, Deso neither plays the mind game like SFR nor the Points game like VS.

Deso has always been a single timezone server, and any server like SFR can easily beat Deso.

Dont expect us to wake up in the morning just to “win” , we dont care whether we win or lose, but we will not lose sleep over it like others.

Keep that way so !

If you are in T1 by only playing for the fun of it and don’t care about results then you are a great server !

Aneu.1748:

You can quite easily check the PPT on that very nifty french website that shows Vizunah’s low PPT during european prime time and also your huge PPT advantage in early mornings for quite a while now. How is this a form of propaganda? Its fact…

Update is not regular in our primetime (21h – 23/00h).
2013-03-13 07:10:15 103 429 +320
?
2013-03-12 20:42:44 89 219 +155
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2013-03-11 01:39:28 51 136 +105
?
2013-03-10 21:30:33 47 105 +190
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2013-03-09 23:04:21 24 388 +235
?
2013-03-09 16:30:02 15 910 +230

Unfortunately it does not show this every days:
http://hpics.li/cc9d8e8 22:24.

Leorcyn.1063:

Trying to pull Deso in your misinformation spiral is somehow very entertaining. Your skill for that is relatively low, and their skill to understand your game is relatively high ; this leads to grotesque situations.

>

Xispeo.1706:

Keep that way so !

If you are in T1 by only playing for the fun of it and don’t care about results then you are a great server !

Funny

salluks.6017:

generalkreator.4687:

Wow, seems like the “Vizunah Spirit” is back. According to the motto: If we can´t beat
Desolation in Primetime to reach Rank 2, let´s heavily morningcap them:D
Congratulation!!

Which I now believe that some desolation guilds try to intentionally lose.
The Playstyle , from the tactical point of views, of GoD last evening is inexplicable for me.
If SFR is attacking Vizunah Garision at inner Gate, what an advantage it has then for Deso to attack the SFR Spawntower?
The end of the Story was: SFR retained his Tower and VZ his Garision. Deso got nothing!
Instead of capping the VZ Spawntowers without resistance and make your direct opponent lose 45Points ( 25Garision+2x10Tower) you have done Vizunah a huge Favor.
Only one of many examples.
Would some Desolation guilds tactically play a bit smarter, the Pointdistance to VZ would be much bigger.

When will people ever understand, Deso neither plays the mind game like SFR nor the Points game like VS.

Deso has always been a single timezone server, and any server like SFR can easily beat Deso.

Dont expect us to wake up in the morning just to “win” , we dont care whether we win or lose, but we will not lose sleep over it like others.

Why you quote my post without reading it ??

Muan: Made me lol, nice

Aneu: Dear god, i thought i wrote wall of text’s sometimes o.O

Genev.2450:

Genev.2450:

Removed due to reply being too long

Wall of kittening text

Wat? Did you even read my post? Have you ever played in a full pug group? Have you ever played WvW?
So many questions to a post which is… not very relevant to what I wrote actually

Also not sure if you noticed my guild (or if you even know my guild, my “guild ego” says you should have, alas, some people don’t hear all the good stuff for some reason :p), but if you know anything you should know we’ve had no problem taking on larger groups and smashing them into pieces.

I don’t know VoTF’s playstyle, only seen you around twice and neither of those times I was running with you (keeping commander tag off in a bl without commanders… so mean, don’t want the pugs following?), but I doubt you just run in and go “lalalalalaaaaa cross fingers for win”… Which is basically what you tell pugs to do if I’m not mistaken? Sure sounds that way.

Besides, why can’t it be fun for people to hold off a strong guild inside a keep? While I prefer open field, I’ve had tons of fun fighting off enemies from inside, defending it as long as possible. Sure you’ll ahve to fight them eventually, but why shouldnt people who have a slim to none chance of taking them on in open field do this on their own terms? Maybe they’ll enjoy it… Maybe they’ll win! :o

Edit: Current donations to my commander book: 3g! Yeah!

DarkieDuck.9521:

Masori.3528:

DarkieDuck.9521:

omphin.1752:

REAL.7483:

IRON do you force your people to contest Garrison 24/7 ? what the hell… We always have scouts at that time, we don´t need garrison WP to defend our towers and you don´t even try Garrison! You are just being annoying come on… Let your people enjoy the game!

Actually people love your response and they volunteer to do the job. i’ll have to tell the guys you said thanks, lol

Really?
Its usually the same thief all the time.
I can understand the tagging if you want to go for bay or hills , but even when we just got our towers he keeps tagging

Last night the IRON thief took a break, and i thought i could finally stop scouting , but then a Viz thief came todo the same thing

I am one of the persons thats usually hanging around garrison , and the IRON thief really got me thinking.
I mean , how much fun can you have tagging a garrison every 3mins for like 4hrs a day? :S

I was doing it yesterday from 19:00 till 21:00. And i’m an ele.
Was quite funny that you needed 10 people orso to get me down. But hey i died due falling dmg! No repairs \0/.

Ya i noticed, first time i saw a ele do it.
I was that staff ele that was trying to catch you.
Which was near impossible because after the tag you went Mist Form and into the water
I hate water

Yeah i had a mesmer following me in the water when i started – VERY anoying guy with his confusion stacking…

You got me 2 times i think – 1 was well deserved (i didn’t even hit the gate QQ) other time i really kittened up (ran in with mistform wtf! :P).

But yeah I really thought I kitten you guys off a bit – since Opt. came chasing me with 5-10 players everytime when I just contested it quite early in the evening.