Guild Wars 2

Does anybody have any idea as to what he would like in-game? I’ve seen some artwork of him and the in-game statue but nothing I make in the character creator seems to convince me I’ve managed to recreate the genius Asura.

Also, what Profession do people think he was?

He’s seen in a couple of dungeon cutscenes, I’ll see if I can snag an image off google.

Edit: got it. Note that he wears light armour.

There’s also a memorial statue of him outside Eir’s house in game.

As for class… well one could make the argument for elementalist but he and zojja (who was an elementalist) bicker over the use of elemental magic in golomancy in the book, so that’s probably not it, so maybe an engineer? But the skill challange in metrica at Oola’s lab mentions a strong connection between golomancy and necromancy, since it’s basically binding an animal soul or elemental spirit so that’s also a possibility.

Hyena.2037:

There’s also a memorial statue of him outside Eir’s house in game.

As for class… well one could make the argument for elementalist but he and zojja (who was an elementalist) bicker over the use of elemental magic in golomancy in the book, so that’s probably not it, so maybe an engineer?

Snaff was a mesmer.

Note that his specialty was mind magic and mind-tech interfacing. It underpinned Destiny’s Edge’s entire strategy against kralky

I am sad that he is dead, is one of the two asuras books that I loved!

Mesmer? I would have seen as an engineer, but actually, it’s mastery of spirits made ??a mesmer possible!

Golems don’t actually contain spirits; not normally anyway, the inquest often bind sentient creatures (often asura) to golems but a typical golem is non-sentient, just a robot running on it’s programming.

Most asura are tech reliant and often proficient in modifying it – elementalists with devices for manipulating elemental energies, guardians with kinetic barriers or warriors in power armour but in the context of asura that doesn’t make them engineers. “Golemancer” is not a profession as in a class so much as a craft skill like weapon smithing or armour craft, albeit one you can’t learn as a trade profession.

The other misconception about golemancy is that it’s a dynamics field, while dynamics specialises in golems we do have known examples from other colleges – Snaff and Zojja are both from synergetics

This was going off the concept art that Rottawan posted:

Looks pretty close, maybe a bit lighter skin tone.

A problem you’d find if you tried make him properly is that the T3 light armour, the gems share the dye with the tunic, whereas in the art Snaff’s gems are sort’ve red, when his tunic is more purple.

He’s also wearing two armbraces but, that’s artistic license for you

Not really on topic, but I think Zojja has a crush on Snaff. The way she scolds the Asura who goes on about the name Snaff Prize and stuff, gave me the idea. It was the Val-A golem bio choice ‘In Snaff’s Footsteps’ quest.

Shadowdawn.7946:

Not really on topic, but I think Zojja has a crush on Snaff.

It was more like a father-daughter relationship.

It’s a bit strange though. I tend to believe that Snaff also in the book, was in love with Zoijja.

Do the Asura even feel love?

I suppose they must. Maybe they’re like the Charr when it comes to relationships?

Vekthor.8914:

Do the Asura even feel love?

They definitely feel love. There’s a couple of them who nearly get together before one of them kicks the bucket in the Orr section of the personal story.

On topic: Snaff’s not an engineer. As people have pointed out, he wears light armor. I’m 90% sure that he was a mesmer, after all, he managed to take control of Kralkatorrik’s mind/body. But necromancer is still an option.

ThiBash.5634:

Shadowdawn.7946:

Not really on topic, but I think Zojja has a crush on Snaff.

It was more like a father-daughter relationship.

Pretty sure it wasn’t. Some of the story mode dungeons imply it, but the Guild Wars 2 novel (which is canon) definitely seems to confirm she had feelings for him. No word on whether or not Snaff reciprocated yet. I haven’t finished it, I only received it in the mail yesterday. :P

Vekthor.8914:

Do the Asura even feel love?

Yes, to the same extent of any of the other races.

As someone mentioned above, one of the Orr lines (Whispers, I believe) involves an asuran pair professing their feelings for one another right before one of them is tragically killed.

Make an asura with the dynamics background. The dynamics personal story line involves an asuran couple, the male of which is extremely (even excessively) romantic/doting.

Yeah. That guy just made me want to kill his partner. And yes, Zojja does have feelings for Snaff, but he may not have the same feelings about her.

Zojja and Snaff shipping? Come on, Zojja is still relatively young and according to the artwork Snaff could be her father/grandfather age-wise. I don’t think there was any love, he was more like a mentor/father figure for her.

That’s just a different kind of love.
Regardless, it’s certain that there was a strong emotional bond between the two, even if they didn’t get the chance to admit it.

A bond that only a master and his apprentice can have.

