Guild Wars 2

For starters: this is basically a QQ thread. But I have to get it out soemhow and maybe I will be heared ^^

As has been made understood, many players have transfered to Vabbi and RoS. I have basically no problem with that. But atm it is impossible for FoW players to get a hold in WvW.

When u check the map, it seems that the dominant server (either Vabbi or RoS) tends to expand in direction of FoW territory (for easy victory and points). And after some time the other server does the same due to the fact, that the now defending server has longer ways to resupply defenses and did not have enough time or recourses to invest in defense there.

Now where does that leave FoW. Right now we are struggling. Being greatly outnumbered and only rarely on even numbers everywhere we go. Getting many unorganized and upleveled players against a wall of organized guild defense or attack. Many of the expereinced players have made a break from WvW or changed servers. Each time we try to hold on to a tower or a keep it gets eventually overrun by a huge zerg. And only in early daytime we don’t have to fight on one side RoS and on the other side Vabbi (being outnumbered by either one of them).

On the upside (personally) I enjoy the smaller fights with my little cute Asura Mesmer girl against the new players. While I was used to be able to take on 2 or 3 of RoS guys at the same time, I am now struggling against only one of the guys with the [WIC] tag (but I eventually got to get them a bit under control).

From the recruitment threads of RoS and Vabbi I see that the transferred guilds are looking for glory and to raise in ranks. I so suggest that those guilds keep their fights to themselves. Why not fight each other? When I see on the one side [Xaoc]-Vabbi and on the other side [Xaoc]-RoS attacking our already broken server, then I see that it is not about glory, it is about easy victory.

Well, I might take a break from WvW too. it’s painful to watch your achievements getting zerged over and over again.

WvW is great fun on FoW.

For about 10-15 minutes.

Then the zergs from Vabbi and Sumeria arrive and through what looks like co-operation just drives us through the ground.

There’s been no co-operation between Vabbi and RoS as far as I know, and it should be over as soon enough as either Vabbi/RoS move up a tier. Plus neither side are going to leave points like the FoW BL alone when it can increase their point income.

i will add my QQ here instead of make a new post.
first of all,my apologize for my poor english :p
its such a shame to see the death of wvsw pvp on many server like mine,BlackTide…
its so easy to move entire guild on low tier,desert server to make such big score….and they are proud too,like xaoc moved to Vabbi…oh thats so funny but where is the fight?there is none at all,congratz to be the first of a non fighting server.
Arenanet have to make the server transfert rly expensive and ppl should fight for their server and dont move for convenience….
im tired to fight alone with entire zerg of ppl,just joined the winning server to gain some more badges,shame on you!!

It’s no wonder wvw isn’t fun. It’s not true open world pvp, the maps are small and static and your team is fixed… WvW design if anything, shows that Anet lacks experience in the mmo field. They are still married with their outdated, instance based game design and that shows.

Too bad this game doesn’t have much else to offer. Spvp was much better and more interesting in guild wars 1, pve content is better in almost any other mmo.

What wvw needs is these two things:
-free for all
-friendly fire.
Until that it’s just the hellokitty version of mmos that have true open pvp.

Firs off I’ll like to apologies to Fow, RoS and Vabbi server ppl, (though i do know u’ll never forgive nor accept this apologies :’()
Our move to RoS and vabbi has hit hard on u guys, and yes it is us who are being selfish by moving to another server. No apologies is enough to make it up to either of the 3 server for our selfishness.

ANd About Vabbi-Xaoc and RoS-Xaoc working together. I can confirm you guys, that this is not the case. if your looking at the battle/fight, we nor Vabbi dont show mercy on each other at all ^-^b.

