Guild Wars 2

Hickeroar.9734:

I don’t fear a vengeance warrior in the least. All you have to do is kite him for 15s and he’s dead. Plus if you haven’t finished him by the time vengeance is up…you deserve a little more fight anyway.

The only time mist form is OP is when they’re down outside a tower and can mist-form through the portal… That’s not exactly fair. They’re the only class who can do that. By that time you’ve earned the win, if you don’t die trying to finish them.

mesmers are the only class that can portal, by your reasoning that should be nerfed or removed from the game completely. ( I don’t think so! )

frostshade.3617:

covenn.7165:

frostshade.3617:

You really need to meet tele her staff ele can 1v30 all these eles q.qing jus like people say engis are bad or necros are bad just can’t do anything but faceroll

Staff ele’s are free points if I catch them alone.

YEah, they are viable in a zerg though.

Lololololololol good luck soloing tele who is a staff ele ten people can’t down her don’t think you can

I’ve never run across a staff ele that was much of a challenge… They seem very easy to kill.

Though…I’m sure there are a few staff eles out there who could prove me wrong.

The Goat.1940:

Hickeroar.9734:

I don’t fear a vengeance warrior in the least. All you have to do is kite him for 15s and he’s dead. Plus if you haven’t finished him by the time vengeance is up…you deserve a little more fight anyway.

The only time mist form is OP is when they’re down outside a tower and can mist-form through the portal… That’s not exactly fair. They’re the only class who can do that. By that time you’ve earned the win, if you don’t die trying to finish them.

mesmers are the only class that can portal, by your reasoning that should be nerfed or removed from the game completely. ( I don’t think so! )

You’re comparing apple to oranges.

Mesmers offer a utility to your team.

Elementalists have a self-serving escape mechanism that robs you of a kill that I feel like you deserve. You already have them downed by that point….

Try portalling in a friendly zerg while you’re dead.

Hickeroar.9734:

The Goat.1940:

Hickeroar.9734:

I don’t fear a vengeance warrior in the least. All you have to do is kite him for 15s and he’s dead. Plus if you haven’t finished him by the time vengeance is up…you deserve a little more fight anyway.

The only time mist form is OP is when they’re down outside a tower and can mist-form through the portal… That’s not exactly fair. They’re the only class who can do that. By that time you’ve earned the win, if you don’t die trying to finish them.

mesmers are the only class that can portal, by your reasoning that should be nerfed or removed from the game completely. ( I don’t think so! )

You’re comparing apple to oranges.

Mesmers offer a utility to your team.

Elementalists have a self-serving escape mechanism that robs you of a kill that I feel like you deserve. You already have them downed by that point….

Try portalling in a friendly zerg while you’re dead.

no it’s the same, apples to apples a skill is a skill. just because you think the kill is “deserved” does not make it so, for obvious reasons. Vapor form can be countered, not by everyone but it can be, in addition we have to be close to a portal for it to have any advantage aside from a spike delay then rally, with that said Vapor form is obviously balanced.

I always felt like warriors had the worst downed ability. I dunno what they think when they hit vengeance but I think “Thanks for spiking yourself, I could have gotten hurt doin it myself”.

LordByron.8369:

this thread is about WWW

Last patch nerfed Eles to a new level….

250% RTL CD in 2 Patches
15% range reduction

This on theyr key spell
Then also mistform nerf (TIP: MISTFORM =/= VAPOR FORM)
VAPOR FORM bug/ninja nerf (when you use mistform, vaporform goes on cd)
and swirling winds.

I ve read a rumor next patch they will finish the job with
Elementalist can no more use Arrow carts to promote more build diversities….

If this game was about www they could have even deleted the class….

Tell me:
Did you ever seen a similar nerf in ANY game?
i didn t.
And that when they didn t say ele was OP in www but only in PvP.

So please stop complaining about a class you will possibly see disappear from www aside few hipsters with silly builds.

