Is using AutoHotKey legal?
This is the script I’m running:
~LButton::
Loop
{
GetKeyState, ScrollState, ScrollLock, T
If ScrollState = U
Break
Else
Send {LButton}
Sleep, 20
}
Return
Just been reviewing everything I can find on the topic…
From what I can understand as long as your binding one action to one button and you aren’t giving yourself an unfare advantage in gameplay you’re fine.
Guild Wars 2 players are permitted to use macros as long as the macros are programmed with a 1 key for 1 function protocol.
This means that if you program a macro, it must require one keystroke per action. You may not program a single key to perform multiple functions.
For example, if you Press A and it results in the casting of a single skill, you’re ok. If you Press A and it casts multiple spells, you’re not ok.
You cannot program a macro to perform the same or multiple actions on more than one account at a time.
You cannot program an “auto-clicker” macro that, for instance, opens chests while you play elsewhere.
Loops almost always fall under the banned category.
When they talk about one keystroke per “action” it seems like they’re talking about different attacks/abilites or functions being ran in sequence or at the same time. When they specifically mention auto-clicker they’re talking about something that allows you to open chests or other things while you’re playing or doing something else.
I consider the scroll lock the repeat key on my computer, which is it’s single function. Not just used for GW2. The way I look at it the scroll lock has one “action” and the left click has one “action”. I have to use the mouse exactly as I would normally, just without the excessive clicking which is both kitten the mouse and my finger. There is no unfair game play advantage that I know of. I’ve heard one person mention that it’s an unfair advantage for getting the alcohol achievement, but it still takes pretty much the same amount of time to do it (little quicker without having to break to rest your finger).
Anyway, until I’m told otherwise I’m considering this an ordinary function of my pc.
Thx for the link
Kitten lol? Kitten = kitten
What the hell? Why does it keep putting kitten?
Bad language filter replaces bad words with kitten. Even if the bad word is split between consecutive words with punctuation and spaces. Makes a funny read sometimes.
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When they talk about one keystroke per “action” it seems like they’re talking about different attacks/abilites or functions being ran in sequence or at the same time. When they specifically mention auto-clicker they’re talking about something that allows you to open chests or other things while you’re playing or doing something else.
I consider the scroll lock the repeat key on my computer, which is it’s single function. Not just used for GW2. The way I look at it the scroll lock has one “action” and the left click has one “action”. I have to use the mouse exactly as I would normally, just without the excessive clicking which is both kitten the mouse and my finger. There is no unfair game play advantage that I know of. I’ve heard one person mention that it’s an unfair advantage for getting the alcohol achievement, but it still takes pretty much the same amount of time to do it (little quicker without having to break to rest your finger).
As far as I understand your script, you do one action and it will double click in a loop with 20ms between click until you do another action. I really fail to see how it is 1 keystroke = 1 action (and almost certainly so will Anet).
That is unfair advantage to people that clicked 25.000 times and did not use macro to get the alcohol achievement (even if we all know this achievement is stupid, especially when the food one requires only 800 rations.)
Anyway, until I’m told otherwise I’m considering this an ordinary function of my pc.
You will be “told” otherwise when you will be banned. There is no warning in this game.
On another note, I have heard some people attached left click with scroll down on their mouse. In my opinion, that is 1 keystroke = 1 action and it allows to left click really fast.
1) Loop macros are forbidden by the Terms of Service
2) I doubt anyone is going to lift a finger to stop you as long as you use it while at your computer and only to save yourself from killing your left finger while opening things
3) You can use a legal alternative, such as rebinding the mouse wheel up action to left click, you can use scroll lock as a toggle.
Remember 1 click = 1 action
Your loop function lets you open 20 chests with 1-2 clicks. That is 20 actions. Which breaks the rule.
Delarme
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Thx for the tip about using the wheel, that’s a great idea! I may switch to that to avoid the hassle.
Would you mind linking the ToS that you’re looking at please. I’m unable to find any mention of loops, scripts or macros.
I’ve got:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-content-terms-of-use/
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/
Also is there some way to contact Anet directly to inquire?
Thanks again for the input
Also, I should mention that I haven’t gotten the Alcohol Achievement and don’t intend to.
“20. You may not use any third-party program (such as a “bot”) in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars 2. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.”
This is clarified as 1 click = 1 action by forum posts here.
1 click = opening 20 items is automating a gameplay function by repeating it in a loop.
Delarme
Apathy Inc [Ai]
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So we have this (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct):
“20. You may not use any third-party program (such as a “bot”) in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars 2. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.”
