Guild Wars 2

1. Gather
2. Gather everyone reallll close!
3. Stack
4. Spam target nearest enemy
5. Spam your attacks!

Is this considered good tactics? What happened to actually fighting? What is even funnier is once you figure out the gimmick, it is easily defeated and sent packing. Is this what you folks fought so hard to get into a high tier for? I totally love the portal bombing, but the stacking thing is just terrible tactics.

If you truly want this be answered then you should give the solution on fighting this gimmick too….

I don’t want it answered. I think its silly, but yes, confusion bombs destroy. Guardian sanctuary destroys it. Hopefully this will help those of you having any trouble.

So basically, as with many things in this game it seems, you have to be a mesmer or a guardian. Sucks for the rest of us.

sceptus.9415:

1. Gather
2. Gather everyone reallll close!
3. Stack
4. Spam target nearest enemy
5. Spam your attacks!

Is this considered good tactics? What happened to actually fighting? What is even funnier is once you figure out the gimmick, it is easily defeated and sent packing. Is this what you folks fought so hard to get into a high tier for? I totally love the portal bombing, but the stacking thing is just terrible tactics.

Indeed…I honestly think this ruins wvwvw fun,its nothing but portal bombing with invisi zergs,stack with 50 ppl on each other to kill 10 people..whohoo we’re so awesome !

One of the main points of WvW is to have large groups of people fighting other large groups of people. Yes, it can be a mindless zerg, but that mindless zerg is often led by a commander who leads a large group of people to strategic advancement through strategic capturing of camps, towers, and keeps, most of which is only possible in large groups, often focusing at one task at a time. Portals work as intended as well.
This is a large part of WvW, this is how it was intended to work. If you don’t like this, then I suggest finding other ways to pass your time.

Brannoncyll.1978:

So basically, as with many things in this game it seems, you have to be a mesmer or a guardian. Sucks for the rest of us.

Um, not at all? Most people who aren’t playing mesmer and guardian (ex: me) seem to be having a fun time in WvW. Sure, it seems like it’s impossible at first, but through getting better with practice, it’s not hard to efficiently take part in WvW.

Judging by how your borderland has been all night. Its a decent tactic

Plus if you think we are just stacking and spamming attacks your not understanding what we are doing.

Its really not rocket science. You folks could have just overpowered us by force so many times tonight. I can’t understand why you think that is even fun?

@Folie – exactly my point. WvW is designed for big groups to FIGHT. I’m pretty sure the designers didn’t intend 30-50 players stand in one big clump for 20 mins without moving five feet. There is nothing “tactical” about it. It is simply a way around the intended game mechanics. Honestly – this tactic makes the game 100% less fun for people who actually want to have COMBAT. If you don’t like THAT, perhaps you should go play something else?

spartanx.1364:

Judging by how your borderland has been all night. Its a decent tactic

Its not a decent tactic – that is just an attempt to socially justify it. You folks already outnumber us by a good amount. Or at least have even numbers. Are you afraid to fight as the game was intended or do you just need this silly broken game mechanic to assure a victory? I’ve seen guilds on TC do it too, but I still think its stupid and honestly just not fun.

Finally, this isn’t about losing. Kick our butts! We love a good fight. I think TC has proven that time and again. I’m not kittening about you winning, I’m kittening because it isn’t FUN to play the game right now.

Explain to me why excellent guilds are leaving this game? The ones in the top tiers even? WM.. Unlimited on FA.. Because this stuff is broken and NOT fun.

Out Numbered? We had less than 25 people in our stacks in fact our lower numbers are why we are doing it. Broken Game mechanic? Stacking, Retaliation, confusion, might, and feedback through out a group is a broken mechanic?

spartanx.1364:

Out Numbered? We had less than 25 people in our stacks in fact our lower numbers are why we are doing it. Broken Game mechanic? Stacking, Retaliation, confusion, might, and feedback through out a group is a broken mechanic?

It is broken. Trust me. I’ll be surprised if it isn’t patched soon. The main problem is the limit of AoE and 5 players. You know as well as I do how the mechanic works. Now flip some of the abilities you mentioned above around. And yes, you did outnumber us by quite a large margin on some of those fights. You could have just as easily just bum-rushed us and taken the keeps/towers. This is what I don’t understand. Don’t you want to FIGHT for it? Is winning worth standing still for 20 minutes?

We fight like we have 50 and you guys die like we have 50 but at not point tonight have we had 50 in stack except at the begging of the night when we originally took your garrison.