I am mesmer main, so I really dont feel sorry for you guys, given the recent nerf to the mesmer class. Confusion and retal nerf and ibersker “under the radar” nerf are just as bad if not worst than what you guys got.

They should just make it impossible for players to mist form from a downed state to run into the tower/keep. That’s it. It’s not the skill that needs to be nerfed.

The Goat.1940:

Hickeroar.9734:

The Goat.1940:

Hickeroar.9734:

I don’t fear a vengeance warrior in the least. All you have to do is kite him for 15s and he’s dead. Plus if you haven’t finished him by the time vengeance is up…you deserve a little more fight anyway.

The only time mist form is OP is when they’re down outside a tower and can mist-form through the portal… That’s not exactly fair. They’re the only class who can do that. By that time you’ve earned the win, if you don’t die trying to finish them.

mesmers are the only class that can portal, by your reasoning that should be nerfed or removed from the game completely. ( I don’t think so! )

You’re comparing apple to oranges.

Mesmers offer a utility to your team.

Elementalists have a self-serving escape mechanism that robs you of a kill that I feel like you deserve. You already have them downed by that point….

Try portalling in a friendly zerg while you’re dead.

no it’s the same, apples to apples a skill is a skill. just because you think the kill is “deserved” does not make it so, for obvious reasons. Vapor form can be countered, not by everyone but it can be, in addition we have to be close to a portal for it to have any advantage aside from a spike delay then rally, with that said Vapor form is obviously balanced.

You can call it balanced when other classes, while downed, can escape through a portal and rez themselves without any outside intervention.

It’s still apples to oranges. Calling it apples to apples doesn’t make it so.

I totally disagree, I like being able to use the portal. I have to be close enough for 1 and not rooted or locked down in some other way. but with the AC going I have to be much further out and If I do get into down state then it’s over because of the AC buffer so I don’t think a change would effect much. Really I think it’s a non issue how many times are we really in that situation? it’s not like there are hordes of ele’s just waiting to vapor into a tower lol ( I would love to see that)

ps- skill = skill

The Goat.1940:

I totally disagree, I like being able to use the portal.

Of course you do…you’re an ele.

frostshade.3617:

covenn.7165:

frostshade.3617:

You really need to meet tele her staff ele can 1v30 all these eles q.qing jus like people say engis are bad or necros are bad just can’t do anything but faceroll

Staff ele’s are free points if I catch them alone.

YEah, they are viable in a zerg though.

Lololololololol good luck soloing tele who is a staff ele ten people can’t down her don’t think you can

Exaggerate much? I can and would, easily. A staff ele is an actual joke 1v1.

Another QQ thread….why don’t we just remove eles from the game? Seems all the baddies would be happy.

piffdaddy.8014:

Another QQ thread….why don’t we just remove eles from the game? Seems all the baddies would be happy.

A “QQ thread” in the discussion forums of MMORPGs like World of Warcraft, is where a user starts a discussion thread which is basically a complaint, whine or whinge about something in the game they are not happy with.

QQ itself is meant to symbolise someone crying; the Qs looking like eyes with tears streaming from them.
“This isn’t a QQ thread, but please nerf class X as they beat me in combat and thus must be overpowered and imbalanced!”

i actually have a point here in my posts
the eles are cheating getting out of door, spamming aoes, getting downed then immediately vapor and get to safety….isn’t this cheating ?

DanH.5879:

piffdaddy.8014:

Another QQ thread….why don’t we just remove eles from the game? Seems all the baddies would be happy.

A “QQ thread” in the discussion forums of MMORPGs like World of Warcraft, is where a user starts a discussion thread which is basically a complaint, whine or whinge about something in the game they are not happy with.

QQ itself is meant to symbolise someone crying; the Qs looking like eyes with tears streaming from them.
“This isn’t a QQ thread, but please nerf class X as they beat me in combat and thus must be overpowered and imbalanced!”

i actually have a point here in my posts
the eles are cheating getting out of door, spamming aoes, getting downed then immediately vapor and get to safety….isn’t this cheating ?