If you see a Xaoc in RoS it will probably highly be The Chaos International [Xaoc]
It’s the only Xaoc guild for the moment that has come to RoS with the Alliance. The reason for why we do not follow the other Xaoc is/was a guild matters.
The former members of Xaoc in RoS is now called ’’Banana And Cookies [BC] (curse the person who came up with that name <-<)

Personal, I’ll give my best to play for Surmia, and hopes that Surmia will/can accept us as we are

Dear Thief from Dark. When a RoS player in Bluelake/Vabbi BL salutes, moves to one side and then sits, it is a clear sign that he is not going to fight you as a mark of respect and sympathy for your current situation. Thanks to the others in your group who did not attack

It seems I’m not allowed to give my oppinion on some players, so I’ll respond again without “bypassing” the mature language filter…

I, being a long term RoS player, feel really sorry for FoW at this moment.
Both Surmia and Vabbi have had transfers, and this entire bottom tier is now screwed up because of it.
If it makes you feel better, I and many others have not touched any FoW players or went into their BL since the reset because it just doesn’t feel right. It might feel like Vabbi and RoS are working together because right now, both RoS and Vabbi have so many players that it’s easy to spare a few into FoW BL to cap stuff there, while still fighting eachother in pretty much every place possible. But it’s not like that, I’ve been playing in EB, RoS BL and Vabbi BL exclusively and there are so many fights over there is almost unrealistic. Small scale fights still happen but the sheer size of both server’s zergs is frightening.
I personally haven’t seen any Xaoc members on RoS except for a few spies who show up at an objective right before the Vabbi Xaoc zerg comes in. Come to think of it… That might be because I haven’t been to FoW BL yet and there is indeed a Xaoc guild on RoS only focussing on you because they’re allied with the Xaoc on Vabbi, if this is the case then I’m truly sorry, these guys are massive kittens.
The real problem is, right now RoS are pushing Vabbi and during the night, when we lack numbers the xaoc zergs take over nearly everything again. If this keeps going it will take a long time for either server to move up. There are 2 topics in this forum about the recruitment to either server, go there and show them they’re not welcome in the way they are doing it right now. I’m not one to reject incoming transfers and would love to have some more WvW focussed people on my server but these numbers are getting out of hand.
Sincerely, a RoS player who likes fair competition more then numbers based score board points.

All the tiers are messed up. I think the best idea I heard all day was going from 8 tiers to 4 with a constant rotation. More people and better coverage. however, good luck logging in to fight the invisable army.

I really don’t know what would fix this mess, but it needs fixing quick. SPvP is already a train wreck. I would hate to see WvWvW die out too. It seems to be heading that way though. Sad. I spent a lot of time playing WvW too, but not any more.

WvW for FoW is dead. RIP. Think its about time to move servers or quit GW2 altogether.

TyPin.9860:

From the recruitment threads of RoS and Vabbi I see that the transferred guilds are looking for glory and to raise in ranks.

Not really, I mean we on RoS as said in the meeting today with other RoS guilds, we put our challenge in build up a WvWvW community with the native guilds on the server and with the new ones, as we know that on the other servers other guilds has suffered or are suffering the ruin of their WvWvW game due the unbalanced number between the two kind of players PvE and WvW. But we are not intereste to get any tiers if not the tier where we will find a balance between our an enemy forces. About the guyz who splitted from us and actually on Vabbi you should ask them.

TyPin.9860:

I so suggest that those guilds keep their fights to themselves. Why not fight each other? When I see on the one side [Xaoc]-Vabbi and on the other side [Xaoc]-RoS attacking our already broken server, then I see that it is not about glory, it is about easy victory..

Normally from our side, it happens. Unfortunately in this time there’s a war between Xaoc and us on RoS, since we don’t have a night coverage to face them when they play, they climb points easy without find a big resistence in their hours, for this reason they take the distance on the points.
The points that we get back retaking our targets and their, are not enough to overcome them and btw we couldn’t leave your camps/tower/keeps under their controll, unfortunately it’s the war and a mechanic of the game.
A lot of time we faced two servers, I did it when I started to play on Surmia, I did it again on Blacktide I don’t know how many times, but it’s the war in WvWvW.
We hope to leave this tier asap, then you will get back balance fight, also if I have to be honest, I remember here on this tier with the old alliance DEYS some fight not really balanced and there wasn’t any transfer in that time.