I dont see how you think its a stupid tactic though. Was it a stupid tactic for the ancient Greeks to put their shields together to make an impenetrable phalanx?

spartanx.1364:

We fight like we have 50 and you guys die like we have 50 but at not point tonight have we had 50 in stack except at the begging of the night when we originally took your garrison.

I dont see how you think its a stupid tactic though. Was it a stupid tactic for the ancient Greeks to put their shields together to make an impenetrable phalanx?

Yes, actually, because the Greeks weren’t blocking shots from giant siege engines, and fires burning all around them from explosions and spells. A phalanx protected them from arrows. The Greeks also didn’t stand still letting hell rain down on them for long periods of time.

I would say its worth it. And I am truly being honest as I can we where not rolling that deep. We would out number yall at times but not a majority of the fights by any means. and yes our heals and buff only spread to 5 people as well so I dont see the point your trying to make there. Also those 20 minutes are long enough for us to hold the point tick and allow other groups to defend and take keeps. How many times did you find your self stuck trying to break a turtle and notice that we took a tower from you or bg during the fight? Cause we did that several times.

Its the same concept though. We are hardening our selves to your attack.

But lets not get personable about it. Lets discuss the tactic because this is very interesting.

The funny part is we started turtling to counter portal bombs. more of a defensive move. Now at least in our match up its becoming more offensive.

First let me say, I have nothing but HUGE respect for your guild. Choo. You guys have fantastic tactics. Please don’t take what I’m saying personally. There is clearly a high level of cooperation in your guild.

The problem is that these tactics are not a FUN way for your opponents to face you. These type of things do matter to TC players. We will take our kitten beating and come out for more. That’s not a problem. My point is this clumping thing is just dumb. It isn’t even close to a realistic comparison of warfare tactics, especially with the firepower that exists in this game. In reality, those Greeks (you) would be blow to bits. We worked pretty hard to get into this tier, and we have faced these tactics before, but still, it isn’t a fun way to fight. Your opponents will grow bored, he’ll even your own members will grow bored.

1. portal bomb
2. mass golums
3. mass OMEGA golums
4. mass zerglings
5. all of the above

and then you have a tatic for the disabled few…fly hack.

TY for the compliment. We will try and find a more fun way for you to face us in the future.
As far as honorable goes. I really dont know, I dont think its less honorable. Do you feel portal bombing is dis honorable?

Honorable was the wrong word. I changed my post after I read it. It’s about the fun. No I don’t have a problem with portal bombs. Technically, the number of players should be smaller, but I don’t consider it to be game changing. On the other hand, there are a lot of people that think they should be removed. Who knows? I just know that the clumps we fought tonight weren’t fun. Come beat us to death! Most of us on TC will come and compliment you. but, ugh, tonight it just wasn’t and if it remains like that the game will get ghostly real quick.

spartanx.1364:

TY for the compliment. We will try and find a more fun way for you to face us in the future.
As far as honorable goes. I really dont know, I dont think its less honorable. Do you feel portal bombing is dis honorable?

Sorry, I wont be as cordial. It is completely dishonorable and you know it – using portals is one thing, but “balling up” constantly in an indestructible unit is at best a cheese tactic and at worse borderline exploit of AoE mechanics. It does not take skill to pull off, just a voice chat and lemmings who dont mind going against their better judgment and participating in something that legitimately hurts WvW (yes guilds are leaving in part because people like you have made it a major part of the metagame in T1/T2 matchups). Do you really feel good about a victory when won via this tactic? Do you think the developers intended for the game to play out this way?

Anet had better address this soon before it becomes more prevalent in the mid and lower tiers. Or does anyone think it will be fun to participate in zerg ball vs zerg ball endless battles?

What’s bad tactically about reducing the overall damage to your group whilst also giving significant numbers of boons to many in the stack?

It’s counter-able with preparation or people getting on with the counter, aka a ballista or arrow cart or more. So not broken is it. And an unblocked (no ele swirling winds, thief smoke screen or guardian sanctuary) catapult or treb or mortar shot will wreak havoc with knock downs.

Also ever tried putting the well that corrupts boons down on a turtle if you’re a necromancer? Yeah…

I am from TC and I think its a perfectly legit tactic for tier 1 / tier 2. Yes its taking advantage of the AOE mechanic in the game but its not an exploit. They are showcasing superior organization and skill by being able to keep stacked, execute focus fire and keep defensive boons active.

There are lots of ways to counter it. We just do not have enough large WvWvW guilds to execute them. Portal bomb behind them while a small party timewarp builds a balista in front. After portal bombing use hammer warriors, guardians, mesmer pulls to scatter their group. The stack should be non-existent at that time.

TC needs to get better at setting up siege during large scale combat in open fields.