It would only be cheating if it was effective. As an Ele that vape forms back in to the tower given the chance, i can assure you this only served to draw out my death and the eventual capture of a tower just a little longer.

DanH.5879:

piffdaddy.8014:

Another QQ thread….why don’t we just remove eles from the game? Seems all the baddies would be happy.

i actually have a point here in my posts
the eles are cheating getting out of door, spamming aoes, getting downed then immediately vapor and get to safety….isn’t this cheating ?

no it’s not cheating, as it is part of the game. The skill is intended to work this way. A cheat is something that is not part of the game mechanic and is also banable. Calling eles cheaters for using a skill given to them by the developers is pretty silly.

[edit] to be more nice : )

I would gladly exchange a the ability swap weapons in combat for a nerf on mist-form. As it is, your most effective role as an ele is to run to the back of the keep, wait about 20s to leave combat, then equip a staff. If I could switch to staff quicker, you wouldn’t see these kamikaze eles that drop down, do about 10 damage, and retreat inside. I know some people do it, but it is simply not effective to do anyway.

Are you really complaining about 1-2 bags/day, anyway? If you remove the portal ability of mistform, then no ele downed ability has any use at all, anywhere.

Vengeance is only annoying because it robs the attackers of WvW XP.

And as was said earlier, vapor forming back through the portal is just dirty. Zero risk in what should be a risky as balls situation.

Kincaidia.3192:

Vengeance is only annoying because it robs the attackers of WvW XP.

And as was said earlier, vapor forming back through the portal is just dirty. Zero risk in what should be a risky as balls situation.

simply not true, an ele can do the same thing on a keep/tower wall we don’t need to come off the wall. in addition, if your group can’t stop an ele from retreating into a portal in vapor form then…you are doing it wrong. ( use some tactic or is that too difficult?)

DanH.5879:

piffdaddy.8014:

Another QQ thread….why don’t we just remove eles from the game? Seems all the baddies would be happy.

A “QQ thread” in the discussion forums of MMORPGs like World of Warcraft, is where a user starts a discussion thread which is basically a complaint, whine or whinge about something in the game they are not happy with.

QQ itself is meant to symbolise someone crying; the Qs looking like eyes with tears streaming from them.
“This isn’t a QQ thread, but please nerf class X as they beat me in combat and thus must be overpowered and imbalanced!”

i actually have a point here in my posts
the eles are cheating getting out of door, spamming aoes, getting downed then immediately vapor and get to safety….isn’t this cheating ?

Actually, QQ came from warcraft 2 (and later starcraft) ragequitting.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=QQ

BlackBeard.2873:

I would gladly exchange a the ability swap weapons in combat for a nerf on mist-form. As it is, your most effective role as an ele is to run to the back of the keep, wait about 20s to leave combat, then equip a staff. If I could switch to staff quicker, you wouldn’t see these kamikaze eles that drop down, do about 10 damage, and retreat inside. I know some people do it, but it is simply not effective to do anyway.

Are you really complaining about 1-2 bags/day, anyway? If you remove the portal ability of mistform, then no ele downed ability has any use at all, anywhere.

Eles have 4 sets of weapon utilities for each weaponset. There is a very good reason why they cannot swap weapons easily.

Suralin.3947:

BlackBeard.2873:

I would gladly exchange a the ability swap weapons in combat for a nerf on mist-form. As it is, your most effective role as an ele is to run to the back of the keep, wait about 20s to leave combat, then equip a staff. If I could switch to staff quicker, you wouldn’t see these kamikaze eles that drop down, do about 10 damage, and retreat inside. I know some people do it, but it is simply not effective to do anyway.

Are you really complaining about 1-2 bags/day, anyway? If you remove the portal ability of mistform, then no ele downed ability has any use at all, anywhere.

Eles have 4 sets of weapon utilities for each weaponset. There is a very good reason why they cannot swap weapons easily.