Baktwerel.9108:

Zojja and Snaff shipping? Come on, Zojja is still relatively young and according to the artwork Snaff could be her father/grandfather age-wise. I don’t think there was any love, he was more like a mentor/father figure for her.

As someone who has legitimately had feelings for someone old enough to be my father, I’m not sure how I feel about the insinuation that you can’t/shouldn’t have feelings for someone older.

Anyway, it’s practically canon. The insinuations are, well, pretty much everywhere during the asura personal story. And if you need it any clearer, you really should read Edge of Destiny. If it helps you at all, it seems like it may have been a one-way crush.

Definitely bit of shipping going on here :p

Majority consensus is teacher/pupil growing into father/daughter relationship over the course of the book. While there’ll always be a few people who read things between the lines in writing in this case it’s probably not intended given how few seem to think it’s anything more than a close platonic relationship.

Of course, I may be wrong, so go ahead and post the relevant passages if you think people’re overlooking the true meaning.

In the spirit of the conversation, I’ve posted almost all of the important segments. Enjoy, and come to your own conclusions. Spoilers for Edge of Destiny (obviously enough).

I’m really leaning toward seeing romantic inclinations rather than a father/daughter relationship, although I concede that how he constantly refers to Zojja as “dear” is very reflective of the latter.

EDIT: Any Anet writers out there browsing this forum? Could we have some sort of clarification on what the intention was…?

“Dear” depends on geography, for example “dear” is simply a term of endearment in the UK (literally, it’s the root of the word).

But Rytlock seems to see something in it which Zojja then echoes later on. Often that kind of foreshadowing/recognition is very deliberate on the writers part and isn’t likely co-incidental.

Still without the full context of the book it’s hard to say how representative it is.

So are we in the conclusion that he’s a mesmer because honestly I don’t think there’s much evidence to support what profession he is. I am basing this off of him using his contraptions to mind control Kralkatorrik rather than magic.

I think Snaff would have to be a mesmer, because I don’t think he’s a necro, and certainly not a ele. And on the Snaff/Zojja romance thing, I have read books before when that has happened (in the Immortals quartet, by Tamora Pierce), between master and apprentice as well. It had the same kinds of foreshadowing/recognition that one poster up was talking about.

Does anyone know how old Snaff was when he died? I remember in some asura dialogue he’s mentioned to have “died young”, but he certainly doesn’t look young and we know asura don’t live much longer than humans. Unless they show signs of aging much earlier than humans do?

Dinny.5310:

Baktwerel.9108:

Zojja and Snaff shipping? Come on, Zojja is still relatively young and according to the artwork Snaff could be her father/grandfather age-wise. I don’t think there was any love, he was more like a mentor/father figure for her.

As someone who has legitimately had feelings for someone old enough to be my father, I’m not sure how I feel about the insinuation that you can’t/shouldn’t have feelings for someone older.

Anyway, it’s practically canon. The insinuations are, well, pretty much everywhere during the asura personal story. And if you need it any clearer, you really should read Edge of Destiny. If it helps you at all, it seems like it may have been a one-way crush.

I did read it, multiple times even. However, unlike with the Caithe-Faolain relationship (or heck, even the Logan-Jennah one), there are no real hints of a romantic relationship between the two asura. I can still only see them as a master-apprentice, no matter how I look at them.

Baktwerel.9108:

Dinny.5310:

Baktwerel.9108:

Zojja and Snaff shipping? Come on, Zojja is still relatively young and according to the artwork Snaff could be her father/grandfather age-wise. I don’t think there was any love, he was more like a mentor/father figure for her.

As someone who has legitimately had feelings for someone old enough to be my father, I’m not sure how I feel about the insinuation that you can’t/shouldn’t have feelings for someone older.

Anyway, it’s practically canon. The insinuations are, well, pretty much everywhere during the asura personal story. And if you need it any clearer, you really should read Edge of Destiny. If it helps you at all, it seems like it may have been a one-way crush.

I did read it, multiple times even. However, unlike with the Caithe-Faolain relationship (or heck, even the Logan-Jennah one), there are no real hints of a romantic relationship between the two asura. I can still only see them as a master-apprentice, no matter how I look at them.

That’s fine, I understand it’s very open to interpretation, but still… “You’re her whole world?” What kind of master is their apprentices ‘whole world’? Aren’t lines like that normally supposed to denote romance, or at the very least, a platonic, but deep emotional attachment?

Soooo… Anet writers… Help? Clarify? Waves into the abyss

Dinny.5310:

Platonic, but deep emotional attachment.

I think that fittingly describes Snaff and Zojja’s relationship.

Dinny.5310:

Baktwerel.9108:

Dinny.5310:

Baktwerel.9108:

Zojja and Snaff shipping? Come on, Zojja is still relatively young and according to the artwork Snaff could be her father/grandfather age-wise. I don’t think there was any love, he was more like a mentor/father figure for her.

