Guild Wars 2

Earlier today our guild leader was kicked from the guild by someone newly promoted to a #2 rank. Since Guild Wars doesn’t prevent the guild leader from being kicked by just anyone, he and a friend were booted and the culprit made off with the guild’s stash of gold. Said culprit is still the guild leader and demoted anyone who was of an appropriate rank to kick him or promote/demote anyone.

Basically, he stole the guild out from under everyone, and there’s no way for anyone to reclaim it. Heck, this is the closest forum I can find that would even cover something like this. I tried filing an in-game report on the culprit in question, but again, ‘scamming’ was the closest thing that fit.

Is there anything the GMs can do about this?

support.guildwars2.com

“Ask a Question”

Wish you folks luck!

That guy needs a very good ban. Might want to track where the stolen gold and items went.

The thing is indeed that you need to ask support.
Keep in mind that support doesn’t interfere with internal guild-affairs. So it might very well be that support decide that they can’t help. As I understand it wasn’t a new member, but someone who earned the trust of the the leader to be promoted.

You know, it’s not just guild politics, the guy stole gold from the guild. That’s gotta be some kind of punishable offense.

Relle.4873:

You know, it’s not just guild politics, the guy stole gold from the guild. That’s gotta be some kind of punishable offense.

Don’t get me wrong, I understand you are upset and I’m certainly not saying it is ok what this person did. But the question remains unanswered. Did he cheat to the promotion or was the person given the trust? If it is the later I am afraid that this is a misjudgement and therefore internal guild-affairs. If the guy cheated and tricked himself to the position then there is a change they will suspend him. As far as I know, support has no way of getting the stolen items back. I have seen reports of guildbanks robbed by hackers. Support simple doesn’t have the tools to get the items back.

So let me get this straight. If I were to join a guild, gain the trust of the people in charge, become promoted to a position that lets me change ranks and kick people, I could boot or demote everyone and take over everything and that’s perfectly all right in the eyes of the developers?

Relle.4873:

So let me get this straight. If I were to join a guild, gain the trust of the people in charge, become promoted to a position that lets me change ranks and kick people, I could boot or demote everyone and take over everything and that’s perfectly all right in the eyes of the developers?

It isn’t a matter if me or the developpers think what this person did is ok or something they find good human behaviour. The matter is what they can do bout it. To get the person suspended it has to be proven that he didn’t do it cause of a conflict or a disagreement, but that he did all this with the goal of taking over and robbing the guildbank. This is a hard thing to proof from my point of view. As for the robbed items or giving control over the guild back the leader. They might don’t have the tools to do so. I know they don’t have the tools to get the content of the guildbank back (or they must have recently got these tools). I’m not saying this to say what this person did is moraly ok. In my country there is a saying, being right doesn’t mean you get justice.

Well, the guy’s renamed the guild and changed the logo, so that might be a sign he did it with the intent of taking it over and robbing it…

Relle.4873:

Well, the guy’s renamed the guild and changed the logo, so that might be a sign he did it with the intent of taking it over and robbing it…

You can’t rename guilds (only support can do that and they do that if the name is inapropiate).

A good advise is to not let your case shine more by making things up here. Support can see all and takes all in consideration. be honest and truthfull but nothing more.

Well, thanks for calling me a liar when I didn’t have all the information. He changed the MOTD and announced the new name of the guild, despite the actual name not having changed. I figured he could change the actual name of the guild just as easily. But hey, apparently I’m making things up now.

Relle.4873:

Well, thanks for calling me a liar when I didn’t have all the information. He changed the MOTD and announced the new name of the guild, despite the actual name not having changed. I figured he could change the actual name of the guild just as easily. But hey, apparently I’m making things up now.

He was not calling you a liar, simply pointing out that your information was inaccurate.
No one except support can rename a guild, and even support will only do it in very rare cases.
I am sorry to say, I don’t see you getting any help here at all. This is similar to what happens when a player empties the guild bank then leaves the guild.
As I see it, this person was promoted to a position that gave him full control over the guild. He did not steal it, it was given to him on a silver platter. If you promote a player to a position and give him permissions to kick players, you cannot then complain if he kicks players. He was given permissions to remove gold from the guild bank, which he did. Is what he did underhanded and low? absolutely!, but in the end, it is really the fault of the guild leader for giving him so much power and authority.

Relle.4873:

Well, thanks for calling me a liar when I didn’t have all the information. He changed the MOTD and announced the new name of the guild, despite the actual name not having changed. I figured he could change the actual name of the guild just as easily. But hey, apparently I’m making things up now.

Please read back up what I am saying and reconsider your response. I have nothing to win or gain here. I’m no party. But claiming he has renamed the name while he didn’t is actually against the Rules of conduct (harashment). I’m not calling you a liar. I’m not defending the person who did it. I wasn’t there. All I’m saying is that Arenanet’s tools are limited in these situations cause they want to give guilds as much room as possible to govern themself (this includes making mistakes like a promotion the majority off the guild later on regrets). Arenanet will also approach this impartial. Making your case more shiny will make you like a liar indeed. Combined with possible! other things they can see in the logs and your not telling this might mean a decission your not going to like.

But it looks like you are overdefending yourself, and feels attacked by my attempts to help you by warning bout what support can and can not do. I’ll drop it, you seem not want to listen to my advise, so I leave it to support to react.

You were saying I was making things up and suggesting I be honest and truthful. Call me crazy, but when people say that, it sounds like they’re calling me a liar.