Yeah, they effectively carry 4 weapons around while everyone else gets 2. :-P

Hickeroar.9734:

Suralin.3947:

BlackBeard.2873:

I would gladly exchange a the ability swap weapons in combat for a nerf on mist-form. As it is, your most effective role as an ele is to run to the back of the keep, wait about 20s to leave combat, then equip a staff. If I could switch to staff quicker, you wouldn’t see these kamikaze eles that drop down, do about 10 damage, and retreat inside. I know some people do it, but it is simply not effective to do anyway.

Are you really complaining about 1-2 bags/day, anyway? If you remove the portal ability of mistform, then no ele downed ability has any use at all, anywhere.

Eles have 4 sets of weapon utilities for each weaponset. There is a very good reason why they cannot swap weapons easily.

Yeah, they effectively carry 4 weapons around while everyone else gets 2. :-P

not quite the same. My thief has d/p and shortbow, so i can fight close range and long range.

my staff ele has 20 long range skills, and my d/d ele has 20 short range skills.

Hickeroar.9734:

Eles have 4 sets of weapon utilities for each weaponset. There is a very good reason why they cannot swap weapons easily.

Yeah, they effectively carry 4 weapons around while everyone else gets 2. :-P[/quote]

^ This is exactly why everyone should be forced to play an Ele` before they`re allowed to do anything else in gw2.

/facepalm

Count it as a light IQ test.

Suralin.3947:

They should just make it impossible for players to mist form from a downed state to run into the tower/keep. That’s it. It’s not the skill that needs to be nerfed.

This is 100% correct. Not quite as important as vengeance imo, as eles can rally themselves once they get inside whereas warriors are reliant on others to help out.

I don’t know as an ele myself, I actually don’t have a problem with the idea of changing this, as I find it frustrating at times myself, but from a practical standpoint, it can be countered, which in my mind means it is not OP.

Hyung.6140:

Suralin.3947:

They should just make it impossible for players to mist form from a downed state to run into the tower/keep. That’s it. It’s not the skill that needs to be nerfed.

This is 100% correct. Not quite as important as vengeance imo, as eles can rally themselves once they get inside whereas warriors are reliant on others to help out.

I third this movement. Warriors in vengeance do not act as a downed player, eles in mist form still do. Disable the ability for downed characters to move through these gates. Otherwise there is no reason a thief or mesmer (randomly) shouldn’t also be able to enter the keep as they have movement downed skills, and I am definitely not suggesting giving them this ability.

ppl that think this is really an issue need l2p, really your group can’t keep an ele from vaporing into a portal? lmao baddies… my ranger can do it easy mode.

Fishbait.6723:

Hickeroar.9734:

Yeah, they effectively carry 4 weapons around while everyone else gets 2. :-P

^ This is exactly why everyone should be forced to play an Ele` before they`re allowed to do anything else in gw2.

/facepalm

Count it as a light IQ test.

I have a ranger, guardian, mesmer, and ELE.

Eles Mist form should be way nerfed in their downed state… but Vengeance is just a time for me to laugh while they squirm until they just defeat themselves for me.

Hickeroar.9734:

Fishbait.6723:

Hickeroar.9734:

Yeah, they effectively carry 4 weapons around while everyone else gets 2. :-P

^ This is exactly why everyone should be forced to play an Ele` before they`re allowed to do anything else in gw2.

/facepalm

Count it as a light IQ test.

I have a ranger, guardian, mesmer, and ELE.

You do realize using only two attunements would be gimping yourself. Not to mention that you need 30 in arcana just to have attunement cooldowns be on par with the weapon swap cooldowns of other classes.

Please quit taking away all the cool features of my class (ele). I already feel like a kitten guardian with less armor, less hp and less damage.

so far i know to ways to stop a ele in vapor from to enter a portal, bind and area denial(like line or warding or ring of warding)

given that none are useing them to stop the ele, from entering that makes the ele seem op but given a tool and not useing it to stop him is more your foult then the eles

Peetee.9406:

Please quit taking away all the cool features of my class (ele). I already feel like a kitten guardian with less armor, less hp and less damage.

