Guild Wars 2

Server A goes to sleep. Server B wakes up and starts capping the map. Then server B goes to sleep.

Server A wakes up and freaks out. “OMG they capped every thing! … Sigh. Let’s cap it all back.” Then Server A goes to sleep again.

Server B wakes up and freaks out. “OMG they capped every thing! … Sigh. Let’s cap it all back.” Then Server B goes to sleep again.

Server A wakes up and freaks out. “OMG they capped every thing! … Let’s write tickets about this and post on the forums about this unfair advantage.” Then proceeding to cap every thing back before going to sleep.

Server B wakes up and freaks out. “OMG they capped every thing! … Let’s write tickets about this and post on the forums about this unfair advantage.” Then proceeding to cap every thing back before going to sleep.

Starting to see a pattern here? Your night is their day and their night is your day. This happens in a 24/7 persistent battleground. You just have to live with it. It is apart of the experience.

The problem is that some servers have a huge population that is night for the other, and about the same amount at the peak time for the other server. This allows them to cap everything at night and then hold off the server during the day. Anything they did not manage to hold then gets capped easily. You don’t seem to understand the issue. If it were as you said the fixes would be much easier.

No, it is not like that in EU.
I don’t want to whine, since now Im kinda ok with it, but just to explain:
Server A and B have same primetime, and fight each other,both win some and lose some.Then at 2-3AM server B goes to sleep, but server A still has an active group of players. They cap everything and go to sleep.
Next day server B has to take back everything that was taken last night, but they meet opposition fro server A since their prime time is the same. So server B can not capture whole map (don’t forget we have server C here too, which does want his pice of the pie).
But whatever B and C have done during their daytime will get destroyed by server’s A night krew.
That is how it works, and that is why it is concidered a problem.

Sinoby.8945:

No, it is not like that in EU.
I don’t want to whine, since now Im kinda ok with it, but just to explain:
Server A and B have same primetime, and fight each other,both win some and lose some.Then at 2-3AM server B goes to sleep, but server A still has an active group of players. They cap everything and go to sleep.
Next day server B has to take back everything that was taken last night, but they meet opposition fro server A since their prime time is the same. So server B can not capture whole map (don’t forget we have server C here too, which does want his pice of the pie).
But whatever B and C have done during their daytime will get destroyed by server’s A night krew.
That is how it works, and that is why it is concidered a problem.

Guess which server should be ranked higher….

Think about it, they are even during peak hours, and one is significantly better during off peak hours. That server will move up, the others will move down and the matchmaking will choose new matchups the next week. It is going to take a couple of iterations of week-long matches to get things right.

This seems to only affect low-pop battles. Not the bigger servers. So if they night cap, I’ll stop playing.

DemonCow, the issue is at least for US there are 4 servers like A, so the top three get matched together, then fourth A type server gets matched against two C servers.

TheAltarBoy.3176:

DemonCow, the issue is at least for US there are 4 servers like A, so the top three get matched together, then fourth A type server gets matched against two C servers.

Name them.

Heres the problem, if you implement a solution then you penalize night time players. Its like how crappy Aion abyss was for night timers because the keeps were only seige-able during prime time hours. You could reduce the amount of points gained to shorten the gap, but in the same instance the oposing side captures areas for the same reduced points.

Wars arent won by numbers, they are won with tactics. Last night our 8 man crew rolled a GoM zerg trying to take the second door out on one of the side keeps (cant remember the names of keeps atm). We snuck in behind them and took them by surprise.

So the top ranked servers realised early on that 24×7 battles mean they will need a night crew and they went out of their way to recruit. Now a bunch of lower ranked servers complain about how its so unfair.

What exactly is stopping other servers from trying to recruit a night crew? If you want to be competitive at the top level (in anything) then you have to put some effort in, not simply whinge when someone else is doing better than you.

And no, I’m not on one of the top tier servers.

this thread fails and show people trying to dictate policy who dont know nay better should be perma banned from PvP altogether.

There are 3 servers per battle group, so if only A and B are even relevant then the system is already failing.

It also has to do with score and time dominating. Scores can look relatively close. but when theyre tabulated every 15 minutes and a lot of servers take point gains right before the timer goes off it isnt in the spirit of how the game is set up it just walks a fine line. If a server holds a spot for 14 minutes and some other server zergs it and turns it with 5 seconds to go THAT server gets the points, so they basically had it for 3 seconds, out of 15 minutes, and they got the points. Epically bad system. Do that every score tally and you skew the points massively over a period of hours.