It is not about the keeps and towers u attack, that are in the hand of the other strong server in the FoW borderlands. Although this is also a pain to see on the map. It is more about FoW Fortifications and camps being overrun by a Vabbi Zerg with 15+ players. We then take it back with up to max. 10 ppl (from over all 20 FoW ppl actively playing WvW at prime time on all maps together) and then it is overrun by a RoS Zerg with 15+ ppl again.

I fear, with both servers competing that much, that we will have this matchup for quite a long time. I will still play some WvW, to fulfill my daily achievement. But it’ll be a pain in the kitten . I hope for better times to come. Until then we’ll try to hold at least the main towers and garrison at our borderlands.

And if u see the next time a FoW Mesmer, u can only get rid of with 4 ppl and a fully upgraded camp in ur back, then it is most likely my little cute crazy Si Lly. At least we’re getting some practice in ambushing unprepared groups and some backlining (intercepting supply caravans and taking camps).

Sincerely,

your FoW guild Ambigram [NOON]

Just so yoy know, it’s ros wiping the keep upgrades for you on hills and bay :p

Just so u know: Revenge is a dish best served cold (although it may take us some time to avenge our fallen comrades and structures^^)

Or as my character always says:
“You’re dumb and you’ll leave a dumb corpse” :P

I have to agree that it takes fun away from the game to have to face 2 Servers that had lots of Pro WvW guilds moving to them while our server played more casual WvW on a smaller scale. At the moment, upgrading anything at all on FoW is pretty pointless as we will lose it straight away when one of the 2 zergs show up. The best thing we can do for now is create hit and run attacks, where an large group hits an more or less unprepared tower/keep (while the other servers are fighting each other at an other place on the map) or retake the borderlands when the zergs move on.
However it is important to stay together as WvW group on FoW. If you don’t like it for the moment, please go do some other modes of the game, and come back when vabbi/RoS move up in the rankings. Don’t leave the server like last time, during the first few weeks of the 1 week battles when lots of WvW interested players/ guilds moved servers because of similar problems. This kept us down until around x-mas when we got lots of new players in and started to do better in WvW. However most of these players are still learning (fast) and are not lv80 yet let allone have full exotic gear. Therefore it is hardly a fair fight against Pro WvW players that have been around for some time are lv80, and usually do have good gear and are well organized. On the other hand, i have seen some rather interesting methods that RoS and or Vabbi used to take back towers/keeps. So we can also learn from it.
However the biggest problem is that since RoS and Vabbi are fighting each other, it will take a long time with current scoring systems before they move up in rank.

THAT is gonna be the main problem for us in FoW. We can handle this mess for a week or two, but then they really should move up, or our whole WvW community that was just recovering will probably move servers again as it is just not fun to face this for any longer time. Therefore i also propose again that Arena Net manually adjusts WvW scorings so that servers like RoS and Vabbi that have an large increase in WvW play move up faster in the rankings, so any server that has to face such an server and is totally overpowered by them only has to deal with this for 1 week (which your WvW community can overcome) instead of many weeks which crushes casual WvW play. Also for the Stronger servers it is better that they face even opponents as soon as possible to give them a challenge

For now my follow FoW players, please endure and stay with us.

Vin Lady Venture, Commander of “The rising falcons[RiFa]”

Ambigram will stay loyal to FoW and will grow (hopefully).

As a Far Shiverpeaks player and author of the “A Server’s Story” thread, I can fully empathise with the OP’s situation.

Personally, I am totally bemused by what the server-hopping guilds think they will achieve by moving down to lower tiers, taking a server into the top tier only to be frustrated by Vizunah Square’s superior strategy, tactics and organisation so that they start looking for scapegoats (Usually blaming the server for being too PVE focussed and not “hardcore” WvW), then move to yet another server, leaving the previous server faced with the long, painful descent back down the tiers, which Far Shiverpeaks was probably the first to have to deal with in the EU Tiers.