The fact that you just said this just makes it clear A net cant balance worth kitten. your mist form in downed state is kittening kitten And should not let you enter keeps. Yeah I kittening said it.

TonyDiMeglio.5461:

Peetee.9406:

Please quit taking away all the cool features of my class (ele). I already feel like a kitten guardian with less armor, less hp and less damage.

The fact that you just said this just makes it clear A net cant balance worth kitten. your mist form in downed state is kittening kitten And should not let you enter keeps. Yeah I kittening said it.

Then Mesmers shouldn’t be able to confuse + change of places + clones + dmg too in downed state.
Yeah, I said this

TonyDiMeglio.5461:

Eles Mist form should be way nerfed in their downed state… but Vengeance is just a time for me to laugh while they squirm until they just defeat themselves for me.

Downed Mist Form from Ele’s can be stopped easily.. Learn it

Hickeroar.9734:

frostshade.3617:

covenn.7165:

frostshade.3617:

You really need to meet tele her staff ele can 1v30 all these eles q.qing jus like people say engis are bad or necros are bad just can’t do anything but faceroll

Staff ele’s are free points if I catch them alone.

YEah, they are viable in a zerg though.

Lololololololol good luck soloing tele who is a staff ele ten people can’t down her don’t think you can

I’ve never run across a staff ele that was much of a challenge… They seem very easy to kill.

Though…I’m sure there are a few staff eles out there who could prove me wrong.

I can kite multiple of players as staff Ele, but cannot kill them when kiting.. Kiting np, killing those multiple people.. Very hard (or u need patience, which I don’t have :p)

Cheers

BlackBeard.2873:

I would gladly exchange a the ability swap weapons in combat for a nerf on mist-form. As it is, your most effective role as an ele is to run to the back of the keep, wait about 20s to leave combat, then equip a staff. If I could switch to staff quicker, you wouldn’t see these kamikaze eles that drop down, do about 10 damage, and retreat inside. I know some people do it, but it is simply not effective to do anyway.

Are you really complaining about 1-2 bags/day, anyway? If you remove the portal ability of mistform, then no ele downed ability has any use at all, anywhere.

^True

The balanced ele (15000hp) dies in 2-3 hits (or one burst from a OP invisible thief). At decent hp levels to survive (19000hp and up) the ele does the least damage of all classes.

So please, after the last horrible class-breaking nerf, at least have the decency of not ruining our down-state skills as well. Because having to run back every time (which is about every 5 minutes) is all we need to have all eles stop playing WvW.

Terrorsquad.2349:

TonyDiMeglio.5461:

Peetee.9406:

Please quit taking away all the cool features of my class (ele). I already feel like a kitten guardian with less armor, less hp and less damage.

The fact that you just said this just makes it clear A net cant balance worth kitten. your mist form in downed state is kittening kitten And should not let you enter keeps. Yeah I kittening said it.

Then Mesmers shouldn’t be able to confuse + change of places + clones + dmg too in downed state.
Yeah, I said this

oh please all you have to do for mesmer downed state is wait

TonyDiMeglio.5461:

Terrorsquad.2349:

TonyDiMeglio.5461:

Peetee.9406:

Please quit taking away all the cool features of my class (ele). I already feel like a kitten guardian with less armor, less hp and less damage.

The fact that you just said this just makes it clear A net cant balance worth kitten. your mist form in downed state is kittening kitten And should not let you enter keeps. Yeah I kittening said it.

Then Mesmers shouldn’t be able to confuse + change of places + clones + dmg too in downed state.
Yeah, I said this

oh please all you have to do for mesmer downed state is wait

Mesmer downed state is bugged anyway, half the time it moves you such a short distance that the original spike still gets you.

I can’t imagine that mistform through gates was an intended mechanic though, probably a bug.