The whole place is an epic failure and the only people who think it is OK or good or decent are failures at actual PvP on any level.

The rewards in their are garbage, the enjoyment factor is next to nothing, and even though it is basically the only thing people can do once theyre 80 to pass the time besides run alts, I suspect within a couple more weeks it will see a drastic down turn. I suspect it already has on some levels, but so many transfers happened they might be the blame for now. But as it becomes more and more obvious fewer people are bothering to go in there (only Anet wil have those numbers) things will change. Not ot mention the sheer costs. Upgrades are outrageous, and repair bills are insane. I know a lot of people dont bother with upgrades or buying anything they just look for other people to do it, but once those people get tired of doing it then everyone gets hurt, and the cheap skates sure as hell wont spend any money.

The hype factor has already crashed and burned already as people have become disillusioned with the so called vision these guys described the WvW experience as being.

Night-capping will never be fair when the only factor that determines if a faction can control 100% of the map is “numbers”, as long as their is no balance to the balance around the hour more and more people will don’t care about this pointless pvp, when GW2 was released it was constantly under the top3 streamed games, now it is not even under the top10 beeing even beaten by pandaland.
I haven’t logged in for days now because of the broken WvW, that’s what got me interested in GW2 and it’s realy sad how the developers don’t give kitten about what’s happening in WvW and don’t seem to indend to implent any form of restrictions to playernumbers based on the numbers the other 2 servers can field.

Azure Prower, I don’t know if you’re trolling now or you’re just displaying an utterly incredible level of ignorance here…

A server has a peak time, it’s got nothing to do with where you live or where the person lives on the opposite side of the world. It’s the server time. The vast majority of that servers playerbase will reside within timezones very close to this so that server peak time is very applicable to them.

This means that 100% pop caps in each borderland for each server will occur come that server’s peak time. Due to this, very little is achieved during peak hours in WvW, a keep or two changes back and forth, a few supply camps here and there.

Now comes the night and early morning, that vast majority that makes up the servers playerbase are now tucked up in bed… the few are left to WvW. Whether that be someone in server’s timezone or there abouts pulling an all nighter or someone on the opposite side of the globe logging on because they just got home from work is immaterial.

However you’re now in a situation where population matters greatly and that most likely one server of the three will be fielding a much greater population than the others. Now an awful lot is achieved very quickly. No longer just a keep or two changing hands, entire borderlands start getting capped and locked down.

So in your original scenario where ‘server b’ logs on to say ‘omg lets get it all back’. This is where it breaks down entirely. Here is why. When that one server full capped during the night and held all of the borderlands for hours, they amassed an almighty lead in points. When ‘server b’ (see: the peak time users) login and the pop caps return to full, they’re now back in the position where very little can be achieved and that epic point lead simply can not be closed.

There is no cycle, there is merely WvW being a representation of whom has the largest night time force, as that is what has the most impact on the outcome. Those who play at the busiest times in the peak hours are merely fighting for meaningless scraps.

Xonal.5426:

Azure Prower, I don’t know if you’re trolling now or you’re just displaying an utterly incredible level of ignorance here…

A server has a peak time, it’s got nothing to do with where you live or where the person lives on the opposite side of the world. It’s the server time. The vast majority of that servers playerbase will reside within timezones very close to this so that server peak time is very applicable to them.

This means that 100% pop caps in each borderland for each server will occur come that server’s peak time. Due to this, very little is achieved during peak hours in WvW, a keep or two changes back and forth, a few supply camps here and there.

Now comes the night and early morning, that vast majority that makes up the servers playerbase are now tucked up in bed… the few are left to WvW. Whether that be someone in server’s timezone or there abouts pulling an all nighter or someone on the opposite side of the globe logging on because they just got home from work is immaterial.

However you’re now in a situation where population matters greatly and that most likely one server of the three will be fielding a much greater population than the others. Now an awful lot is achieved very quickly. No longer just a keep or two changing hands, entire borderlands start getting capped and locked down.

