Fear of Ban
You are talking at their home, their forums. Do you really think, you can do anything you wish to do on their hometurf? Sounds crazy to me.
Everybody new their standpoint after the karma exploit. I cannot understand all the people starting a whining thread here now. They have made it clear, that their would be no second incident with lenience. And so it is now. If you have not learned it the first time, there will be no chance to learn it at the second incident. So why do you ask them to soften up. I wouldn’t do it.
I understand the reason just passing on the warning someone gave me when I was very frustrated at a specific incident. Helps to have someone outside of the frustration urge you for a little caution.
Why fear the ban-hammer?
If you haven’t done anything wrong, submit a ticket and then you will have your account back in a few days or weeks, if you can’t wait that long I would advice you to take a break from pc/video-games and enjoy the real world.
Here’s my problem with that…
I would have had no idea that the most recent exploit (Snowflake) was an exploit. I would have bought supplies crafted those for hours, completely unaware that I was doing anything wrong simply because I could have done the same for any other recipe in the game with a higher starting cost on the TC.
I would have thought, “Great! Nobody knows that mithril and snowflakes should be valuable yet!” and I would have bought them in bulk, crafted earrings until I was sick of doing so, and then sold off whatever I had left when the price of snowflakes was high enough (ie. once the players balanced out the market prices). Then I would have sold off my excess ecto once their prices rose again once the snowflakes were all used up.
Why wouldn’t any rational person do that?
If this had happened, I could not have said I didn’t intentionally use an “exploit” because I would have used it intentionally. The difference (and the heart of the problem with this one) is that I would have had no idea that what I was intentionally doing was considered an exploit in the first place. It’s crafting and salvaging just like any other craft/salvage operation.
The forums would be full of people calling me a liar and everyone saying that I knew what I did was wrong while I was doing it. It would be all on me to somehow prove that the situation I just described was the truth and, somehow, I doubt I’d be able to do so.
This is what makes me nervous. Being banned for exploiting the game without even realizing I am doing so and then having to convince some service rep that I didn’t know and that, unlike all the people who did know and did it anyway, I really was ignorant of any wrong doings.
Personally, I think they should hand out suspensions for people taking advantage of their own coding mistakes and save perma-bans for people who are maliciously cheating the game like hackers, gold sellers, and bots.
[CO] Cryptic Omen
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I have this fear. I’ve also been banned 3 times and had a week+ of timeout from the game. I’ve been accused of gold selling, botting, and modifying the game. Every explanation ends up as ‘banned in error’, but the last time this happened I almost didn’t even get my account back. I had an appeal denied at one point, and was told they might not talk to me anymore. I filed a complaint with the BBB after my second ban, and that went unresolved. I was actually banned the third time while I was updating it. I thought I had figured out why this was happening, but it’s not clear if that’s the reason I was unbanned or not. I guess I’ll see what happens in the next month or two. All they said was ‘error’, and I really don’t want to talk to them anymore. It has never been a good experience and I never get any answers. I’m sick of it.
People say that they trust the company and their decisions, but trust is not something that I have anymore. You lose it when you are mistreated by the people you give it to. So now I play the game less often than I used to, and play other games once in a while instead. I always wonder in the back of my mind if I’m going to see a black screen when I click my gw2 icon. I’m certainly not thinking about buying any gems or expansions.
Forum moderation seems harsh as well. I really haven’t participated here because of it. I don’t understand why topics have to be closed in such a hurry, or at all. Your staff doesn’t always sufficiently answer the posts that they close, forcing people to make another topic about it, which is a breach of the TOS. It’s also funny how we’re supposed to post in a thread here if your ticket is older than 3 days, yet people are banned from the forums now when these things happen. Asking a friend to do it is also technically a breach of the TOS. I’m sure most of this post is violating something too, but I’m being civil about it and it needs to be said.
[HOPE] –
- You cannot extrapolate 1 post, or 10, or even 100 to assume that it is representative of a major issue. 100 posts represents 0.00005% of our player base.
First off, 100 posts would be 0.005%.
I do drug development and clinical trials for a living so statistics on false positives is my specialty. It is absolutely improper to evaluate false positives by whole number alone. It must be evaluated in conjunction with the number of true positives and the total population. Please provide the number of active players, permanently banned players, and mistakenly banned events (we have to count events as some players have been banned multiple times) and I can run the statistics to show if this is a real problem or not.
In part response to Warlock, if they were long term GW1, and GW2 players, then they would know an exploit when they saw it. Unless of course their brain cell count is below average and simply thought that getting more from less was a cool trick.
Secondly, if ANet is not ip banning these botters/exploiters, then they are doing it wrong and should not be profiting from what is ultimately their own coding mistake as you, Warlock, have pointed out.
Finally, Warlock’s suggestion is something that should seriously be considered by the development/moderator team and whoever else needs to consider it at ANet. When an exploit is brought to the attention of ANet, a MoTD should pop up for every player that logs in to the game, every time they log in, alerting them of the exploit in detail so they know to stay away until it is fixed. Anyone who attempts the exploit after the MoTD is in place should be ip banned WITHOUT review.
An example MoTD template:
MoTD: EXPLOIT ALERT:: Here are the details of the exploit, do not attempt to reproduce this in any way as the result will be an instant ip ban without review. Some people just suck and intended on getting ahead of others through exploiting a broken system.
Of course I would laugh uncontrollably at the last part if it was put in but that was just me being me. Warlock’s idea is a good one, use it.
Are you seriously suggesting that we give a tutorial on how to exploit our game? I talked with several team members today, and they believe that doing that would be an incredibly bad idea, because more people will use the exploit, even with the warning. They’ll either (1) hope they won’t be detected, or (2) believe they think they’ll get a “pass” by saying they were “testing” the system, or (3) think we’ll only catch people above a certain number, so they can cheat in small numbers with impunity, or (4) hope that we decide that the number of players using the exploit is so high that we will not terminate the accounts.
It would be like the Treasury Department saying, “We’re going to change the way we make our $20 bills, but until then, by all means do not [instructions on how to counterfeit money].”
If we give details, the sheer volume of people using an exploit will rise, with all of our systems being stalled to deal with the bans, appeal reviews, etc.
I filed a complaint with the BBB after my second ban, and that went unresolved.
We don’t have any unresolved complaints with the BBB. Each filed against ArenaNet has been resolved in our favor, which is part of the reason that we have an A+ rating. If you want to give me your BBB complaint number, I’ll be happy to confirm that in our records.
Communications Manager
Guild & Fansite Relations; In-Game Events
ArenaNet
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I’m feel it’s time to close this thread, because I think it’s lived it’s reasonable lifespan and the OP and other who were genuinely concerned will be able to read my detailed response and will, I hope, feel more assured about the situation.
Communications Manager
Guild & Fansite Relations; In-Game Events
ArenaNet
(edited by Gaile Gray.6029)