Hahahahaha. What a great thread. TBH stacking enemies is a wonderful thing. Once your team figures it out, it is a fun filled bag fest!!! It doesnt work. 2 out of 10 times maybe once you attck it properly. I do admit the first time we saw it, it was a head scratcher. After a guild meeting and some alliance discussions, we figured it out through our glorious knowledge of the game and stepped it on it everytime after. THIS is one of the things I completely enjoy about GW2. WvW forces you to work with your team on tactical objectives…funfunfunfunfun! GL all.

PS portal bombs work, but honestly condibombs and losta confusion and knockdowns with some solid range AoE breaks it up fast.

sceptus.9415:

1. Gather
2. Gather everyone reallll close!
3. Stack
4. Spam target nearest enemy
5. Spam your attacks!

Is this considered good tactics? What happened to actually fighting? What is even funnier is once you figure out the gimmick, it is easily defeated and sent packing. Is this what you folks fought so hard to get into a high tier for? I totally love the portal bombing, but the stacking thing is just terrible tactics.

This is realllly fun and gets super intense! You should try it sometime with ICoa and Choo when we are all online… We had a blast stacking with 30+ people on each side and literally standing a meter apart from each other or portal bombing into the enemies stack lol. Obviously you didn’t enjoy it but this tactic makes WvW more enjoyable, imo

Maybe we should link the thread from when Blackgate entered tier 1. The whole stacking conversation was beaten to death back then. They actually called us turtle gate for a while. It was nerfed a week later though, go figure. It has been just another tool in the toolbox in top tier EU for months. This is not a new thing.

Of course it’s a perfectly fine tactic. Part of entering a higher tier is adapting to new strategies. Consider it a challenge to overcome. I would welcome the opportunity.

An example of our work.

Stacking I could care less about.

Its the following that I do:

1) Credit card commanders who have no idea how to lead, but people
zerg follow them

2) Mesmer bombing is an exploit until they fix culling, and the fights
it wins has nothing to do with skill

Watching that video makes the OP’s “It’s not fun” argument ring clear as day.

Looks like a broken game to me.

Gunnars Hold beat larger numbers, turtles too. Its what we’ve been forced to do.

Post our tactics here? Get with the Lol.

If they where quicker to build siege we would not have lasted long. Its all about countering. You just have to actually do something.

I didn’t see you complaining a few weeks ago when TC was bashing FA around with it’s superior numbers.

There’s so many ways to deal with it, you just have to be willing to actually do those things instead of standing around spamming 1 all day.

It looks like you got soft after bashing everything in WvW with superior numbers and have to re-learn how to WvW without a massive numbers edge. Good luck with that.

Thunderbrew.7034:

Stacking I could care less about.

Its the following that I do:

1) Credit card commanders who have no idea how to lead, but people
zerg follow them

2) Mesmer bombing is an exploit until they fix culling, and the fights
it wins has nothing to do with skill

Way to stay on topic. Got any political views you want to share? How ’bout your favorite beer?

spartanx.1364:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tKprQhsSi0

An example of our work.

Mind Blown.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

I didn’t see you complaining a few weeks ago when TC was bashing FA around with it’s superior numbers.

There’s so many ways to deal with it, you just have to be willing to actually do those things instead of standing around spamming 1 all day.

It looks like you got soft after bashing everything in WvW with superior numbers and have to re-learn how to WvW without a massive numbers edge. Good luck with that.

it’s been a couple weeks now, i’d like to let you know that it’s ok to let the bitterness go. it’s really not healthy for you to keep holding on to it. and see, you can’t even really deny that you are, because your entire post is dripping with it.

now, you can keep going on about numbers all that you like, but if you look here: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/36/13

and here: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/36/12

and here: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/36/11

and here too: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/36/10

and here too: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/36/9

and all the way back to here: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/36/5

you can see that we pretty much consistently had a much higher point income level at all hours of the day, including NA prime time when you would be at your strongest with the most number of your players on. now, you can make all the giant leaps in logic and attempts to rewrite history as you’d like. tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to make you feel better about everything, but the facts are right there and plain for you to see.

now, you’re right about something, we did get lazy during out last few matches. in fact, i even pointed that out when i begged your server to team up with a second one to double team us. but it wasn’t because we relied on a numerical advantage. it was because even when the numbers were even, you couldn’t provide an adequate challenge. we didn’t have to be at the top of our game.

going against BG and SoR, now not only do we have to be at the top of our game, but we also have to step up our game to meet the challenge our new competitors present as well. right now, we’re still in the process of shaking the rust off that was piling on over the previous weeks. we’re also learning some new things, and although it’s been a bit stressful at times, it’s been an overall enjoyable experience.