So in your original scenario where ‘server b’ logs on to say ‘omg lets get it all back’. This is where it breaks down entirely. Here is why. When that one server full capped during the night and held all of the borderlands for hours, they amassed an almighty lead in points. When ‘server b’ (see: the peak time users) login and the pop caps return to full, they’re now back in the position where very little can be achieved and that epic point lead simply can not be closed.

There is no cycle, there is merely WvW being a representation of whom has the largest night time force, as that is what has the most impact on the outcome. Those who play at the busiest times in the peak hours are merely fighting for meaningless scraps.

can we just get this reply stickied as the first reply to any post like this?

as someone who has pretty much already won for the week, but still has fun on peak hours, it horrifies me to think of what life is going to be like next tuesday when our good night crew meats up with a top 5 server.

Our good night crew puts up about 30k a night. which is a low number, but is what still pretty much guarantees us a victory this week.

Xonal.5426:

So in your original scenario where ‘server b’ logs on to say ‘omg lets get it all back’. This is where it breaks down entirely. Here is why. When that one server full capped during the night and held all of the borderlands for hours, they amassed an almighty lead in points. When ‘server b’ (see: the peak time users) login and the pop caps return to full, they’re now back in the position where very little can be achieved and that epic point lead simply can not be closed.

Servers with balanced (day and night) crews will rise to the top of the rankings and end up consistently fighting each other. Servers with unbalanced crews will also end up fighting each other consistently. The ranking system will iron out the supposed unfairness, there is no need for ANet to implement arbitrary limitations on play.

What many people seem to ignore is that the top tier servers actively recruited guilds to balance their team. They put the effort in and are now reaping the rewards. There is nothing stopping other servers from doing the same.

Tzash.5748:

Xonal.5426:

So in your original scenario where ‘server b’ logs on to say ‘omg lets get it all back’. This is where it breaks down entirely. Here is why. When that one server full capped during the night and held all of the borderlands for hours, they amassed an almighty lead in points. When ‘server b’ (see: the peak time users) login and the pop caps return to full, they’re now back in the position where very little can be achieved and that epic point lead simply can not be closed.

Servers with balanced (day and night) crews will rise to the top of the rankings and end up consistently fighting each other. Servers with unbalanced crews will also end up fighting each other consistently. The ranking system will iron out the supposed unfairness, there is no need for ANet to implement arbitrary limitations on play.

What many people seem to ignore is that the top tier servers actively recruited guilds to balance their team. They put the effort in and are now reaping the rewards. There is nothing stopping other servers from doing the same.

Only this hasn’t happened. Come off peak hours there is always one server that has more, they dominate, they set an impossible lead come the following days peak time.. you either guarantee 100% population caps in all borderlands 24/7 (not possible) or you accept that some other measure needs to be in place to ensure that smaller groups operating without impunity in the early hours don’t decide the outcome for the vast majority who are unfortunate enough to be playing at peak time.

A mere point income rate adjustment based upon population levels would be a big step towards this. If the borderlands only get a 20% population come the early hours then it should only get a 20% point income until it fills up; it represents the playerbase so it’s fair. But note: this doesn’t address that even with that in place, for 2 out of 3 servers come morning they will face an initial uphill struggle against the one that full capped/upgraded and littered siege equipment everywhere.

To the original poster I <3 u

to the rest of the whingers, why do people need to be so greedy and selfish that they have to have all the buffs in wvwvw all the time…. It IS ok to share you know?
How BORING would wvwvw if you had the full map all the time….

Xonal.5426:

Tzash.5748:

Xonal.5426:

So in your original scenario where ‘server b’ logs on to say ‘omg lets get it all back’. This is where it breaks down entirely. Here is why. When that one server full capped during the night and held all of the borderlands for hours, they amassed an almighty lead in points. When ‘server b’ (see: the peak time users) login and the pop caps return to full, they’re now back in the position where very little can be achieved and that epic point lead simply can not be closed.

Servers with balanced (day and night) crews will rise to the top of the rankings and end up consistently fighting each other. Servers with unbalanced crews will also end up fighting each other consistently. The ranking system will iron out the supposed unfairness, there is no need for ANet to implement arbitrary limitations on play.

What many people seem to ignore is that the top tier servers actively recruited guilds to balance their team. They put the effort in and are now reaping the rewards. There is nothing stopping other servers from doing the same.