TallDan.6350:

TonyDiMeglio.5461:

Terrorsquad.2349:

TonyDiMeglio.5461:

Peetee.9406:

Please quit taking away all the cool features of my class (ele). I already feel like a kitten guardian with less armor, less hp and less damage.

The fact that you just said this just makes it clear A net cant balance worth kitten. your mist form in downed state is kittening kitten And should not let you enter keeps. Yeah I kittening said it.

Then Mesmers shouldn’t be able to confuse + change of places + clones + dmg too in downed state.
Yeah, I said this

oh please all you have to do for mesmer downed state is wait

Mesmer downed state is bugged anyway, half the time it moves you such a short distance that the original spike still gets you.

I can’t imagine that mistform through gates was an intended mechanic though, probably a bug.

I would be happy if mesmer’s downed ability at least moved them away from the target within 180 degrees… as it is now you press it and half the time you tele into the middle of the group you’re trying to escape. Just brilliant.

Terrorsquad.2349:

BlackBeard.2873:

I would gladly exchange a the ability swap weapons in combat for a nerf on mist-form. As it is, your most effective role as an ele is to run to the back of the keep, wait about 20s to leave combat, then equip a staff. If I could switch to staff quicker, you wouldn’t see these kamikaze eles that drop down, do about 10 damage, and retreat inside. I know some people do it, but it is simply not effective to do anyway.

Are you really complaining about 1-2 bags/day, anyway? If you remove the portal ability of mistform, then no ele downed ability has any use at all, anywhere.

^True

Very untrue.

Part of ele’s class mechanics are to have 4 attunements instead of having a weapon swap. You get more skills available to you in exchange for only having 1 available weapon set. That’s the tradeoff. Asking for 40 available skills when other classes get 10 is just silly.

It’s not about the bags. It’s that you can charge out (even if you’re a horrid player) and not care what so ever about being downed. You can cause a lot of damage to other players and siege doing that. Get multiple ele’s together doing that and it’s a major pain. That’s just wrong.

Players would still do it even if they had a weapon swap. Don’t kid yourself.

It would also still be the strongest downed state in the game hands down. Instantly available on down (can’t cc them) + invuln + wipes conditions when finished + able to move back to your group to a place for an easy revival… and people seriously think they should have the ability to kitten back into keeps/towers on top of that… or it’s worthless?

You had me until you said ’a lot of damage’. You ever played an ele? Our glass does less damage then most bunkers.

Ele with 1200 hours here and I agree with you that the tactic is cheap and should go but you have to replace it with something. Lowest armor, 2nd lowest hp and 2nd lowest damage output, all we have is our utility skills which continue to be nerfed and removed every patch.

Elementalists staretd out with the immobilize as the second spell and vapor form as third, with cooldown before they could use it. But people complained about elementalists not being able to prevent that first stomp attempt.

I think ANet did a bad choice when they decided to swap the two spells instead of add some kind of interrupt to the immobilize. Vapor form is extremely strong for being a downed spell without any starting cooldown.

I believe that in order to prevent this whole situation, where the Elementalist can just not die, is to not allow someone in “Vapor Form” to travel through portals. It should be inaccessible. This will fix the whole situation.

Elementalists are so under-powered and easy to bring down they need that ability to run back inside and heal – as they also play an essential role in tower defence.

If you remove that you’re going to break the class and the game even more.

It just sounds like something someone who never played one would want, like the stealth or backstab nerf people are asking for.

Go roll and ele and come back to complain when you’ve experienced what it is to play that class.

Way to go, resurrecting months old topics. We thank you.

I used to run runes of vampirism on my Mesmer because I adored my ele’s mist death port. Works basically the same way, so anyone can have it.

Remove downed state it only promotes zerging. If you die get rezed or respawn.

Chuck Zitto.2367:

it only promotes zerging.

Remove players from WvW! It only promotes zerging…

Yes. Make it so its like a football game, people can only spectate/cheer the teams. Or in this case, cheer the sentries and dolyaks.