And yeah, I get what you’re saying: support can’t help and Arenanet apparently didn’t think the whole guild thing through. In WoW, the guild leader can’t be kicked by anyone, and can only step down or be forced out if inactive for a long period of time. In GW2, apparently any shmo with kicking privilege in the guild can boot the leader and take over.

Thanks for letting me know my guild is gone and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. Geez.

I suggest that you put in a support ticket and see if anything can be done. Support can look at the circumstances and make a decision. It might be that nothing can be done but it doesn’t hurt to ask just in case something can be done.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

but in the end, it is really the fault of the guild leader for giving him so much power and authority.

So, it’s the fault of the guild leader for trusting this guy and considering him a friend, and not the fault of the other guy who purposefully carried out these actions? Shame on the victim!

Relle.4873:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

but in the end, it is really the fault of the guild leader for giving him so much power and authority.

So, it’s the fault of the guild leader for trusting this guy and considering him a friend, and not the fault of the other guy who purposefully carried out these actions? Shame on the victim!

Sorry, but in this case yes. It is the victims fault. You are under the assumption that any member with kick privileges can kick anyone else, including the guild leader. This is not how it works. A member can only kick other members with the same rank or lower. The permission actually says “admin lower ranks”. In order for this person to kick the guild leader, the leader had to have prompted him to the same level as the leader. Basically, your guild leader made this person the guild leader as well. While it is a good idea to have at least 2 guild leaders in case of any issues, the choice of who to make a co-leader has to be VERY carefully thought out. The co-leader of my guild has been playing with me for over 12 years. I know him. Under no condition would I make someone I met I game and knew less then a year the leader of my guild.

You should submit a support ticket and then not return to this thread. There’s a lot of babble in it about what the dev should or should not do from a lot of people who aren’t devs, and therefore don’t matter. Let the devs decide what they want to do.

TheLordQ.1857:

You should submit a support ticket and then not return to this thread. There’s a lot of babble in it about what the dev should or should not do from a lot of people who aren’t devs, and therefore don’t matter. Let the devs decide what they want to do.

Q, rather then being a rude kitten, you should read the other threads in this forum. The “babble” as you call it, is based on what has already been done by support in past cases. There are many examples, take the time to read them before giving your input thank you very much. BTW, the devs have nothing to do with this issue so please do not post bad advice. The only thing useful out of your entire post was telling the op to contact support, which has already been suggested, so even that, was not very useful.

Relle.4873:

You were saying I was making things up and suggesting I be honest and truthful. Call me crazy, but when people say that, it sounds like they’re calling me a liar.

And yeah, I get what you’re saying: support can’t help and Arenanet apparently didn’t think the whole guild thing through. In WoW, the guild leader can’t be kicked by anyone, and can only step down or be forced out if inactive for a long period of time. In GW2, apparently any shmo with kicking privilege in the guild can boot the leader and take over.

Thanks for letting me know my guild is gone and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. Geez.

I find it disturbing that you’re trying to put the blame on Anet, when your Guild Leader is the one who promoted the guy to the highest rank possible.

Now as others have mentioned, Anet Support is in a tough situation. How are they supposed to determine who is right and who is wrong here. Maybe there was outside communications over voice comm (like Vent or TeamSpeak) or phone call that transferred all leadership roles to the new guy? How do we know that you’re not making all this up to grief the new leader?

Relle.4873:

Earlier today our guild leader was kicked from the guild by someone newly promoted to a #2 rank. Since Guild Wars doesn’t prevent the guild leader from being kicked by just anyone, he and a friend were booted and the culprit made off with the guild’s stash of gold. Said culprit is still the guild leader and demoted anyone who was of an appropriate rank to kick him or promote/demote anyone.

Basically, he stole the guild out from under everyone, and there’s no way for anyone to reclaim it. Heck, this is the closest forum I can find that would even cover something like this. I tried filing an in-game report on the culprit in question, but again, ‘scamming’ was the closest thing that fit.

Is there anything the GMs can do about this?

Since you seem to be a very unfriendly and hard to deal with individual based on the above response, i’m just going to go right ahead and call you a liar. Yup.

Why? Well first of all, a number 2 rank will never be able to “kick” the guild leader. That is because the guild leader which is the number 1 rank, is absolute. The number 1 rank can however, accidentally DEMOTE himself, in which case, I believe the guild leader is given to the 2nd in command? I have no idea what happens since I don’t want to try it.

So this basically screws up your theory that a number 2 rank was able to kick your guild leader. It seems far more likely that your guild leader accidentally demoted himself and the new reign of power is unwilling to give the position back.

There also seems to be a lot of inconsistencies with what you’re saying so I hope you speak the full and proper truth in your support ticket.

Be careful who you trust lol. Sorry but it is the guild leaders fault.

Maybe some idea for guilds, when there are 2 leaders, you need permission of both to do such big actions. So that one can’t kick the other without his approbation first.

Or the guy might have been hacked and stole the guild for said purpose.

Like others have said, a rank #2 guy can NOT kick a rank #1 (leader). A rank #2 can only kick people who are lower ranked than he is. Only a few ways this story could make sense:

1. Your guild leader accidentally demoted himself to rank #2, and the other guy kicked him, then proceeded to kick everyone else.

2. Your guild leader made this “friend” of yours a co-leader (rank #1) alongside himself, and then got kicked from the guild as well as everyone else.

Either way, your biggest mistake has been not contacting support. You won’t get any developer help here on the forum without a ticket # that is older than 3 days. Go to “support”, “ask a question”, then tell them what happened. The longer you wait, the less interested your guild members will be to re join the guild when you get it back.