Only this hasn’t happened. Come off peak hours there is always one server that has more, they dominate, they set an impossible lead come the following days peak time.. you either guarantee 100% population caps in all borderlands 24/7 (not possible) or you accept that some other measure needs to be in place to ensure that smaller groups operating without impunity in the early hours don’t decide the outcome for the vast majority who are unfortunate enough to be playing at peak time.

A mere point income rate adjustment based upon population levels would be a big step towards this. If the borderlands only get a 20% population come the early hours then it should only get a 20% point income until it fills up; it represents the playerbase so it’s fair. But note: this doesn’t address that even with that in place, for 2 out of 3 servers come morning they will face an initial uphill struggle against the one that full capped/upgraded and littered siege equipment everywhere.

Ranking systems don’t make things perfect overnight and the rampant server hopping isn’t helping things either. You need to wait for things to settle down before a clearer picture can be seen.

Putting in arbitrary limitations is just as unfair. Your suggestion basically tells the night time players that their efforts are worth less than prime timers.

And how do you address the situation where one server has a high pop borderlands at night but servers they face don’t. You penalise one server based on the weakness of another?

It really doesn’t. It tells the off peak time players that their efforts will be representative compared with the efforts of the peak time players.

It’s completely hypocritical to say the way it plays out now is fine, because you’re then telling the peak time players that their efforts are completely pointless as, with how it currently works in the current games design, the off peak players completely decide the outcome.

Xonal.5426:

It really doesn’t. It tells the off peak time players that their efforts will be representative compared with the efforts of the peak time players.

It’s completely hypocritical to say the way it plays out now is fine, because you’re then telling the peak time players that their efforts are completely pointless as, with how it currently works in the current games design, the off peak players completely decide the outcome.

What you are saying is that a 500v500v500 fight is worth more than a 100v100v100 fight. If a fight is even then the total number of combatants is irrelevant.

Also I’m not saying the way things are playing out right now are fine, I’m saying once the rankings settle in then it will be fine.

No, I’m saying that a 166v166v166 fight is worth more than a 100v40v20 fight, which is the sort of lopsided nonsense that decides the outcome in any match up, night after night after night.

I’m pretty sure people are confusing “night capping” with population issues.

There is no such thing as “night” in the international/global arena.

That is the whole point of my post. If you don’t know how to term some thing right. How do you expect Anet to understand what you are talking about?

Azure Prower.8701:

I’m pretty sure people are confusing “night capping” with population issues.

There is no such thing as “night” in the international/global arena.

Its semantics. Pretending not to understand the basis for the term is actually laughable and discredits your integrity.

The whole thing about people upset about other people playing a different time zone than them baffles me.

If you don’t have enough on during the off-peak hours. Then it is a population issue.

Azure Prower.8701:

The whole thing about people upset about other people playing a different time zone than them baffles me.

If you don’t have enough on during the off-peak hours. Then it is a population issue.

I don’t think you get it. People aren’t upset about other people playing in a different time zone.
They are upset that the matches are completely decided by whether you have people playing in the other time zone. As in, if you play in the U.S and you have no Oceanic population or very little (ya with me so far?) and you are matched against a server with a large oceanic population you automatically lose. Coordination? non-factor. Strategy? non-factor. Pvp skill? non-factor.

Starting to understand why people are upset and why tons of people are transferring to the 24/7 servers?
Auto-loss is not fun.

I play on an unofficial oceanic server. We have little to no NA presence. We usually get owned during your “day” and lose every thing. It happens. Still don’t see the problem. Nor see the need to complain about it.

Azure Prower.8701:

I play on an unofficial oceanic server. We usually get owned during your “day” and lose every thing. It happens. Still don’t see the problem. Nor see the need to complain about it.

North American time zoners are FAR more distributed across servers than oceanics..

Comparison is deeply flawed. The status quo benefits you. We get it. Nothing else to see here.

Roland Falantyr.3290:

Azure Prower.8701:

I play on an unofficial oceanic server. We usually get owned during your “day” and lose every thing. It happens. Still don’t see the problem. Nor see the need to complain about it.

North American time zoners are FAR more distributed across servers than oceanics..

Comparison is deeply flawed. The status quo benefits you. We get it. Nothing else to see here.

http://i.imgur.com/X6WXb.jpg

Guess which color we are.