First off it’s not a gameplay function. It’s a keyboard/mouse function that I use regularly. Secondly, it’s not an automated function. I still have to be present with my hand on the mouse doing it. I still have to click the mouse and turn scroll lock on and off and hold the mouse in place. Therefore it doesn’t give me any unfair gameplay advantage (beyond the Alcohol Achievement which isn’t really a gameplay advantage). I can’t just push a single button and have multiple functions occur.
And we also have (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Policy-3rd-Party-Programs-Multi-Boxing-Macros/first#post1532762)
“As part of ArenaNet’s policy on third-party programs, we are often asked about multi-boxing and the use of macros. Here is our policy:
Macros
Guild Wars 2 players are permitted to use macros as long as the macros are programmed with a 1 key for 1 function protocol.
This means that if you program a macro, it must require one keystroke per action. You may not program a single key to perform multiple functions.
For example, if you Press A and it results in the casting of a single skill, you’re ok. If you Press A and it casts multiple spells, you’re not ok.
You cannot program a macro to perform the same or multiple actions on more than one account at a time.
You cannot program an “auto-clicker” macro that, for instance, opens chests while you play elsewhere.”
So it states
“Guild Wars 2 players are permitted to use macros as long as the macros are programmed with a 1 key for 1 function protocol.”
The left click’s only function is to left click. The scroll locks only function is to set repeats on keys. Hitting one key doesn’t allow me to do multiple functions. It does allow me to do the same action multiple times.
“You cannot program a macro to perform the same or multiple actions on more than one account at a time.”
So I’m still safe.
“You cannot program an “auto-clicker” macro that, for instance, opens chests while you play elsewhere.”
As previously stated I have to use the mouse and keyboard in the same manner it was intended therefore I can’t go play elsewhere while opening chests or consuming consumables. I’m still doing everything manually. So I’m still good.
And beyond all the technical crap the alcohol achievement is the only reason I can see anybody caring and it is a BS Ach anyway. I’m simply doing something that prevents stress on my finger and on the mouse.
Unless there is more “official” documentation/clarification I’m going to keep using it…
Thanks again
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I must say I’m confused. If you didn’t want to listen to the advice from the forum-goers, why bother making the thread to ask for help/advice?
If the search function worked, we could bring up the Dev post that directly addresses this issue. Sadly, search seldom works here. =(
Support will not give you an official answer and say it is or is not OK to use. Support has stated this many times in the past, you use any third part app or macro at your own risk. All we can do is tell you what has happened in the past. If you use that macro, you are at risk to losing your account. That is the best answer you are going to get. When you are banned, and sooner or later it will happen, you will have no one to blame but yourself.
Dice there is a really simple way of thinking about this.
Is the convenience you derive from using this macro worth the risk of losing your account, and all the time you put into your characters, forever?
If the answer is yes, then continue to use the macro. It has been explained to you that is is a violation due to what you have it doing. Eventually ArenaNet will ban your account for TOS violations and botting. All the rules-lawyering and justification you can come up with will not help because when it comes down to it, ArenaNet is the sole and final decision maker on what happens to your account.
It has been explained to you that you are OK if ONE keystroke does exactly ONE action. If you get more than one action (and repeating the same action is NOT just one action) you are breaking the TOS you agreed to and the resulting consequences will be upon your own head.
I wish you well in your future endeavors.
I must say I’m confused. If you didn’t want to listen to the advice from the forum-goers, why bother making the thread to ask for help/advice?
I originally posted because I couldn’t find anything relevant to the topic. I’m not looking for advice, I’m looking for fact/documentation. Everyone seem very certain that it’s one click per action but it says:
“Guild Wars 2 players are permitted to use macros as long as the macros are programmed with a 1 key for 1 function protocol.
1. This means that if you program a macro, it must require one keystroke per action. You may not program a single key to perform multiple functions.”
Which is unclear to me because A. They don’t define what an action is and B. they use action interchangeably with function throughout.
I’m not trying to be difficult but I’m not going to stop doing something I find very convenient just because somebody said so. I’m just looking for documentation to back up what you’re saying.
For instance:
Support will not give you an official answer and say it is or is not OK to use. Support has stated this many times in the past, you use any third part app or macro at your own risk. All we can do is tell you what has happened in the past.
Where does it say that third-party macros are to be used at your own risk? Have ppl been banned in the past for exactly what I’m doing?
Thanks
Nevermind I found the disclaimer about the 3rd party apps.
This is interesting as well:
The best way for a player to check whether a specific third-party program could have any impact on another player or a PvP opponent is to ask:
“Does this program allow someone to play faster, better, longer, or more accurately than someone who doesn’t use it?”
“Does this program allow someone to ‘play’ when he/she is not at the computer?”
“Does this program allow the user to gain undeserved rewards?”
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