Taking the bottom 2 servers to the top Tier, only to leave them stranded when you can’t beat Vizunah Square is not the answer, it is painful for the servers that get hammered on the way up and it is heartbreaking when the server hoppers leave and the server plummets back down, as each server hammered on the way up takes it’s opportunity to inflict revenge with interest on the way back down.

One day, server loyalty will mean something and have some value. Those of us on Far Shiverpeaks who have been through it all now appreciate the value of server loyalty and count ourselves very fortunate.

Although RoS was never up high, RoS was the first to be hit by the “server transfers”.
Guild such as BOON and VotF, HB, etc.. started off at RoS first but because we didn’t have night time activity and the early rising time of vabbi russians, they transfered away, to Vabbi no less, after which they transfered from there.

But RoS was the first to be hit right at the beginning of the week long matchups.

It’s ironic that RoS fares better than Vabbi now even though both were hit with server transfers and RoS back then was practically empty.

Sorry your lands where taken in a war that was not yours, your server indeed suffers some sort of collateral damage.
As an ex-Blacktide player I know it’s very frustrating and not fun to be overwhelmed by two other servers, but alas, the game works this way.
In any case please believe that there’s no cooperation between Vabbi and RoS at all.
Now you can wait until the next matchup to see how the situation will evolve, continue to fight with honour for your server or maybe join one side or the other.
Good luck.

KensaiZen.3740:

WvW for FoW is dead. RIP. Think its about time to move servers or quit GW2 altogether.

if u guys get tired,believe me i feel u.For weeks we’ve been third now, but still holding quite well, but now we are outmanned very often sometimes our force of 20 has to fight a zerg of 40 on 1 side and a zerg of 15 on the other, but we don’t wanna give up and sometimes we manage to push back very hard. Don’t give up, but if u like wvw but the server becomes unbearable come join us in FA, we like people with skill and dedication. :-)

To all FoW players:

Do not make a drama out of this mess, it is not that bad, we never played on even numbers, we had even worst ratio in the past; nevertheless the core players of FoW never gave up and they surely shall not give up now.

selan.8354:

KensaiZen.3740:

WvW for FoW is dead. RIP. Think its about time to move servers or quit GW2 altogether.

if u guys get tired,believe me i feel u.For weeks we’ve been third now, but still holding quite well, but now we are outmanned very often sometimes our force of 20 has to fight a zerg of 40 on 1 side and a zerg of 15 on the other, but we don’t wanna give up and sometimes we manage to push back very hard. Don’t give up, but if u like wvw but the server becomes unbearable come join us in FA, we like people with skill and dedication. :-)

Many of FoW players do not really bother about winning against overwhelming forces, do not really bother about being part of a “zerging” “winning” “numbers” server.
As sad it may look, leaving FoW would be the ultimate defeat. Joining other servers will make any “victory” tasteless..

Just 1 word while i am here, please refrain yourself from recruiting people from FoW, and if you need to do it then do not address your recruitiment to a particular server but leave that “field” open, thanks.

FoW will have its moment of Glory (an hard earned one)

Ivano.2604:

FoW will have its moment of Glory (an hard earned one)

And it will be magnificent!

TyPin.9860:

Ivano.2604:

FoW will have its moment of Glory (an hard earned one)

And it will be magnificent!

I felt exactly the same when RoS moved up in tiers after fighting so hard for so long, we got kicked back instantly.
We were used to fighting outnumbered and I often wished we had some guild moving in to help us, now it has happened and it doesn’t feel glorious at all.
Not yet atleast, not against FoW. Maybe it does feel right to kick that Vabbi alliance back to blacktide but currently, in this machup, ballance is hard to find.

I hope you will achieve what you want, I hope this tier will stabilize. I hope you’ll find an enemy with the same numbers to have some good fights and fair competition.
Never give up.