Sinoby.8945:

No, it is not like that in EU.
I don’t want to whine, since now Im kinda ok with it, but just to explain:
Server A and B have same primetime, and fight each other,both win some and lose some.Then at 2-3AM server B goes to sleep, but server A still has an active group of players. They cap everything and go to sleep.
Next day server B has to take back everything that was taken last night, but they meet opposition fro server A since their prime time is the same. So server B can not capture whole map (don’t forget we have server C here too, which does want his pice of the pie).
But whatever B and C have done during their daytime will get destroyed by server’s A night krew.
That is how it works, and that is why it is concidered a problem.

Seems to work as intended, how is this considered a problem?

Once servers a ranked the issue pretty much goes away. Those with active off-peak players AND strong peak play will rank high and be pitted against each other. You won’t see as much capping of everything then.

Roland Falantyr.3290:

Another poster doesn’t understand the night capping issue. Can’t be surprised since ANET doesn’t either.

there is no issue. just you’ve got your blinkers on and don’t like people playing an mmo when you’re not online.

A server can never be top no matter how skilled or good players they’ve got if they don’t have a night presence. That’s what makes some people salty, the fact that their skills and their activity gets no credit at all.

“Move to a better 24h covered server” Yeah, sure.

Hrist.8972:

“Move to a better 24h covered server” Yeah, sure.

The top US servers didn’t adopt that attitude, they went and recruited guilds to cover 24hrs.

If you run around with a glass is half empty attitude then you will almost always lose to people with the half full attitude.

Tzash.5748:

Hrist.8972:

“Move to a better 24h covered server” Yeah, sure.

The top US servers didn’t adopt that attitude, they went and recruited guilds to cover 24hrs.

If you run around with a glass is half empty attitude then you will almost always lose to people with the half full attitude.

I’m not very charismatic person, could you tell me how I can persuade people to move to a full populated and 3rd in their match, to come over here to help? I don’t see it being realistically possible, for guilds interested in WvW to come make things right for us. So what am I left with?

Hrist.8972:

Tzash.5748:

Hrist.8972:

“Move to a better 24h covered server” Yeah, sure.

The top US servers didn’t adopt that attitude, they went and recruited guilds to cover 24hrs.

If you run around with a glass is half empty attitude then you will almost always lose to people with the half full attitude.

I’m not very charismatic person, could you tell me how I can persuade people to move to a full populated and 3rd in their match, to come over here to help? I don’t see it being realistically possible, for guilds interested in WvW to come make things right for us. So what am I left with?

If you can’t get an off peak team then ultimately you will be matched against other servers that are in the same boat. That’s why there is a ranking system.

Tzash.5748:

Hrist.8972:

Tzash.5748:

Hrist.8972:

“Move to a better 24h covered server” Yeah, sure.

The top US servers didn’t adopt that attitude, they went and recruited guilds to cover 24hrs.

If you run around with a glass is half empty attitude then you will almost always lose to people with the half full attitude.

I’m not very charismatic person, could you tell me how I can persuade people to move to a full populated and 3rd in their match, to come over here to help? I don’t see it being realistically possible, for guilds interested in WvW to come make things right for us. So what am I left with?

If you can’t get an off peak team then ultimately you will be matched against other servers that are in the same boat. That’s why there is a ranking system.

So I’m left with moving to a top server, if I want to be on a top server.

DemonCow.5328:

Sinoby.8945:

No, it is not like that in EU.
I don’t want to whine, since now Im kinda ok with it, but just to explain:
Server A and B have same primetime, and fight each other,both win some and lose some.Then at 2-3AM server B goes to sleep, but server A still has an active group of players. They cap everything and go to sleep.
Next day server B has to take back everything that was taken last night, but they meet opposition fro server A since their prime time is the same. So server B can not capture whole map (don’t forget we have server C here too, which does want his pice of the pie).
But whatever B and C have done during their daytime will get destroyed by server’s A night krew.
That is how it works, and that is why it is concidered a problem.

Guess which server should be ranked higher….

Think about it, they are even during peak hours, and one is significantly better during off peak hours. That server will move up, the others will move down and the matchmaking will choose new matchups the next week. It is going to take a couple of iterations of week-long matches to get things right.

But what if Server A is ranked #1 and server B ranked #2 on the hall of fame / Ranking list ?
What happens then ?

Does server A Ranked #1 fight Server G ranked #8 who also have a nightcrew ?
Iam realy curious about that

Hrist.8972:

So I’m left with moving to a top server, if I want to be on a top server.

