Guild Wars 2

There’s a bug or hax that allows some to zoom out really far, thus allowing those using arrow carts to see on the other side’s of the wall. Perhaps it’s a side effect of Super Adventure Box. The first picture is of the people on arrow carts at Garrison, it’s Darkhaven, they’re up against the wall. The next pictures are of them hitting things far into the castle, including the cannon on the inner wall. This means the wall offers no protection at all. Now, if this is how you intend things to work, say so. Otherwise some feedback on when a fix for this will be forthcoming would be appreciated. Large groups already have a distinct advantage, there’s no reason to hand them more.

looks like that zoom hack that a lot of people seem to use. It’s not a gamebug.i suggest reporting it to Anet per email.

selan.8354:

looks like that zoom hack that a lot of people seem to use. It’s not a gamebug.i suggest reporting it to Anet per email.

Done.

Its not a zoom hack, its a glitch from the SAB camera, when you leave the SAB your camera gets stuck in zoomed out mode, mesmers in WvW have also been using this to gain line of sight where they should not beable too, restarting the game client fixes the camera issue.

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Its not a zoom hack, its a glitch from the SAB camera, when you leave the SAB your camera gets stuck in zoomed out mode, mesmers in WvW have also been using this to gain line of sight where they should not beable too, restarting the game client fixes the camera issue.

It is not a SaB glitch, as SaB is closed and we just had it happen to us

I enclosed a picture showing an arrow cart hitting our treb from a point they could not hae seen it. I am sorry but it is a hack. There was another case where SoR commander used it at Kolvan standing on the north wall with an arrow cart and some how seeing exactly where our superior AC was ( which was under the supply hut) he pin pointed things he had no way of knowing where they were. Please fix or starting perma banning this, since it greatly affects the out come of Wv3 and for people in T1 that is a big issue to be beating out of a tower or keep becuase of a camera Hack.

I’m on CD and we had a small-ish guild group defending, or at least attempting to defend, Anzailas last night. We had at least 6 different siege up all through the keep, including way in the back, and as soon as SoS rolled up with its ~20-man group everything started getting hit by arrowcarts. The stuff on the walls was easy prey, of course. But the stuff deep in courtyard… the only possible way they were getting hit by arrowcarts (and that’s what it was) was by people using the zoom hack/bug.

The end result wasn’t just that they stormed the tower. After that my group simply said ‘kitten’ it, mapped out, and said to hell with WvW for the rest of the night.

I’ve been trying to get more of my guildies out to participate in WvW, but it’s so difficult to get and keep their interest when they’re dealing with bull like this.

We want to fight. We want tough fights. We want different kinds of fights. But we don’t want fights determined by who can exploit [loosely defined] a bug or hack.

I completely agree with Shoebox’s comments above. This needs to be fixed asap, regardless of the cause.

@shoebox, at the time of the OP which was 20 days ago, it was caused by the SAB camera glitch, it was well documented, and was being widely abused,

Just because SAB is gone, it doesn’t mean the glitch where the camera gets stuck in zoomed out mode goes away, it looks like from your screen shot that with the update to arrow carts, they have used the upgrade feature, turned there camera away from mountain to push the camera high into the sky, as the mountain is a blocking volume,

There are a number of issues with the arrow carts atm, on EBG you can fire the arrow cart into the dredge cave even though you have no line of sight, we got destroyed in that cave because a member of Mag’s was using it against us.

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@shoebox, at the time of the OP which was 20 days ago, it was caused by the SAB camera glitch, it was well documented, and was being widely abused,

Just because SAB is gone, it doesn’t mean the glitch where the camera gets stuck in zoomed out mode goes away, it looks like from your screen shot that with the update to arrow carts, they have used the upgrade feature, turned there camera away from mountain to push the camera high into the sky, as the mountain is a blocking volume,

There are a number of issues with the arrow carts atm, on EBG you can fire the arrow cart into the dredge cave even though you have no line of sight, we got destroyed in that cave because a member of Mag’s was using it against us.

I am sorry the SaB bug can’t still be there… you can’t even get into the place.

Also I have sta at WC and if you put the AC on SW corner inner you can fire into the dredge tube with AC specialty 1.

Also no you can not go to that same spot zoom out and pan your camera any way I tried it before I even made this post. There was no possiable way to get that angle, I tried for 5 minutes non, unless they are using Zoom hack or glitch.

Also I posted it in this thread becuase unlike all the other forum goers I used the search function and this thread played 80% into what I wanted to say, so instead of duplicating and makign a repeat thread I made it on a exsiting thread as per ToS and CoC.

But please stop trying to defend these exploiters and hackers with, " It is the SaB bug" I have had that issue where I came out and I was zoomed WAY WAY out I logged out and back in, my camera was fixed and I couldn’t zoom that far again. So seeing as the SaB has been closed for at least 3 days now, and you can’t even get into the game it is not the SaB bug.

I know a few who use this hack …. Not cool guys

There are actually a lot of ways to get your camera stuck like this. People running Fractals have been reporting this issue for ages, usually it happens when they leave the Jade Maw battle with their view zoomed out still.

If ArenaNet really cared about camera zoom as an exploit, they could just implement the “zoom to normal levels” protocol for players rezoning (the same thing that happens at the end of boss fights, bringing your camera zoom back to normal limits).

As someone who does know computer programming, I can see a hard fix on ANet’s team to work on this. Basically, because the way the system is set up now, if you can target a piece of ground within range of an AC, you can fire to it. People place AC’s in spots where (while zooming) they can see ground that is not visible if viewing as 1st person. So they are able to shoot far distances away without having line of sight. As of now, the arrows rain from the sky, as its natural for arrow carts to behave in this manner. It’s easy enough to program this into the game; if mouse cursor is within radius of the max radius then it’s okay to shoot the arrows. Easy peesy right? This makes zoom exploiting possible, if you can see ground within range then you can shoot to it. I personally think, because Guild Wars 2 has no first person viewpoint, that using AC in this way is a unique way to use AC. I believe the dev team did not think of using AC in this way but its happening.

The fix, naturally, would be to calculate a little trajectory formula for each arrow in the AC and if it hits anything it would just dissapear. Whether this work is done on the client or server I am sure it will give some hiccups for that many tests for each volley of arrows – definitely slowing the game down either client or server side. Adding this would turn off zoom exploiting as the arrows that leave the cart, that are too close to a wall will have no effect and stop moving instead of firing outside the fort.

I wouldn’t vote on this, or the removal of the AC, as it helps defending a keep, even though its used in a different way now. Instead I would argue to add a skill to an AC, or siege weapon that fires in the same way but only works when attacking a keep. The skill would destroy x AC and destroy itself.

TL;DR
The fix for the AC is a skill that can destroy AC inside the keep, not the removal of AC completely. Programming other fixes is hard to implement.

I have seen this Omen guild use this twice now. At best it’s poor play. It needs to be fixed.