As someone who has legitimately had feelings for someone old enough to be my father, I’m not sure how I feel about the insinuation that you can’t/shouldn’t have feelings for someone older.

Anyway, it’s practically canon. The insinuations are, well, pretty much everywhere during the asura personal story. And if you need it any clearer, you really should read Edge of Destiny. If it helps you at all, it seems like it may have been a one-way crush.

I did read it, multiple times even. However, unlike with the Caithe-Faolain relationship (or heck, even the Logan-Jennah one), there are no real hints of a romantic relationship between the two asura. I can still only see them as a master-apprentice, no matter how I look at them.

That’s fine, I understand it’s very open to interpretation, but still… “You’re her whole world?” What kind of master is their apprentices ‘whole world’? Aren’t lines like that normally supposed to denote romance, or at the very least, a platonic, but deep emotional attachment?

Soooo… Anet writers… Help? Clarify? Waves into the abyss

" What kind of master is their apprentices ‘whole world’? " An asura kind, of course. For asura there is rarely anything more important than their studies, laboratory and inventions. Many asura value their inventions more than their children or partners. While it is true that some asura are exception to this and do value love more, it is only logical to assume that master-apprentice relationships play a large role in an asura’s life in either case. It must be something like the fahrars/warbands for charr cubs, where it becomes their new, “real” family. To an apprentice his/her mentor/master is what guides them to become a true genius so they can go on and invent stuff on their own. While Zojja never admitted it, she did need her master’s guidance and Snaff mentions that one day she will be a bigger genius than he is. Not even the ‘whole world’ statement makes it look romantical in any way – to me at least.

A developer’s confirmation would be very welcome though.

I was torn between posting this here or in the ‘fun facts’ thread, but it makes more sense to place it here since it pertains to Snaff in particular, so…

I was exploring RS on an alt and went to idle near the peacemaker headquarters. Two of the NPCs had a discussion. It was revealed that, apparently, there was a point at which Snaff had access to/control over Rata Sum’s peacemaker golems. He supposedly slipped up and lost control of them. It sounds as though they may have hurt or even killed people.

I just thought that was interesting.

I’ve read Edge of Destiny and my interpretation of Snaff and Zojja’s relationship started off as master/apprentice but grew into a very loving father/daughter relationship. Zojja just didn’t want to admit it as she’s like every other Asura: self-righteous, arrogant and thinks they don’t need a master. Yet at the same time she couldn’t help but love and admire Snaff for being so revolutionary: a one-of-a-kind genius. She berates him through out the book and it’s like Eir says (something like this) “Only when your Master is gone will you realize how much you needed him.” I think because Zojja thought she knew her own potential and because Snaff let her get away with being so kitteny that she lead herself to believe she didn’t need him but she soon learns different. Snaff saw the great potential in Zojja, and even though he held her back to keep her close, I think it was so that he could guide her down the right path like a father guides his child – learning right from wrong etc.

But that’s just my opinion

Oh, and as for what profession Snaff is, I’d go for Mesmer. You’d have to have very strong mind powers to mind control a dragon

As long as there is no canon proof of a romantic relationship (and i doubt there will be more than the book destinys edge), this will always be up to speculation and the readers own opinion.

Well, till maybe a developer or a designer or writer states something in this direction.
(much like J K Rowling said dumbledore was gay, what was not stated directly in the books. It was hinted, but not stated, much like Snaff/zojja)

Aww good ol’ Dumbledore and Grindelwald <3

Like this, but less horrifying.

Panzerjaeger.7612:

Like this, but less horrifying.

Snaff confirmed for coming back as a Risen.

Rottaran Owain.6789:

Panzerjaeger.7612:

Like this, but less horrifying.

Snaff confirmed for coming back as a Risen.

What has science the eternal alchemy done!

We have the knowledge, we can rebuild him!

Stand back, bookahs! We’re going to try SCIENCE!

Panzerjaeger.7612:

Like this, but less horrifying.

Wait, what?
How did you retrieve a model from the game?
Even in its garbled state that’s pretty impressive.

Has anyone noticed the detail about his… omnitool thingies. His right handed one is blue, his left handed one is red.

His apprentices zojja and kudu, zojja wears a blue one on her right arm, kudu wears a red one on his left arm. Think they inherited them?

Panzerjaeger.7612:

Like this, but less horrifying.

I shall never sleep in peace again.

Rellow.7364:

Panzerjaeger.7612:

Like this, but less horrifying.

Wait, what?
How did you retrieve a model from the game?
Even in its garbled state that’s pretty impressive.

I didn’t retrieve it, I simply found it on the interwebz