Why exactly do you feel the need to be on a top server? Not everyone can be the best, and the best server now won’t necessarily be the best server 6 months from now.

Tzash.5748:

Hrist.8972:

So I’m left with moving to a top server, if I want to be on a top server.

Why exactly do you feel the need to be on a top server? Not everyone can be the best, and the best server now won’t necessarily be the best server 6 months from now.

I like to fight with and against the best, it’s just more interesting in every possible way. I can’t have that soon unless I jump servers.

Hiya,

For what it’s worth….

The only solutions to server population disparities are:

1. Stop free server transfers and wait for server rankings to reflect server population;
2. Get 24/7 coverage on competing servers.

With possible assistance by making the out manned buff relevant to being out manned, not something totally unrelated.

Variable point ticks cannot work. All servers across all brackets need to have the exact same scoring system so their scores can be compared for rematching. If a higher bracket server has points increment reduced as they out man their opponents, servers in lower brackets will be mismatched by their higher score increments.

Any possible solution must keep scoring consistent for all servers in all current matches.

/end-tuppence-worth

Personal skill has very little to do with success in WvWvW. There’s the fact that organisational skill is much more important, there’s the night capping issue and there’s the issue of how willing people are to spend their money and how much money they even have. The server actually being good at the game doesn’t really figure into it. If you want a truly competitive arena, you’re sadly going to have to look somewhere else, at least for now.

Furry Fury.9036:

Variable point ticks cannot work. All servers across all brackets need to have the exact same scoring system so their scores can be compared for rematching. If a higher bracket server has points increment reduced as they out man their opponents, servers in lower brackets will be mismatched by their higher score increments.

This assumes that the scores themselves are being compared, not the proportions between the scores.

Hrist.8972:

Tzash.5748:

Hrist.8972:

So I’m left with moving to a top server, if I want to be on a top server.

Why exactly do you feel the need to be on a top server? Not everyone can be the best, and the best server now won’t necessarily be the best server 6 months from now.

I like to fight with and against the best, it’s just more interesting in every possible way. I can’t have that soon unless I jump servers.

That’s fair enough in a way, but lets say you move to a top server now and then later on it starts to drop in the rankings. Do you then go and move again? Wouldn’t it be more rewarding to do your bit to help a server climb in the rankings rather than jump on the bandwagon a join a server that has already achieved its position?

You also seem to have a perception that good pvp can only occur on the top servers. Personally I think that good pvp can and will occur anytime there is a balanced matchup.

Sarrs.4831:

Personal skill has very little to do with success in WvWvW. There’s the fact that organisational skill is much more important, there’s the night capping issue and there’s the issue of how willing people are to spend their money and how much money they even have. The server actually being good at the game doesn’t really figure into it. If you want a truly competitive arena, you’re sadly going to have to look somewhere else, at least for now.

“The server actually being good at the game doesn’t really figure into it.” I wasn’t necessarily talking about that? By good I mean: people that know what they’re doing, invest game currency and focus on getting their objective done.

Tzash.5748:

Hrist.8972:

Tzash.5748:

Hrist.8972:

So I’m left with moving to a top server, if I want to be on a top server.

Why exactly do you feel the need to be on a top server? Not everyone can be the best, and the best server now won’t necessarily be the best server 6 months from now.

I like to fight with and against the best, it’s just more interesting in every possible way. I can’t have that soon unless I jump servers.

That’s fair enough in a way, but lets say you move to a top server now and then later on it starts to drop in the rankings. Do you then go and move again? Wouldn’t it be more rewarding to do your bit to help a server climb in the rankings rather than jump on the bandwagon a join a server that has already achieved its position?

You also seem to have a perception that good pvp can only occur on the top servers. Personally I think that good pvp can and will occur anytime there is a balanced matchup.

It depends on the servers interest in WvW. As of now, I can feel very heavily how my server has absolutely no interest in WvW, even though we are matched against the top at the moment. So we will fall down and most likely matched against someone that’s more equal with us in terms of time diversity. Knowing that some of the most talented RvR people play on my opposing server right now, it’s kind of saddening I will most likely not be able to fight them again.

Sounds like you just want to find a server that’s more in tune with what you want out of the game. Go ahead and swap servers; it’s the most reasonable decision to make, and you’ll still get good competition. You could, alternatively, undertake the Herculean task that is changing your entire server’s WvWvW mentality.

Sarrs.4831:

Personal skill has very little to do with success in WvWvW. There’s the fact that organisational skill is much more important, there’s the night capping issue and there’s the issue of how willing people are to spend their money and how much money they even have. The server actually being good at the game doesn’t really figure into it. If you want a truly competitive arena, you’re sadly going to have to look somewhere else, at least for now.

Furry Fury.9036:

Variable point ticks cannot work. All servers across all brackets need to have the exact same scoring system so their scores can be compared for rematching. If a higher bracket server has points increment reduced as they out man their opponents, servers in lower brackets will be mismatched by their higher score increments.

This assumes that the scores themselves are being compared, not the proportions between the scores.

You assume I assume, I do not.

From GW2 Wiki:
Matching of Worlds

Worlds in WvW are matched up based on their ranking using a modified Glicko rating,⁴ so that high-ranked worlds will battle other high-ranked worlds, and low-ranked worlds will battle other low-ranked worlds. This attempts to ensure that every world has a fair chance of winning matches despite differing levels of player participation or skill.⁵

Edit: even so, any statistical approach is skewed too much during the free transfer period.

we have players on the EU servers from other timezones. they joined on purpose to abuse this issue. they can recap everything at night while the majority is sleeping and during the primetime when they sleep the normal playerbase of the server will defend their work.

CptCosmic.3156:

we have players on the EU servers from other timezones. they joined on purpose to abuse this issue. they can recap everything at night while the majority is sleeping and during the primetime when they sleep the normal playerbase of the server will defend their work.

How dare people WvWvW when you are asleep!

Seriously, do you not understand that 24×7 battlegrounds means that this a perfectly valid tactic? It is not abusing anything. If your server cannot or will not form your own night crew then the ranking system will eventually pit you against other servers that also share your weaknesses.

Tzash.5748:

CptCosmic.3156:

we have players on the EU servers from other timezones. they joined on purpose to abuse this issue. they can recap everything at night while the majority is sleeping and during the primetime when they sleep the normal playerbase of the server will defend their work.

How dare people WvWvW when you are asleep!

Seriously, do you not understand that 24×7 battlegrounds means that this a perfectly valid tactic? It is not abusing anything. If your server cannot or will not form your own night crew then the ranking system will eventually pit you against other servers that also share your weaknesses.

Why can’t it be done already? I think it’s pretty obvious from current scorings that some servers shouldn’t be together.

Hrist.8972:

Tzash.5748:

CptCosmic.3156:

we have players on the EU servers from other timezones. they joined on purpose to abuse this issue. they can recap everything at night while the majority is sleeping and during the primetime when they sleep the normal playerbase of the server will defend their work.

How dare people WvWvW when you are asleep!

Seriously, do you not understand that 24×7 battlegrounds means that this a perfectly valid tactic? It is not abusing anything. If your server cannot or will not form your own night crew then the ranking system will eventually pit you against other servers that also share your weaknesses.

Why can’t it be done already? I think it’s pretty obvious from current scorings that some servers shouldn’t be together.

Because this round hasn’t finished yet? Each matchup now runs for 7 days, at the end of 7 days everything resets and you get a new match. They aren’t going to prematurely end a round just because some servers are getting hammered.

Just be patient.

Hrist.8972:

Tzash.5748:

CptCosmic.3156:

we have players on the EU servers from other timezones. they joined on purpose to abuse this issue. they can recap everything at night while the majority is sleeping and during the primetime when they sleep the normal playerbase of the server will defend their work.

How dare people WvWvW when you are asleep!

Seriously, do you not understand that 24×7 battlegrounds means that this a perfectly valid tactic? It is not abusing anything. If your server cannot or will not form your own night crew then the ranking system will eventually pit you against other servers that also share your weaknesses.

Why can’t it be done already? I think it’s pretty obvious from current scorings that some servers shouldn’t be together.

The method that ANet is using to determine matches takes months to even out. That process can’t really start while transfers are so easy, as by the time the scores are considered the population has (probably) changed.

Some people are not going to wait for months to have fun. I’m not talking about myself here, I can have fun everytime I log-in and jump to WvW, but others don’t have the same mindset. Unfortunate, for them.